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Yikes on the DLR AP hate. And I don't agree. They didn't increase the SoCal passes very much at all. The ones hit are the ones who have access during peak times, the same times that tiered pricing would help reduce. I don't think DLR is trying to get rid of AP holders in general, just reduce peak crowds. They had tons of AP events last year giving us after-hours access. Why do that if they don't want AP holders? Are they trying to get rid of AP holders who go during peak summer weeks, Christmas and Easter? I'd say so, but that's actually in everyone's best interest. DLR definitely cannot handle large crowds as well and since they'll be doing construction on what becomes the most painfully crowded area (if you've ever tried to go from the fireworks to F!, you don't need me to explain), it's unfortunately a good year to discourage larger crowds at peak times. I think the AP prices will eventually even out as time goes on and Star Wars Land is finished.

I think the Toy Story lot would be a good place for something new. I don't see them tearing down Mickey & Friends. I guess maybe in 20 years, but who knows if we won't have slid into the ocean after the Big One by then. :-)
 
summerw said:
They didn't increase the SoCal passes very much at all. The ones hit are the ones who have access during peak times, the same times that tiered pricing would help reduce. I don't think DLR is trying to get rid of AP holders in general, just reduce peak crowds. They had tons of AP events last year giving us after-hours access. Why do that if they don't want AP holders? Are they trying to get rid of AP holders who go during peak summer weeks, Christmas and Easter? I'd say so, but that's actually in everyone's best interest.
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Yeah - I don't think WDW goers understand the level of crowding that DL sees. We went when it wasn't high season, but mid-week in June so decent crowds. At night getting around Main Street / Frontierland / Adventureland was the most insane crowds I'd ever seen in a Disney Park. We were watching the fireworks and then wanted to go to Jungle Cruise. We had to go around half the park, because they made the entrances to Frontierland and Adventureland one-way for crowd control, so you had to go toward Rivers of America through Frontierland, and then back out through Adventureland. And it was all wall-to-wall people. MK - for all it's crowding problems, get like that maybe a few days a year around the holidays and fourth of July.

You have to understand that it's a park smaller than MK but with MORE rides. How'd they do it? Tiny walkways. Such narrow spaces don't leave room to move around. The entrance to Tomorrowland is another example. Imagine the MKs entrance (between Stitch and Monster's Inc.), but then they put AstroOrbiter on the ground right in the front of it - so everyone needs to go around. Again, just crushing masses, and this wasn't at true peak times.
 


summerw said:
Yikes on the DLR AP hate. And I don't agree. They didn't increase the SoCal passes very much at all. The ones hit are the ones who have access during peak times, the same times that tiered pricing would help reduce. I don't think DLR is trying to get rid of AP holders in general, just reduce peak crowds. They had tons of AP events last year giving us after-hours access. Why do that if they don't want AP holders? Are they trying to get rid of AP holders who go during peak summer weeks, Christmas and Easter? I'd say so, but that's actually in everyone's best interest. DLR definitely cannot handle large crowds as well and since they'll be doing construction on what becomes the most painfully crowded area (if you've ever tried to go from the fireworks to F!, you don't need me to explain), it's unfortunately a good year to discourage larger crowds at peak times. I think the AP prices will eventually even out as time goes on and Star Wars Land is finished.

I think the Toy Story lot would be a good place for something new. I don't see them tearing down Mickey & Friends. I guess maybe in 20 years, but who knows if we won't have slid into the ocean after the Big One by then. :-)
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There is absolutely no hate coming from me! ;)

In fact, I'd say Disneyland APs have a generally great influence on Disneyland and demand quality. They sometimes can be whiners about insignificant things, (especially when MiceChat whips them into a fury) but it's only because they (you?) care.

To be honest WDW fans and APs do the same thing, and even I do it sometimes too. I live by the don't cast stones if you live in a glass house mantra so I won't even go there.

I am looking at the direction this is going; it isn't good for APs. Consider that as more and more of the year becomes "peak crowds," the traditional niche that SoCal passes filled will increasingly become in demand by out of town guests. Out of town guests will look at the new tiered pricing and realize that it's a great value to go at those off peak times and invade the turf that traditionally belonged to APs. Disney will then have to make a choice between big spending guests or APs.

They won't go for the guests who spend less and expect more.

Now you're 100% accurate that Disney isn't going to do this all at once. It will take time. They also want to preserve the hundreds of millions in revenue, but it will be the trajectory they're going on.

skier_pete said:
Yeah - I don't think WDW goers understand the level of crowding that DL sees. We went when it wasn't high season, but mid-week in June so decent crowds. At night getting around Main Street / Frontierland / Adventureland was the most insane crowds I'd ever seen in a Disney Park. We were watching the fireworks and then wanted to go to Jungle Cruise. We had to go around half the park, because they made the entrances to Frontierland and Adventureland one-way for crowd control, so you had to go toward Rivers of America through Frontierland, and then back out through Adventureland. And it was all wall-to-wall people. MK - for all it's crowding problems, get like that maybe a few days a year around the holidays and fourth of July.

You have to understand that it's a park smaller than MK but with MORE rides. How'd they do it? Tiny walkways. Such narrow spaces don't leave room to move around. The entrance to Tomorrowland is another example. Imagine the MKs entrance (between Stitch and Monster's Inc.), but then they put AstroOrbiter on the ground right in the front of it - so everyone needs to go around. Again, just crushing masses, and this wasn't at true peak times.
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More intimate is how many describe it. Disney would never build something like it again, and that makes it special. We'll see what SWL does to the atmosphere.
 


skier_pete said:
Yeah - I don't think WDW goers understand the level of crowding that DL sees. We went when it wasn't high season, but mid-week in June so decent crowds. At night getting around Main Street / Frontierland / Adventureland was the most insane crowds I'd ever seen in a Disney Park. We were watching the fireworks and then wanted to go to Jungle Cruise. We had to go around half the park, because they made the entrances to Frontierland and Adventureland one-way for crowd control, so you had to go toward Rivers of America through Frontierland, and then back out through Adventureland. And it was all wall-to-wall people. MK - for all it's crowding problems, get like that maybe a few days a year around the holidays and fourth of July.

