PetePanMan
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incident is bizarre and embarrassing. I can't believe at the end how everybody seems to just get on with their day like nothing happened. "Need to get moving so we don't miss our ADR"
3 Women get into a brawl at Test Track
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Disneychick75
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What were they supposed to do? From the video, it looked like no one was hurt. No one was killed. What would you have done?
It's crazy that something like that went down at Disney. Though, I have seen something similar.
Two years ago, me and my family were in MK on NYE. For some insane reason we actually tried to traverse to the central hub to catch the fireworks, and this was made even more complicated in that we were sporting a stroller. In the end we decided to do an about face and try to get out of the hub. We could definitely see the upset faces as we tried to manuever through, but as soon as they realized we were trying to get out they kinda allowed us to do so. Just before truly getting out of the crowd I heard towards the corner of my eye some woman screaming, and managed to catch the image of some dude, throwing a full on punch to someone else. My wife immediately told me to "GET OUT HERE...NOW!!" and we broke free of much of the crowd as we saw several Disney Security guys travel fast to the source of the commotion.
It's incredible that people can lose their patience that much in Disney. I know that Disney isn't the perfect bubble we would love it to be, but I always held it in my mind that it generally made most people behave in the "nicest and most polite" versions of themselves.
In all honestly would I would be a little upset that someone "cut in front of me"...sure...but it isn't worth all the hassle to try and argue for any length of time about it. I might say a word or two to express the thing, but then I'd leave it at that, and maybe just continue to sport a grim face at them. Course, that's just me and I couldn't say what I'd do if someone actually started physically assaulting me with my kids around.
Two years ago, me and my family were in MK on NYE. For some insane reason we actually tried to traverse to the central hub to catch the fireworks, and this was made even more complicated in that we were sporting a stroller. In the end we decided to do an about face and try to get out of the hub. We could definitely see the upset faces as we tried to manuever through, but as soon as they realized we were trying to get out they kinda allowed us to do so. Just before truly getting out of the crowd I heard towards the corner of my eye some woman screaming, and managed to catch the image of some dude, throwing a full on punch to someone else. My wife immediately told me to "GET OUT HERE...NOW!!" and we broke free of much of the crowd as we saw several Disney Security guys travel fast to the source of the commotion.
It's incredible that people can lose their patience that much in Disney. I know that Disney isn't the perfect bubble we would love it to be, but I always held it in my mind that it generally made most people behave in the "nicest and most polite" versions of themselves.
In all honestly would I would be a little upset that someone "cut in front of me"...sure...but it isn't worth all the hassle to try and argue for any length of time about it. I might say a word or two to express the thing, but then I'd leave it at that, and maybe just continue to sport a grim face at them. Course, that's just me and I couldn't say what I'd do if someone actually started physically assaulting me with my kids around.
PetePanMan
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so it would only impact you if someone was killed? Not in my world. I think it would be pretty upsetting and I don't think I would just carry on like nothing happened... "Hey kids, what next?"
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Well what are you supposed to do then? I would probably think about it and tell friends and family about it but it wouldn't make me leave the park and feel distraught or something.
PetePanMan
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tough crowd...sounds like this is day to day stuff for some
Its not for me but I am just wondering what else there would be to do. What would you do?
PetePanMan
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my point is somebody didn't need to "be hurt or killed" as per one of the posters in order to have it impact your plans. I would also say this...I don't think I would just continue in line (as one party did) or leave for another line (as the other party appeared to have done) and have day go on as planned as if nothing happened. I don't know what happened and who started what but if I got assaulted without cause I would be looking to have that party removed from park as a minimum. After that I would also probably want to chill out a bit, go for lunch or drink etc.
Disneychick75
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No, don't be ridiculous. My point was were the people in line supposed to go to therapy or something? There was a fight. It was over. The End
MakiraMarlena
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Wait a minute. If the media is talking about an unknown suspect they will definitely mention the suspect's race because they want that suspect found. If they are talking about a known suspect and the cops haven't apprehended him/her yet, they will put up a photograph if they have one regardless of the suspect's race. If the media have a photograph of someone who shot up a public place, even if that person is now dead and no further threat, they will publicly release the photo no matter what race the shooter was. If you have a video of three women beating on each other in the Test Track line it is not racist to put it on the page and say hey look, some women got in a fight in the Test Track line. What is racist is to say oh yeah, look at their race, people of that race are bad. And it wasn't an issue whatsoever until the above post was made.
