Finally making the transition from cabin to campsite! Time to buy a camper!

The only word that came to my mouth was "wow."
And I'm guessing you meant it differently than the salesman thought. :D

I will say this....out of the 5 salespeople we've spoken with, there was nothing negative about Jayco. All had positives to say.
Jayco makes a quality trailer. The only problem I have is the dealers around me think they have gold. I can find a comparable trailer for 10-20% less than the Jayco.

j
 
You're full of quality info :thumbsup2 The hubby will appreciate this for sure. He can interpret for me when he gets home ;) We have a F350 diesel, so we have to find a trailer that works for that since we won't be purchasing another truck.
You are right. Lots of good info.

Here is my 2 cents about the truck. All trucks come with a rating of what they can tow. Make sure you know what your truck is capable of before you shop for your camper. The closer you get to the rating, the more difficult it will be to tow. I don't suggest towing at a "Rated" capacity if you can at all help it. You will find issues like fuel economy and sway will play into it not to mention slower towing up hills (and potentially harder braking going down hill.)

When looking at the towing ratings remember there are a couple of different ratings. Tongue weight, Gross vehicle weight, Gross Axle weight, combined weight, etc... With the camper, the weights are often given as Dry and gross. Dry is (typically) as you get it from the dealer without any luggage, food, waste or water. I also don't think it includes things like the weight of the LP gas, so keep all that in mind. You should probably look at the max (gross) weights to determine worst case. (If max gross weight of the trailer is 10000# and you can only tow 9500#, you could have issues.) The dually may or may not be a factor. Certainly it will make towing, in many ways, easier, but the trade offs (as others have mentioned) might not be worth it.

We have a Coachman Capri 27TBS TT with one slide. It has worked well but we are ready to get a little larger. I want a 5er but finding one with a bunkhouse that we like (and can reasonably afford) is proving difficult. We pull our TT with an F250 (Gas not Diesel) and it pulls it fine. I used to use a F150 and it did well, but the F250 is much nicer. Is it needed? No, but it is nicer. Better MPG when towing and absolutely no struggle, however, Higher maintenance costs, registration costs, insurance, truck payment, etc... I could do without.

I suggest if you already have the F350, find it's limits and stay (ideally) 10 to 20% below the limits and you won't be disappointed, whether it's a TT or 5er.

Happy Camper Hunting. :)
 
Welcome to the other side of the camping life, (the roughing it smoothly side)!

Everyone has had great things to say so far, and it's all right! We have 2014 Sandpiper 376BHOK, it's 43 ft long with four slides, it weighs in loaded around 14k. We love it. My TV is a 08 F-450, which is over kill mostly but I scored a good deal on it at the time. Loaded out with a full tank of fresh water, two tanks of diesel our rig weights a little over 26k. My last rig was a 2002 Cardinal 28 ft fifthwheel and a 2002 F-250.
My first camper was a 26ft Trail Bay TT and I pulled it with a 2001 F 150 with no problems, after owning both types I could not go back to a bumper pull trailer. A fifthwheel just tows and handles so much better.

As for a Dually, it's a matter of personal opinion. The two extra wheels makes a difference in more ways than one, While towing it feels more stable and I feel more in control, and less stressful. On the other hand, I just paid $1475 for the 4 rear tire for my truck, parking doesn't bother me as much as others. I have always parked away from the crowd, I cant go through any drive thrus' at my bank, that's about my biggest problem with it. One other thing I didn't know until I bought my F450, I had to get an commercial insurance policy, anything over a one ton (350/3500)
it's only $20 different but it's on its own policy and therefore I can't get a multi car discount with it and my wife's car.

My two cents would be do the math and crunch your own numbers on what the truck can pull, don't let car dealers talk you into something that won't do the job, you'll pay for it in the end. Have some plenty of play room between what your campers loaded weight is and what the max weight your truck can tow. The main thing is you that you want to enjoy camping, nothing should be stressful, especially towing, getting there is half the fun right? There is nothing worse than being stressed out driving, worrying about that 18 wheeler that coming up behind you, hoping he don't push you off the road. Been there done that, got the t shirt! I enjoy the drive just as much as the place where headed to, I feel comfortable and relaxed towing. My only worry is not getting carried away and not getting another speeding ticket.
 
:thumbsup2 You might regret giving me free rein to ask questions :teeth:





:rotfl:TRUE! One guy we encountered literally beat on the walls of an Evergreen Element to demonstrate how strong they were compared to other campers saying "can't penetrate these babies! No sir!!" It was something stratight out of a John Candy movie. The only word that came to my mouth was "wow." popcorn::



I will say this....out of the 5 salespeople we've spoken with, there was nothing negative about Jayco. All had positives to say. Makes one think, ya know.





