Horrible people and some pixie dust

aussiegirls · Feb 8, 2016

So tonight we were at Mad T Party. Some of the people there were just awful. It's really annoying when AP holders take up all the front, getting in front of everyone, dancing around like they are on a dance floor when everyone else is jammed in like sardines and even standing in front of small kids. It annoys me because these people have seen it so many times that they know all the dance moves, all the words, the set lists and even mouth the words that Dum and Dee say. These people know it back to front but still push and shove to get in front of everyone else to get to the front (FYI, I am not bagging all AP holders but I know there a quite a few like this). Ok, so they have as much right to see it as everyone else, I get that. To me it just seems really rude and, to be honest, I couldn't do things like stand in front of kids who clearly can't see, to see a show I've seen umpteen times. Anyway, that's my vent.

Well tonight we we're next to the women from hell. 2 in particular were just hideous. It was a mother and her teenager daughter (maybe 16 or so). They were pressed up against the front but for some reason had an issue with us who were behind them. Between sets while we were all waiting they kept turning around and giving us the dirtiest looks. At no stage did we do anything to them to make them mad, not even an accidental bump, nothing at all. Then we heard the girl talking to the mother and calling us *****es. At one stage the girl walked out and deliberately shoulder barged my daughter so hard that she cried. It was 100% on purpose. These people were horrible. After the second set we decided to leave - we don't need to put up with that at Disneyland.

As we walked out we walked by the information kiosk and a lovely CM called Kristin saw that my daughter had been crying and asked what was wrong. We just said that there were some not very nice people in T Party. She gave my daughter a big hug and a voucher for her to get herself a snack at one of the snack carts. Was so lovely and turned out night around. I am proud of my girls for not doing anything or saying anything to these horrible women and just trying their best to ignore and I am grateful to Kristin for being so sweet and caring.

P.S. If the woman in question is on here and reading this, just know that you are not a nice human and what's worse is that you are raising your daughter to be the same. Karma always comes back to you!!!

WebmasterMaryJo · Feb 8, 2016

What an awful experience.

I'm sorry that you were subjected to that.

theluckyrabbit · Feb 8, 2016

If something like that happens again, do not hesitate to inform a nearby CM. There is a lot of security at the Tparty to prevent things like this from happening, especially in light of how much alcohol gets consumed.

SMD · Feb 8, 2016

It's just like any club where a DJ or band has a regular set and their fans come every week to see them. Many people have APs to see the Mad T Party DJ or band every weekend because they're fans. If it's important to you to be at the front, get there early and wait for a spot at the front. You don't have any more right to be at the front than someone who got there first even if they've been there 5, 10 or 100 times.

sherilaine · Feb 8, 2016

SMD said:
You don't have any more right to be at the front than someone who got there first even if they've been there 5, 10 or 100 times.

They certainly have a right not to be treated like garbage by some of these people though...which I think was the main point of the post. We will avoid this show if that is what it's like.

Snap Crackle Pop · Feb 8, 2016

I'm sorry you ran into some rude people and I am glad that you were able to get some pixie dust.
However, AP holders have just as much of a right to be there as you do and if they were there before you and other children they have a right to be in front. It sucks children can't see, but there are adults who are short that can't see as well. If you want to get a good spot there you have to get there early.

Vala · Feb 8, 2016

I am one of those annoying AP people who camps out several hours to get a front spot. Due to distance I don't go regularly, but yeah, I can lyp synch Dee and Dum too.

Honestly speaking I find it slightly offensive you are ranting about AP holders taking the front spots. One day last fall I was sitting there in the shade for several hours watching my spot. It was just too hot to move so I decided to devote my time to something I would enjoy later while not dying of heatstroke. Everyone coming to the show later than me did not have to deal with me in front of them at Soaring, Tower of Terror or Big Thunder Mountain. I got my bonus later that night. If you want to get to the front at any concert you will have to devote some time to it. I'm very short myself, I'll rather wait for a while and actually see. I don't mind.

I'm really surprised to read of that attitude towards your daughter though. I am by now way a regular, but the regular people have always been friendly to me. And a lot of the crowd is definitely watching out for kids, letting them in front etc. You should have got security involved, there is always a lot of them there. One bad apple (or in that case a duo) is not at all an indication that the whole crowd is bad.

aussiegirls · Feb 8, 2016

Snap Crackle Pop said:
I'm sorry you ran into some rude people and I am glad that you were able to get some pixie dust.
However, AP holders have just as much of a right to be there as you do and if they were there before you and other children they have a right to be in front. It sucks children can't see, but there are adults who are short that can't see as well. If you want to get a good spot there you have to get there early.

