Man banned from Disney World for life.

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I don't want to read all 5 pages, but has anyone asked or answered how a ban like this is enforced? Since the finger print scanners aren't actually reading your finger print (and you could just use another finger anyway) I doubt they would have any way of knowing it was him.
 
Why are we bringing back a two year old thread?
This has happened to a bunch of threads today/yesterday. Haven't figured out why...
how a ban like this is enforced?
Bans like this aren't really actively 'enforced'...nobody is usually looking for you. But if you are caught in the place you've been trespassed/banned from, the penalties are pretty stiff.

From what I understand, ordinary trespassing (being on / crossing private property) without permission is usually treated first with a warning. With a trespassing ban like this, you've already been warned, you know you've been told to stay away, and if caught in that place you'll be incarcerated.
 
Way back in the early 80's when there was only the Magic Kingdom, I remember when I was in high school on a band trip our band was in the afternoon parade. I remember when we were back stage getting ready to go onto the parade route, we were told, absolutely no pictures were to be taken. If anyone was caught taking pictures, their camera would be confiscated. Well, one of our band members took a few pictures, and guess what - they had their camera taken from them, the film was removed from the camera, and they were given the camera back, and warned if they do it again, they would be removed from the park.

They were very serious about things like that back then!

That is the exact threat we got in 97 and 94 at both MK and Epcot!
 


Somebody asked how a ban would be enforced. Essentially, it cannot be enforced if by enforce you mean physically stopping this person from entering any Disney property. This person could buy tickets with cash, have a friend purchase, etc. and use a different finger. The Dis firgerprint scanner is not an entirely foolproof system. Even if every finger was scanned by Dis at the time of his banning (which is doubtful and not required by law - he can legally object to a private party requiring any ID) the system is not foolproof and there are very easy methods of circumventing the scanners.

But by law we can see the legal ramifications. It is a first degree misdemeanor.

810.08 Trespass in structure or conveyance.—
(1) Whoever, without being authorized, licensed, or invited, willfully enters or remains in any structure or conveyance, or, having been authorized, licensed, or invited, is warned by the owner or lessee of the premises, or by a person authorized by the owner or lessee, to depart and refuses to do so, commits the offense of trespass in a structure or conveyance.
(2)(a) Except as otherwise provided in this subsection, trespass in a structure or conveyance is a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(b) If there is a human being in the structure or conveyance at the time the offender trespassed, attempted to trespass, or was in the structure or conveyance, the trespass in a structure or conveyance is a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
 
He moved to Anaheim and goes to Disneyland like several times a week now.Disney was right to ban him but the lifetime portion is definitely harsh,I think he's learned his lesson as his videos now are just showing and talking about places,no more breaking rules.I think in a year or two he should write them a letter to see if they would lift the ban,which I think they should.
 


He moved to Anaheim and goes to Disneyland like several times a week now.Disney was right to ban him but the lifetime portion is definitely harsh,I think he's learned his lesson as his videos now are just showing and talking about places,no more breaking rules.I think in a year or two he should write them a letter to see if they would lift the ban,which I think they should.
I agree. He clearly loves Disney and while he have made some mistakes, there is no malice in this guy. Quite the opposite in fact. A lifetime ban for this is way too harsh.

He still goes into forbidden places but from what I've seen they are clearly abandoned and unguarded. He doesn't seem to fool with Disney in any capacity now.
 
That is the exact threat we got in 97 and 94 at both MK and Epcot!

Interesting. All the RunDisney races run backstage at some point in at least one of the parks. For example, during the half and full marathons, the route goes out behind Splash Mountain right where the parade enters. Nothing is stopping anyone from taking pictures while they run through there. Surprised they would be so harsh to some kids in a band waiting for a parade.
 
I watch his videos and wasn't aware this even happened. I guess he got what was coming to him. Nice for him to take the risk and show us things most people dont get to see though.
 
I love watching the videos on Youtube of people sneaking around the Abandoned River Country. Its so eery and spooky seeing it just abandoned and left for nature to take over.
 
Do a Disney Run and you run through a good bit of backstage areas. No trespassing, no one will stop you from taking a picture in all honesty and yeah, its still just a lot of grey walls and dumpsters.
 
