Parking Increase to $20 on 10/4 CONFIRMED

Universal parking is currently at $17 are they going to follow suit? Universal tends to wait for Disney to do the increase first and then do their own increases.

I wonder if Universal are brave enough yet to play price wars?

Up to now they've matched most of Disney's increases almost dollar for dollar (at least as far as parking and day tickets are concerned). What if they stopped doing that?
 
I believe it is not just the extra $3 per day, but the grand scheme plans that this indicates in regards to pricing. It's also the "why" to it. $20 is a little much to park, IMO.

Yeah it isn't "just" $3 a day is it? It's that plus the increase in food prices in the park, plus the increase on the ticket prices, plus the increase on something like TiW.

Any one increase is absorbable, but everyone has their financial limits.
 
Hmmm...I never thought of them "driving" the rack rooms to DVC..then retroactively eliminating the rack rooms.

Does seem legitimate theory though (you would get more denials there than at a congressional hearing though)...
I guess the old mentality I still have says that they don't want to move too close to a "no rack" system...because it limits there PR/marketing machine...

But it would result in a locked in, lower cost, higher earning clientele.

Now Ima thunkin....

I don't know that it was necessarily intentional on Disney's part but do believe it is what ended up happening.

Ever notice how fast the deluxe resort rooms go now when there are discounted rooms? I believe there is a smaller number of deluxe rooms available to the general public than in the past but that Disney can't sell them at the exorbitant rack rates nor can they put a bunch with a price drop in inventory as DVC 'value' is bench marked against deluxe rack rate. Isn't Disney now converting part of Wilderness Lodge to DVC? Does Disney do that if they are selling them out at rack?
 
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Yep exactly what I was getting at, but hadn't heard about the land sell off. That was an unfortunate mistake IMO.

Any maps of that incident out there? Too late but interesting information. Like what was built there etc?
Commercial properties, apartments stuff like that.
 


I don't know that it was necessarily intentional on Disney's part but do believe it is what ended up happening.

Ever notice how fast the deluxe resort rooms go now when there are discounted rooms? I believe there is a smaller number of deluxe rooms available to the general public than in the past but that Disney can't sell them at the exorbitant rack rates nor can they put a bunch with a price drop in inventory as DVC 'value' is bench marked against deluxe rack rate. Isn't Disney now converting part of Wilderness Lodge to DVC? Does Disney do that if they are selling them out at rack?

Not quite...

Remember that very limited numbers of rooms are earmarked for promotions...it's only slightly indicative of inventory.

What I notice is that the rooms that go fast are the values/moderates - many times values are excluded - and what are last to go are the higher end deluxes. The standards go pretty quickly.

But th deluxe rack to this point has only been reduced about 200 rooms for the demolition of contemporary ghetto north and Probably 100 or so out of the original animal kingdom building. The other 5,000 or so rooms are identical.

Now...when they announce that all but guaranteed gut/retrofit of wilderness lodge...that's gonna take meat off the bones and compress the deluxe inventory. I'm guessing more will follow rather quickly.
 


Not quite...

Remember that very limited numbers of rooms are earmarked for promotions...it's only slightly indicative of inventory.

What I notice is that the rooms that go fast are the values/moderates - many times values are excluded - and what are last to go are the higher end deluxes. The standards go pretty quickly.

But th deluxe rack to this point has only been reduced about 200 rooms for the demolition of contemporary ghetto north and Probably 100 or so out of the original animal kingdom building. The other 5,000 or so rooms are identical.

Now...when they announce that all but guaranteed gut/retrofit of wilderness lodge...that's gonna take meat off the bones and compress the deluxe inventory. I'm guessing more will follow rather quickly.


A little OT but look at it this way. There is only 27 years until the 2042s can be resold They are currently preparing to convert a lot of WL, They can convert Beach club next (keep yacht for Rack or convert some of that too), Convert a building at GF. What is that 4 – 5 projects including another Poly addition (left out because it won’t be a conversion). Assuming it takes an average of 5 years to sell out (Unreasonable assumption?) they only need 5 – 6 (4 – 5 are mentioned above) more projects and they can stop building DVC and rest on those laurels. With all those conversions they will reduce rack tremendously and be able to recycle DVC ad infinitum.
 
