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Not going to be popular, but really, tell me your thoughts

The magic is there, you just have to let it happen.

I agree with this - if you are choose to focus on what you perceive as negative, no, you won't enjoy the experience.

We don't do the dessert parties, we do'nt have kids to do the BBB

We DO make ADR's and FP+ - liek a PP stated - we don't have to run around like a crazy person around the park grabbing FP

To each their own though - enjoy the other places that you are exploring
 
On our last trip we were running late for our reservation at CP for breakfast (didn't allow enough time to travel from the TTC - my fault). We were having awesome interactions with Pooh and the gang and all the while I was stressing over whether we were going to miss our FP window for BTMR. That's when I realized Disney the planning required for Disney is getting to be too stressful and definitely not magical.
 
We are planning our first trip to Universal in February and will take a cruise (not Disney) later in the year. This summer we went to Hawaii (not Aulani) and loved it. We are doing a theme park vacation again next year only because our 9 year old has asked to go to Legoland but Legoland isn't really a multi-day vacation; hence, Universal. Our Universal trip will be much less expensive than the same length trip to WDW would cost us.

I feel there is not enough value at WDW right now to justify the expense. Until they open the new attractions, Hollywood Studios doesn't have enough attractions to make it worth it and neither does Animal Kingdom. Epcot is outdated, although I do like World Showcase but not enough to justify the cost of admission. We are debating if we should visit Magic Kingdom for one day during our Universal trip but we are not sure if it is worth the cost of a one day admission ticket.

WDW feels stale to us I guess. We like new experiences and, for us, that's part of the magic of any vacation. Someone said earlier about watching their kids play tether ball at Fort Wilderness and that being a magical hour for them. I understand that, really I do, but honestly I can have that kind of magic happen in lots of places without spending the kind of money WDW charges. My family can have fun anywhere but when I'm paying as much as WDW charges, I want to be entertained and have a wonderful time IN the parks. That's the bottom line for me.
 
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I agree that it feels more managed than in the past. We don't worry about the prized bog reservation. Walked in a couple of years ago and found it over rated sadly.

It is easy to say just don't plan. But the fact is that because others are you pretty much have to in order to not waste time.

Just sad. I miss the past. Change is what it is. Can't fix it. But the golden days of Disney are past. I feel bad for the people who never got to experience free roaming characters, and walking up to the restaurant you would like to enjoy.
 


We haven't been to Disney since 2009. My oldest DD remembers it and my middle DD has some vague memories. My youngest DD was just a baby and our DS wasn't even born yet.

Planning this time seems very complicated. I've been reading up on the new fast pass system. We aren't doing magic bands (staying off site... way too expensive for our family to stay onsite) and because of work/school schedules we are very limited on when we can go. Early April it will be for us.... IMO, early April is a better choice. Most of New England will have a week-long school vacation starting later in April, and also have vacation or at least a long weekend over Columbus Day (which is also when many colleges have fall break). I would definitely go in early April rather than October.

Yes, TS restaurants are optional.. but if it is something we really want to treat ourselves to and experience, why shouldn't we? But really? Trying to get a reservation FOUR MONTHS in advance?? SIX MONTHS!! 180 days for on-site, off-site, and the general public. Don't miss out!! And having to plan your entire vacation around it?? And planning the Fast Passes a month in advance? That seems a little too much as well! Sure, we could choose to wait in line for an hour or more.. but it will be difficult enough with four children and a husband with some PTSD/anxiety issues... Actually, we haven't had too much trouble with the FP+ at a month, BUT I don't have little kids who MUST do Anna&Elsa or 7DMT. We usually try to "just ride" from park opening until lunch time, then plan our FP+ for the early afternoon, when it's hotter and more crowded. This also gives us the opportunity to schedule more FP+ for the late afternoon/early evening.

In the mean time, I am reading trip reports and suggestions and reviews and following the crowd calendars and the wait times on certain rides on the app so that I can decide which ones to use our fast passes on.. if we can get them.

I know planning can be a royal pain in the butt these days, mostly because you have to do it SO far in advance to get what you want, at decent times. In general, I plan my park days around the "recommended parks" based on historical attendance, avoiding the busiest days for each park. Once I have my days decided, I pick my ADRs (although we have learned that our favorite restaurants aren't necessarily those in the parks anymore!). I pick my FP+ based on what I know will have longest lines, or on what we consider "must-do" attractions. And then, I let it go! It's terrible to feel like you are looking at your watch the whole time you are on vacation, and I've skipped FP+ because of this, but unfortunately if you change your mind about an ADR you'll pay $10pp.