Way back in the early 80's when there was only the Magic Kingdom, I remember when I was in high school on a band trip our band was in the afternoon parade. I remember when we were back stage getting ready to go onto the parade route, we were told, absolutely no pictures were to be taken. If anyone was caught taking pictures, their camera would be confiscated. Well, one of our band members took a few pictures, and guess what - they had their camera taken from them, the film was removed from the camera, and they were given the camera back, and warned if they do it again, they would be removed from the park.

They were very serious about things like that back then!

I was thinking the same thing! My hs band marched in a parade at the MK in 2003 and we were allowed to change and prepare in a backstage area behind the POTC ride. We were given a VERY serious debriefing before they took us back there. No one in my party took any pictures though. It really wasn't nearly as exciting as I thought it would be. We did see one character w/ her head off. :eek:
 
I saw this guys videos one day while browsing around info about Universal Studios. He had gotten back into the old Nickelodeon Studios area.

Two things struck me .

1. How amazingly immature he is. Is that the only way to get subscribers on youtube these days? Act like a complete *** clown? Pretend to be oh so random? I really disliked his shenanigans.
2. If they don't enforce the rules for him, then they are asking for tons of copycat trespassing. He has a few thousand subscribers. They see him get away with it, and so they think they can get away with it. And unfortunately, the more trespassers that show up, the higher the chance of vandalizing and looting.

This guy was making a living off trespassing. The apologists in this thread for his behavior obviously don't understand the full implications that Disney faces, from both a liability stand point and from a reputation stand point.

I'm glad he got banned for life. Hopefully it discourages others from trespassing and acting like asshats.
 
I saw this guys videos one day while browsing around info about Universal Studios. He had gotten back into the old Nickelodeon Studios area.

Two things struck me .

1. How amazingly immature he is. Is that the only way to get subscribers on youtube these days? Act like a complete *** clown? Pretend to be oh so random? I really disliked his shenanigans.
2. If they don't enforce the rules for him, then they are asking for tons of copycat trespassing. He has a few thousand subscribers. They see him get away with it, and so they think they can get away with it. And unfortunately, the more trespassers that show up, the higher the chance of vandalizing and looting.

This guy was making a living off trespassing. The apologists in this thread for his behavior obviously don't understand the full implications that Disney faces, from both a liability stand point and from a reputation stand point.

I'm glad he got banned for life. Hopefully it discourages others from trespassing and acting like asshats.
I'm not an apologist generally but I do like this guy. If you don't I respect that but that makes no difference to my opinion of him.

Also, he has far more followers than subscribers. If you check, many of his videos have hundreds of thousands up to a million views. I guess that those people are all goofy in your view but apparently none of them are breaking into places in Disney parks. And while there is always that worry of vandalizing and looting from anyone, urban explorers don't do that. They just take photographs. Any that cause damage are not urban explorers.

Finally, I believe in tolerance and forgiveness. I would never try to justify anyone breaking the law but I don't believe in permanent punishments either.
 
It's noteworthy that before he was banned, a news report showed what he and his friends did. They were then asked when they would stop doing what they were doing. Adam said something like, "I don't think there's any reason to stop. I don't think what we're doing is wrong."

I was going to say that the copycat concern was the biggest reason he was banned, but that statement may have been the final straw.

I personally wouldn't mind if they permitted him back under the provisions that he would not bring/hold cameras of any type and he would not venture into unauthorized areas or encourage/enable others to do so. But I can also certainly understand Disney's stance on the issue, and would not be surprised if the ban sticks for life.
 
I wouldn't be upset if he was allowed back, but it should definitely be on a "no more warnings" level.

As far as the number of views his videos have, I tend to dislike most of the popular youtube channels. Ever seen the most subscribed to Youtuber? PewDiePie? He is very similar to Adam in that he constantly makes "quirky" remarks and his entire shtick is to be "random". If you look at these guys fan pages, it is generally the tween/teen demographic that is consuming this stuff. So sure, they aren't OLD enough to trespass and vandalize because they can't go yet, unless they are with mom & dad, and that sort of makes it hard.

