Disney Ethics - another WWYD? Thread

Judique said:
I agree also. No line cutting.

I once had a couple of women in front of me while I was standing waiting to get on Buzz Lightyear with my young child. Two men showed up and stepped right in front of us to join the two women. I said something about it and they were rude back to me. They didn't care - they were a self serving group.
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Wasn't it rude to say something to them in the first place?
 
I'l be honest - there are times we've lied about a kid's age at WDW. Never to get free/cheaper admission or meals, but to get the adult dining plan rather than the child's plan for a 9yo who wasn't content with kids' meals (once during free dining, once when we were paying full price for the plan) and on this last trip to let my kids ride together without an adult (DD was about 6 weeks shy of "legal" to accompany her little sister, who was 4 weeks shy of being able to ride alone; I can't do spinning rides and don't feel any guilt at all over sending DD13 to accompany DD6 on the tea cups and carousel).

We sort of do the Southwest thing. I'll pay for early bird for 2 of us and choose window/aisle in the same row knowing that no one is going to choose the middle seat between us. Then my youngest gets that middle seat and the rest of the family fends for themselves (two of my three are old enough that they don't need to be near me/DH when we fly), and I know youngest DD will be in a row with me and DH or one of the older kids so she won't be bothering anyone when she drops her crayons on the floor 10 times or sprawls into the seat next to her when she dozes off.

I don't have any problems with people needing to leave lines for a potty emergency (esp. if it involves a young child or pregnant woman, where the need may strike suddenly/urgently). It isn't a situation that's ever come up for us but I wouldn't be angry about it if it happened when I was in line. Saving seats is a matter of common sense, IMO - saving space for someone who ran to get a snack or took a disruptive/impatient kid for a walk, fine; saving space for your whole football team, not so much.

The rest are pretty solid "no". If you want to use a resort's amenities, pay to stay there. Occupancy rules exist for a reason (and I say that as mom of three kids who is occasionally frustrated by the fact that 1-bedrooms sleep exactly as many people as studios with half the sq footage). Phantom guests are just nonsensical - who needs *more* dining credits?!? - and booking a throwaway room messes with other guests' ability to book their vacations. I draw the line at lying to get something for nothing, whether that is free dining credits or the child's price on a ticket or a deluxe level pool or parking location while paying a value resort price.
 
Ethical issues on my last trip in May, DVC member stayed at Poly.

Sign says, "no alcohol in hot tub." A party of 5 adults in hot tub with beer and mixed drinks holding space to watch fire works from MK, I would guess this was not the first drink this party had. Hot tub is over capacity by at least 6 people. Disney CM comes by and does not say or do anything.

Resort guest sitting right outside pool fence smoking a joint. (No smoking area). (I have asthma, smoke this close is not a good thing.
 


EvieBug said:
Thank you for your perspective. That 'waiting until your entire party is assembled and enter the line together' can in fact mean that we don't get to meet and greet, which I think is unfortunate. It's less about beating out one of two families and more about not missing the chance to meet Anna and Elsa while at the Magic Kingdom as these events are not running all day like a ride. I think it's possible these expectations also lead to the way people now 'game the system' as outlined above, trying to secure their 'must do's' by hook or by crook.

I can't say I agree, though I am appreciative of your response!
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There is no reason you have to miss a meet and greet if you time it right. Work in enough time for a potty break say 15 minutes or so before the meet and greet starts and you will be there on time without potty issues. If the little one is holding everyone up pick them up and move faster. Not that I would have issue if others join their family unless the lines are thin and hard to get to where the other part of your party is so others are shoved aside to get past.
 
I have never done any of these things and would not care if others do them as long as I am not being pushed or shoved it's not effecting me in any way I would stress. I have had to wait for a table in restaurants and figure it is something that happens at times. That is why we try to eat at off times to miss the crowds. To me Disney is all about patience and accepting that others don't do things the same way I would choose to do them. I actually enjoy seeing odd things being done and waiting to just watch other peoples reactions to them at Disney. lol I choose to see it as none of my business and if Disney says it's against the rules and does something about it that is their problem not mine.
 
