My husband didn't believe me about FP+

ArwenMarie · Aug 31, 2015

flicx said:
It will be interesting to see if they ever do install plus at other parks. If not I see it as Disney admitting failure.

I don't know about the international parks, but if CA doesn't get FP+, I totally agree...That will be them admitting it has been a failure, whether due to high expense to maintain and run it, guest feedback or otherwise.

Sybernova · Aug 31, 2015

flicx said:
There are undeniable truths about fast pass plus that legacy guaranteed. With fast pass plus you can be totally shut out of fast passes for certain attractions for your entire trip 60 days in advance. With legacy if you arrived at the park early that did not happen, you got one, maybe not for the time you want but you got it. You didn't need near the level of planning involved with plus under legacy. It was a much simpler system to use. Both systems may require rope dropping one in real life lines the other in virtual lines. So plus offers a different line that's all. The secondary attractions are now much more bogged down under the plus system, rides such as pirates that now have 1 line dedicated to plus are nowhere near as efficient loading as they were under legacy(non fast pass then). Plus has shined a light on how slow Disney has been to add attractions to the parks. All in all for many of us the system is a flop, it just doesn't measure up to legacy. It will be interesting to see if they ever do install plus at other parks. If not I see it as Disney admitting failure.

For some, they could say the exact opposite. Say I wanted to sleep in and swim at the pool until noon but still ride SDMT? If Legacy were still around I have no doubt they would be gone by noon. With FP+, you can sleep in, swim at the pool AND still have a FP for that afternoon for the major attractions.

flicx · Aug 31, 2015

Sybernova said:
For some, they could say the exact opposite. Say I wanted to sleep in and swim at the pool until noon but still ride SDMT? If Legacy were still around I have no doubt they would be gone by noon. With FP+, you can sleep in, swim at the pool AND still have a FP for that afternoon for the major attractions.

While in theory this is correct. However there are enough people who have been totally shut out 60 days prior to many major attractions or are forced to take times that don't allow for sleeping in/ ie left overs.

MrInfinity · Aug 31, 2015

flicx said:
There are undeniable truths about fast pass plus that legacy guaranteed. With fast pass plus you can be totally shut out of fast passes for certain attractions for your entire trip 60 days in advance. With legacy if you arrived at the park early that did not happen, you got one.

If by FP+ you could be shut out of getting a FastPass to A&E 60 days in advance, then by FP-, you could be shut out of getting a FastPass to A&E by not getting there first thing in the morning. (We all know if SDMT was under FP-, the tickets would be gone in the first hour.)
Both have their pros and cons. In either case, if you get so shut out, you can wait standby.
FP+ just changes when you attempt to get them. With FP-, you'd get them first thing in the morning. Now, you get them the day before, or 30 days before, or 60 days before at your discretion.

flicx said:
It was a much simpler system to use.

I do agree with you there, FP- was a simpler system. But in the way that using a pen and paper is simpler than using a computer. Simpler -- not necessarily better.

flicx said:
Both systems may require rope dropping one in real life lines the other in virtual lines. So plus offers a different line that's all.

Exactly. It's just a different line. It's a line we can wait in at home, before our trip, instead of at the parks during vacation.

flicx said:
The secondary attractions are now much more bogged down under the plus system, rides such as pirates that now have 1 line dedicated to plus are nowhere near as efficient loading as they were under legacy(non fast pass then). Plus has shined a light on how slow Disney has been to add attractions to the parks.

I didn't see that in my experience. We rode as much under FP+ as FP-. The lines were not particularly longer. Figment did have a 20 min wait early in the day, but we Fast Passed it... so it was actually shorter. Then later in the day there was no wait.

flicx said:
All in all for many of us the system is a flop, it just doesn't measure up to legacy. It will be interesting to see if they ever do install plus at other parks. If not I see it as Disney admitting failure.