Now I get that I am generalizing here and that some of PewDiePie and Adam the Woo's fans are adults. People can enjoy whatever humor they want, that's not what I'm complaining about. But it is a fact that the MAJORITY of these youtube viewers are younger. So whether or not they grow up to try similar stunts is to be seen. Maybe they won't, but maybe they will. And maybe banning Adam will scare some of them into not attempting something that is illegal and could possibly end up injuring themselves.

The simple fact is, if Disney allows him to do this and doesn't step in, then they encourage others to do it. And others WILL do it. At one point an abandoned amusement park in El Paso, TX called Magic Landing became a popular destination for "urban explorers". For the first year or so the visitors were just taking pictures. But as websites featuring these pictures got more and more views, the type of people going became a lot more varied. Now people were actively stealing things. Others were lighting fires. Smashing things. Within 2 years the place had 3 or 4 reported fires and almost everything in the pictures originally taken had been destroyed or was stolen. Eventually the land owner had to demolish the entire site to prevent this behavior.

The EXACT same thing happened at the New Orleans Six Flags after Katrina. At first it was just urban explorers. Then vandals, arsonists, thieves, and all sorts of others showed up.

I have been following various urban explorer sites for over 10 years. Essentially, every time a location has become well known, it has become over run with people who destroy the site. As far as Adam goes, it starts with a person going into the Universal backlot because they loved Nickelodeon studios when they were a kid. They get excited when they see the old signs and paint jobs. They check door handles to see what is open and flip switches to see what is still on (Adam does this EVERY time he sees a switch, faucet, anything - he starts messing with it). At that point your messing with stuff that you may not fully understand how it works. Maybe you turn the faucet and nothing comes out now, but later maintenance turns the water on (assuming all the faucets are off) and that area starts flooding because the drainage is backed up after several years of neglect and they didn't realize that some suburban kid with a camcorder acting like a clown was turning faucets on and off in an effort to get hits on youtube. The fact is, he isn't just walking around looking - he is touching things and messing with things.

Eventually someone comes through that loved Nickelodeon (in this case example) so much that when they see something that isn't nailed down, they decide to take it as a souvenir. In their mind no one is using this stuff anyways, and it has meaning to them, so why not. It's not malicious, but it's still theft. As the number of visitors expands, eventually you get someone who can't get a door open so they start trying to kick it in. This behavior continues until things break, are stolen, or someone is hurt. In all three cases, Universal is losing something. Whether its property or money due to liability. This WILL happen because this ALWAYS happens when people are allowed into abandoned/closed places.

So no, it's not cool for Adam to do this. Because others WILL do it. Every single other abandoned location that people can get to goes down hill as soon as there isn't someone there to block people from entering. And in every single case, the more people who visit, the quicker the location is destroyed. In this case, both Disney and Universal are active entertainment spots for families with HUGE reputations to protect. They have even more to loose than some owner of an abandoned tract of land with a derelict park sitting on top of it.

If some kid gets backstage at Disney and hurts himself, Disney looses money. They loose money if the kids gets hurt because of liability. They loose money from lost visitors who think Disney isn't safe because they heard a biased report on their facebook page about Disney ALLOWING children to roam backstage, etc. You simply can not allow this type of behavior. The fact that I find Adam's sense of humor to be juvenile is completely unrelated. Even if he conducted himself like an adult and didn't feel the need to announce his activities like a spastic child, it would still go against everything I stated above to allow him to roam around back there with his camera.
 
I love how we rename actions to rationalize them and make them more palatible by calling it "urban exploring" instead of trespassing; just sounds so noble then. If he's that smart...and not an idiot...then guess he knew he was where he was not supposed to be, either legally or morally. Maybe not an idiot, just a fool. Can't have it both ways; my 11-yo tries to play that game at home. Sorry, we shouldn't have to tell you everything you shouldn't be doing...it's called "respect." However, I'm sure the ACLU will step in sometime soon since Disney is obviously becoming the bad guy in the picture.

Hope they will stick to their guns, but will give it a year until the headline reads "Man Banned From Disney 'For life' Is Welcomed Back Into Magic Kingdom."
 
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