You know what, I actually said in my post that I know they have a right to be there as much as anyone else. I also know though, that sometimes life isn't about what you have a "right" to. Sometimes life is about doing the right thing and being a nice person.

Personally if I had seen something dozens of times I could not live with myself if I was the reason others were not able to experience the same joy that I had, especially small children. This isn't about me anymore this is just generally speaking because my children aren't small, they're teenagers, but there were plenty of small kids there that didn't get to experience it because of the regulars that took all the good viewing spots.

Also, I get that you have to devote time to getting a good spot but some visitors have only a 2 or 3 day pass (again not speaking personally, we have 10) and can't devote a huge percentage of their park time to sitting around waiting for a show that they've never seen and don't even know if they'll enjoy.

So yes, I understand that all people have "rights" but sometimes caring about others is more important than what you are entitled to.

sherilaine · Feb 8, 2016

We used to be AP holders, and we live in another country! Not all AP holders are regulars and not all the people who were likely annoying you were AP holders. I think when it comes to DLR, everyone is a guest. People should be considerate of others guests. There are mean people - some of those mean people are going to go to DLR and they are going to make life miserable for others. You notice them though, they stick right out, they are loud and brazen and bold and nasty - and sometimes in noticing them, we fail to notice 99% of people around us who are considerate, kind and respectable. People who wait for a show ahead of others and enjoy that show once it begins are not stomping on anyones feelings. But the ladies you encounter certainly were. Sometimes we walk away from such experiences and it's hard not to brush the entire crowd with that brush.

That is why it's a good idea to find out about shows ahead of time to know if you will be interested - You Tube can teach one a lot - so you don't waste time on something that really is not worth your effort. However, people who do put in that time are not going to park the waters for others to come through for a great view just because they have never seen it before or are short - that kind of thinking needs to move over to Fantasyland unfortunately.

Hopefully your next experience will be a happy one.

MrInfinity · Feb 8, 2016

aussiegirls said:
So yes, I understand that all people have "rights" but sometimes caring about others is more important than what you are entitled to.

Well, I'm not thinking that they should care to the extent of asking people around them if they've been there before, or have the time to stand there all day because their trip is shorter and if such a person is found, give up their front row spot to those people. They chose to get there early for it because it was important to them. You used your time there to do something else. And you have a 10-day pass, you could easily have camped for a while!

I do feel for you tho... I really dislike the Disney parade / show masses. You'd think people would all line up nicely, but with thousands of people all lining up for the same thing, that's unfortunately just not realistic. Even if you get there early, you need to "defend" your spot or you'll get squeezed out quickly as others attempt to wedge in, then wedge in further, and so on. We actually really liked the Jammin Jungle Parade in the AK because it was so easy to find a front row spot for and sit comfortably! The first showing of the Electrical Lights Parade was a nightmare. And the Feel the Force pkg at DHS was a show you pay to get into the good area for, and it was still uber-competitive to hold on to your front row spot without being squeezed out.

Also agree on the Karma thing...

aussiegirls · Feb 8, 2016

Just to clarify, my gripe isn't with AP holders generally speaking - I have had APs a few times too. It's about the particular ones that I had the misfortune to encounter. But yes, the entire front of the show was filled with AP holders that all knew each other.

PirateBoatDropRide · Feb 8, 2016

I'm sorry you had a very bad experience with some very rude people. No one should treat others like that. And while I agree it may have been nice for those who have seen something numerous times to allow others to see it for the first time, the way your post is written (despite the disclaimer that "not all AP holders are like that,") comes across as many AP holders are terrible people.

I respect your right to vent, but those two unfortunate individuals' attitudes aside, have the right to be in front despite what feels like the nice thing to do. Their behavior as individuals and not AP holders, on the other hand, sounds appalling.

sherilaine · Feb 8, 2016

This thread will just get locked. These type of conversations just don't end well.

cinder-ellah · Feb 8, 2016

So, glad you got some Pixie Dust.
I hope today is sprinkled with some also !

SMD · Feb 8, 2016

aussiegirls said:
I also know though, that sometimes life isn't about what you have a "right" to. Sometimes life is about doing the right thing and being a nice person.