We have gone from visiting Disney 2-3 times a year to visiting Disney every 2-3 years. I think the "magic" has decreased in proportion to the rise in crowd level. Magic used to be everywhere, with things happening spontaneously (or so it seemed). Disney was full of LOTS of little things that made you ask, "Who else DOES this?" For example... AK used to have a morning show outside the gates- 'THe Awakening'- comprised of CMs in bug and animal costumes, dancing the AK awake. Just inside the turnstiles were CMs with small cages full of fascinating/repulsive creatures (reptiles, giant insects and arachnids, etc), ready to talk to kids about the beauty of these creatures. The paths on the trek from the ticket area to the bridge had several CMs posted, to point out the animals hidden alongside and talk about them. Just as DeVine still roams freely, there were African nomads (one character dressed as a person riding a camel) roaming, and monks performing rituals (ok I know they aren't real but the impression was a GOOD one), drum or string bands playing in the plaza in Africa or Asia. Except for DeVine and one drum band outside Tusker House, I think all of these are gone. I can give you similar lists for each park, and one for changes in dining experiences, too. ALL these things were part of your admission ticket. NOW? It feels like a giant rush for the rides... no need for experiences, but it was the experiences that were "free" that set Disney Parks above and beyond the other theme/amusement parks. THAT was the MAGIC... and now quite a bit of it, sadly, seems gone.
 
OP, I hear you. I agree with many of your comments--I really don't like the "upsell" era at WDW. And even though I may disagree a little with some of your other issues (e.g., ADRs at 180 aren't absolutely necessary except for the highest-demand restaurants), it really doesn't matter because that's how you feel.

Ultimately, it's your vacation dollar and you should enjoy where you go. I'd encourage you to look at other destinations and try those out. In the past few years we've been on cruises, gone to Chicago, New Orleans, beach vacations, etc. There's a great big beautiful world out there with lots to see and do, and not every vacation has to be to WDW.

And I'm not saying this with "if you don't like it, don't go" snark--really, trying out some other places may help you appreciate WDW a little more if/when you come back.
 
We just got back from our 5th trip with the kids.

This was our most amazing, memorable trip ever!!!!

Yep, we prebooked ADRs and FPs. And made it to all the ADRS, skipped a FP or two, skipped the Jungle Book show when the weather got ugly.

I think we're only as "managed" as we allow ourselves to be.
 


I just returned from WDW and we had a really, really great time while we were in the parks. We stayed off property in a beautiful Marriott timeshare and enjoyed our vacation. We don't go often as it isn't in our budget. But we save and look forward to it and have fun. I have to say though, even though we had fun, I feel like a little of the magic has dulled at Disney. Don't get me wrong, they do A LOT right. They always have, and always will. But I feel like some things have become so automated--(Pre-Registering for fast passes, no dinner reservations unless you are on the phone 180 days out booking ADR's, bracelets to track and plan your every move, and the push to spend more to have a more personal experience ($50 per person for dessert and a good seat for fireworks, spending $60 to over $200 for bibbidi bobbidi makeup, etc is taking away some of the common joy of just going and enjoying the parks together. And even though we have found May to be a great time of year to go in the past, the crowds were unreal this year, and not very nice! I was run over so many times by either a stroller or hit by one of those motorized scooters, and people would save way more space than they needed for parades, etc and be so territorial about it all, it was kind of disheartening. There's room for everyone! We will go again of course, but I hope I feel a little more magic and a little less "managed" by it all next time. Thoughts?

Agree with all of this. My husband and I used to love Disney and went regularly. Our last couple of trips with the kids just left us sad (and a little angry after the last one). Disney simply doesn't suit the way we travel any more. We aren't planners. Lots of trips we take are last minute decisions (we're about 6 hours from Orlando by car). Our last two trips were for Star Wars Weekends, with a day or two for other parks.

Want to have a sit down dinner? Nope, no reservations available at all, even the "crummy" places are full.

Want to ride a major attraction? Nope, all fast pass' are gone and lines are 1 hour+. So, we either skip them or wait. I may be in the minority, but a 2 hour wait during park day that I paid over $100 for isn't happening.

Want to watch the fireworks, better find a place that isn't reserved for people who've paid additional money.

Want to meet a character? Great, stand in line for 1 hug, 1 picture, then you'd better get moving so the next person can go.

