Shanghai Trouble?

Reddog1134

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Spirit over on WDWMagic posted some interesting info about Shanghai Disneyland.

-- Upon wheels down in Shanghai, TWDC was informed the CCP's designated media/apparatus would control all appearances and access would be "as indicated" by hosts/escorts.

-- In keeping with China's previous and consistent position, no pictures would be allowed for release nor could the Disney characters be brought on-site "for purposes of propaganda" with security and safety issues cited.

-- Iger and Staggs were told they lacked "proper certification" to be allowed to walk the construction site or be present for the topping off from the park.

-- On May 19, Disney Chairman and CEO Robert Iger was given a tour of the Disney Store Shanghai. His escorts were told no photographs would be allowed aside from the government assigned team memorializing the visit [to China and not only the store], and this was told to Mr Iger.

-- Shortly after the visit to the store, it was learned through the hosts/escorts that Mr Iger has taken pictures and posed for "propaganda purposes" in the store. The photograph of Mr Iger holding the stormtrooper was viewed and "ordered to be destroyed." Later, hours prior to the scheduled opening of the store, the picture was leaked.

-- Disney assured its hosts the picture was not intentionally released and would not be used.

-- Shanghai officials in charge of the store opening determined on the morning of May 20 that no representatives of TWDC from Burbank would be allowed and Iger and Staggs "were held" at their hotel for just then scheduled "essential meetings" concerning "grave matters."

-- It was negotiated that no Disney presence would be "potentially alarming" to the business community and bode poorly for the future of the relationship between TWDC (Western businesses operating in China) and Greater China, so officials agreed to abbreviated terms. Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse would be allowed, no other characters. Paul Candland, just in from Tokyo, would be the only "named" executive of TWDC at the opening.

-- Less than 25 "official guests" were in attendance with Mr Candland being the sole representative of Disney. Comments indicating this was Disney's "arrival in the Chinese mainland" would be tempered and were edited by the local authorities assigned to the propaganda team for the SHDLR project (several of whom came from the official news agency, Xinhua).

-- Candland had some difficulty with the script which had only been presented to him immediately prior to the appearance. The focus on children, girls and young families was "problematic" for Candland as it was not consistent with Disney marketing or comments Disney would make.

-- The photograph of the twin dragons with the Disney Store in the background was deemed to be "the appropriate" photograph for circulation in China and elsewhere.

-- No distinction was made between Shanghai Disney Resort, a partnership, and the Disney Store in Shanghai, an entity owned entirely by TWDC.

-- Disney's Iger and Staggs were not on the manifest for the premiere of Tomorrowland, but they were expected. This was not a concern for the officials as it was seen as appropriate and desired for a Western studio head to appear on the red carpet for such an event and reinforced the import of China and the Chinese market to the West.

-- China made it known Disney's introduction to the Chinese mainland would be within the context of the resort and its foundational material (IP?) belonging to "the people of China." TWDC would not be allowed marketing control of the resort or its opening ceremonies and would have "limited administrative" input.

-- As of this visit, a plaque consistent with what appears in each Magic Kingdom will not be part of Shanghai Disneyland. Such a marker would "not be consistent" and "confuse and conflict" visitors who do not know of Walt Disney and will be invited in the state-directed propaganda to "their" park. Shanghai Disney Resort is not intended to be marketed as a destination except for the people of China.

Full post: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/a-spirited-perfect-ten.894588/page-877#post-6723999
 
From the get go the design of this park is different than any other Disney park before it. They won't have a Main Street. Now they won't have the plaque referencing Walt Disney because the Chinese don't know who he is. I highly doubt Disney would do this deal again if they knew what they do know.
 
