Tiered/surge park pricing coming soon

In Texas, funding does depend on attendance. How much a week matters I don't know.

Also, some districts in Texas will throw the book at parents if they take their kids out. Being out for going on vacation is never excused in our district and teachers do not have to give makeup work. Rules vary.

This is very OT. And likely to lead to more arguing so I'm out.
 
JohnDaleswife said:
I am starting to research homeschooling myself.
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One thing my wife and I came across while doing research in college (using the peer reviewed journals we had access to back then) was student performance in from various school backgrounds. The research showed that homeschooled students tended to outperform public school and private school students on SAT/ACT as well as in college. What was interesting was that this was true even if the parents had only a high school education with no college. Highly qualified teachers make no difference in public school education because they aren't allowed to truly teach anymore and they face constant interruption.
 
EvieBug said:
Wait, illegal? Or are you just saying the school will penalize families who do this? (Unexcused absences,
Etc)
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Yes, in many systems there are penalties for unexcused absenses. Before you take teh kids out it is best to check your school systems policy.

disneynutz said:
IMO it's more about filling the parks during slower times than deterring visits during the busiest times.

:earsboy: Bill
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This is what I believe as well. I think that Disney has used several tools to increase attendance throughout the year in their resorts. "Free" dining, and RO discounts that fill rooms during traditionally slower seasons have been very successful. I can see the next Disney needs to drive park attendance with seasonal rate changes, and then move those folks who are staying onsite into those parks. I have been during some of those FD promotions and while the restaurants are packed and the resorts are filled, the parks are not. Disney will want to fill that void.

RRuszczyk said:
Because they truly have no idea how schools are funded. They're just making stuff up.
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Actually, they are not making anything up. Districts that have attendance issues have been imposing fines and penalties in order to manage their state and federal funding. School systems need to meet and maintain a certain threshold to maintain their funding. This will hold true even in some Community Colleges.

cjparker0110 said:
Actually, I could see them leaking it to see how people respond to it before making it a done deal. If the responses aren't overly terrible, they will probably do it. If they get a lot of flack for it, they won't. I think it's terrible because it will end up punishing those people who really cannot travel any time except for during the peak seasons. Even if you are in schools where you can take your kids out for a weak, some parents won't because it sends a message that education isn't as important as fun. And some kids may not be doing well enough for their parents to want to pull them. I'm glad we are going to home school our children. I can't imagine putting them through the prison...oops I meant school....system.
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I think the leak is deliberate and is meant to see what reaction will be, I honestly think that for the most part this is all part of Disney's increasingly "All inclusive" package that they want guests to feel they are purchasing, and most guests will not even notice tiers. What they will see is what most of us see, already: the bottom line for the trip when we book. Is is within the budget? Yes? We book. No? We regroup, make changes and either take it or we walk away. Most of us do that now. If there are discounts for out rooms or packages and the price is right we consider a trip. If not we look again another time.

I really do not think Disney is going to prices folks out of going during peak times, but they may offer incentives on ticket prices to go during typically slow park times.
 
...AND.... I truly feel like this is an affront to those families who will be 'shut out' from visiting Disney,if these special prices take effect.... if you truly must travel in busier times, but you don't have extra income- then that takes away the experience from yet another income level group. I'm sorry, but is expensive enough as it is.(not arguing Disney's value per dollar,but it is expensive) and from what I have read, when Walt Disney created the parks I believe his idea was to be inclusive enough so that all types of families could enjoy it- while he was a businessman, I still feel like the moneygrubbing that is happening right now is just....off.
 


hsmamato2 said:
...AND.... I truly feel like this is an affront to those families who will be 'shut out' from visiting Disney,if these special prices take effect.... if you truly must travel in busier times, but you don't have extra income- then that takes away the experience from yet another income level group. I'm sorry, but is expensive enough as it is.(not arguing Disney's value per dollar,but it is expensive) and from what I have read, when Walt Disney created the parks I believe his idea was to be inclusive enough so that all types of families could enjoy it- while he was a businessman, I still feel like the moneygrubbing that is happening right now is just....off.
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Agree. I have some flexibility with spring, fall breaks & could tolerate early summer heat, so I'm not completely restricted to the very busiest times, yet I know many are. I often lean more toward "Disney is a business and of course gets to maximize profits" , but this is the element that pushes me more toward "Disney is being greedy". A great many people can't change dates dramatically, so this can't move crowds all that much, it can only soak the guests already going at busy times. I agree that the Walt model seemed to be for "all levels of family" and we do have deluxe, moderate, value resorts to choose from; basic park admission vs add-on parties and tours. This just steps more into cutting off a segment of visitors if they can't or won't pony up for basic admission with no additional benefits at busier times.
 
cjparker0110 said:
Actually, I could see them leaking it to see how people respond to it before making it a done deal. If the responses aren't overly terrible, they will probably do it. If they get a lot of flack for it, they won't.
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they have been running surveys on this already months ago. there were screen shots posted on here with the questions, so they were already finding out what people think. i don't think they need to leak out information in this case to get reactions, they have the data.
 