There are varying reasons to install / not install it at other parks. The biggest difference is that WDW caters to vacationers who plan to visit months in advance, but Disneyland is predominantly a locals park and for ppl who visit LA and do DL for a day or two. If FP+ goes to Disneyland, it may have some different functionality to accommodate their guests.

blondemom · Aug 31, 2015

3DisneyFanz said:
Did you stay on property? If so did you spend the extra time at the resort or downtown Disney? I suspect that you doing what you did is the dream scenario for this system. You paid for admission, used limited resources in the park and then went elsewhere on property to potentially spend money on top of what you'd already committed to them.

We went back to the resort and swam. We have annual passes, so we feel free to come and go as we please. We really enjoyed the pools and resorts this trip. I think I spent about $100 on souvenirs the entire trip.

flicx · Aug 31, 2015

MrInfinity said:
If by FP+ you could be shut out of getting a FastPass to A&E 60 days in advance, then by FP-, you could be shut out of getting a FastPass to A&E by not getting there first thing in the morning. (We all know if SDMT was under FP-, the tickets would be gone in the first hour.)

I didn't see that in my experience. We rode as much under FP+ as FP-. The lines were not particularly longer. Figment did have a 20 min wait early in the day, but we Fast Passed it... so it was actually shorter. Then later in the day there was no wait.

There are varying reasons to install / not install it at other parks. The biggest difference is that WDW caters to vacationers who plan to visit months in advance, but Disneyland is predominantly a locals park and for ppl who visit LA and do DL for a day or two. If FP+ goes to Disneyland, it may have some different functionality to accommodate their guests.

I agree on a couple points but differ on few others. Legacy virtually guaranteed any ride a fast pass at rope drop. Plus definitely doesn't. If I had a nickel for every person who got on the internet at midnight 60 days out and struck out ,well you know the rest. The wait times on secondary attractions have gone up according to most sources. There is no denying that on rides like pirates that used to have two lines feeding the boats nonstop, now its not happening. As far as I am concerned if you have dropped over a billion dollars on this system and it is a Disneyworld only product its a big fat fail. When it was first introduced I believe that is what was stated too(multiple parks). Here we are years later and it appears as if it is too glitchy, to expensive and problematic. Hardly what Disney expected in my opinion.

ArwenMarie · Aug 31, 2015

MrInfinity said:
The biggest difference is that WDW caters to vacationers who plan to visit months in advance, but Disneyland is predominantly a locals park and for ppl who visit LA and do DL for a day or two. If FP+ goes to Disneyland, it may have some different functionality to accommodate their guests.

Locals in Orlando seem to like FP+ from what I gather (in general from blogs/podcasts etc and even reading on here). Even people who live within a hour or two and get to visit frequently seem to be ok with it as well.

The people who seem to be most opposed to it are people who are tourist visitors who have to travel a long distance, who go once a year or less and who have to sink a lot of money into airfare, lodging, etc.

Angel Ariel · Aug 31, 2015

ArwenMarie said:
Locals in Orlando seem to like FP+ from what I gather (in general from blogs/podcasts etc and even reading on here). Even people who live within a hour or two and get to visit frequently seem to be ok with it as well.

The people who seem to be most opposed to it are people who are tourist visitors who have to travel a long distance, who go once a year or less and who have to sink a lot of money into airfare, lodging, etc.

The culture of the LA locals seems to be very different than Orlando, at least as far as I can tell from listening to the DLR podcast. Most if not all of that team has experienced fp+ at wdw, and I don't think many (if any at all) of the podcast team thought bringing fp+ to dlr would go over well with the CA locals.

DisneyOma · Sep 1, 2015

I'm not understanding the 7dmt angst - we got FP+ day of, in the afternoon on our last trip, and also snagged online FP+ without having to stay up until midnight to book.

Angel Ariel · Sep 1, 2015

that isn't everyone's experience. Sdmt was gone for my entire trip.last year within 5 mins of my 60 day window opening. Thankfully I did manage to grab that one when I first signed in at midnight, or we wouldn't have had one. I had to keep checking for a&e fp, as those were all gone the moment I signed in, and I never saw sdmt availability open again..not before the trip, or day of.

Mkrop · Sep 1, 2015

DisneyOma said:
I'm not understanding the 7dmt angst - we got FP+ day of, in the afternoon on our last trip, and also snagged online FP+ without having to stay up until midnight to book.