WOW what a drive!! Canada to Florida! You must have been going to Ocala, FL for horses...tons of them there.

My hubby and kids would tent camp in a heartbeat, however I'm not that brave, yet. DH is taking the boys over Spring Break while my daughter and I take a short cruise on the Magic.

If it were only 2 of us - or even 3 - we could definitely go smaller. My parents have actually been looking for a camper, too, around 20 feet or so. The one they like is a Flagstaff Micro Lite (Forest River). And I think you're right about the different companies...kinda llike Chevy vs. Ford....a bit subjective.

Lol, yep it was Ocala!

And yeah, you will most definitely be glad to have the extra space with the whole family!
 


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Not much to add to everything here except about get what you want. I have had mine for 2 seasons...it works well enough, but with 4 of us, I would love more space! Also, I was trying to pack a lot into a small package...wanted bunks, kitchen table, couch, and bed all in smallest package (in this case right around 26 feet). With slide out and murphy bed, I was able to get it. However, the bunk beds are only 26" wide, and with 4 of us, the floor space can still get crowded. Won't be terribly long before the kids are too big to be comfortable in the bunks. On the plus side, that means new camper someday!

Like I said, works fine right now (and actually, I did a lot of searching to find all of this in a short and light package to work with my particular Tahoe), but I look forward to someday upgrading back to pick up and perhaps the 5th wheel! Good luck with search! Enjoy! I'm headed to Hartford CT RV show in January (just to look because kids love it)!
 
I agree with all the good advice so far. I recently just moved up to a Fifth Wheel. The difference is awesome. I now love my camper. I procrastinated for 4 months over my truck being able to handle it. I own a Ford F150 with the Triton 5.4 V8. I purchased an Open Range 315BHS. The camper tows great with no sway. Do your research on the truck's capabilities then see if the camper you like fits into those parameters. I'm sure if you stay under 36 feet you will be fine with the single wheels. Below is mine just arrived at the Fort last month.
 


I loved my outside kitchen. i had extra frig ,sink drained into the grey tank, microwave, nice cabinet, and a pull out cooktop. It was a rock wood with 3 bunks. We now have a 5th wheel WildCat. Nice & roomy, with fireplace. i do miss that wonderful outside kitchen! I agree with everyone - go to a RV show. Good luck! PS I wish our RV did not have so much carpet. We have 2 four legged kids & no carpet would make my life easier.
 
Going to an RV show!!!! :yay: We'll be heading to Tampa in January for the Florida Super Show. Several of you mentioned checking out one of these before making a purchase, so we're gonna take your advice. Hopefully it's one of the better shows.



And I'm guessing you meant it differently than the salesman thought. :D

Absolutely...

Jayco makes a quality trailer. The only problem I have is the dealers around me think they have gold. I can find a comparable trailer for 10-20% less than the Jayco.

Hmmmm.... :scratchin That's food for thought.


You are right. Lots of good info.

Here is my 2 cents about the truck. All trucks come with a rating of what they can tow. Make sure you know what your truck is capable of before you shop for your camper. The closer you get to the rating, the more difficult it will be to tow. I don't suggest towing at a "Rated" capacity if you can at all help it. You will find issues like fuel economy and sway will play into it not to mention slower towing up hills (and potentially harder braking going down hill.)

When looking at the towing ratings remember there are a couple of different ratings. Tongue weight, Gross vehicle weight, Gross Axle weight, combined weight, etc... With the camper, the weights are often given as Dry and gross. Dry is (typically) as you get it from the dealer without any luggage, food, waste or water. I also don't think it includes things like the weight of the LP gas, so keep all that in mind. You should probably look at the max (gross) weights to determine worst case. (If max gross weight of the trailer is 10000# and you can only tow 9500#, you could have issues.) The dually may or may not be a factor. Certainly it will make towing, in many ways, easier, but the trade offs (as others have mentioned) might not be worth it.

We have a Coachman Capri 27TBS TT with one slide. It has worked well but we are ready to get a little larger. I want a 5er but finding one with a bunkhouse that we like (and can reasonably afford) is proving difficult. We pull our TT with an F250 (Gas not Diesel) and it pulls it fine. I used to use a F150 and it did well, but the F250 is much nicer. Is it needed? No, but it is nicer. Better MPG when towing and absolutely no struggle, however, Higher maintenance costs, registration costs, insurance, truck payment, etc... I could do without.

I suggest if you already have the F350, find it's limits and stay (ideally) 10 to 20% below the limits and you won't be disappointed, whether it's a TT or 5er.

Happy Camper Hunting. :)

The hubby says thanks a million for the info! And like you, I have this feeling we'll need more space if we purchase a TT.



Welcome to the other side of the camping life, (the roughing it smoothly side)!

