5 Epcot Rumors (A Disney Rumors video is on pg. 6)

JDGrage · Jul 4, 2015

Honestly they can update the parks but in the long run maybe seeing about opening another park would be a more viable option. like a star war theme park with avatar and marvel super heros area. just my opinion.

Dfan79 · Jul 4, 2015

JDGrage said:
Honestly they can update the parks but in the long run maybe seeing about opening another park would be a more viable option. like a star war theme park with avatar and marvel super heros area. just my opinion.

Why would they build a 5th park when 3 of their 4 current ones are still unfinished? Hollywood is awful and Animal still doesn't have enough sections and rides.

rteetz · Jul 4, 2015

Dfan79 said:
Why would they build a 5th park when 3 of their 4 current ones are still unfinished? Hollywood is awful and Animal still doesn't have enough sections and rides.

Animal kingdom is a glorified zoo basically. I love that park but the main purpose of the park isn't about rides.

rteetz · Jul 4, 2015

JDGrage said:
Honestly they can update the parks but in the long run maybe seeing about opening another park would be a more viable option. like a star war theme park with avatar and marvel super heros area. just my opinion.

Marvel can't come to WDW.

JDGrage · Jul 4, 2015

rteetz said:
Marvel can't come to WDW.

well technically the following " Avengers, X-Men, Spider-Man and Fantastic Four franchises" can not go to WDW. but other Marvel franchises can.

Dfan79 · Jul 4, 2015

rteetz said:
Animal kingdom is a glorified zoo basically. I love that park but the main purpose of the park isn't about rides.

Yeah, I agree it is a zoo, but they could do and will do more with it.

I'm just saying that Hollywood and Animal deserve to be finished before they start making a new park. Disney's got to stop spreading out how long they construct and refurb. They should do what Universal does and pay up front.

The problem is that they want the park goers to pay for the attractions. That's why it takes so long for them to open things. Except of course resorts.

King Triton · Jul 4, 2015

They need to bring back the original Imagination ride with Dreamfinder and Figment. Also, bring back an updated version of Horizons.

rteetz · Jul 4, 2015

JDGrage said:
well technically the following " Avengers, X-Men, Spider-Man and Fantastic Four franchises" can not go to WDW. but other Marvel franchises can.

Yes but many others aren't big enough for major attractions.

rteetz · Jul 4, 2015

Dfan79 said:
Yeah, I agree it is a zoo, but they could do and will do more with it.

I'm just saying that Hollywood and Animal deserve to be finished before they start making a new park. Disney's got to stop spreading out how long they construct and refurb. They should do what Universal does and pay up front.

The problem is that they want the park goers to pay for the attractions. That's why it takes so long for them to open things. Except of course resorts.

AK will be finished in 2017. DHS has never been a full theme park. That park was fast tracked from the get go to beat Universal to the punch. The reason they take so long to build attractions is because they want them to be across multiple fiscal budgets. That will save them money in the long run.

rteetz · Jul 4, 2015

King Triton said:
They need to bring back the original Imagination ride with Dreamfinder and Figment. Also, bring back an updated version of Horizons.

Keep dreaming.

I could possibly see dreamfinder come back but it would definitely not be the old ride. Disney doesn't revert back they try to upgrade and do better.

Josh Hendy · Jul 4, 2015

rteetz said:
AK will be finished in 2017. DHS has never been a full theme park.

I disagree that AK will be finished in 2017, if you mean that it will be a complete theme park. Even with 2 more rides that will only bring the total up to 8.

Let's compare it to similar parks ...

SeaWorld has 8 rides by my count, and in 2017 SeaWorld's 9th ride (Mako) will have been already operating for a year.

Busch Gardens Tampa has 14 rides. The railway and skyway in BG bring the total to 16. I count them as rides because you can actually see animals from them, but I don't count the AK train because it goes nowhere and shows you nothing.

I count 11 rides at USF ... actually 11.5 for its share of Hogwarts Express. 12.5 by 2016 when Kong will be open. The total for IOA is 15.5. I'm counting all the kiddie rides but not the 3D movies.

Magic Kingdom clocks in at 22 rides.

So in 2017 AK will still be behind SeaWorld in rides, and SeaWorld is a park that many consider to be a bit of a train wreck, ethically and financially.

It will be about 1/2 a park compared to Busch Gardens and the Universal Parks.