Is it ethical to:
  • Lie about your child's age in order to get a cheaper ticket? Or cheaper dining? Or *free* adult dining? Or to avoid paying the extra adult fee for the room? Or to be able to have a 5th person in the room without having to move up a resort level?
No. This just messes up the pricing system.
  • Have more people in the room than what Disney allows? What if it's a DVC villa that allows more people for DVC members but not for people staying on cash?
No. There are various reasons why a hotel needs to know how many people are staying in a room, and DVC doesn't excuse it either.
  • To have a phantom person registered in your room in order to get more *free* dining credits? How about more than one phantom?
No. Never. This is flat out theft.
  • Make throwaway room reservations so that you can book FP+ at 60 days out? Or using a second MDE account for your current reservation so that you can use the MBs from a previous visit to make a second set of 3 FP+ on the day of?
No. This just screws up the FP+ system.
  • Take a seat at a QS location but eat the food that you brought into the park? If you don't agree, would it make a difference if the person doing this bought a soda at the QS location? Does it make a difference if the restaurant is crowded and the people who purchased meals there cannot find a seat?
Yes. Seating is free and should be available. It is a "park" after all.
  • Cut the line to meet up with the rest of your party? Does it make a difference whether it's a group of Brazilian teenagers or a mother who took her toddler to the bathroom?
Yes. It does make a difference. 1 or two people is fine, 40 is not. That's just rude.
  • Purchase one Early Bird Check In on Southwest and then save seats for the rest of your party? What if it's only one other person for whom you are saving a seat? Or two? If you're okay with saving some seats but not a lot, how many is too much?
Don't know, don't fly Southwest.
  • Save spots at Fantasmic! or a parade for members of your party that haven't arrived yet? What if it's because they were riding another attraction while you saved the spots? Is it a different answer if it's because a parent was taking a child to the restroom or dealing with some other need? What if it's because the family has a child who would become disruptive while waiting, so the parent left with them to keep them distracted until closer to show time so that they didn't negatively impact the people around them?
Yes. Saving spots is fine in my view, within reason. This harkens back to the "cut the line" question. Saving 2 or 3 seats for your wife and kids (or husband and kids) is vastly different than saving 40 seats for a tour group.
  • Pool hop? Ever? Or only if you're a DVC member and only specific resort pool? What if you have friends/family staying at the resort you're hopping to?
No, not ethical. But, I think it's a silly policy for Disney to have.
  • Park at DtD or a resort parking lot in order to avoid paying for parking? What if you have an ADR at the resort? Or if you're an onsite guest but that resort's lot is more convenient (i.e. CR's lot is great for getting out after Wishes or YC/BC lots are great when IllumiNations is done)? Does paying for valet parking make it okay?
Yes, that's fine. Especially for AP holders and locals. Disney should address this situation (and not with just more parking garages).​
 


NJMomto2 said:
Thanks. I respect everyone's opinions regardless. I never say anything to people if I perceive something to be a choice that I would not make.

I teach my kids how I would choose to act/react and what I feel are fair actions. It is the best I can do. Other than that, we ignore others actions, smile, and say good afternoon etc.
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I agree I would never say anything to anyone and I do allow anyone to push by me it does not happen that much.
 
Tinkerbelljean said:
Ethical issues on my last trip in May, DVC member stayed at Poly.

Sign says, "no alcohol in hot tub." A party of 5 adults in hot tub with beer and mixed drinks holding space to watch fire works from MK, I would guess this was not the first drink this party had. Hot tub is over capacity by at least 6 people. Disney CM comes by and does not say or do anything.

Resort guest sitting right outside pool fence smoking a joint. (No smoking area). (I have asthma, smoke this close is not a good thing.
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This - particularly the last part - sounds less like ethics and more like law violations to me. I don't have asthma but I don't want people smoking pot near me at Disneyworld for heaven sake. Gross.
 
tnklvr said:
There is no reason you have to miss a meet and greet if you time it right. Work in enough time for a potty break say 15 minutes or so before the meet and greet starts and you will be there on time without potty issues. If the little one is holding everyone up pick them up and move faster. Not that I would have issue if others join their family unless the lines are thin and hard to get to where the other part of your party is so others are shoved aside to get past.
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Someone upthread said it already - but the reality is that you can take a kid for a potty break every 1.5 hours or whatever your schedule deems, but that doesn't mean you can force body waste out of said kid at said time. Kids - like adults - need to go when they need to go.

I probably should have avoided this thread, hahaha, because there are a lot of behaviours I find unethical or just plain obnoxious especially at Disneyworld, but it's part of dealing with other humans. Everyone has different triggers. To the single parent who might have to step out of line to take her kid to potty? All it would take for me to let you back in is a heads up before you go and I'd definitely let you back in. I've watched bags for single parents at the airport who have to take their kid potty - parenting is tough enough, we don't have to make it harder on each other. Just saying.
 
I wouldn't do any of those. I'm a rule-follower, and if a rule is there I assume it's there for a reason.

When my kids were little, if one had to go the restroom while we were in line I would get out of line and take them while my DH rode with the other kids. We'd just miss that ride.
 
Marionnette said:
Taking a cue from another thread, I thought that I would pose some Disney-related ethical questions. Feel free to add your own. But please be respectful of one another's opinions.

Is it ethical to:

  • Have more people in the room than what Disney allows? What if it's a DVC villa that allows more people for DVC members but not for people staying on cash?
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We have 8 people going on our trip next month. I have booked 2 rooms with 4 people in each but we will have 5 in one room and 3 in the other. Is it unethical for us to do that?
 
I have 2 more Disney Ethics senerios that I didnt see discussed before...
  • If you have the extra room (for ex 1 adult and 2 kids traveling) adding a friend who wants to go the following year to your room reservation and book a bounce back for them, even though technically they are not really there.....?
  • Have your family check in on the day your friend checks out... and have your friend upgrade their kids tickets and have your kids can use their tickets and bands... after all, kids are not finger printed, correct?
 
daughtersrus said:
We have 8 people going on our trip next month. I have booked 2 rooms with 4 people in each but we will have 5 in one room and 3 in the other. Is it unethical for us to do that?
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Probably not since you're paying the same amount of money. But there may be a probably with fire regulations. And I've heard housekeepers are supposed to look for extra guests in the room.

