Just heard rumors on Sorcerer Radio...

See...this is where I always get flak...

I TRY to be fair...I really do...but you can't change the reality of this:

They don't want to give up their free marvel money...they have no clue what to do in Epcot or want to invest...

So they try "next best thing" with guardians.

It's tacky. And how do they justify this simple approach? They convince themselves that if they force guardians on everyone - like in the frikkin tower of terror - then it will become spiderman or xmen.

No...no...NOOOO!!!

...nevermind...I need to go cut grass or something...
LOL! I just can't wrap my mind around how Universal is picking up momentum...and fast. There used to be no competition at all on their end. They were that theme park down the street that was worth a day trip every other Disney visit, but I'll tell you what...They got 3 days worth of my money last year and Disney got 1. I was all up in that Celebration of Harry Potter, and The MK was my day trip. My my how the tides are turning.
 
If anyone does simulator rides, it's universal. The vast majority of their attractions are: sit in car, put on 3D glasses, whirl around and look at screens. Heck, transformers and Spider-Man are even the same ride vehicle. Yes, forbidden journey is a creative ride... Everything else, not so much.

However, I agree while heartedly that Avatar was a knee jerk reaction to missing out on Potter. The true test will be Star Wars land.

Really? that tech is really advanced. I mean you have to admit that Disney doesn't even have it...even if it is repeated, it's worth repeating. They're good rides. I mean seriously, Star Wars is akin to those little spaceship motion simulators that you see at the shopping centers. In fact, it IS one of those things. I can't see building a land around that pitiful thing. I just don't know how much longer I'm going to pay top dollar to sit in front of a big screen and be nausiated. At least Universal is BOTHERING to whirl you through the rooms. lol It is the latest in ride development. The Mummy anyone?
 
Hmmm... Did anyone go see the movie that grossed $775M?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardians_of_the_Galaxy_(film)
yeah but grossing all this money doesn't take so much in a world where movie ticket prices are triple what they used to be. I just don't think you can go by that anymore. That's all people said about Avatar while I sat there scratching my head wondering why I hadn't heard of this movie. Frozen...I get it. I've heard about it and I haven't STOPPED hearing about it. GoG and Avatar? no.
 
Yes Yes Yes!!! If you're gonna do it, do it! Don't stop at just Frozen and have that sticking out like a sore thumb. Pinocchio in Italy and Alice in the UK! I love the Alice ride at DL. There should be a dark ride in each of the countries if you ask me. The diehards shouldn't have an issue, you can either ride them or not...just like the couple that are there now.

Darn right. The movies they show in China, France and Canada currently are a complete zero. Even if they had original, non IP based rides they would keep families in the park a lot longer than they do now, buying snacks and drinks and things.

Even if IP based they don't have to be rides that reprise movies. Mulan and Ratatouille take place in definite countries so why can't they be tour guides or cultural ambassadors ...
 
I don't know the land use area, but couldn't they add dark rides to most of the countries...AND still keep those movies in France, Canada, etc? I mean, I still miss "a land of great diversity" after Maelstrom.

Heck, what the heck do the British, German and Italian pavilions have outside of stores and restaurants? They don't have movies, or even the Japanse/Moroccan exhibitions.
I don't know the land use area, but couldn't they add dark rides to most of the countries...AND still keep those movies in France, Canada, etc? I mean, I still miss "a land of great diversity" after Maelstrom.

Heck, what the heck do the British, German and Italian pavilions have outside of stores and restaurants? They don't have movies, or even the Japanse/Moroccan exhibitions.
 
I don't know the land use area, but couldn't they add dark rides to most of the countries...AND still keep those movies in France, Canada, etc? I mean, I still miss "a land of great diversity" after Maelstrom.

Heck, what the heck do the British, German and Italian pavilions have outside of stores and restaurants? They don't have movies, or even the Japanse/Moroccan exhibitions.
I don't know the land use area, but couldn't they add dark rides to most of the countries...AND still keep those movies in France, Canada, etc? I mean, I still miss "a land of great diversity" after Maelstrom.

Heck, what the heck do the British, German and Italian pavilions have outside of stores and restaurants? They don't have movies, or even the Japanse/Moroccan exhibitions.

Bartender...take this man's key...
 
Many of the Epcot pavilions already have meet and greets with the characters from the countries in which those movies are set. Using any of these as a tie-in is something we educators could technically term an "anticipatory set".

If you are a teacher--think about how you get your students' attention when the topic isn't something too exciting. Let's take the geography of Norway, for example. Norwegian geography may be fascinating to many of us, but imagine you are eight years old. A slide show probably isn't going to cut it, nor is some random PowerPoint you found last minute online. Instead, you have to tie in something the kids actually like and/or can relate to.

How about...a movie that happens to be set there? Let's assume that movie is insanely popular and is one that people have trouble "letting go" of...even if it really doesn't relate a ton to the educational focus? Guess what? You've successfully hooked the kids and can now get on with the actual education, even intertwining something in there from said movie, such as the presence of reindeer and an often chilly climate (even if snow queens aren't the source).

There is a way to maintain an educational focus at Epcot. Perhaps Disney should hire educators to make it into "edutainment". Before anyone goes slamming that concept, think about some successful "edutainment" ventures. How many of you later Gen X-ers know about the Western Expansion as a result of Oregon Trail on an old Apple computer? How many of you learned your prime numbers on Number Munchers? Did anyone attempt to catch Carmen Sandiego, either on a computer or in front of your TV? Today's computer games aren't as good, but those games had a knack of being fun while hammering concepts into your head. Disney used to be that way with some of the Epcot stuff, but if they really insist on using IPs (and they already have been, as mentioned in the first paragraph), why not follow this model?
 