Crowds? Unbelievable, even in the non-SWW parks (I expect it in the Studios)

Cast-members? Stressed, short tempered, overwhelmed,and sometimes downright rude. I stepped to the side during the mass exodus after the fireworks one night because I'd gotten separated from my husband. I knew he was behind me so I moved over to the side with the kids to wait for him. No sooner had our feet started moving than there was a cast member in my face yelling at me to keep moving (i was out of the way by a bench, not blocking the path). On the flip side, on another occasion we were in an area that was so crowded no one could move. Again, cast member in people faces yelling at us to keep moving. I looked at the girl point blank and said "Where exactly to do you expect me to move to? If I could move I wouldn't be standing here."

So, I'm sad to say, we are going elsewhere. I personally love Universal Studios, we can go at the last minute and still be able to eat and do all the rides. The cast members aren't great, but we've had some awesome character interactions there. Including one CM who left my chatterbox of a son absolutely speechless. He was wearing a pirate coin around his neck and when J asked him what it was, he launched into a 5 minute dialogue about his "booty." He had absolutely no way of knowing that it was J's favorite word at the time and was absolutely hysterical (some pirates like to bury their booty, but I don't like my booty to get cold and wet).

Anyway, things change, some people like the changes, some don't. There's plenty of other places to spend our vacation dollars.
 
I'm glad you enjoyed your trip!! WDW has changed in the last few years. We do not like all the planning and the new fastpass system but others feel differently, and that's ok. As our family grows I notice our "wants" have changed. We will always love WDW and will continue to visit but we are discovering other places that seem to fit our family better. I will add we did a short 3 day visit to Disneyland and loved it. It was easy to include a short visit and still enjoy other things, maybe Disneyworld is just too all inclusive for us at this time, if that even makes sense!!
 
Agree with all of this. My husband and I used to love Disney and went regularly. Our last couple of trips with the kids just left us sad (and a little angry after the last one). Disney simply doesn't suit the way we travel any more. We aren't planners. Lots of trips we take are last minute decisions (we're about 6 hours from Orlando by car). Our last two trips were for Star Wars Weekends, with a day or two for other parks.

Want to have a sit down dinner? Nope, no reservations available at all, even the "crummy" places are full.

Want to ride a major attraction? Nope, all fast pass' are gone and lines are 1 hour+. So, we either skip them or wait. I may be in the minority, but a 2 hour wait during park day that I paid over $100 for isn't happening.

Want to watch the fireworks, better find a place that isn't reserved for people who've paid additional money.

Want to meet a character? Great, stand in line for 1 hug, 1 picture, then you'd better get moving so the next person can go.

Crowds? Unbelievable, even in the non-SWW parks (I expect it in the Studios)

Cast-members? Stressed, short tempered, overwhelmed,and sometimes downright rude. I stepped to the side during the mass exodus after the fireworks one night because I'd gotten separated from my husband. I knew he was behind me so I moved over to the side with the kids to wait for him. No sooner had our feet started moving than there was a cast member in my face yelling at me to keep moving (i was out of the way by a bench, not blocking the path). On the flip side, on another occasion we were in an area that was so crowded no one could move. Again, cast member in people faces yelling at us to keep moving. I looked at the girl point blank and said "Where exactly to do you expect me to move to? If I could move I wouldn't be standing here."

So, I'm sad to say, we are going elsewhere. I personally love Universal Studios, we can go at the last minute and still be able to eat and do all the rides. The cast members aren't great, but we've had some awesome character interactions there. Including one CM who left my chatterbox of a son absolutely speechless. He was wearing a pirate coin around his neck and when J asked him what it was, he launched into a 5 minute dialogue about his "booty." He had absolutely no way of knowing that it was J's favorite word at the time and was absolutely hysterical (some pirates like to bury their booty, but I don't like my booty to get cold and wet).

Anyway, things change, some people like the changes, some don't. There's plenty of other places to spend our vacation dollars.

Our best CM interaction last trip was at Universal. My son wanted a Harry Potter wand and was counting out his money. He was short on covering the tax, which I was just going to pay, and them CM winked at me and said no problem. She rang him up with an employee discount and he paid for his wand on his own.
 
