Does anyone else expect a "rant" in this coming weeks show?
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Curious as to which way it goes.
MikeTaylor
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I'll give Pete a talking point... EVERY increase is a piece to the puzzle and that whole picture adds up to this... The incentives/effect of jacking up prices for parking, TIW, and APs, just means they're making the locals pay for the new bypass and parking lot. They'll deny they're justifying the allotment through the data mining (a.la., locals don't spend as much in the parks: snacks; novelty items; merchandise; etc. and the potential, non-discounted reservations they are taking away whenever they sit down to eat using their Tables cards) or any other method, but the pieces fit.
They want that out-of-state/country money to continue rolling in and the only way to do that is to eliminate: crowded parks with traffic logistical issues; hard-to-get dining reservations; and easy ways to get to Universal from Disney.
They want that out-of-state/country money to continue rolling in and the only way to do that is to eliminate: crowded parks with traffic logistical issues; hard-to-get dining reservations; and easy ways to get to Universal from Disney.
*NikkiBell*
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Don't forget they also need to pay for the DHS overhaul.
Personally, as a DVC member, I think what they've done to us as a group is absurd. Black out dates or pay almost $200 more? Not right. DVC is the constituent that pays the most. We shouldn't be penalized here.
disneysteve
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TIW is probably largely locals but parking and APs affect everyone. Most people I know with APs are not Florida residents (who pay different prices anyway). And most guests stay offsite so parking fees definitely affect them.
It doesn't particularly bother me when prices go up. What does bother me is the rate at which they go up. Raising parking from $17 to $20 is a 17.6% hike. I can't believe the cost of operating a parking lot has increased that much. I'm sure the CMs working in the lot haven't gotten a 17.6% raise (I know I sure haven't).
As for the APs, it bothers me when they increase the price of something and try to justify it by adding some feature that most people probably don't want or need. Quite honestly, I'm not even entirely sure what PhotoPass is. I mean, I know it has something to do with the photos that are taken of you in the park but it's not something I've ever used in any way. The fact that I'm now going to pay more for an AP to get that included is just a waste to me. I'd rather see the ticket prices lower and keep the a la carte services separate. People who want them can buy them. People who don't want them aren't stuck paying for them.
Pete has said numerous times not to complain if you aren't prepared to stop paying the price. So far, we're not at that point yet so I'm not going to fuss too much. I've said before, the one thing that might make me stop going is FP+, not the ticket prices. Our next trip is in November. I'll see what I think after that.
kbelle8995
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There will be no rant on this. I think that when you get into it. It is confusing. I do like that parking is now offered. For that price, parking should come with it.
Disney will stop raising prices when people stop paying them. Unfortunately that won't be happening anytime soon.
Disney will stop raising prices when people stop paying them. Unfortunately that won't be happening anytime soon.
North of Mouse
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We prefer to be our own photographers - why would we want theirs??!! We take better pictures and prefer our own settings - not 'cookie cutter' ones that everyone else has.
Why would small children 'need' a photopass???
Duh, so they can get an extra $100 (whatever) from every AP! 
Does anyone else see that this is exactly what they did with the DDP - 'making' everyone pay for the refillable mug???? Oh, no, they don't say it like that - it's included free, right????? Not!
Rants won't bother them - people are lining up to pay!
disneysteve
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I thought APs already included parking.
kbelle8995
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The AP's did but not Seasonal AP's and Epcot after 4 did not have parking. You had to pay for parking. Now they do have "complimentary Parking". Although as I see it you are paying for it now. I may be wrong about Epcot. But Seasonal did not have parking included. Part of the reason I dropped it.
I'm leaning towards getting Epcot after four. So this is a plus. Plus after fours are not blocked. And after dropping my AP it's the one park I do miss.
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disneysteve
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Does this include ride photos or just the ones the strolling photographers take?
disneysteve
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One of my huge pet peeves (not just at Disney) is the fraudulent usage of the words "free" and 'complimentary" when what they really mean is "included". Hotels don't have "free" WiFi or "complimentary" breakfast. You're paying for it. It's built into the room rates. Now you won't be getting "complimentary" parking with your AP because they raised the price to encompass that fee.
kbelle8995
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I agree with you that's why "Complimentary" is in quotes. You pay for it.
I think that they charge you for parking at the resorts it is just in the cost of the room.
Other hotels in Orlando they charge you a resort fee and a parking fee. The difference is that Disney puts it into the cost and then act like everythings "Complimentary"
Boy does that sound bitter. I don't want to be bitter.
North of Mouse
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'Most' ride photos - no, but those have never been much of an interest to us. We were always able to get photos of our children on rides. We have been to Disney too many years to count (since year after MK opened in '71) so take just a few important (to us) ones now.
disneysteve
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I hate to say this but I've come to believe that the single biggest problem at Disney World today is overcrowding. It is the source of many of the problems that we all complain about. Other than closing the gates, there is a limited amount that Disney can do to address this. Maybe hiking prices and adding blackout dates is part of an attempt to address the crowd issue. That allows them to keep income steady with fewer guests.
I'd be curious to hear what others think about that possibly being the motive here.
dkrauss
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While I agree with your thought, I'm curious, if this is true, why Disney would mess with its most ardent supporters? Is it about them knowing those who visit the most can just "take it"? Seems like a strange strategy to me..........but its the same deal the cable companies use...........the long standing customer never gets in on the new deals, they're only to draw new folks. The problem the cable companies have now is there is competition now...........so that strategy can be beat (I've done it twice to FIOS). Is the competition of US enough to impact Disney?
Doug
dkrauss
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A point that I agree with..........but with all the complaining and anger on the boards about this..............I just can't see him ignoring it. I also wonder if he himself isn't going to have issues with how Disney implemented these price increase. I guess we'll see tomorrow at 1pm
Doug
They already have existing members money already booked to previous financials. The annual maintenance fees are supposed to go back to keeping up the DVC properties. So, while it is true that DVC members paid the most, as far as future revenue is concerned they are no different than any other park visitor. Perks have been eroding for DVC members for years. I expect more of the same.
purplegirl1818
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Maybe even a rant about rants!
Epcot_Fan_76
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I don't think that Disney understands basic economics and consumer behavior. If the prices in one area go up, then people will cut back in other areas in order to make up the difference. Disney might increase profits in one area, and lose profits in another. As a local, I will not be renewing my TIW. With the $150 savings I can afford to pay for the now much higher priced AP. Without TIW I will probably go out to eat at other Orlando area restaurants over the next year. The whole point of TIW was to encourage locals to eat on Disney property. I believe that the main motivation behind the AP price increase is crowd control. I think this is misguided because locals only make up a small percentage of the crowds. This might make a small dent in the crowd levels during the blackout periods, but at the expense of insulting your most loyal guests. Things may turn out to be business as usual, and it may take a few years for the effects of this to trickle down, but I believe that Disney is hurting themselves in the long run with such dramatic increases.
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