Everyone has had great things to say so far, and it's all right! We have 2014 Sandpiper 376BHOK, it's 43 ft long with four slides, it weighs in loaded around 14k. We love it. My TV is a 08 F-450, which is over kill mostly but I scored a good deal on it at the time. Loaded out with a full tank of fresh water, two tanks of diesel our rig weights a little over 26k. My last rig was a 2002 Cardinal 28 ft fifthwheel and a 2002 F-250.
My first camper was a 26ft Trail Bay TT and I pulled it with a 2001 F 150 with no problems, after owning both types I could not go back to a bumper pull trailer. A fifthwheel just tows and handles so much better.

As for a Dually, it's a matter of personal opinion. The two extra wheels makes a difference in more ways than one, While towing it feels more stable and I feel more in control, and less stressful. On the other hand, I just paid $1475 for the 4 rear tire for my truck, parking doesn't bother me as much as others. I have always parked away from the crowd, I cant go through any drive thrus' at my bank, that's about my biggest problem with it. One other thing I didn't know until I bought my F450, I had to get an commercial insurance policy, anything over a one ton (350/3500)
it's only $20 different but it's on its own policy and therefore I can't get a multi car discount with it and my wife's car.

My two cents would be do the math and crunch your own numbers on what the truck can pull, don't let car dealers talk you into something that won't do the job, you'll pay for it in the end. Have some plenty of play room between what your campers loaded weight is and what the max weight your truck can tow. The main thing is you that you want to enjoy camping, nothing should be stressful, especially towing, getting there is half the fun right? There is nothing worse than being stressed out driving, worrying about that 18 wheeler that coming up behind you, hoping he don't push you off the road. Been there done that, got the t shirt! I enjoy the drive just as much as the place where headed to, I feel comfortable and relaxed towing. My only worry is not getting carried away and not getting another speeding ticket.

DH loves all the truck talk! He's a DisBoard lurker, and reads every word on these camping threads. By the way, IF I could have the camper I wanted, it would be the Sandpiper (your setup) or the Montana. Unfortuanely, I think our truck might not be able to handle it safely.



Not much to add to everything here except about get what you want. I have had mine for 2 seasons...it works well enough, but with 4 of us, I would love more space! Also, I was trying to pack a lot into a small package...wanted bunks, kitchen table, couch, and bed all in smallest package (in this case right around 26 feet). With slide out and murphy bed, I was able to get it. However, the bunk beds are only 26" wide, and with 4 of us, the floor space can still get crowded. Won't be terribly long before the kids are too big to be comfortable in the bunks. On the plus side, that means new camper someday!

Like I said, works fine right now (and actually, I did a lot of searching to find all of this in a short and light package to work with my particular Tahoe), but I look forward to someday upgrading back to pick up and perhaps the 5th wheel! Good luck with search! Enjoy! I'm headed to Hartford CT RV show in January (just to look because kids love it)!

Enjoy the show! My sister lives in CT. I'm trying to talk her and her husband into a buying a camper so we could do family vacations together. I think it would be great fun....they aren't convinced :confused3 ;)




I agree with all the good advice so far. I recently just moved up to a Fifth Wheel. The difference is awesome. I now love my camper. I procrastinated for 4 months over my truck being able to handle it. I own a Ford F150 with the Triton 5.4 V8. I purchased an Open Range 315BHS. The camper tows great with no sway. Do your research on the truck's capabilities then see if the camper you like fits into those parameters. I'm sure if you stay under 36 feet you will be fine with the single wheels. Below is mine just arrived at the Fort last month.

Nice!! After you posted this pic, we looked online at those. I couldn't find one that had an outdoor kitchen. Maybe I didn't look in the right place. Do you happen to know off the top of your head if they offer this option?



I loved my outside kitchen. i had extra frig ,sink drained into the grey tank, microwave, nice cabinet, and a pull out cooktop. It was a rock wood with 3 bunks. We now have a 5th wheel WildCat. Nice & roomy, with fireplace. i do miss that wonderful outside kitchen! I agree with everyone - go to a RV show. Good luck! PS I wish our RV did not have so much carpet. We have 2 four legged kids & no carpet would make my life easier.

An outdoor kitchen is fairly important to us. Not a deal breaker, but it's high on the priority list. We have pets, too, so carpet may not be the best option for us either.
 
hstrickland, glad we could be of help! Tell your husband to stop be a lurker and start chatting. I know several of us here on the board are truck guys, and we'll talk all about trucks all day. Right now I'm trying to talk Tiggerdad into tuning his truck and bring the 6.7 Powerstroke to life to handle that new 5er his wife is looking at! Haha!
 
Search for an Open Range 305BHS. We almost bought that model. It has the outside kitchen. You just lose floor space in the rear bedroom with the bunk setup. That's the only real difference.
 