You have to understand that it's a park smaller than MK but with MORE rides. How'd they do it? Tiny walkways. Such narrow spaces don't leave room to move around. The entrance to Tomorrowland is another example. Imagine the MKs entrance (between Stitch and Monster's Inc.), but then they put AstroOrbiter on the ground right in the front of it - so everyone needs to go around. Again, just crushing masses, and this wasn't at true peak times.
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Yes, the routing around all that is exactly what I was referring to. It's not a whole lot easier on the other side after fireworks as they close the passage between the Matterhorn and the castle so you have to go back by Nemo to get to that side of Fantasyland. However, the Rivers being worked on is going to create the most insane bottleneck. I love how Disneyland is set up compared to WDW, but I don't go during peak times and you couldn't make me. It gives me "road rage." :-)

DDLand said:
There is absolutely no hate coming from me! ;)

In fact, I'd say Disneyland APs have a generally great influence on Disneyland and demand quality. They sometimes can be whiners about insignificant things, (especially when MiceChat whips them into a fury) but it's only because they (you?) care.

To be honest WDW fans and APs do the same thing, and even I do it sometimes too. I live by the don't cast stones if you live in a glass house mantra so I won't even go there.

I am looking at the direction this is going; it isn't good for APs. Consider that as more and more of the year becomes "peak crowds," the traditional niche that SoCal passes filled will increasingly become in demand by out of town guests. Out of town guests will look at the new tiered pricing and realize that it's a great value to go at those off peak times and invade the turf that traditionally belonged to APs. Disney will then have to make a choice between big spending guests or APs.

They won't go for the guests who spend less and expect more.

Now you're 100% accurate that Disney isn't going to do this all at once. It will take time. They also want to preserve the hundreds of millions in revenue, but it will be the trajectory they're going on.


More intimate is how many describe it. Disney would never build something like it again, and that makes it special. We'll see what SWL does to the atmosphere.
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I've never read any of the frenzy on MiceChat, so I don't know about that. True that we expect quality, but you should hear all the native OC'ers. You can't go with someone who was alive during Walt's time without them lamenting the state of the parks/maintenance. My mom says at least 10 times every time we're there, "Walt would never have allowed that." And my MIL actually served Walt when she worked in the restaurant off the Tiki Room. You can't talk about DLR without them talking about what Walt would have wanted.

There are so many factors that go into that planning. APs helped that park a lot during the economy's rough times and if the city of Anaheim ever moves forward with the ticket tax that will matter. It will be interesting to see how that goes. I'd be sad to not have my pass to be able to pop in for the evening, but I guess it would make it more of a novelty like WDW is for me.

rteetz said:
Walls are now up in the TSMM queue

http://blogmickey.com/2015/10/walls-up-in-the-toy-story-midway-mania-queue/
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This is exciting. That's great they're doing it while the ride is open. That would be so great to have that capacity for our trip. So they wouldn't be able to do something similar with Soarin's queue so as to not have to shut it down for 6 months?
 
summerw said:
This is exciting. That's great they're doing it while the ride is open. That would be so great to have that capacity for our trip. So they wouldn't be able to do something similar with Soarin's queue so as to not have to shut it down for
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Soarin is a bit different of a set up compared to TSMM.
 
rteetz said:
Soarin is a bit different of a set up compared to TSMM.
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Hi! Longtime lurker -- first post. I suppose this is as good as any. Has there been definitive word on whether or not Soarin will close in January for six months? We go in April, and while of course one ride isn't even close to a deal-breaker, it is the one thing my husband gets "little-kid-excited" about. We are taking his younger sister and BIL for their first ever WDW trip, and the one thing he said was "I cannot wait to take her on Soarin'." I just think that is a long time to be out of commision for Epcot's most popular ride.
 
I've read that some people are having issues with the recent Pirates refurb. Any news on what happened?
 
leholcomb said:
Spidey coming to DLR with the opening of Super Hero HQ opening November 16th. :charac4:

http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/bl...nd-park-november-16-in-the-new-super-hero-hq/
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Does anyone know if they're keeping the Peter Pan story room in Innoventions? I was so worried when they closed it that they'd take it out. It is so special. My son got to do all the effects once since there were only a few adults in the room and they were all loving watching his reaction. One of those things that makes Disney what it is.
 
Kari D said:
Hi! Longtime lurker -- first post. I suppose this is as good as any. Has there been definitive word on whether or not Soarin will close in January for six months? We go in April, and while of course one ride isn't even close to a deal-breaker, it is the one thing my husband gets "little-kid-excited" about. We are taking his younger sister and BIL for their first ever WDW trip, and the one thing he said was "I cannot wait to take her on Soarin'." I just think that is a long time to be out of commision for Epcot's most popular ride.
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No official word from Disney but multiple sources have said it will close for an extended refurb in January.
 
luisov said:
I've read that some people are having issues with the recent Pirates refurb. Any news on what happened?
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People are just upset they didn't fix the boats because people still get wet like soaked. From what I've heard the boat issue is a long term issue that will be fixed over time and not right away (would probably need another refurb for that).
 
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