Yeah...not to jack...but this stuff does have longterm implications for everyone...

Here's how I see it playing out:

1. Massive conversion of WL...id say at least 50% of inventory
2. Polynesian tower - 300+ units (after parking lot retrofit at mk)
3. Two lodge conversion at grand...id guess boca chica and big pine
4. Beach club conversion...again probably 50%+ of existing inventory.
5. New standalone DVC if need continues to go up...id guess somewhere near Epcot for access to springs and starwarsland.
 
Yeah...not to jack...but this stuff does have longterm implications for everyone...

Here's how I see it playing out:

1. Massive conversion of WL...id say at least 50% of inventory
2. Polynesian tower - 300+ units (after parking lot retrofit at mk)
3. Two lodge conversion at grand...id guess boca chica and big pine
4. Beach club conversion...again probably 50%+ of existing inventory.
5. New standalone DVC if need continues to go up...id guess somewhere near Epcot for access to springs and starwarsland.

Hope this is true and they add a 21 and over DVC.
 
A little OT but look at it this way. There is only 27 years until the 2042s can be resold They are currently preparing to convert a lot of WL, They can convert Beach club next (keep yacht for Rack or convert some of that too), Convert a building at GF. What is that 4 – 5 projects including another Poly addition (left out because it won’t be a conversion). Assuming it takes an average of 5 years to sell out (Unreasonable assumption?) they only need 5 – 6 (4 – 5 are mentioned above) more projects and they can stop building DVC and rest on those laurels. With all those conversions they will reduce rack tremendously and be able to recycle DVC ad infinitum.

Except... as I understand it ... Most dvc buyers borrow money to do so, and most borrow from Disney. All bubbles burst sooner or later. Sooner or later Disney is going to get caught with its pants down. Or its customers will, which amounts to the same thing.

The massive price increases could be a way to try to hedge against that and maintain a healthy cash flow as insurance against a revulsion of debt or an interest rate shock.

But you know what they say up here in Canada ... you can't roll the log both ways at once. Err, or is it, the flume only goes one way ... No it's you can't chop your tree down and have the shade too ...
 
But you know what they say up here in Canada ... you can't roll the log both ways at once. Err, or is it, the flume only goes one way ... No it's you can't chop your tree down and have the shade too ...


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That image seems particularly apropos to the imagery in the preceding post... Danger looming overhead ready to collapse at any moment. :D

Or too big to fail.

WDW is getting monthly payments for all of its room expansions, and all DVC room upkeep.

Heck they just got 2 POLY wings totally remodeled by members, and a whole wing built at GF, a complete Tower at BLT..

Even if every member walks away-they simply have cash resorts that were built for them.
 
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Except... as I understand it ... Most dvc buyers borrow money to do so, and most borrow from Disney. All bubbles burst sooner or later. Sooner or later Disney is going to get caught with its pants down. Or its customers will, which amounts to the same thing.

The massive price increases could be a way to try to hedge against that and maintain a healthy cash flow as insurance against a revulsion of debt or an interest rate shock.

But you know what they say up here in Canada ... you can't roll the log both ways at once. Err, or is it, the flume only goes one way ... No it's you can't chop your tree down and have the shade too ...

Hmmm...when the program...sorry "straight up timeshare" started...they'd Be welcoming whether you paid in pennies from the 1950's...
But now?

They don't really want - one would reasonably conclude - the financed members as they do the cash ones.
It's not universally true...but you can make a fairly accurate correlation between Capitol means and expenditures...that's also know as a "credit rating"...in other circles.

So if the bubble breaks...what happens is the DVC (like investment real estate in Florida) is their at to go and is the most painless to give up.

DVC gobbles the points back and resells them used at a
Higher rate.
But what if people can't afford it?

You swing "deals" and you have a line down the block of diehards and newbies looking to "cash in" at the new savings...which are still a higher profit than the original time on the lot...

The Dutch door swingeth.

Does everyone know that used point sell at the "current" price? They just change the narrative to sell them?

Still dont call them a timeshare though.
 

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