Germanwings Plane Crash - French Alps

There needs to be an alternate procedure, that allows an authorized person to override the pilot(s) in an emergency situation.

Yeah, but what if that person (that can override the pilots) is the psycho next time...then they would be saying people shouldn't be able to override the pilots. I just think a previous poster was right that there is just no way to eliminate risk 100%. Unfortunately all mechanical objects and the people that operate them stand a chance of "breaking"...this case is horrific and I feel so bad for those passengers...and the pilot who knew more than anyone what was going on but he could not get inside. He sounds like a hero in my book, at least he tried to be. Same thing.
 
It's being reported, that investigators made a "significant discovery", during the search of his home. They said, it was NOT a suicide note, but wouldn't reveal anymore details .
 
Yeah, but what if that person (that can override the pilots) is the psycho next time...then they would be saying people shouldn't be able to override the pilots. I just think a previous poster was right that there is just no way to eliminate risk 100%. Unfortunately all mechanical objects and the people that operate them stand a chance of "breaking"...this case is horrific and I feel so bad for those passengers...and the pilot who knew more than anyone what was going on but he could not get inside. He sounds like a hero in my book, at least he tried to be. Same thing.
There has to be an alternative.. No way, one person should/ could have control. Especially, someone with so little experience and history. It's really unsettling...
 
I was wondering why they couldn't do either a finger print/ or voice recognition system to enter the cockpit.
 


There is a lot of detail here about how the cockpit door locks work

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ue-cockpit-post-9-11-safety-led-disaster.html

and it looks as if one airline is already changing their policies since this has either happened or been suspected of happening in other crashes

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cal-new-changes-wake-Germanwings-tragedy.html

It sounds as if the conversation was normal up until they discussed their landing plan, then the copilot seemed to get crass suddenly, then locked the pilot out, etc. So unclear if this was planned or if he just flew off the handle suddenly. It is being reported he had a history of stress related problems. So scary. (I hate to fly anyway! And sorry if this was already brought up, I haven't read the whole thread.)
 
thats assuming it was a suicide... but many ask, why such a slow decent? if u want to commit suicide, go uber fast decent, not some slow decent
honestly, suicide seems the most plausible right now...

A slow decent would not cause alarm in the passengers. Reporting was that only at the end was there screaming heard from the passengers. If the pilot was screaming while beating on the door and the ground was quickly approaching????

I wouldn't be surprised if the copilot lit up a joint, plugged some ear buds in to listen to his favorite tunes and just closed his eyes. That's why there was no noise and normal breathing.
 


There has to be an alternative.. No way, one person should/ could have control. Especially, someone with so little experience and history. It's really unsettling...

thats why there is a pilot and a co-pilot flying the plane. In the US, if the pilot needs to go to the bathroom, a flight attendent must sit in. This rule doesnt apply in europe though, but many companies today have announce this new policy after this incident.

only solution i can think of is hire google and make planes fly automated...
 
There will never be a way to prevent this type of thing 100%. As others said if they had a way to override the door then that person could be the one intent on destroying the plane, if a flight attendant stepped in they could easily be incapacitated. Also I'm going to guess a pilot or co-pilot could do quite a bit to sabotage a plane before a flight attendant was even able to notice.

My job does work with security systems. Systems are designed to try to protect for an insider threat (someone who legitmately has access but is intent on destruction or theft) but there is only so much that can be done.

One of the biggest ways to prevent insider threat access is to have 2 person control on items at all times, but even if you found a way to have perfect 2 person control in a cockpit that still leaves the possibility of either incapacitating the second one or recruiting a second person to the cause.
 
There's no fool-proof method to foil someone, but if this particular company had been using the 2-person method like US carriers do, it's possible this tragedy could have been avoided.
 
He's just a victim like everyone else on that flight. All he did was go to the bathroom and panic when he figured out was going on. No heroes here, sadly, just victims.

My opinion-- Not only are your comments untrue, but they disrespect the valiant effort of Captain Sonderheimer. Yes, he went to the lav. But panic? Ummm..no. He died trying to access that cockpit. It's on the tape.
 
My opinion-- Not only are your comments untrue, but they disrespect the valiant effort of Captain Sonderheimer. Yes, he went to the lav. But panic? Ummm..no. He died trying to access that cockpit. It's on the tape.

What else would he do? He was the only one who knew what was happening and that the pilot (him) was not in the cockpit.
 
I wonder if there would be a call to return to the day of three person cockpit (pilot, co pilot, flight engineer)? That way, there would ALWAYS be at least two people up there.

The reason there isn't is economics, pure and simple. The bean counters at the airlines have determined that it cost more to have that extra person in the plane. The question is how much? A fifth year first officer, makes 120K working for Delta (topping out at $245,000 per annum). Figure the "fully loaded" cost to the employer (with all employer paid taxes, benefits, etc) at 175,000. Pilots work 15-20 days per month. Figure 15 to be conservative That means per day of flying $975. Assume two flights per day, 125 passengers per plane (conservative IMO), that means that 975 is spread among 250 passengers, or less than $4 per passenger.

How many of us would be willing to pay $4 more for our flight to greatly, greatly minimize the chance that this happens again? Heck, I'd be willing to pay $10 more. I think the flying public is beginning to see the roosters come home to roost, so to speak, on what happens when we (collective we) signal our demand to fly for less and less money. And, cost being THE deciding factor on when/where we fly.

Raising my hand on my willingness to pay more.
 
What else would he do? He was the only one who knew what was happening and that the pilot (him) was not in the cockpit.
Gosh, there are quite a few articles available. But, no, he wasn't standing around in panic. He was doing everything possible to try to find a way around pure evil.

He repeatedly knocked, punched in the codes and utilized the phone system in the plane.

Bild reported this morning that the captain, Patrick Sondenheimer, also tried using an axe to break down the cockpit's armoured door as the plane descended into the Alps.
 
I don't see that having an extra person in the cockpit would be benefical. I think if someone is hell bent on taking a plane down a flight attendant wouldnt' stop anyone. An Air Marshal might be a different story.
 

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