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Justin Jett 07-26-2010 07:08 PM

Updated ADA rules posted today
 
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=37553103

KPeveler 07-26-2010 07:16 PM

OK, there was a lot of legal jargon, but my understanding is that a Segway is NOT classified as a wheelchair by the government, but it is called an "other mobility device" or something like that. In addition, the "other wheelchair" designation does NOT get the same access as wheelchairs? Businesses have the right to not allow them in? Can someone translate these for me?

KPeveler 07-26-2010 07:25 PM

Ok, something I read about this said this is an opinion, but not law yet... And that Segways would be allowed where pedestrians are, but that people get to ask whether it is needed for a disability and how it helps with their disability (like with service dogs), and that they can set a speed limit... I bet it is not allowed in ANY line, and it wouldnt have to be, just like they can keep ECVs out of lines if they feel they cannot be safely maneuvered through it and stored at the exit...

This is just going to make things more of a mess...

Justin Jett 07-26-2010 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KPeveler (Post 37553313)
OK, there was a lot of legal jargon, but my understanding is that a Segway is NOT classified as a wheelchair by the government, but it is called an "other mobility device" or something like that. In addition, the "other wheelchair" designation does NOT get the same access as wheelchairs? Businesses have the right to not allow them in? Can someone translate these for me?

The rule adopts a two-tiered approach to mobility devices, drawing distinctions between wheelchairs and "other power-driven mobility devices." "Other power-driven mobility devices" include a range of devices not designed for individuals with mobility impairments, such as the Segway® PT, but which are often used by individuals with disabilities as their mobility device of choice. Wheelchairs (and other devices designed for use by people with mobility impairments) must be permitted in all areas open to pedestrian use. "Other power-driven mobility devices" must be permitted to be used unless the covered entity can demonstrate that such use would fundamentally alter its programs, services, or activities, create a direct threat, or create a safety hazard. The rule also lists factors to consider in making this determination. This approach accommodates both the legitimate business interest in the safe operation of a facility and the growing use of the Segway® PT as a mobility device by returning veterans and others who are using the Segway® PT as their mobility aid of choice.

Basically, if a business is able to prove that the Segway is a hazard, they can deni access.

Justin Jett 07-26-2010 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KPeveler (Post 37553436)
Ok, something I read about this said this is an opinion, but not law yet...

According to the ADA website, these new rules become effective six months from today.

Justin Jett 07-26-2010 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KPeveler (Post 37553313)
Can someone translate these for me?

I have E-Mailed Jack (board name "jcb") for a translation.

KPeveler 07-26-2010 07:36 PM

What this sounds like will happen is that we will end up with a lawsuit about what is "open pedestrian areas." Technically they can claim that disney is not open pedestrian areas because people pay to get in there... and queues are DEFINITELY not open pedestrian areas... I forsee another lawsuit...

Justin Jett 07-26-2010 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KPeveler (Post 37553581)
What this sounds like will happen is that we will end up with a lawsuit about what is "open pedestrian areas." Technically they can claim that disney is not open pedestrian areas because people pay to get in there... and queues are DEFINITELY not open pedestrian areas... I forsee another lawsuit...

Oh yes, unfortunatly, that will most likely happen. However, I will always be very vocal against Segways in theme parks.

KPeveler 07-26-2010 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin Jett (Post 37554123)
Oh yes, unfortunatly, that will most likely happen. However, I will always be very vocal against Segways in theme parks.

Me too! I can just see people saying they need them all the way to the theatre door, and then parking them in the wheelchair spots and sitting in the seats... the first time I see an empty Segway blocking me from making it into a show I was waiting for, I am going to lose it!

Justin Jett 07-26-2010 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KPeveler (Post 37553436)
Ok, something I read about this said this is an opinion, but not law yet.

On July 26, 2010, the Department will publish four advance notices of proposed rulemaking (ANPRMs) in the Federal Register seeking public comment on the topics addressed by these fact sheets. Comments will be accepted for 180 days.

dclfun 07-26-2010 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin Jett (Post 37554123)
Oh yes, unfortunatly, that will most likely happen. However, I will always be very vocal against Segways in theme parks.

I'm with you 100%. I don't think they should be allowed at Disney. I have enough trouble stopping my chair when people dart in front of me, there are often huge crowds with small children, and there is no way for a CM to determine someone's driving ability and whether or not they can operate a Segway safely in such a crowd with unpredictable foot traffic. I can't even imagine someone who might have impaired judgement, vision, etc. possibly driving a Segway that goes up to 12 MPH. What might be good for a few guests who would want to use one is not a good idea for all the other guests in the park.---Kathy

Justin Jett 07-26-2010 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin Jett (Post 37554123)
However, I will always be very vocal against Segways in theme parks.

I posted this in another thread, but it is worth repeating:

It is very important to speak out against this lawsuit, so that Disney knows how much their efforts mean to so many disabled people, even when they may disappoint a very select few.

Life changes as my disability changes. However, the one constant in my life has been Walt Disney World! Walt Disney World remains in my life because of the care and effort Disney puts forth for disabled guests.

http://www.disboards.com/showpost.ph...7&postcount=44

jcb 07-26-2010 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin Jett (Post 37553555)
I have E-Mailed Jack (board name "jcb") for a translation.

Thanks Skip, I think. ;)

This documenthave almost 107,000 words. While it will take a long time to digest the regulations and explanatory materials, I think I can explain the procedures.

This is a "final rule." Some part of this document (see below) will have the same force and effect that any other federal law will have only this "law" (more formally called a "regulation") was not passed by Congress. Congress delegated to the Justice Department the authority to fill in the gaps in the law (the ADA) congress actually passed (in 1990). Like any law, it can be challenged. The most common challenge to a regulation is that it exceeded the agency's authority under the authorizing statute. This can happen but it is rare.

The section that will become law appears after (in this version) the words "PART 36--NONDISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF DISABILITY BY PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS AND IN COMMERCIAL FACILITIES " and before "SECTION-BY-SECTION ANALYSIS AND RESPONSE TO PUBLIC COMMENTS."

It is common for an agency, when issuing a "final rule," to explain why it wrote the regulation the way it did. This is, I think, what the pp referred to as "opinion." It isn't really "opinion" but is it does not have the same legal force as the actual regulation. It is often helpful when attempting to understand the regulation.

Hope this helps.

Justin Jett 07-26-2010 09:46 PM

I am unclear as to whether the new rules were actually adopted today, or just posted for public comment today.

A link to the full text of the "Final Rule" has been added to the thread I started on the podcast board tonight. (Link in original post above)

LOL I wrote this before I saw Jack's post.

Justin Jett 07-26-2010 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jcb (Post 37555238)
Thanks Skip, I think. ;)

Hey Man,

You know I speak from the heart. It's up to you to speak from a law book. :lmao:


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