Closing Jan '16 should we have to pay 2015 dues?

mrsjoannh13

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We are considering a resale purchase at BLT which has points rolling over from 2015 that we can use in 2016. It's my understanding the buyer would have paid 2015 maintenance fees / dues in January 2015. They are asking as part of the sale for the buyer to pay maintenance fees on their unused points which we will receive in 2016. I'm just wondering if this is typical (paying fees on rollover points) or if this is something we can negotiate away?
 
everything is negotiable. we did NOT pay for the previous years points in one of our deals and did on the other
 
We paid 2015 fees but we got points from 2014 & all of 2015 that we did not pay fees on, it's what are you willing to pay there are lots of contracts to choose from at the minute.
 
We are considering a resale purchase at BLT which has points rolling over from 2015 that we can use in 2016. It's my understanding the buyer would have paid 2015 maintenance fees / dues in January 2015. They are asking as part of the sale for the buyer to pay maintenance fees on their unused points which we will receive in 2016. I'm just wondering if this is typical (paying fees on rollover points) or if this is something we can negotiate away?

What use year and how many 2015 points out of the total?
 
It's a little unclear. Are you being asked to reimburse for dues on the 2015 points or are you being asked to pay the 2016 dues as part of the transaction? Having resell buyers pay the next year dues when purchasing very late in the calendar year has become normal in the past few years.
 
What use year and how many 2015 points out of the total?
I agree with DebbieB -- we need to know the UY and exactly how many points from each UY you would be getting with this contract.

Dues are paid on a calendar year basis so you have to look at how the calendar year overlaps the UY in question. For example, with a February UY, the 2015 dues covers the last month of the Feb 2014 UY and the first 11 months of the Feb 2015 UY. So if the contract is a Feb UY with all 2015 points banked into the Feb 2016 UY, then it's reasonable to ask for most of the 2015 dues to be reimbursed.

The opposite extreme is a Dec UY where the 2015 dues covers the last 11 months of the Dec 2014 UY and the first month of the Dec 2015 UY. So if your contract is a Dec UY contract with the same situation (no Dec 2014 pts, all Dec 2015 pts available) then it's not reasonable to ask for more than a month's worth of 2015 dues to be reimbursed.
 
It really depends and is negotiable. I recently bought a resale and am in the process of buying a second. . With the first I got about 1/2 of 2015 points and didn't pay the maintenance fees with the second it had all points available and I am reimbursing the seller. They both have a September UY.

My original offer for the second contract didn't include 2015 fees. But they had multiple offers and I was happy with the price and having a hard time finding a small contract with a September UY so I changed my offer. If I was more patient I probably could have waited and bought a contract without paying 2015 fees.
 
For a resale, the usual default position if no one says anything about it is for the buyer to pay the proportion of dues for the calendar year running from date of closing to end of year, even though seller may have already paid thru the year. However, you can find sellers who will want you to pay more if they still have a full load of annual points in the current use year, and you can also find sellers who want to do that even if they have already used all such points. Personally, even with a full load of points, i would not pay more than the proportional calendar share. Dues are based on a calendar year not use year, and if the seller has a full load of points, he can factor that into the asking price per point not the dues.

OP you should contact the broker and find out exactly what the broker thinks is going to happen with the dues. Closing in January creates an issue that requires you to seek clarification. In January, all dues for 2016 will be due and shown as due at time of closing. Someone will have to pay all of the 2016 dues as part of the closing because Disney will not allow you to set up monthly payments via withdrawals from your checking acocunt until after closing. Thus if seller is also insisting on your covering 2015 points, your facing having to pay two years worth of dues at closing. Frankly, if I were not closing until Jan and the seller insisted on getting 2015 dues, I would likely say no and if the seller insists, walk away. You have some bargaining power on that issue right now because the seller is facing the problem that he will have to pay 2016 dues if he does not do the sale with you and cannot immediatley find another buyer.
 
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I got lucky and received 2015's points with the seller paying the 2015 MFs but that is normally not the case although I have seen contracts later in the year since they have likely already been paid to be included in the contract. We were willing to pay a few $$ per point more since the MFs were about $1200. It is negotiable though.
 
I asked a similar question last week, and the responses were very informative. I'm not sure how to post it here though.
 
Thanks to everyone for weighing in. We were able to negotiate the seller paying the 2015 MF's even though 200+ points will rollover for us into 2016. So I guess it never hurts to try for something in the negotiation process.
 

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