Aloha,

Did anyone reasonably expect anything different from the Chinese? People need to wake up and realize just what kind of governments control and run Russia, North Korea, Iran and China. Suppression and lack of basic freedom in business and personal life is routine. China and the other dictatorships rule with an iron fist. I feel so very sorry for their citizens. They deserve a better life. As for Disney, they should have known better to get involved in China. The potential market was just too much for them to ignore. Unfortunately, they thought a little pixie dust would open doors in China...they were stupid not to learn from history. Iger and his followers should have invested that $$ in DLR and WDW vice Shanghai.
 
It seems ridiculous. Do they know what Disney is? If so, how do they NOT know Walt? If they don't know Disney, then why would you want to build a park there?
Exactly. It seems like Shendi doesn't want full out control of the park because then they lose Disney if they need them later. So they will give Disney very minimal control just to keep them in. Also the point about characters not allowed in photos or whatever. What happens when the park opens? Disney characters are some of the most iconic images around especially Mickey. If they want to keep corporate Disney out and appeal to Chinese how is that possible if Disney characters are everywhere. I'm not certain of course but it's possible that the reason the castle isn't named after a princess is because that's what Shendi wanted based on what is going on.
 
I posted a news video of a look at Shanghai Disneyland in the news round up thread. Putting things together there was only one English speaking person in the video and I didn't know who she was. Also they seemed to be very limited in the areas they filmed.

Also it's important to point out based on what I've heard and seen that Chinese corporations or government is very hard to work with especially if it's not familiar with how they do things and it sure seems like Disney didn't know what was going to happen. This is nothing like HKDL.
 
Aloha,

Did anyone reasonably expect anything different from the Chinese? People need to wake up and realize just what kind of governments control and run Russia, North Korea, Iran and China. Suppression and lack of basic freedom in business and personal life is routine. China and the other dictatorships rule with an iron fist. I feel so very sorry for their citizens. They deserve a better life. As for Disney, they should have known better to get involved in China. The potential market was just too much for them to ignore. Unfortunately, they thought a little pixie dust would open doors in China...they were stupid not to learn from history. Iger and his followers should have invested that $$ in DLR and WDW vice Shanghai.

Right with you on the "should have invested in WDW" part. It's just that China (for a little while) looked like a really big up-and-comer, economically speaking.

It may still be in the long run, but I think what's happening right now is that Shanghai's Mickey is hostage to a political situation in the South China Sea. A situation that has almost nothing to do with coral reefs and sand bars, but everything to do with various governments needing to distract their own taxpayers from some pretty disastrous economic mismanagement. Please note the use of the plural.
 
From the get go the design of this park is different than any other Disney park before it. They won't have a Main Street. Now they won't have the plaque referencing Walt Disney because the Chinese don't know who he is. I highly doubt Disney would do this deal again if they knew what they do know.
It's shocking. The whole point of the park is to introduce Walt Disney to China. I mean that's the idea. Or at least that's what Disney thought. Shanghai could care less about Disney.

I'm going to assume there won't be a dedication plaque with Iger at the rate it's going. Those people don't know what they're missing though. Their park will omit the timeless words "Here you leave today and enter the world of yesterday, tomorrow and fantasy." It's almost criminal. It's not even a Magic Kingdom without them.
 
I posted a news video of a look at Shanghai Disneyland in the news round up thread. Putting things together there was only one English speaking person in the video and I didn't know who she was. Also they seemed to be very limited in the areas they filmed.

Also it's important to point out based on what I've heard and seen that Chinese corporations or government is very hard to work with especially if it's not familiar with how they do things and it sure seems like Disney didn't know what was going to happen. This is nothing like HKDL.
More than what ABC got though...
 
It's shocking. The whole point of the park is to introduce Walt Disney to China. I mean that's the idea. Or at least that's what Disney thought. Shanghai could care less about Disney.

I'm going to assume there won't be a dedication plaque with Iger at the rate it's going. Those people don't know what they're missing though. Their park will omit the timeless words "Here you leave today and enter the world of yesterday, tomorrow and fantasy." It's almost criminal. It's not even a Magic Kingdom without them.
That's one of the most troubling things. Will Iger even be present at the opening? Will there be a media event for the opening with anyone other than Chinese media companies? We have no idea.
 
