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Spacedog1975 · Feb 2, 2016

To be clear, I'm not using the adjusted from inflation chart from diminishing TFA's achievement at the box office. It is very difficult to apples-to-apples TFA with Gone with the Wind, which saw an average ticket price of 23¢.

It is absolutely true, also that a film like GWTW had very little competition from outside media, or even from theatrical releases. I cannot find the numbers, but I'm willing to bet you didn't have 3-4 films released on any given weekend. The math is complicated, and there are so many outside factors that you can easily debate the merits of the actual rankings on the list.

As I said, only 2 films from this century have cracked the top 20 - and TFA beats Avatar both in raw numbers and in adjusted numbers.

It stands to reason that this is the last time we'll see any film chase $1B at the domestic box office for a good long while. That day will come - either through inflation or through an event. Probably the former.

twebber55 · Feb 2, 2016

Spacedog1975 said:
To be clear, I'm not using the adjusted from inflation chart from diminishing TFA's achievement at the box office. It is very difficult to apples-to-apples TFA with Gone with the Wind, which saw an average ticket price of 23¢.

It is absolutely true, also that a film like GWTW had very little competition from outside media, or even from theatrical releases. I cannot find the numbers, but I'm willing to bet you didn't have 3-4 films released on any given weekend. The math is complicated, and there are so many outside factors that you can easily debate the merits of the actual rankings on the list.

As I said, only 2 films from this century have cracked the top 20 - and TFA beats Avatar both in raw numbers and in adjusted numbers.

It stands to reason that this is the last time we'll see any film chase $1B at the domestic box office for a good long while. That day will come - either through inflation or through an event. Probably the former.

just a note this list is domestic only

Spacedog1975 · Feb 2, 2016

twebber55 said:
just a note this list is domestic only

Of course. I specified as much in my initial post. As complex and infuriating as it is to try to create any viable domestic by inflation list, an international list would be moreso exponentially. The international market dominance is a relatively new phenomenon, and you're looking at far more currencies and economies. You'd never be able to reasonably compare international results as apples-to-apples.

Aurora0427 · Feb 2, 2016

kbelle8995 said:
To each their own. I didn't find Titanic's love story particularly romantic nor did I care for that movie that much. I think I was too old. I didn't get Leo's appeal

Han and Leia are pretty dang romantic for me. I swooned when Han kissed Leia in The Empire Strikes back. Han (Harrison Ford) was one of my first crushes.

Give me Kate Winslet in Sense and Sensibility over Titanic. Oh Alan Rickman.

What is romantic is different for each of us. Han/Leia was the first couple I rooted for.

You had me at Alan Rickman

rteetz · Feb 5, 2016

Star Wars set to pass $2 Billion tomorrow

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...0-million-today-2-billion-worldwide-tomorrow/

Spacedog1975 · Feb 5, 2016

rteetz said:
Star Wars set to pass $2 Billion tomorrow

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...0-million-today-2-billion-worldwide-tomorrow/

I really would have enjoyed seeing this chase Avatar, but there is no way this can be considered anything other than a phenomenal success. Good for Disney. Good for JJ. Good for Star Wars.

Here's hoping they keep up the great work.

And then...

Spacedog1975 · Feb 5, 2016

... I am heartily annoyed with Disney Home Video.

To return to the Avatar thing - I don't own that film and haven't seen it since it was in the theater. Not because I didn't enjoy it, I did. It wasn't the second coming or anything but it's a fun and gorgeous popcorn flick. I don't own Avatar on blu-ray because the release pattern was terrible. Initially they released 2D only disc with no special features to speak of. 3D was exclusive to (Samsung?) television purchases. Later they released a multi-disc edition with an extended cut and a ton of bonus features. No 3D. Lastly they released a general market 3D release, but with no multi-disc special features nor the extended cut.

I've refused to buy it because they 1) didn't start with the right release and worse 2) never released an end-all-be-all package... Sure that's coming for Avatar 2.

To this I will add - I buy a LOT of movies. Way more than I need. I could probably watch movies I own til the day I die and not loop (or at least not much).

Disney has announced the blu-ray for Star Wars : The Force Awakens. Nice special features but 1) No 3D release and 2) No 4K release.

Looks like (for me) SW:TFA is headed the way of Avatar, and that's a crying shame.

rteetz · Feb 5, 2016

Spacedog1975 said:
Nice special features but 1) No 3D release and 2) No 4K release.

Well, 3D TVs just aren't popular like they were intended to be. We have one and I haven't used the 3D for at least a year. 4K is still relatively new and not many people have 4K TVs yet.

Budshark · Feb 5, 2016

Step back from the cliff a bit.

No one has confirmed there will or will not be a 3D version. The only thing known is that the Blu Ray release April 5th.

Let the process play out before we go on a witch hunt.

Spacedog1975 · Feb 5, 2016

rteetz said:
Well, 3D TVs just aren't popular like they were intended to be. We have one and I haven't used the 3D for at least a year. 4K is still relatively new and not many people have 4K TVs yet.