Then you were one of the lucky ones. When we went in Dec we could not get a FP+ for it until my DH called and basically said WTH????. The CM gave him one. Then in August we got it twice on different days at midnight. But I know we were very fortunate bc that is not the scenario for many

JoshuaShaw · Sep 1, 2015

DisneyOma said:
I'm not understanding the 7dmt angst - we got FP+ day of, in the afternoon on our last trip, and also snagged online FP+ without having to stay up until midnight to book.

I believe the angst comes from people who didn't have your experience.

3DisneyFanz · Sep 1, 2015

Mkrop said:
Then you were one of the lucky ones. When we went in Dec we could not get a FP+ for it until my DH called and basically said WTH????. The CM gave him one. Then in August we got it twice on different days at midnight. But I know we were very fortunate bc that is not the scenario for many

I believe the WTH calls and comments to CMs resulting in the elusive anytime FP is already a touring strategy for some.

Mkrop · Sep 1, 2015

3DisneyFanz said:
I believe the WTH calls and comments to CMs resulting in the elusive anytime FP is already a touring strategy for some.

Well it wasnt for him...he doesnt read any of this stuff. He thinks I am crazy reading here like I do until I give him some of the tips and they work

And we did not get an anytime FP , the CM added an actual FP+ for the Mine Train on our MDE account. And DH had tried again before he called. I was out of the loop for that particular trip and he took the lead booking it. He could not believe that when he got on at midnight at 60 days that they were all gone when WDW advertises the ease of this new system, so he called them on it. He called and said that is was unacceptable that he did what he was told by them and he could not get a FP when in the past he was able to walk into any park at rope drop and get a FP, sometime multiple FPs. The CM apologized that DH did not like the new system and put the FPs on our account. DH did not rant and rave but his tone was certainly WTH, he is in sales so he can convey that and be completely even toned...lol unlike me!

Then for our next trip I once again could not book the FPs so he went on with the tip of working from your last days backwards and it worked. Then he was glad that I read here lol!

MrInfinity · Sep 1, 2015

ArwenMarie said:
Locals in Orlando seem to like FP+ from what I gather (in general from blogs/podcasts etc and even reading on here). Even people who live within a hour or two and get to visit frequently seem to be ok with it as well.

If you have some insight on locals in Orlando, and you think the general consensus of those is that they're okay with it, then that's great to hear. If that's the case, then less would need to be changed in bringing FP+ to DL.

ArwenMarie said:
The people who seem to be most opposed to it are people who are tourist visitors who have to travel a long distance, who go once a year or less and who have to sink a lot of money into airfare, lodging, etc.

Well, this is pretty much me. And everyone else in my area that goes to WDW. We are going for vacation, and only go every 1-2 years, but then stay longer than a local. I think it benefits us and other ppl in our area quite well. We don't just drop in on a dime, we know 6 mo ahead of time when we'll go because I have to take time off work and so on.

GaryDis · Sep 1, 2015

flicx said:
Disneyworld only product its a big fat fail

A number of posts have made that point.

I have to point out what ought to be obvious: If the initial vision had intended it for all the parks, they would have started out with Disneyland or one of the foreign parks. Disney isn't known for taking huge risks with their parks. Why would they do WDW first instead of a much smaller trial at DL?

Or just consider the tiering. Why just two parks? The tiers are to compensate for problems at those specific parks. If it's understandable that tiers may only make sense at some parks, why is it a huge leap to believe that FP+ might only make sense at some parks?

There are huge difference between WDW and the other parks, and no reason to believe that they all need the same exact FastPass system.

3DisneyFanz · Sep 1, 2015

GaryDis said:
A number of posts have made that point.

I have to point out what ought to be obvious: If the initial vision had intended it for all the parks, they would have started out with Disneyland or one of the foreign parks. Disney isn't known for taking huge risks with their parks. Why would they do WDW first instead of a much smaller trial at DL?

Or just consider the tiering. Why just two parks? The tiers are to compensate for problems at those specific parks. If it's understandable that tiers may only make sense at some parks, why is it a huge leap to believe that FP+ might only make sense at some parks?

