I wonder if Pete (and others) have changed their minds?

Princess Jes · Apr 21, 2015

I was listening to an episode from 10/10/12 (show recorded in London) and right towards the end, someone from the audience asked something along the lines of alcohol in MK at BOG (which I'm not sure had opened yet?) and Pete was very animated about how against it he was because he didn't want drunk enough fools in the park.

I wonder whether now that it has been open for a while, whether Pete, or any of you who opposed it and go to MK frequently have changed their minds? They don't have a full bar there and they don't serve a large array of alcohol (I don't believe?) so I can't imagine there would really be many people who are getting really drunk off a few glasses at dinner?
Has anyone noticed an increase in drunkenness in MK related to BOG?

Venaros · Apr 21, 2015

I haven't experience BOG dinner yet, but I haven't noticed any intoxicated people in MK. I personally am glad BOG offers alcohol. And I'm also glad the only offer it with dinner.

kbelle8995 · Apr 21, 2015

I can't speak for the crew. I doubt that Pete has. I don't want it to move beyond BOG dinner. There are three other parks that have alcoholic offerings and resorts do as well.

Spaceace5150 · Apr 21, 2015

I was against it but was probably wrong. I haven't seen any bad results. It is a far cry from Epcot...

OKW Lover · Apr 21, 2015

I was against it and still am. No, I've not experienced any negative effects from it. I haven't seen any positive effects either.

disneysteve · Apr 21, 2015

OKW Lover said:
I was against it and still am. No, I've not experienced any negative effects from it. I haven't seen any positive effects either.

I think the main objection was the "slippery slope" argument. Once you open that door, you can't ever close it again.

I haven't seen any problems either, but I still wish they would have kept MK alcohol-free.

I'll see Pete this weekend. If I remember, I'll ask him his opinion.

HubbDave · Apr 21, 2015

I'm not sure what positive effects the average park goer would see...it was a revenue grab plain and simple

I don't think they need to add it at any other location but I'm sure it will happen

disneysteve · Apr 21, 2015

HubbDave said:
it was a revenue grab plain and simple

We'll never get an answer to this question, but I wonder how much additional revenue it really generates. I'm sure BOG would be just as packed and just as hard to get into if they didn't serve alcohol. I don't think anyone goes there simply because they can get a glass of wine with dinner.

HubbDave · Apr 22, 2015

Of course, but they get more income from selling a $6 beer or a $9 glass of wine than a $3 soda.

I'm sure they did surveys/research showing customer demand that pointed them towards serving it

I really would not mind if alcohol at BOG went away but I doubt it will. The big question now will be if it spreads. Tequila at Pecos Bills?

DisneyKevin · Apr 22, 2015

disneysteve said:
I think the main objection was the "slippery slope" argument. Once you open that door, you can't ever close it again.

This is just not true.

The "slippery slope" argument is and always has been a fallacy.

Disney can and does change their policies frequently...usually due to "guest demand".

Disney can always open a door and then close it again just as quickly.

I think wine and beer was added to BOG to give it an "upscale" feel.

disneysteve · Apr 22, 2015

DisneyKevin said:
This is just not true.

The "slippery slope" argument is and always has been a fallacy.

Disney can and does change their policies frequently...usually due to "guest demand".

Disney can always open a door and then close it again just as quickly.

I think wine and beer was added to BOG to give it an "upscale" feel.

That makes sense. Very true that Disney can change policies freely. I guess what I meant was that it's easier to have a blanket policy of "no alcohol in MK". Once you change that policy and have one location in MK that serves alcohol, it becomes easier for the powers that be to say something like, "Well, since we have it at BOG and it hasn't been a problem, let's add some craft beers to Casey's or Chianti to Tony's or..."

GAN · Apr 22, 2015

DisneyKevin said:
I think wine and beer was added to BOG to give it an "upscale" feel.

I'll buy into that -although I never really looked at it that way. And then again, how could we expect them to ignore "guest demand".

JimmyV · Apr 22, 2015

DisneyKevin said:
I think wine and beer was added to BOG to give it an "upscale" feel.

Exactly. Nothing more complicated than that. Fine dining is almost always accompanied by wine. And once they introduce wine, beer has to follow. One may or may not view BoG as "fine dining". But the message here is that BoG (at dinner) is a step above anything else in the MK. What mystifies me is why they have not gone the same route with CRT at dinner. Seems to me that a glass of wine served in a nice crystal stem would fit right in to that environment.

Weev · Apr 22, 2015

I personally think that if one is concerned about guests getting plastered in the parks, those guests who are inclined to get plastered aren't going to let a lack of availability stop them - they'll just sneak it in.

Cherinva · Apr 24, 2015

I don't agree with it at all, and No I didn't see any effects when I was there. I just don't think alcohol belongs in the MK...just like I don't think that Starbucks belongs on Main Street (and I am a huge Starbucks lover) Just my opinion.

Oodalally13 · Apr 24, 2015

Truth be told, I'm more surprised they still have smoking sections. It seems to me people I know would rather alcohol be allowed everywhere but not smoking. I'd rather be around a sober person with a cigarette/cigar/etc than a blathering drunkard. But I do enjoy a nice fruity adult beverage at Epcot and tune in lounge in HS. Haven't tried anything at AK and don't care for wine or beer.

disneysteve · Apr 25, 2015

For those who are wondering, I discussed this with Pete last nite. No, he has not changed his opinion. He accepts it, but still wishes they hadn't done it. He thinks they should have kept MK alcohol-free.

Princess Jes · Apr 25, 2015

Thanks Steve! Like I said, I was just curious as to what people thought now that it's been open for a good while now.

GAN · Apr 25, 2015

disneysteve said:
For those who are wondering, I discussed this with Pete last nite. No, he has not changed his opinion. He accepts it, but still wishes they hadn't done it. He thinks they should have kept MK alcohol-free.

...I agree. I'll boycott it and just "head" to Trader Sam's when I need my fill.

SorcererHeidi · Apr 25, 2015

disneysteve said:
For those who are wondering, I discussed this with Pete last nite. No, he has not changed his opinion. He accepts it, but still wishes they hadn't done it. He thinks they should have kept MK alcohol-free.

Thanx for asking, and for reporting back, Steve. I'll totally agree with Pete - in my opinion - it's just one more "legacy piece of Walt" that could have been left well enough alone. It brings to mind something I say about various things in life all the time - "Just because you CAN, does not mean you SHOULD".

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