"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded." Yogi Berra

I've found this quote to be all too true at WDW, Yellowstone National Park, Kauai - HI, Niagara Falls, Puerto Vallarta, MX, all over the Caribbean's more popular places -- all kinds of my previous favorite vacation spots. In my observations it's not just Disney. // It sort of takes the fun out of some really cool places. I do the early rise stuff, the touring plans, the planning and preparation and that helps, but does get a little old at some point. And OMG -- my favorite National Park - Rocky Mountain National park was the third most visited of the national parks last summer and has visits up 12% this year. We went in August late summer after most were back to school last year and used the park shuttles a lot which worked really well (my favorite trip in a long time), but it's still not the same as the old days.

Trips to iconic places like these can still be fun, but I'm at the point in my life where I am seeking out off season if I can (still somewhat tied to the school schedule, but not quite as much as before) and/or if traveling high season (e.g. I love to escape my lovely, but too hot and humid hometown in July or August and will continue to do so), picking a place that is perhaps a little less iconic and popular (appealing to me and my family, but a bit more off the beaten path). Unfortunately too, some of these kinds of places aren't a great choice for us either as they are too remote or too expensive -- long travel time, expensive flights. And high season for the best weather, the time you want to be some place certainly drives when I go certain places too. It's a trade off / balancing act. I'm still going to travel and try out what seems like it would be most appealing to me and my family based on our budget and current preferences/interests. But my previous favorites have been discovered by more and more people for sure.

It's great that the economy is doing a little better and more people have dollars and time to go on vacation- -but that means more crowds and higher prices. Overseas visits might be down a bit because of the high dollar and that may help with the crowds, but that means less money for the economy and some American businesses.

Like so many of the posters here have astutely pointed out, all that advanced planning stuff and extra stuff was instituted because of crowds (to deal with them better and make the visitor experience more pleasant and/or business opportunities for Disney to make more money with all these additional people who are willing to pay for extras)

Anyway, just wanted to say that I feel your pain.
 
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Re: the roaming characters. Does no one remember the hoardes of parents and kids running towards Mickey as he tried to enter the park? People pushing and shoving to get close? Then every photo you took had a random stranger in it that was trying to get a photo too? I definitely don't miss that.
 
OP I hear you..... I agree about feeling like you have to 'overplan' to really enjoy it now.... While I can see some benefits from the fp+ online thing, I don't really like it much,and I really dislike all the planning etc. It's just too much. I am looking forward to visiting Disneyland,b/c they still do it 'old school':rotfl:
 
Re: the roaming characters. Does no one remember the hoardes of parents and kids running towards Mickey as he tried to enter the park? People pushing and shoving to get close? Then every photo you took had a random stranger in it that was trying to get a photo too? I definitely don't miss that.
I remember being caught in the rain in "America" and Mickey and his friends coming in and dancing and playing with the kids. :)

And I never saw many rush Mickey. Usually a mutual respect and taking turns. :)
 
I hate to give out this secret. The old Disney Magic is still at Disney Land. No magic bands so planning your ride Choices months in advance is not an issue. You don't have to get too worked up about ADRs. There aren't too many higher end restaurants to get fixated about. Last November I was so tickled to eat a walking taco from Cozy Cone. The food in general is superior, varied and different than the repetitive junk available in FL. I also find the test track ride superior themed so beautifully in Carsland. It is stunning. I adore the impromptu dance party in Carsland and the neon light celebration each night.

Two parks is a cinch when you acces California Adventure by walking across a plaza. People in CA stood patiently within inches of one another to watch the fireworks last time I was there. Same at the Colors of Wonder. I've been there twice now and I adore DL. And Downtown Disney is also walkable! And if you want to stay offsite, you can walk!!

But here's the key thing - DL still has impromptu character interactions. My running buddy danced with the chipmunks. They just danced and danced. I was in shock. And wound up taking about 100 photos it was so magical. Then Cruella popped out and heckled everyone for a bit. Next thing you know, she was dancing too! All of this happened with the Fireman Band playing. So this was 7-10 employees counting handlers. I ran into Aurora traveling down a garden path by the castle and watched her interact so adorably with a girl. I realized FL used to be like this, but it is now over-managed.

If you can't swing CA, then I really can only say two words - Harry Potter. Diagon Alley and Hogsmeade are where imagineering has moved to for this point in time. I like to go there in October. The parks close early for Horror stuff which we skip. We rest! We swim! We eat a leisurely meal! We don't stress out trying to pack it all in because it is do-able.
 