Mainstreet, to the average Chinese person, is living in a controlled, censored environment run completely by the government. The guiding principles of Disney World / Land are a completely foreign concept to the majority of its citizens. Do what you're told to do, and everything will be fine. That really goes against some of the key philosophies (imagination, innovation, fantasy, future/tomorrow, yesteryear, etc.) that you experience upon visiting a traditional Disney park.

I think guynhawaii and Josh summed things up pretty well in posts #3 and #7. The (potential) $$$ opportunity within China was simply too hard to ignore (nevermind the fact that like most of Disney's capital expansion... they're quite late to that particular dance). Coupled with the recent political climate, this reaction on the government's part doesn't really come as much of a surprise to me.
 
I think both the management... And Largely the Disney fanbase as a whole...was lured Into a false sense of security when they went Into this.

The incorrect belief was that this would be a natural progression from Hong Kong... And possibly even Tokyo...

This is like a Disney park built on Mars. It's no way similar to anything we've seen. Hong Kong was run like wales on steroids until 10 years ago...and the US built Japan from the isotope tainted ground up...

I don't think the Chinese like the US or it's companies at all. The relationship is completley self serving. And there is a large concern that Disney will not play well on the mainland. This is precarious At best.

But I don't think it's about a financially successful park at all. It's a PR/showpiece for the Chinese government and about cheap factories and tariff policies for the mouse.

This is basically an authoritarian state...they just like money way more than the Castros.
 
That's one of the most troubling things. Will Iger even be present at the opening? Will there be a media event for the opening with anyone other than Chinese media companies? We have no idea.

Honestly...none of us should care...

The notion that these Chinese parks are somehow affecting the parks in the western world is ridiculous...except when they use it as a financial excuse stateside. (The torpedoes are armed on that one... They'll just wait for Red October to make its move)

The reality is they're two completely different worlds.

Now of you care only for Disney's stock price and the future of state sponsored Chinese development deals...have at it.
 
Honestly...none of us should care...

The notion that these Chinese parks are somehow affecting the parks in the western world is ridiculous...except when they use it as a financial excuse stateside. (The torpedoes are armed on that one... They'll just wait for Red October to make its move)

The reality is they're two completely different worlds.

Now of you care only for Disney's stock price and the future of state sponsored Chinese development deals...have at it.
Why shouldn't we care? Disney should of course be investing in the rest of their parks and instead 5.5 billion is being put into this park taking away from the rest.

This project is making Iger look foolish. Yes they are two different worlds but one company that is putting money into the project. They put in a mysterious added 800 million not too long ago that was supposed to go to new attractions. Do you think it went to that? No.
 
Why shouldn't we care? Disney should of course be investing in the rest of their parks and instead 5.5 billion is being put into this park taking away from the rest.

This project is making Iger look foolish. Yes they are two different worlds but one company that is putting money into the project. They put in a mysterious added 800 million not too long ago that was supposed to go to new attractions. Do you think it went to that? No.

I figured this would be the visceral reaction...

But the reality is that the lack of a shanghai wouldn't have brought much more net gain to Cali and Florida...

If anything...you wound have seen more investment in dcl and DVC...more ships and developments.

They have made their approach with domestic parks clear...they will go big only when "break the glass" is called for...highly rationed/measured otherwise.
 
I know this has already been brought up but I think it deserves emphasis once more. You know where you don't have these problems. FLORIDA.

Florida's defining moment was April 15, 1998 + 2 years...

And the exit of Eisner - who many of us had mixed feelings on but realized that it could be as bad for parks as good.

I just didnt know at that time that Orlando was viewed as being broken, on the incorrect course, or a "financial liability"...
And thats how it's been treated since.

Kinda the anti Eisner effect...who really embraced the blessing of size in Orlando and acted more like Disneyland was small potatoes.
 

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