There are huge difference between WDW and the other parks, and no reason to believe that they all need the same exact FastPass system.

I think the answer is simply that they don't need rationing systems at the other parks because there are enough attractions people are interested in. Sure they could have invested that money in new attractions at WDW help solve that problem but they already have a lot of things people weren't using so they decided to try and push "new to you" experiences. Onviously Journey Into Imagination has seen a big boost thanks to pushing people towards it and that was their hope for MK as well. Why ride Space Mountain twice when you can see the Country Bears. You wanted to ride 7dmt but all the FP are gone and the wait time is through the roof well check out Swiss Family Tree House where the peak is way higher than what you'll find on a silly kids ride.

3DisneyFanz · Sep 1, 2015

Mkrop said:
Well it wasnt for him...he doesnt read any of this stuff. He thinks I am crazy reading here like I do until I give him some of the tips and they work And we did not get an anytime FP , the CM added an actual FP+ for the Mine Train on our MDE account. And DH had tried again before he called. I was out of the loop for that particular trip and he took the lead booking it. He could not believe that when he got on at midnight at 60 days that they were all gone when WDW advertises the ease of this new system, so he called them on it. He called and said that is was unacceptable that he did what he was told by them and he could not get a FP when in the past he was able to walk into any park at rope drop and get a FP, sometime multiple FPs. The CM apologized that DH did not like the new system and put the FPs on our account. DH did not rant and rave but his tone was certainly WTH, he is in sales so he can convey that and be completely even toned...lol unlike me!

Then for our next trip I once again could not book the FPs so he went on with the tip of working from your last days backwards and it worked. Then he was glad that I read here lol!

I'm not saying that's what you guys did but what you received is the standard response to the complaints now. Disney is well aware of the issues but they also know that giving the FP makes people happy and they will ignore a lot of other issues because they got the FP. Some people are using this to their advantage.

Davey Jones II · Sep 1, 2015

Mkrop said:
Well it wasnt for him...he doesnt read any of this stuff. He thinks I am crazy reading here like I do until I give him some of the tips and they work And we did not get an anytime FP , the CM added an actual FP+ for the Mine Train on our MDE account. And DH had tried again before he called. I was out of the loop for that particular trip and he took the lead booking it. He could not believe that when he got on at midnight at 60 days that they were all gone when WDW advertises the ease of this new system, so he called them on it. He called and said that is was unacceptable that he did what he was told by them and he could not get a FP when in the past he was able to walk into any park at rope drop and get a FP, sometime multiple FPs. The CM apologized that DH did not like the new system and put the FPs on our account. DH did not rant and rave but his tone was certainly WTH, he is in sales so he can convey that and be completely even toned...lol unlike me!

Then for our next trip I once again could not book the FPs so he went on with the tip of working from your last days backwards and it worked. Then he was glad that I read here lol!

How is it even possible that all the FP+ slots could be locked up when you logged in the second your window opened? It has to mean that some software-savvy cheats (and yes, I have no problem calling a spade a spade in this case) are gaming the system. And what does it mean when Disney can compensate you by giving you the FP+ reservations when you call to complain? It means that they hold some of them back, probably because they know full well that some people are gaming the system.

This system should not be a crapshoot. Worse, it should definitely not be a rigged carny game. And if Disney becomes aware that certain unscrupulous people are gaming their software, it would be high time to cancel their MDE accounts and freeze them out of the FP+ system. Or are they going to let the cheats just keep shafting the rest of us?

Robo · Sep 1, 2015

Davey Jones II said:
1. How is it even possible that all the FP+ slots could be locked up when you logged in the second your window opened?

2. It has to mean that some software-savvy cheats (and yes, I have no problem calling a spade a spade in this case) are gaming the system. And what does it mean when Disney can compensate you by giving you the FP+ reservations when you call to complain? It means that they hold some of them back, probably because they know full well that some people are gaming the system.

1. My response is "60 days, plus length of stay."
2. It does not "have to mean software-savvy cheats..."

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