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minnie mum
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I have to agree with Rteetz and some of the others. I am not going to allow something like witnessing an incident like this to adversely affect the remainder of the day. No one was injured in this exchange. Im not such an emotionally fragile flower that I'm going to have a case of the vapors just because I saw a few people engage in a scene of aggressive behavior. Peter Pan Man, you weren't the victim of an assault in this case either. So are you really saying that just seeing this would require "chilling out"?
From what I have read, the parties directly involved were not allowed to just carry on, but were ejected from the park. They're lucky charges weren't pressed.
Disneychick75
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Are you talking about the brawlers or the people in line who witnessed the incident? I was posting about the non brawl participants.
Both sets of fighters were escorted from the ride at different exits. I didn't see what happened to them once the video ended. Had I been involved, I could not have gone on as though nothing happened. Some places said they were made to leave the park while others said they weren't. I would have left but that's me.
They were not ejected from the park.
minnie mum
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You are correct. I found a news article that stated they were escorted out of the ride, and that an Orange County Sheriffs officer was called in. Too bad that no charges were laid.
littleblackegg
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Just because they were not ejected from the park doesn't mean they were not strongly encouraged to leave the park. There are many ways to get disruptive customers to leave an establishment without telling them to leave. Just the presence of law enforcement will often get people to leave "on their own." These are cleverly worded statements. Disney has a lot of skin in this game. Who knows how they spun it? I very much doubt they were just allowed to wander around the parks unsupervised after that. They were probably given options that seemed "lose-lose" to them and left.
PetePanMan
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sorry if I was confusing, I was speaking of the brawlers not those that witnessed it.
hopeful4fl
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If I were running a business like Disney (and yes... I personally would have retired 
), I would have liked to protect my brand. One way to do that, specially the persona that Disney presents, would have been to eject BOTH parties and released a statement to that effect. That sends the positive message that is needed by people who actually come to Disney to have family time, rather than play Ice Hockey.
Yes, I am being harsh. However, it takes 2 hands to clap. The video is not clear who initiated the issue, but what is clear from the statements of the bystanders is this was not an incident between either party being gracious and taking the high road. A lot of situations can be diffused by simply NOT letting idiots come to the point of physical altercation and being the better person.
), I would have liked to protect my brand. One way to do that, specially the persona that Disney presents, would have been to eject BOTH parties and released a statement to that effect. That sends the positive message that is needed by people who actually come to Disney to have family time, rather than play Ice Hockey.Yes, I am being harsh. However, it takes 2 hands to clap. The video is not clear who initiated the issue, but what is clear from the statements of the bystanders is this was not an incident between either party being gracious and taking the high road. A lot of situations can be diffused by simply NOT letting idiots come to the point of physical altercation and being the better person.
Disneychick75
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Once I read the underlined, I thought maybe I had misunderstood your meaning. Yes, no way I would have gone on as though nothing had happened.
Josh Hendy
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Did you think that nobody got hurt just because you didn't see gushing blood or somebody's limbs come off? How about bruises, scrapes, black eyes and possibly broken ribs? You might not feel hurt in the moment because of adrenaline, but you're going to feel the affects of a tussle like that afterwards.
An umbrella was whacked 2 or 3 times on somebody, hard, and the umbrella didn't break. Meaning that unless the umbrella struck a railing, somebody's body (head or shoulders) absorbed the impact of a solid object which was swung like a club. That's called a "wooden shampoo".
After that, I saw a windmill of punches thrown by 2 or 3 people in a melee, and people were grabbing and pushing each other. Maybe bumping hard into the railings with somebody's full weight thrown against them. You don't come out of a brawl like that without getting banged up.
In other words it was a pretty serious breach of the peace. It's not like this a football game or Mardi Gras or something with thousands of drunken adults around where you should feel lucky if you can defuse things and keep people moving along, it's a family amusement park. You can't have that. (Why do I even have to say that?) If Disney management and security didn't deal with it very firmly, like investigate the incident, get names and addresses, and take steps to eject and permanently ban any and all troublemakers, then it doesn't say good things about the way they run things.
Disneychick75
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Got it straightened out. I thought the poster was talking about those in line but he meant the brawlers.
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