For the First Time in Forever... I Did Not Enjoy My Vacation to Disney World

minnie-apple-mouse · Nov 27, 2015

Planogirl said:
, it's true that a recession helps the traveler not affected by the recession. That's just simple logic.

Did somebody disagree with this?

It's exactly what we have been saying and agreeing about.

Just some on here atually want that to happen so it does indeed improve their vacation.

Totally have a right to wish that on others, it's a free country. It's just a job, or college tuition fund, or a home, or a life savings after all.
But that week at WDW will much better though.

minnie-apple-mouse said:
why would anyone on here not believe you would want a hard recession to accomplish all of the above? Esp when you said exactly that and proceeded it with "Honestly". You have a perfect right to want that.

Backtracking after to say it would be best for everyone because their trip to WDW would be cheaper/better is ridiculous.

Even if it was believable that everyone taking the hit back home in their day to day lives for years and years, would make the WDW trips better and cheaper-that would have to mean fewer folks (lower crowds) could afford to go or even care about a vacation. Losing a job will save you some money at WDW-yea.

If way less are going (so your enjoyment can increase) how does that equate to better for

minnie-apple-mouse said:
Oh we know exactly where you are coming from, and what the suggested solution would mean for you, WDW, its workers and the rest of America.

It makes complete sense in your world. I have no problem with you suggesting/wanting it.

minnie-apple-mouse said:
If you can say you want a Hard Recession to make things better for you at WDW-I can comment that a Hard Recession would indeed make things better for you-if that's not your world your thinking about-then I apologize.

Oh I think you are right.

A hard recession will bring far fewer visitors so you will have more room to move around, not wait so long all at a cheaper price. Not sure you have thought through the expansion part but the rest would work well for you.

Anybody on here that has read over and over about the exact things you point/ed out. All of which would be cured with a hard recession other than expanding.

minnie-apple-mouse said:
I have no problem with you wanting a hard recession to improve your WDW stays.

Conclusions from that can be drawn by individuals on their own.

minnie-apple-mouse said:
Smply because I questioned/reiterated you wanting a hard recession to make your trips to WDW better?

minnie-apple-mouse said:
It was probably from admitting you want everyone else to suffer financially so you can have a better week at WDW in November.

minnie-apple-mouse said:
That's the point.

A hard recession would eliminate the frivolous unnecessary things first.

WDW trips would be at the top of that list.

Meaning a much more leisurely trip for you and likely better deals as well.

Oh and evil was your word.

amylock · Nov 28, 2015

All I can think of right now is "Let it go....."

minnie-apple-mouse said:
Did somebody disagree with this?

It's exactly what we have been saying and agreeing about.

Just some on here atually want that to happen so it does indeed improve their vacation.

Totally have a right to wish that on others, it's a free country. It's just a job, or college tuition fund, or a home, or a life savings after all.
But that week at WDW will much better though.

lockedoutlogic · Nov 28, 2015

Is this still going on?

I mean...jeez...

What I did was say that recessions performed the functions of economic controls In the 45 year history of walt Disney world...which they did 100%

And that wdw travel is not a necessity for anyone...it's not oxygen, clean water or public sewage...

But keep defending the shield...keep defending the wall/mouse...

As if the first person to get laid off really has the cash to go to Disney much in 99.997% of the cases.

Really tough to afford that $600 ticket and that $545 a night room at Boardwalk...let alone the $36.99 "holiday pricing" for dinner at biergarten when times are rough, isn't it?

briand1023 · Nov 29, 2015

Interesting

Planogirl · Nov 29, 2015

amylock said:
All I can think of right now is "Let it go....."

I agree. I certainly won't be dragged into it.

minnie-apple-mouse · Dec 1, 2015

lockedoutlogic said:
Is this still going on?

I mean...jeez...

What I did was say that recessions performed the functions of economic controls In the 45 year history of walt Disney world...which they did 100%

And that wdw travel is not a necessity for anyone...it's not oxygen, clean water or public sewage...