The 4K bit I get. Disney hasn't actually announced any 4K titles yet, and my future proofing with those tend to be prohibited by the lack of 3D inclusion.
The 3D bit, not at all. Disney has metrics that show that in the US Marvel & Pixar titles sell well enough to warrant 3D (you'll note it on all releases for both brands). They stopped releasing 3D for Disney Animated features after Tangled, so I got my Frozen from the UK (wish I bought 2).

There is little or no doubt in my mind that Star Wars qualifies at a Marvel/Pixar level. They're just holding for a double dip. I **hate** a double dip.

3D popularity, separately, depends upon the quality of the set (most new 4K systems come with excellent 3D by default) and the availability of the content. I will not buy a 2D only edition of a film that came out in 3D. Period.

Budshark · Feb 5, 2016

Spacedog1975 said:
... I am heartily annoyed with Disney Home Video.

To return to the Avatar thing - I don't own that film and haven't seen it since it was in the theater. Not because I didn't enjoy it, I did. It wasn't the second coming or anything but it's a fun and gorgeous popcorn flick. I don't own Avatar on blu-ray because the release pattern was terrible. Initially they released 2D only disc with no special features to speak of. 3D was exclusive to (Samsung?) television purchases. Later they released a multi-disc edition with an extended cut and a ton of bonus features. No 3D. Lastly they released a general market 3D release, but with no multi-disc special features nor the extended cut.

I've refused to buy it because they 1) didn't start with the right release and worse 2) never released an end-all-be-all package... Sure that's coming for Avatar 2.

To this I will add - I buy a LOT of movies. Way more than I need. I could probably watch movies I own til the day I die and not loop (or at least not much).

Disney has announced the blu-ray for Star Wars : The Force Awakens. Nice special features but 1) No 3D release and 2) No 4K release.

Looks like (for me) SW:TFA is headed the way of Avatar, and that's a crying shame.

To be fair. It was over 2 years between Avatar and the 3D Blu-Ray. Let's get in our way back machine...

When the Avatar Blu-Ray released there just wasn't the abundance of 3D and players. Even the PS3 couldn't play 3D Blu Rays when they released Avatar Blu-Ray.

They did enter into an exclusive format distribution for 3D (Panasonic) which in hindsight was a bad move and delayed it even longer. But in 2009/2010 nobody knew what 3D would be. And early adopters tried different things. Avatar was the first big 3D movie if you'll recall.

So yes - it sucked. But you have to go back in time to see why it sucked.

Since then very different right? Marvel movies release day and date Bluray and 3D. So the precedent is actually that we'll see both. Anything other than that would put Disney on a new trajectory.

Spacedog1975 · Feb 5, 2016

Budshark said:
Step back from the cliff a bit.

No one has confirmed there will or will not be a 3D version. The only thing known is that the Blu Ray release April 5th.

Let the process play out before we go on a witch hunt.

You aren't wrong, but all signs are pointing in that direction. By this time the Zavvi release indicates the 3D status and they also are not indicating 3D. The speculation (yes speculation) right now is that it will either be a retailer exclusive or a double dip. The double dip crowd expects it would be double dipped in promotion for Rogue One.

If it comes out in April inclusive, I will certainly buy it. If it doesn't I certainly will not play the double dip game. I'm over it.

Once upon a time, HV divisions listened to feedback, but largely those days have passed.

ColoradoDreamin · Feb 5, 2016

I own over 800 movies, but I would never buy a 3D movie. Personally I don't think 3D at home has or ever will have as much popularity as what you may expect. I think it will be more exclusive to theaters, and even there I don't think it is overwhelming that people want to see it in 3D. People do, no doubt, but I just don't think it is as big as people thought it would be as when it first came out.

Spacedog1975 · Feb 5, 2016

Budshark said:
To be fair. It was over 2 years between Avatar and the 3D Blu-Ray. Let's get in our way back machine...

When the Avatar Blu-Ray released there just wasn't the abundance of 3D and players. Even the PS3 couldn't play 3D Blu Rays when they released Avatar Blu-Ray.

They did enter into an exclusive format distribution for 3D (Panasonic) which in hindsight was a bad move and delayed it even longer. But in 2009/2010 nobody knew what 3D would be. And early adopters tried different things. Avatar was the first big 3D movie if you'll recall.

So yes - it sucked. But you have to go back in time to see why it sucked.

Since then very different right? Marvel movies release day and date Bluray and 3D. So the precedent is actually that we'll see both. Anything other than that would put Disney on a new trajectory.

Also agreed, but that's not where the wind is blowing on this one. In all of those circumstances, a clear 3D release was positioned by now (yes, even in advance of an "official" announcement. These are showing up for retail pre-order now with no such guidance. There is already open speculation on the web about it, which ought to be nipped in the bud if in fact we're wrong.

As an aside, I was speaking to someone at the Disney Animation conversion team last year about the very issue, and he was not aware (and floored) that I was forced to buy titles like Frozen and Maleficent from the UK.