Are they connecting rooms? You'd probably get by with that.

laceyinwonderland said:
  • If you have the extra room (for ex 1 adult and 2 kids traveling) adding a friend who wants to go the following year to your room reservation and book a bounce back for them, even though technically they are not really there.....?
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No, I don't think that's ethical. The perk is more for returning guests. Something the friend is not.

laceyinwonderland said:
  • Have your family check in on the day your friend checks out... and have your friend upgrade their kids tickets and have your kids can use their tickets and bands... after all, kids are not finger printed, correct?
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I wouldn't touch this one with a ten foot pole.

Here's another scenerio:

Family of four stays in a DVC with room for six. Another family of four stays offsite. The DVC family adds the other family's two children on their reservation so the kids can get the magic bands, 60 day FP+ and other perks.

And another one not so blatent: Family of four stays in an offsite condo with room for six. Two of their friends are staying at an offsite hotel. The family adds the couple on their reservation so their friends can use the condo pool.
 
Lie about your child's age NO UNLESS YOU ARE LYING AND UPPING THEIR AGE AND PAYING FOR AN ADULT EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE STILL A KID

Have more people in the room than what Disney allows? NO

To have a phantom person registered in your room in order to get more *free* dining credits? NO. YOU'D HAVE TO BUY AN EXTRA TICKET WHICH IS MORE THAN PAYING OOP FOR SOME EXTRA FOOD, NO ETHICS INVOLVED THAT'S JUST DUMB.

Make throwaway room reservations so that you can book FP+ at 60 days out? NO TOO MUCH WORK FOR A COUPLE OF EXTRA RIDES.

Take a seat at a QS location but eat the food that you brought into the park? I WOULD IF IT WASN'T BUSY OR IF I WAS BUYING AT LEAST A DRINK

Cut the line to meet up with the rest of your party? JUST ME OR ONE OTHER PERSON YES, BUT A GROUP NO


Purchase one Early Bird Check In on Southwest and then save seats for the rest of your party? I WOULD NOT BUY ONE THEN SAVE SEATS FOR OTHERS, BUT I HAVE BOUGHT TWO AND THEN WHEN I ADDED A THIRD FLYER LATER ON I DID NOT GET A EBC FOR HIM, AFTER ALL HE'D BE TAKING THE MIDDLE SEAT AND NO BODY IS REALLY FIGHTING FOR THOSE.

Save spots at Fantasmic! or a parade for members of your party that haven't arrived yet? YES I WOULD

Pool hop? NO BUT I'M NOT A POOL PERSON AND WHO WANT'S TO DRAG YOUR CRAP AROUND TO ANOTHER RESORT/POOL

Park at DtD or a resort parking lot in order to avoid paying for parking? NO TO AVOID PAYING (PLUS IT'S WAY TO MUCH HASSLE TO DO THAT) BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PARKING AT OTHER RESORTS (EITHER WITH AN AP OR AS AN ONSITE GUEST).

LOOKING BACK I REALIZE I DON'T HAVE GREAT ETHICS, I'M JUST LAZY. :tilt:
 
aprilchem said:
I wouldn't do any of those. I'm a rule-follower, and if a rule is there I assume it's there for a reason.

When my kids were little, if one had to go the restroom while we were in line I would get out of line and take them while my DH rode with the other kids. We'd just miss that ride.
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Agreed. Sometimes the reason the rule exists is for safety. Those rules I am more likely to obey. Sometimes the rules exist so the company can suck more money out of my pocket. Those rules I am more likely to ignore.
 
Marionnette said:
What age is the cut-off for "potty forgiveness"? Is it okay for a parent and 4-year-old? What if the child is 8? What if it's a teenager leaving the line by himself and then wanting to rejoin his friends? Is it okay if you're a pregnant woman but not for a grown man?

Again, we're talking situational ethics. Is it always okay to leave the line and then be able to rejoin your party, regardless of the age or circumstance? Or is only okay for some people?
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Amen!!
and that's the problem when folks start bending rules. I have a family reunion this August, if I'm in line with 7 kids can I have my son take the kids out of line and go to the bathroom then everyone get back in line?? and remember, rarely is leaving a que at the world a 3 minute process, now by the time you get back you've got 10, 15 or more people you jump in front of.


Pool hopping is another that gets me. I pay for where I want to stay, I pick the resort for the amenities including the pool. If you want to use the pool at WL than that's where you book.
 
if someone has to use the bathroom before you get in line. you all should wait until they are done. you can't REJOIN a line you were never in. but! I have NO problem wahtsoever with someone who was ALREADY in line leaving to use the bathroom and returning.

using the tables with food you brought in? only if it is a slow time.. if there are people walking around with trays of food and no where to sit...nope.

saving spots for fireworks/parades. again within reason.
and anyone can order kid's meals if they want. and adults can split an entree. or order an appetizer.
 
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