Really? that tech is really advanced. I mean you have to admit that Disney doesn't even have it...even if it is repeated, it's worth repeating. They're good rides. I mean seriously, Star Wars is akin to those little spaceship motion simulators that you see at the shopping centers. In fact, it IS one of those things. I can't see building a land around that pitiful thing. I just don't know how much longer I'm going to pay top dollar to sit in front of a big screen and be nausiated. At least Universal is BOTHERING to whirl you through the rooms. lol It is the latest in ride development. The Mummy anyone?

The "Star Wars" you are referring to is "Star Tours" which opened in 1987 at Disneyland. So yeah, 30 year old tech isn't that exciting. Although Disney did give it a nice update with 3D and randomization of scenes in 2010. Note that Star Wars Land will NOT be "built around" that ride, and Star Tours will likely be re-purposed once SWL opens.

BTW, I do also like the mummy ride. Personally, I think it's better than the Gringotts ride (which is also a hybrid dark ride/coaster). Note that the Grigotts queue is truly amazing.
 
The "Star Wars" you are referring to is "Star Tours" which opened in 1987 at Disneyland. So yeah, 30 year old tech isn't that exciting. Although Disney did give it a nice update with 3D and randomization of scenes in 2010. Note that Star Wars Land will NOT be "built around" that ride, and Star Tours will likely be re-purposed once SWL opens.

BTW, I do also like the mummy ride. Personally, I think it's better than the Gringotts ride (which is also a hybrid dark ride/coaster). Note that the Grigotts queue is truly amazing.
I agree about the Mummy being better than Gringotts. I was personally disappointed in Gringotts as it seems really short and I thought they would out-do Forbidden Journey but they didn't. Not that I don't love it, but I found myself saying, "that's it?"
 
Darn right. The movies they show in China, France and Canada currently are a complete zero. Even if they had original, non IP based rides they would keep families in the park a lot longer than they do now, buying snacks and drinks and things.

Even if IP based they don't have to be rides that reprise movies. Mulan and Ratatouille take place in definite countries so why can't they be tour guides or cultural ambassadors ...
I like your style!!!:worship:
 
Many of the Epcot pavilions already have meet and greets with the characters from the countries in which those movies are set. Using any of these as a tie-in is something we educators could technically term an "anticipatory set".

If you are a teacher--think about how you get your students' attention when the topic isn't something too exciting. Let's take the geography of Norway, for example. Norwegian geography may be fascinating to many of us, but imagine you are eight years old. A slide show probably isn't going to cut it, nor is some random PowerPoint you found last minute online. Instead, you have to tie in something the kids actually like and/or can relate to.

How about...a movie that happens to be set there? Let's assume that movie is insanely popular and is one that people have trouble "letting go" of...even if it really doesn't relate a ton to the educational focus? Guess what? You've successfully hooked the kids and can now get on with the actual education, even intertwining something in there from said movie, such as the presence of reindeer and an often chilly climate (even if snow queens aren't the source).

There is a way to maintain an educational focus at Epcot. Perhaps Disney should hire educators to make it into "edutainment". Before anyone goes slamming that concept, think about some successful "edutainment" ventures. How many of you later Gen X-ers know about the Western Expansion as a result of Oregon Trail on an old Apple computer? How many of you learned your prime numbers on Number Munchers? Did anyone attempt to catch Carmen Sandiego, either on a computer or in front of your TV? Today's computer games aren't as good, but those games had a knack of being fun while hammering concepts into your head. Disney used to be that way with some of the Epcot stuff, but if they really insist on using IPs (and they already have been, as mentioned in the first paragraph), why not follow this model?
That's basically what they USED to do with say Figment etc. You loved the character and got hooked into thinking about how your imagination works. I love it.
 
Bartender...take this man's key...
Let's be clear, I love EPCOT. I never went when I was little, and actually cried 8 years ago when I saw the great big ball during my honeymoon (was like a kid's dream come true). I'm a teacher and a nerd. I've traveled to more than half the countries in the WS and a bunch of others that aren't there. I'm just saying, if we're going to redo/screw around with it, couldn't we add rides without doing damage to several of those countries?

I am serious in terms of wondering what the cultural components are at three of the pavilions besides an outdated telephone booth, a fountain of Neptune, and a single engine miniature train?
 
Yup, I miss the old Figment--an original character created just for "anticipatory sets". It's a shame they can't utilize him better, but I guess kids have moved beyond purple dragons and have become a product of our IP society. Proof of this? Look around the backpack section of any Wal Mart right now. How many of those backpacks have characters on them? Sure, we had IPed lunch boxes in the 80s and 90s--I had a 101 Dalmatians lunch box in kindergarten (Fall 1992)--but it wasn't like today where EVERYTHING has characters on it. Toys are pretty much the same way now (and even some of the classics are sort of IP now that they've starred in three movies with a fourth on the way).
 
I'm sitting here listening and the guy on the radio says that the rumors are that Imagination is making room for Inside Out and that there have been some height testing balloons over Universe of Energy. Anyone know more about these rumors? He also said something that made a lot of sense, he was saying that if they used the Wonders of Life pavilion they way it was intended, wouldn't that be the perfect place for an Inside Out attraction because of Cranium Command? I like that idea and really wish they would re-open or re-imagine that pavilion. I can't say I'd be upset over losing UoE, but I would prefer they just restore Imagination back to the original and stop messing with it. Then again I'm one of those people that would spend all of my money on a Lost Disney theme park. :lovestruc:lovestruc:lovestruc

Those are just more rumors and lies. Ignore them!
 

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