This trip I felt that I had to plan so much. ADR's, FP+, which park which day. Then my kids were 15 and 9 and having a teenager made the trip less magical. When they were younger they just did what I said. This trip it was a fight before every single ride or attraction. "Well what's this about. Well I would rather do SM. Why can't we go to Epcot now?" It was so frustrating because I would try to explain that Splash had a 40 minute wait but I have a FP+ for it in an hour. This was the theme of our trip. If we had an ADR at Ohana DS would ask why we couldn't just go to X place instead. It was constant COMPLAINING from my DS. Then when DS starts DD thinks she MUST be missing something and joins in.

I still LOVE Disney but I need to remember my trips will never be like they were when my kids were little. DS says he wants to go again but I don't know if I can handle him there again. I'm thinking Universal may be a better bet for him but he swears he misses WDW everyday.

You hit the nail on the head right there!
Sometimes, they know just enough to be a PITA. Our kids would have had us zig zagging back and forth for no good reason at all. Then ask why I didn't get an ADR to a certain place. Yet no one wants to give any input while I'm planning. They don't feel like waking up early.

We have done a lot of non-Disney trips too so now we're at the point where no one agrees on anything. Our boys are 19 & 16 and just waaay too opinionated about vacations. They are tired of national parks, dh loves national parks but is not into city touring (though he did like San Fran & Boston) or beach-intensive trips such as an all-inclusive on an island. Ds19 won't go with us unless it's some place he's never been before which means he's skipping the 7nt cruise on the Fantasy in August. :crazy2: We've done DCL a lot too but dh and I agreed we really just need a relaxing vacation this year after having a tree fall on our house in March. I don't want to have to think or plan or do anything and DCL is perfect for that. :boat: :drinking1

They are all Disneyed-out (and Universaled-out) so I won't even be suggesting a FL trip unless it's a girls-only with friends/relatives. So after this cruise, I give up. Since they already "know it all":rolleyes:, they can plan their own vacations with their own money. :thumbsup2
Most likely the next time ds16 gets to WDW will be his senior trip, also in 2018.
I told dh if he can find a destination that all 3 of them agree on, I'll book it next year.
 
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We've done so many Disney World Trips (19 family trips) that my Daughter is tired of Disney. My 20 year old still likes it and my husband likes it if he can sleep in and relax by eating at TS restaurants and going back to the room when he's tired of the crowds.

I still love it - I've done alot of solo trips (17 so far) over the past 5 years. There are so many things to do, I seek out something different to do each trip. My trips are usually only 4 or 4 1/2 days though so I'm not there a full week.

We also like Universal and have done Disneyland. We still do long weekend trips at other locations too so we don't feel like we do 100% Disney vacations all the time.

For me the magic is still there.
 
I do not like having to make ADR's at 180 days out either. Planning that far out is not for me. There are a few places that you can get into last minute, but the choices are limited. I miss the days when there were "walk up" tables available.
 
Someone posted a couple of years ago the numbers of Disney visitors 10 years ago vs. now. It was a huge difference.

With the increased numbers, there needs to be crowd control.

This was the first year ever we didn't attend a Disney park. We did go to Universal, but in October, it will be a full year since we have gone to Florida at all. I am not sure when we will go back. It may be a few years. We are starting to get college expenses, kids are busier and can't take off, and the only time we can go now is when crowds are greater.

It is just a new season of life for us.

But things change, prices increase, crowds have increased, and I don't think we have outgrown it, in that we don't WANT to go, it just isn't working for us. I would love to go down there and not battle crowds, but that isn't going to happen.

This year we went to see family and did local things around there for our "vacation."
 
Disney has made it so you can maximize your time in the parks, get on rides and into restaurants with less wait and have more time to spend more money. I get stressed with the planning, but once we are there I find that the more I have planned the less stressed we are. My family likes to wake up and know what we are doing for the day. That's not to say that we don't wander a little bit and check out new things or shop or people watch, but we have a general outline of the day and for us that works best. There are always some times that I leave open spaces in our schedule like an evening to revisit a favorite park or do another trip to Disney Springs, and I find that these are the times that the kids argue and get testy. I liked paper fast passes better, but now that we have adjusted to MB's we like them.

As far as extras, I don't feel the need to do a dessert party to see fireworks, we always get a good spot somewhere. Last year we did a FP for Wishes (awesome, but no longer available) and this year I have one for Illuminations. BBB I did once (the $200+ pkg) for my youngest when she was 4 and it was wonderful but it was a "once in a lifetime" thing. I think you can evaluate the extras and see what works for your family and budget. I want to eventually do a fireworks cruise but it's not in the budget this year so we are not doing it.

My kids are 13, 18 and 21 with no signs of outgrowing Disney anytime soon. I think we are lifers!
 

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