And it is only 1/3 of a park compared to MK, which is the gold standard for Orlando theme parks and the one whose admission costs EXACTLY the same as AK. Four great parks ... ????? Disney has to try a bit harder.

rteetz · Jul 5, 2015

Josh Hendy said:
I disagree that AK will be finished in 2017, if you mean that it will be a complete theme park. Even with 2 more rides that will only bring the total up to 8.

Let's compare it to similar parks ...

SeaWorld has 8 rides by my count, and in 2017 SeaWorld's 9th ride (Mako) will have been already operating for a year.

Busch Gardens Tampa has 14 rides. The railway and skyway in BG bring the total to 16. I count them as rides because you can actually see animals from them, but I don't count the AK train because it goes nowhere and shows you nothing.

I count 11 rides at USF ... actually 11.5 for its share of Hogwarts Express. 12.5 by 2016 when Kong will be open. The total for IOA is 15.5. I'm counting all the kiddie rides but not the 3D movies.

Magic Kingdom clocks in at 22 rides.

So in 2017 AK will still be behind SeaWorld in rides, and SeaWorld is a park that many consider to be a bit of a train wreck, ethically and financially.

It will be about 1/2 a park compared to Busch Gardens and the Universal Parks.

And it is only 1/3 of a park compared to MK, which is the gold standard for Orlando theme parks and the one whose admission costs EXACTLY the same as AK. Four great parks ... ????? Disney has to try a bit harder.

Ok yes AK will be more complete not finished no Disney parks are ever finished. However AK is not all about rides. Yes once avatar it will have 8 rides but they have excellent shows, the animal treks and other experiences throughout the parks. Like I said before it's more of a glorified zoo not a park for rides. Also with those two new rides they will add a night time show and a night time safari.

TwizzleMouse · Jul 5, 2015

tlmadden73 said:
They all sound reasonable. Epcot has lost (is losing) it's "edutainment" theme and they want more exciting attractions to draw people there (and away from the MK). Mission Space, Test Drive, Finding Nemo .. they are moving away from that attraction by attraction. People aren't going to Orlando Florida to be educated. (Don't get me wrong .. I enjoyed the old Epcot . .but I was an elementary school age student then and it was exciting and new ... for adults (or people who already have gone0.. not so much).

With the announcement of Frozen taking over Norway ... it would only make sense that they would continue to ditch the "educational" aspect of the World Showcase and add more "Disney-fied" attractions to the showcase. It will seem out of place if it is the only "Disney" themed WS pavilion.
It would draw people with little kids to Epcot (lessening the strain on the MK)

So .. having a French Rataouille or UK Alice in Wonderland would make sense (and frankly I wouldn't mind it .. after the first time through .. I always found the World Showcase boring simply due to lack of attractions (let's admit it .. how many of us routinely skipp the pavilions without an attraction?). Let's face it .. the reason most adults like the World Showcase is the drinking and food (which could still be retained with Disney rides).

Muppets going to World of Imagination? They will want to KEEP and boost their Muppets presence with the last two movies and rumored new show .. and it is pretty obvious they are closing down the back half of Hollywood Studios (Backlot tour gone, Frozen theater change) .. Muppets and the two nearby restaurants are the next victims to prep for a Star Wars land expansion.

Really .. if the resort could handle the crowds, they should just shut down Epcot for a year to update it all at once. Imagine that grand re-opening rather than the slow death we are seeing in Epcot and DHS.

No offense, I see a lot of what you are saying here, but really. They will never shut down all of EPCOT to update it, and FWIW not everyone goes to EPCOT to ride things, and eat and drink. Some of us rare individuals actually still like what is left of the educational and cultural experiences there.

Princess Jes · Jul 5, 2015

Josh Hendy said:
I count 11 rides at USF ... actually 11.5 for its share of Hogwarts Express. 12.5 by 2016 when Kong will be open. The total for IOA is 15.5. I'm counting all the kiddie rides but not the 3D movies.

Kong is going into IOA isn't it?

rteetz · Jul 5, 2015

Princess Jes said:
Kong is going into IOA isn't it?

Yes

Josh Hendy · Jul 5, 2015

rteetz said:
Ok yes AK will be more complete not finished no Disney parks are ever finished. However AK is not all about rides. Yes once avatar it will have 8 rides but they have excellent shows, the animal treks and other experiences throughout the parks. Like I said before it's more of a glorified zoo not a park for rides. Also with those two new rides they will add a night time show and a night time safari.