JohnDaleswife said:
I am starting to research homeschooling myself.
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It's a wonderful option. My oldest is now in college with an academic scholarship, he's done well and feels totally prepared. Two more will be attending college next fall. It has been a wonderful option for our family. There is a lot of information available and it is becoming a very popular educational option.
 


Mikie said:
This just steps more into cutting off a segment of visitors if they can't or won't pony up for basic admission with no additional benefits at busier times.
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This.... I would highlight the "no additional benefits" part of this.... Right now the FL parks are in pretty dismal condition in comparison to other parks 'just down the road'- and the closures,delays,and issues that people have been paying for (think refurbing hotels,rides,etc in a big way) are just escalating. Taking away lots of live shows and acts, dumbing down entertainment, upping prices.... all of this combines to be a bad thing.
....Also....this isn;t a thread about homeschooling vs. the merits of public education and policies IMHO. I have successfully homeschooled my kids for a LONG time now,for a variety of reasons-and that still doesn't change how I feel about these prices. Even though we always traveled at the cheapest times b/c we could, it doesn't change how badly the Disney co. is handling things lately.
 
I am sorry I moved your thread I read it wrong and thought you were speaking of only DL.
 
I have made request to WebMasters to move it back to TP&S Board. I have no mod tools I can use on this Board to move it. Again sorry hope it will be moved back quickly I can't promise but it will be moved back to top of page on TP&S Board.Danny
 
I believe it's just a matter of time WHEN, not IF, Disney goes to tiered pricing for the theme parks. Fearless prediction: After spring break 2016 and before summer.
 
I'm listening to this week's DIS podcast episode right now and they're talking about the annual pass price increase. This might not be a popular opinion, but I don't really have any sympathy right now for AP holders who are complaining about the AP price increase. Our family doesn't have the option of going very often. Going once a year or once every two years is a real treat for us and most of the time, we can only go for 3 days in the parks. Even with the price increase, for people who go to the parks quite often, it is STILL a good deal in terms of price compared to what you get.

The price increase for the Deluxe AP is not that much. The one that went up the most is the AP that allows you to get into the parks 365 days a year. And I think it's a good thing that they eliminated the free parking with the lower end Annual Passes.
 
Before we complain about Tiered pricing .. maybe we should wait and see what it will be? Maybe they will increase prices slightly in the peak season, but leave them the same (or even lower them) for the value season? Maybe they will tier tickets bought separately but keep the same prices if you get part of a package.

I think decisions like this are less about making more money, but more about encouraging certain behavior (to make more money). If they want more people to come in value season and less people to come in peak season then I don't see anything wrong with pricing their tickets like they already do their hotels.

Another thing .. ticket pricing is tiered already technically.

Going one day? You spend $105 per ticket
Going two days? You spend $96 per ticket
Going 10 days? You spend $36.50 per ticket.
 
mom2rtk said:
I don't think their goal is to slow down crowds in the busy season. I think their intention is to find a way to grow revenue when crowds are already at or near capacity.

If they had invested in the parks infrastructure years ago, this would not be a problem.
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Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner... Exactly this.

Disney is putting all it's chips on marketing to "Once in a lifetime" visitors that will spend $10,000 for a 1 week trip. After those people spend a week eating crappy theme park food, dealing with surly CM's, getting on 3 ancient technology rides and waiting HOURS in line to get on anything else they will vow never to come back. I didn't even mention the heat and humidity or the fact that you have to decide 6 months in advance what restaurants you want to eat at and 2 months in advance where you need to schedule your park rides to within an inch of your life.

And the most unbelievable thing of all is the way they are shutting out the families that bought DVC timeshares. These families were led to believe that by buying DVC, a Disney vacation would be affordable with the "perks" like discounted park tickets and merchandise. Well those perks are evaporating and I've heard from a couple of friends who have DVC that they can no longer afford to go to Disney, nor can they afford to help their adult kids go, so they are considering selling their DVC contracts.

I give this whole thing two years. Park attendance will definitely be down, especially when you consider all the stuff that has yet to be closed or taken away and all the construction walls that will be going up. The people that they are marketing to will never realize that the $95 PLUS they just paid to get into Hollywood studios was a complete waste of money. Those people will never see that there is no band playing in Canada @ Epcot or that the Drum and Bugle corp at American Adventure has disappeared. They won't notice all the characters that are missing from the meet and greets but they sure will notice when it FINALLY hits them that they paid all that money and waited HOURS in line in the heat and humidity for an experience that just isn't worth half the price of an automobile or one year at a public university.