But keep defending the shield...keep defending the wall/mouse...

As if the first person to get laid off really has the cash to go to Disney much in 99.997% of the cases.

Really tough to afford that $600 ticket and that $545 a night room at Boardwalk...let alone the $36.99 "holiday pricing" for dinner at biergarten when times are rough, isn't it?

Agreed 100%, you did say that - many times.

I have agreed with you every time on what would happen.

Just pointing out that you want that to happen so your vacations improve.

By the way, even a $200 ticket and a $50 room is not affordable if you loose your job from a hard recession like you want.

Which is why fewer people will be in your way.

That's not defending the wall, it's just a fact.

What I won't defend is a stance that says to hard recession victims, we need a hard recession now because you will be better off in the long run, while others can continue with improved vacations now that your out of the picture. Especially ones with kids at the right ages now, not in 3, 5 or 10 years when their back on their feet.

minnie-apple-mouse · Dec 1, 2015

Planogirl said:
I agree. I certainly won't be dragged into it.

That's because you had no response to what I asked.

lockedoutlogic · Dec 1, 2015

Wow...it's still just bleeding hearts for parkhoppers, huh?

The simple truth is that people that can't afford...never get there. It has been that way since day 1.

It's not like they make the place affordable if you "eek by" In the good times.

There's never been much good deeds/charity going on in the incorporated town of lake Buena vista...obvious exceptions apply.

minnie-apple-mouse · Dec 1, 2015

lockedoutlogic said:
Wow...it's still just bleeding hearts for parkhoppers, huh?

The simple truth is that people that can't afford...never get there. It has been that way since day 1.

It's not like they make the place affordable if you "eek by" In the good times.

There's never been much good deeds/charity going on in the incorporated town of lake Buena vista...obvious exceptions apply.

Yes I am supporting the park guests on this one. What's worse, no good deeds or charity from Lake Buena Vista on vacation pricing? Or actually wanting folks to loose jobs, homes and college educations so you can have less competition?

If folks can either afford it or not, why would a hard recession make your trips so much better?

Truth is the pricing of a WDW trip going up is peanuts compared to loosing your home or a job.

You keep trying to diminish the real world affect on folks from a hard recession by comparing it to WDW trip.

They also will not care if WDW brings back year 2000 pricing across the board. They will not be able to afford it.

Candlelady · Dec 1, 2015

Someone needs a little pixie dust.

lockedoutlogic · Dec 1, 2015

minnie-apple-mouse said:
Yes I am supporting the park guests on this one. What's worse, no good deeds or charity from Lake Buena Vista on vacation pricing? Or actually wanting folks to loose jobs, homes and college educations so you can have less competition?

If folks can either afford it or not, why would a hard recession make your trips so much better?

Truth is the pricing of a WDW trip going up is peanuts compared to loosing your home or a job.

You keep trying to diminish the real world affect on folks from a hard recession by comparing it to WDW trip.

They also will not care if WDW brings back year 2000 pricing across the board. They will not be able to afford it.

This is the last time I'm going to go through this...

I never made the equation of wdw travel to real, genuine hardships and struggles. In fact quite the opposite. Travel is largely frivolity...in most cases.

Now you can go through and post 16 different quotes (what is that, by the way?) and try to gotcha...but it's not there...if it's being interpreted that way - it is an incorrect interpretation.

How would a recession help the traveler?

Pretty simple...declining attendance and revenue would freeze the prices/increase promotions/ and thin out crowds.

How would that manifest? The MAJORITY of that reduction would come from people not going as frequently or delaying...by months or years.

That is YOU and ME.
So I'm really sitting in a glass house, huh?

If you want to grasp on the outliers...and there always are some...feel free. But that isn't were the truth is made.