I still think it's a great park and I will visit it on every trip to Orlando. The additions are great.

But when compared to the other "it's a zoological experience not an amusement park" parks (SeaWorld and Busch) AK is lagging in the ride department and will keep on lagging for the foreseeable future. I think it has everything to do with the magic of Magic Your Way passes and nothing to do with zoology.

To tell the truth, Busch doesn't try very hard to present itself as a zoological experience, and apparently SeaWorld is evolving away from the zoology toward being more rides less whales. But that's because they don't have Magic Your Way driving customers to them. They simply have to appeal to a broad public on their own dollar-for-fun equation and AK doesn't have to. To put it cynically, it's the "half park for half price" equation.

Remember when the slogan for AK was "Nodazoo"? Meaning, wink, wink, it's really an amusement park. Now it should be, "Ohyesitzazoo" ... 'cause if it's supposed to be an amusement park, we're in trouble!

:rotfl:

Dfan79 · Jul 6, 2015

As long as those cheapskates get rid of Captain EO sometime this year I'll be happy. It seems like Disney keeps obviously bad attractions around (like EO and Stitch) just so they don't have to spend any more money.

mvk · Jul 6, 2015

If you don't go to WDW two or three times per year, then the Animal Kingdom is for sure a full day park, and will be even with extended hours once Avatar is complete.

Avatar Banshee ride
Avatar Boat ride
Avatar walking trails (most likely better as nighttime experience)
Festival of the Lion King
Kilimanjari Safaris
Nighttime Safari
Pangani Forest Trail
Kali River Rapids
Maharajah Jungle Trek
Expedition Everest
Flights of Wonder
Finding Nemo musical
Primevil Whirl
Dinosaur
Tough to be a Bug
Rivers of Light

That leaves out experiences like the Affection Section/Conservation Station, the Tree of Life trails, TriceraTop Spin, Discovery Island trails, and character meet and greets.

I think most people would be hard-pressed to fit the above list into one day, along with a QS meal and TS meal and a couple of meet and greets. That's a full day of pretty high level attractions, which you'd most likely want to see/do if you aren't going to WDW a few times per year.

circus4u · Jul 6, 2015

mvk said:
If you don't go to WDW two or three times per year, then the Animal Kingdom is for sure a full day park, and will be even with extended hours once Avatar is complete.

I think most people would be hard-pressed to fit the above list into one day, along with a QS meal and TS meal and a couple of meet and greets. That's a full day of pretty high level attractions, which you'd most likely want to see/do if you aren't going to WDW a few times per year.

One thing about Animal Kingdom, I think that it is the hottest park of the four. The very thing that makes it appealing to some people, the vegetation, obstructs a lot of air flow. Also, I think many of the major paths around the park are too narrow and obstruct flow of people.

And for me only, I spent too many of my military years in locales similar to Animal Kingdom. The "theme" in most places is too realistic and claustrophobic for my tastes and there are only a couple things there that we do enjoy. So on our trips, we probably spend no more than two or three hours tops in Animal Kingdom.

Josh Hendy · Jul 6, 2015

mvk said:
If you don't go to WDW two or three times per year, then the Animal Kingdom is for sure a full day park, and will be even with extended hours once Avatar is complete.

...[list of attractions]...

I think most people would be hard-pressed to fit the above list into one day, along with a QS meal and TS meal and a couple of meet and greets. That's a full day of pretty high level attractions, which you'd most likely want to see/do if you aren't going to WDW a few times per year.

I agree there's a lot to see at AK but even for people who have been there just once, or who have been there several times like my family, there is no desire to see some of those attractions for a second, third, or fourth time.

For example nobody in my family ever asked to repeat Finding Nemo or Tough to be a Bug. We've seen Flights of Wonder at least three times and we're at saturation point, especially if the script hasn't changed at all in 15 years. We re-ride Dinosaur and Primeval Whirl on every visit not because we really like those rides, but just to kill time waiting for FP times for Everest.

So I think it's a full-day park for newbs, and the new rides and nighttime activities will draw repeat visitors into the park for a little bit longer, at least until they've seen the activities once. But AK is and will remain deficient in the thing that excites me and my family the most ... rides. Not deficient compared to DHS and Epcot, but compared to MK, both Universal parks, Busch Gardens and even Seaworld.

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