Speaking of trucks. Now that I made the commitment to go to the Fort more since we bought our annual passes I am looking for a reasonably priced Diesel. Would prefer the single wheel Cummings Dodge 3500 but may have to settle for a Ford F250 Powerstroke for now.
 
Search for an Open Range 305BHS. We almost bought that model. It has the outside kitchen. You just lose floor space in the rear bedroom with the bunk setup. That's the only real difference.

He's absolutely right, the lost space with most of the outdoor kitchens is negligible as far as I'm concerned.

but may have to settle for a Ford F250 Powerstroke for now.

Settling? It has more than enough, I promise. Put you a reserve tank in the back and rock on...
 
Congrats on finally crossing over! Click on the avatar, 2014 Keystone Cougar, 35 ft. Truck is a chevy 2500 duramax. Pulls just great. Made 2 trips from Nebraska to the Fort with no problems whatsoever. I'll agree about going to RV show, we spent many days looking at campers at our local dealer trying to decide what layout we like. DW said if she could combine our last 3 campers, kitchen in one, living room in this one, and bedroom in another, it would be the perfect camper. My DS just bought a 34' cougar taildragger this spring with bunk beds, nice layout, at the time he didn't have a truck to pull a 5er. We wanted the extra living space at the back since it's just the 2 of us now. Look at all kinds and pick something you really like, you can always upgrade later. Again, :welcome:to the camping family!
 
Wow. So many comments, so little time. :-)
Tell your husband to stop be a lurker and start chatting. I know several of us here on the board are truck guys, and we'll talk all about trucks all day.
We may need to start our own forum for "Truck Talk", but we can certainly go on and on about them.

Right now I'm trying to talk Tiggerdad into tuning his truck and bring the 6.7 Powerstroke to life to handle that new 5er his wife is looking at! Haha!
What's wrong with the 6.7? I did a lot of mods to my old 7.3, but that just got it to the stock levels of this 6.7. Even towing 20,000+ lbs, I rarely felt like I really needed more.

Would prefer the single wheel Cummings Dodge 3500 but may have to settle for a Ford F250 Powerstroke for now.
The Dodges probably do have one of the better engines and I think they finally have the transmission issues settled, but you are stuck with a Dodge cab to sit on the thing. I don't think I could stand all the squeaking and rattling. (And I grew up racing Mopars)

DW said if she could combine our last 3 campers, kitchen in one, living room in this one, and bedroom in another, it would be the perfect camper.
This is the same dilemma I am having. I need a space for DS, but I want more living room/kitchen space. I've been looking at the mid-bunk models since last year. They have a bunk room between the front bedroom and the main living space. Most mid line (and some entry level) manufacturers are coming out with them. I have a spreadsheet started trying to see who has one and who doesn't. Some have lofts above the bunk room to add even more living space. They seem to be the best of both worlds, but they are big. 38-42 ft, depending on model. I'm trying to justify replacing my completely fine traditional bunk house that is nearly paid off for another 10 years of payments. Trying to do the math and rationalize it. The RV shows this January may help me decide.

j
 
I found a 2007 Ford F250 Extended Cab Diesel for sale locally. I can probably trade up with a little cash and still avoid payments. Not sure of the engine or transmission. I really don't need the diesel unless I want to load heavy and do more travelling. My F150 has pulled just fine so far except it only gets 7-8 mpg.
 
I found a 2007 Ford F250 Extended Cab Diesel for sale locally. I can probably trade up with a little cash and still avoid payments. Not sure of the engine or transmission.
The 07 was the last year of the 6.0 (pre DPF/emissions) Powerstrokes. The earlier years had injector issues that typically popped up by 75,000 miles. If it has over 75k on the odometer, it has either been fixed or won't have the issues. By the 07 models, most of that was resolved anyway. The rest of the drive train and truck is as reliable as any other F-series truck.

And you may say you don't need a diesel until you have one. :-) Just the fuel mileage over a gasser is worth it to me. Now, if the price of diesel would go back below gas, then the math would really work out.

j
 
Thanks for the information. This one has around 130,000. So that should be good. I agree on diesel prices.
 
I found a 2007 Ford F250 Extended Cab Diesel for sale locally. I can probably trade up with a little cash and still avoid payments. Not sure of the engine or transmission. I really don't need the diesel unless I want to load heavy and do more travelling. My F150 has pulled just fine so far except it only gets 7-8 mpg.

7-8 miles a gallon is why we went diesel. Duramax with Allison transmission.
 
I found a 2007 Ford F250 Extended Cab Diesel for sale locally. I can probably trade up with a little cash and still avoid payments. Not sure of the engine or transmission. I really don't need the diesel unless I want to load heavy and do more travelling. My F150 has pulled just fine so far except it only gets 7-8 mpg.

and will also be happy if diesel went below the price of gas.
 

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