What was the "right thing" here? For the people who got there first to step aside for your daughter? Because they're taller or because you think that they were AP holders and must have other opportunities to see the show? Despite your statement that you know they have a right to see the show, everything else you've said about "AP holders" who were at the front sounds like you feel you were more entitled than them to that view.

aussiegirls said:
Also, I get that you have to devote time to getting a good spot but some visitors have only a 2 or 3 day pass (again not speaking personally, we have 10) and can't devote a huge percentage of their park time to sitting around waiting for a show that they've never seen and don't even know if they'll enjoy.

So the time of someone who chooses to buy a 2 day pass is more valuable than the time of someone who is there for more days? And if the person who can go more often chooses to spend their possibly less valuable time waiting for Mad T Party or some other show, at what point does that outweigh the wants of person with a 2 day pass? If I decided to forgo other activities and buy an annual pass because I enjoy Mad T Party, and I'm willing to commit the time to waititng, I'm not going to ask people how many days they're there and how long they waited and what other attractions they did so this ranking system can decide who gets the spot I spent my time staking out.

This was a second thread yesterday complaining that other guests who waited longer for an experience ruined the time of a DISboarder who expected to get there later and have an equivalent or better experience. What a nice attitude to have towards your fellow guest. In my opinion, it's not the other guests who were the problem.

bumbershoot · Feb 8, 2016

aussiegirls said:
Just to clarify, my gripe isn't with AP holders generally speaking - I have had APs a few times too. It's about the particular ones that I had the misfortune to encounter. But yes, the entire front of the show was filled with AP holders that all knew each other.

I'm currently an AP holder and I felt your initial post was crystal clear and perfectly worded. If someone knows the show by heart they have obviously been there many times and could probably consider not insisting on pushing to get the primo spots. And those are who you are talking about. Not those who line up and wait and are polite, but the rude ones.

aussiegirls · Feb 8, 2016

SMD said:
What was the "right thing" here? For the people who got there first to step aside for your daughter? Because they're taller or because you think that they were AP holders and must have other opportunities to see the show? Despite your statement that you know they have a right to see the show, everything else you've said about "AP holders" who were at the front sounds like you feel you were more entitled than them to that view.
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Actually nowhere in my post does it say that we wanted to be up front or that we had a bad spot, so no I didn't expect anybody to step aside for me and my kids. But, as I did say, my kids are bigger and not small children. We had a decent spot and could see. It was just a shame that we were surrounded by horrible, mean people who clearly felt as though the had some kind ownership of the place and were verbally and physically abusive for no reason (not that there is ever a reason). And yes, these people did stop lots of small children being able to see or being able to have a good viewing spot when they clearly had seen it numerous times and knew the whole thing off by heart.

So yes, like you said, they have the "right" but sometimes rights are just not the nice thing. I have the right to not wear deodorant on a stinking hot day but it's not nice to the people around me so I don't exercise that right.

aussiegirls · Feb 8, 2016

bumbershoot said:
I'm currently an AP holder and I felt your initial post was crystal clear and perfectly worded. If someone knows the show by heart they have obviously been there many times and could probably consider not insisting on pushing to get the primo spots. And those are who you are talking about. Not those who line up and wait and are polite, but the rude ones.

Thankyou, that's exactly what I am saying. Along with the verbally and physically abusive ones hahaha!!!

WebmasterMaryJo · Feb 8, 2016

I'm going to move this to the DL Community Board since it's not about planning.

SMD · Feb 8, 2016

aussiegirls said:
Actually nowhere in my post does it say that we wanted to be up front or that we had a bad spot, so no I didn't expect anybody to step aside for me and my kids. But, as I did say, my kids are bigger and not small children. We had a decent spot and could see. It was just a shame that we were surrounded by horrible, mean people who clearly felt as though the had some kind ownership of the place and were verbally and physically abusive for no reason (not that there is ever a reason). And yes, these people did stop lots of small children being able to see or being able to have a good viewing spot when they clearly had seen it numerous times and knew the whole thing off by heart.

So yes, like you said, they have the "right" but sometimes rights are just not the nice thing. I have the right to not wear deodorant on a stinking hot day but it's not nice to the people around me so I don't exercise that right.

So you were annoyed on behalf of other people that some regulars were up front and knew the words?

"It's really annoying when AP holders take up all the front, getting in front of everyone, dancing around like they are on a dance floor when everyone else is jammed in like sardines and even standing in front of small kids. It annoys me because these people have seen it so many times that they know all the dance moves, all the words, the set lists and even mouth the words that Dum and Dee say."

What if they were former AP holders who couldn't afford passes anymore, but saved for months to pay for 1 day to go see the show. What are there "rights" and what's the "right" thing to do?

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