Spacedog1975 · Feb 5, 2016

ColoradoDreamin said:
I own over 800 movies, but I would never buy a 3D movie. Personally I don't think 3D at home has or ever will have as much popularity as what you may expect. I think it will be more exclusive to theaters, and even there I don't think it is overwhelming that people want to see it in 3D. People do, no doubt, but I just don't think it is as big as people thought it would be as when it first came out.

3D is definitely going to be fairly niche at home. BD4K will probably even be more niche. Doesn't mean you don't release it

The market exists.

Personally, I largely enjoy 3D better at home. Fewer convergence issues than most theaters. There is no doubt this has to do with the quality of the TV as well as the quality of the source material.

Eoghann · Feb 5, 2016

Spacedog1975 said:
3D is definitely going to be fairly niche at home. BD4K will probably even be more niche. Doesn't mean you don't release it The market exists.

Personally, I largely enjoy 3D better at home. Fewer convergence issues than most theaters. There is no doubt this has to do with the quality of the TV as well as the quality of the source material.

I'm not convinced that 3D actually added anything to TFA at all (and I did watch it in 3D). However, yes, they're probably going to double/triple dip on this one. And that's not even including the inevitable boxed set collection in 4-5 years time.

This is why I almost exclusively stream now. There are very few movies I really need to own. TFA might qualify, but I'm in no hurry.

Spacedog1975 · Feb 5, 2016

Eoghann said:
I'm not convinced that 3D actually added anything to TFA at all (and I did watch it in 3D). However, yes, they're probably going to double/triple dip on this one. And that's not even including the inevitable boxed set collection in 4-5 years time.

This is why I almost exclusively stream now. There are very few movies I really need to own. TFA might qualify, but I'm in no hurry.

There is a destroyer that hovers over the audience at one point, but I'm much more a fan of added depth than "pop" anyway.

Star Wars has a major history of dipping, and I have a shameful history of dipping right along with them.
"Last ever VHS", Special Edition VHS, Prequel DVDS, DVD Boxed set, Special DVDs with 2nd disc that included the laserdisc version of the unaltered trilogy, blu-ray.

My name is John and I'm a mediaholic.

Eoghann · Feb 5, 2016

Spacedog1975 said:
There is a destroyer that hovers over the audience at one point, but I'm much more a fan of added depth than "pop" anyway.

Star Wars has a major history of dipping, and I have a shameful history of dipping right along with them.
"Last ever VHS", Special Edition VHS, Prequel DVDS, DVD Boxed set, Special DVDs with 2nd disc that included the laserdisc version of the unaltered trilogy, blu-ray.

My name is John and I'm a mediaholic.

While the 3D wasn't bad (unlike the ViewMaster style 3D in the World of Warcraft trailer I saw before the movie) the added depth really did very little for me. Unfortunately from my perspective 3D still comes at the expense of focus in movies.

Budshark · Feb 5, 2016

So... I am all in on 3D... buy it when available, buy from overseas if I have to, curse when its not. I've been through the surge and decline and steady state of 3D.

Here's the deal with it. 3D is the future. More so than anyone wants to admit.

Not 3D in a 70" OLED or 110" projector as people think with glasses. Those are too small and confining.

3D as in 4K+ 3D 360 degree Hololens or VR kinda way. Everyone keeps saying "3D is dead"... and then they experience the direction and go ... "Wow this is so immersive". Its immersive BECAUSE it is 3D in 360 degrees.

3D today is failing for a couple reasons.
- Kids don't like glasses (believe, I know.... my wife and I were the only ones who complained when the animated films stopped being 3d)
- It takes prep work (get the glasses, everyone sit in front, turn off all the lights)
- it takes multiple pieces of hardware (disc, player, TV, glasses)
- Its not THAT different. 20% more immersive ain't that big of a deal

BUT... digital 4K 3D played through Hololens or VR is something different. If you haven't tried it... stop by and try a Samsung VR ... ask them to play a movie. And then realize that is 1080P, playing through a phone, with non-optimized video. Then you'll see and understand.

It goes with the kids today don't want TV or cable... they watch Youtube on phones and tablets. Its a more personal experience to them. So, for the next generation, watching a movie, with immersive VR while talking to friends is the holy grail.

/completely unrelated geekery off

Eoghann · Feb 5, 2016

Budshark said:
It goes with the kids today don't want TV or cable... they watch Youtube on phones and tablets. Its a more personal experience to them. So, for the next generation, watching a movie, with immersive VR while talking to friends is the holy grail.

/completely unrelated geekery off

I'll agree that immersive VR is just around the corner now (one might even argue it's here with Cardboard and Occulus Rift etc.) What I'm not clear on yet is when storytelling and immersive VR will merge. Currently what you get is something that puts you "in the place" or "in the moment" it doesn't really tell a story. The problem is that immersive VR allows you to look anywhere at anytime. Which removes a lot of the tricks that visual (and written) storytellers have always relied on. And they don't yet have a new bag of tricks to pull from.

It may eventually, but computer games are only just now really starting to grasp storytelling sophistication of the sort you see in even the most basic popcorn movie never mind something truly challenging.

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