GreatLakes said:
Disney spent $2 billion on a data warehouse and analytics system. It isn't really an surprise they are using that data to better monetize guests. I'd be disappointed in them if they didn't.
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And there in lies the rub, that Disney has spent the last 5 years focusing on squeezing every last penny out of the park guests and not on developing and modernizing it's parks. It's ONLY about the money and NOTHING about the guest experience. And don't even talk to me about Pandora that is 2 plus years from opening or a Star Wars land that probably won't be opened until 2021. Enjoy your exorbitant theme park prices, outdated rides, absent entertainment and missing characters, not to mention abundant construction walls because that's what a Disney parks experience has become... and that is certainly NOT worth the money for my family!

~NM
 
bwang123 said:
they have been running surveys on this already months ago. there were screen shots posted on here with the questions, so they were already finding out what people think. i don't think they need to leak out information in this case to get reactions, they have the data.
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This is my 2 cents.. Disney is NOT going to discount the value season tickets..
Instead that's where the price will start (same price the tickets are today) and go up from there..

The major problem with the surveys is I belive the questions were misleading..
I havnt read the all the question. But i highly doubt one of the questions stated

"Would you be willing to pay more for your park tickets during busier times?"
Or
" if the price you paid for you ticket today was only available during our value season time and you had to pay more to visit any other time of the year would you?"


They way most people read the questions is that disney would have their highest priced tickets be today's prices and would discount the other seasons.. (Not holding my breath on that one!)
 
VandVsmama said:
And I think it's a good thing that they eliminated the free parking with the lower end Annual Passes.
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The lower end Annual Passes gained free parking. The seasonal and weekday FL resident options didn't have free parking before and now after the increase they do.

Our children attend a private school so we have no issues taking them out for vacation. I try my best to schedule vacation at times when they already have some days off if possible. For our upcoming 9 day trip in Feb/March they already had a Fri and Mon off so they are only missing 4 days.

I just purchased our tickets from UCT today to make sure we have them. Unfortunately, my parents and grandma who winter in FL hadn't purchased the seasonal pass yet so now they are having to pay more. I ordered the physical tickets and will wait to link them to MDE until just before we need to make FP+ just in case something odd happens with prices but nothing ever goes down when they change prices. Off season might stay the same as they are now and peak season goes up but I can't forsee off season getting any cheaper. I had the money already saved so better do it now just in case.
 
Ninja Mom said:
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner... Exactly this.

Disney is putting all it's chips on marketing to "Once in a lifetime" visitors that will spend $10,000 for a 1 week trip. After those people spend a week eating crappy theme park food, dealing with surly CM's, getting on 3 ancient technology rides and waiting HOURS in line to get on anything else they will vow never to come back. I didn't even mention the heat and humidity or the fact that you have to decide 6 months in advance what restaurants you want to eat at and 2 months in advance where you need to schedule your park rides to within an inch of your life.

And the most unbelievable thing of all is the way they are shutting out the families that bought DVC timeshares. These families were led to believe that by buying DVC, a Disney vacation would be affordable with the "perks" like discounted park tickets and merchandise. Well those perks are evaporating and I've heard from a couple of friends who have DVC that they can no longer afford to go to Disney, nor can they afford to help their adult kids go, so they are considering selling their DVC contracts.

I give this whole thing two years. Park attendance will definitely be down, especially when you consider all the stuff that has yet to be closed or taken away and all the construction walls that will be going up. The people that they are marketing to will never realize that the $95 PLUS they just paid to get into Hollywood studios was a complete waste of money. Those people will never see that there is no band playing in Canada @ Epcot or that the Drum and Bugle corp at American Adventure has disappeared. They won't notice all the characters that are missing from the meet and greets but they sure will notice when it FINALLY hits them that they paid all that money and waited HOURS in line in the heat and humidity for an experience that just isn't worth half the price of an automobile or one year at a public university.


And there in lies the rub, that Disney has spent the last 5 years focusing on squeezing every last penny out of the park guests and not on developing and modernizing it's parks. It's ONLY about the money and NOTHING about the guest experience. And don't even talk to me about Pandora that is 2 plus years from opening or a Star Wars land that probably won't be opened until 2021. Enjoy your exorbitant theme park prices, outdated rides, absent entertainment and missing characters, not to mention abundant construction walls because that's what a Disney parks experience has become... and that is certainly NOT worth the money for my family!

~NM
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I'll take that bet. I heard this for awhile with all the FP+ naysayers.......still waiting for that decrease to occur.

And I bought our DVC contract for what they are - discounted rates on "deluxe" accommodation at WDW. "Perks" are just that - perks. People thinking those are forever guaranteed needed to have done more research. I think a lot of DVC'ers go during the off times and will like the discount Gold AP option. :confused3 We'll see.
 
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