Feliz Navidad.

minnie-apple-mouse · Dec 1, 2015

lockedoutlogic said:
Now you can go through and post 16 different quotes (what is that, by the way?) .

I think you are referring to the 16 times I agreed with you on the effect of a hard recession on WDW travel, when Planogirl said the exact same thing.

minnie-apple-mouse · Dec 1, 2015

lockedoutlogic said:
I never made the equation of wdw travel to real, genuine hardships and struggles. In fact quite the opposite. Travel is largely frivolity...in most cases.

Now you can go through and post 16 different quotes (what is that, by the way?) and try to gotcha...but it's not there...if it's being interpreted that way - it is an incorrect interpretation.

How would a recession help the traveler?

Pretty simple...declining attendance and revenue would freeze the prices/increase promotions/ and thin out crowds.

How would that manifest? The MAJORITY of that reduction would come from people not going as frequently or delaying...by months or years.

That is YOU and ME.
So I'm really sitting in a glass house, huh?

If you want to grasp on the outliers...and there always are some...feel free. But that isn't were the truth is made.

Feliz Navidad.

And I will go through this again as well.

I have always agreed with you that fewer folks will travel if a hard recession hits-so stop explaining that.

You WANT that to happen for that reason.

End of story.

The evidence is below.

You swore the bigger issue was there are very few low crowd times.

loveshak22 agreed and added there is no slow season

You followed with

Honestly...we need a good old fashioned, hard recession...because nobody is saying "no" right now.

So I agree with the results you want, I just don't WANT a hard recession because of a trivial WDW trip, like you said you do.

lockedoutlogic said:
But I swear the bigger issue is that there are very few "low crowd" times now. There is no time on the calendar when there is releif..

loveshak22 said:
This is our exact experience and what I think a lot of people are upset about when they complain about crowds. Summer and holidays were always crowded...30 years ago until today. But, for people who have the flexibility to travel during the 'slow' season...there is no slow season.

Disney has done an amazing job filling up every week and month with large crowds and that's what makes it ridiculous for those of us who used to go at the end of January and see little to no crowds but now are seeing giant tour groups making waits 75 minutes or longer..

lockedoutlogic said:
Honestly...we need a good old fashioned, hard recession...because nobody is saying "no" right now.

It makes the place not worth it in my opinion. Because you shoudnt have to wait 40 for 90% of what they offer

lockedoutlogic · Dec 1, 2015

Definition of insanity time around here

Joyeux Noel

minnie-apple-mouse · Dec 1, 2015

lockedoutlogic said:
Definition of insanity time around here

Joyeux Noel

What is insane?

You wanting a hard recession to thin the crowds, but saying it won't affect anything but WDW trips?

Yes, that is insane.

lockedoutlogic · Dec 1, 2015

Or the false analogies, reaches, or stretch equivalencies...

Frohlich Weinacht

minnie-apple-mouse · Dec 1, 2015

With all of your replies you have never said you do not want a hard recession. You have actually doubled down and tried time and again to justify how a hard recession is better for everyone.

So you still want a hard recession. That's is not false, or a stretch.

Even a 6th grader knows that a Hard recession will negatively affect more than just WDW trips.

VegasMike · Dec 1, 2015

This thread has seemed to have gone off the rails with the OP topic.

delmarjohn · Dec 4, 2015

I just had a very long conversation with whatever they are calling it today guest relations...assistance whatever......I related to them that PLANNING a WDW vacation is a lot of work....I believe when people refer to the spontaneity they are referring to many things last minute trip ....almost impossible not only for FP'S and dining reservations....even long term planning the 180 day window for ADR'Sthe fast pass window (30-60 days etc)the park tickets in advance requirement....( no tickets or AP"S no 60 day window for fast pass PLUS).....but see when you make ADR that affects that days scheduling 180 days out.....I related to them the stress of doing it and trying to plan a fun and relaxing vacation....and yes in unison you know the corporate answer was......blah blah blah

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