New TV... UHD ????

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Black Friday is upon us.. And I really noticed one of the SAMSUNG Curved UHD televisions when we happened to be out shopping.

Maybe it is time for a better TV!!!!

Anyhow, I am not a real Techie...
Do you need to pay for updgraded programming to really benefit from the Ultra High Def.?

Don't know of we need the 'Curved' TV. But I wonder if we would really love having a new UHD?

Thanks for any input!
 
There really isn't much you can watch in 4k (UHD) yet, but it is coming. If I were buying a TV in the near future it would definitely be 4K with HDR, but I'd probably want to wait another year for prices to really get reasonable.
 
Funny you should ask. Our tv died last week. We got a Samsung UHD from Best Buy. We didn't have a clue either & were unsure if which brand to get. Our last was a Sony which was supposedly the best available but only lasted about 3 1/2 years. Anyway 2
Different BB employees recommended Samsung. (DH had read that Samsungs were very good too). We didn't get the curved although it does look very cool, maybe we should have!

We went up in size tho-- 65" !!! It's huge! We don't have a very big family room either. The picture is amazing although a few times the back ground motion looked a little jumpy, I think that we just needed to get used to it. Watched hockey & football with no problems what so ever.

We had the Geek Squad set it up & we got a new sound bar too. We are going to have yhe tv calibrated. That is an extra service, but apparently when they do that, the color is even better. They come back a few weeks later to do that.

The only think we might need upgraded according to the salesman is our internet because it is a smart tv & might need better service to stream movies from Netflix etc. We still need to check with our provider about that. So far, we're happy with the set.
 


I don't think there is any source material this is yet in UHD. You may want to look for that first.

There really isn't much you can watch in 4k (UHD) yet, but it is coming. If I were buying a TV in the near future it would definitely be 4K with HDR, but I'd probably want to wait another year for prices to really get reasonable.
I believe Netflix and Amazon have 4k (UHD) content. You will definitely pay for any programming. You'll probably need a new DVD player to take advantage of the capacity.

OP, you also don't say now what you're watching. Cable? Satellite? OTA? Streaming?
 
UHD Blu Ray players are still about a year out, the first models have been revealed at trade shows, but they aren't due to ship until next year.

I know in Canada, Rogers Cable has announced they plan to start to roll out 4k cable boxes in Metro Toronto soon. They plan to broadcast Toronto Blue Jays games in 4k next year. So 4k is coming, and if I were buying a new, large TV, I'd make sure it was capable of it.
 
Black Friday is upon us.. And I really noticed one of the SAMSUNG Curved UHD televisions when we happened to be out shopping.

Maybe it is time for a better TV!!!!

Anyhow, I am not a real Techie...
Do you need to pay for updgraded programming to really benefit from the Ultra High Def.?

Don't know of we need the 'Curved' TV. But I wonder if we would really love having a new UHD?

Thanks for any input!

UHD is either 4K UHD (2160p) and 8K UHD (4320p). Neither 2160p nor 4320p is broadcasted by live TV. DirecTV can give you some 4k content, but not regular broadcast tv. A small portion of YouTube content is currently in 4K. You can also get Netflix in 4K, assuming your Internet speed is fast enough. For stored media, you would also need a Ultra HD Blu-ray player.

Honestly, I wouldn't bother for a few more years.
 
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OP here...
Right now we have an OLD Sony.
It was the absolute best and newest at the time though, and it has been a great TV.
Getting to where it takes more than a few seconds to warm up and come on from a cold-start, though.

We have Dish network. Don't have Charter here at all.
Our internet service here really sucks. So, I don't even know about streaming.
I can't see that working.

I was thinking that this upgraded UHD content might be hard to come by.

Does the picture look better than most standard TV images? Even if it isn't really UHD input?

I also wonder if 120 is good enough.
SAMSUNG also has a 240 fast super-smooth available, for things like sports and faster action.
But, I don't think that is necessary at all.

I see one of these TV's on Cyber Monday for cheap.
But, I think it says it is a 60.
Can that even be right?
 
We're wondering the same. Sounds to us like the curved is not worth the upgrade (and even has some downsides), but UHD vs HD is our question. We're looking at possibly a 65" and I have the feeling in a set that large the difference will be noticeable (once UHD is more mainstream).
 
With respect to the curved screen, it's a gimmick. If you have folks viewing from off-center, the picture quality will suffer from their perspective. TV quality has improved quite a bit even in just the last few years. If your old set is ten years old, the new one may very likely be better, even with regular HDTV.

Getting a set calibrated by a qualified technician is very smart, most people don't want to fork over the bucks to have it done. A genuine calibration will probably run somewhere around $300-$400. I'm not sure the Geek Squad is qualified to perform this kind of work, it's likely they just tweak the picture a bit.
 
We are paying a few hundred for the calibration. And I do believe that the Geek Squad has employees qualified to perform this. The employees we have worked with have been very knowledgeable & been doing their jobs for years. "Big box" stores can have qualified employees too & can actually deliver the services they sell.
 
I also wonder if 120 is good enough.
SAMSUNG also has a 240 fast super-smooth available, for things like sports and faster action.
But, I don't think that is necessary at all.

Just had my DH explain this to me the other day. Just HIS opinion, keep in mind, but he really researches this kind of stuff. For example, he got an HDTV and Bluray player WAY before anyone else we know, Cost a lot because of that, but you could definitely tell the difference! Then improved technology came out, eventually 3D. He didn't pull the trigger on any of it.

Now we have UHD. He said not worth it, especially at the prices today. Not JUST because of the lack of content, but unless you're see the picture from a very close distance, hard to tell the difference. Actually, he said people would be amazed at how much content still isn't even 1080, it's still 720. Which is still HD. Plus, the stores calibrate the UHDs perfectly, so they look that much better when comparing to "regular" HD.

So, when all is said and none he is going to get a large (probably 70 in) HDTV (not UHD) bit it Must have 240- because there is a difference there between 120 and 240, especially for sports. (Or so he says.) He's reading all the reviews, but will end up getting the lowest cost unit that still has really good reviews.
 
The curved screen looks great when you're standing in a store in the middle of the curve. It is much less appealing in your house.

You can probably buy a decent quality 1080P now and a much better 4K TV in a couple years when(/if) the programming becomes available - for less than buying a current 4k TV. Like previously mentioned, the primary source for 4K programming - a UHD DVD player is still about a year away. Then you have more time until they start to build out their library beyond just the new releases.

Forget broadcast TV in 4K. Stations have been unwilling to dedicate enough bandwidth to even pass through the 1080P & 720P material they have now - and the result is severely downgraded quality.
 
Not JUST because of the lack of content, but unless you're see the picture from a very close distance, hard to tell the difference. Actually, he said people would be amazed at how much content still isn't even 1080, it's still 720.

All FOX and ABC programming - and all networks owned by them (Disney, ESPN, FX, NGC, etc) are 720p
NBC & CBS (USA, SyFy, etc) are 1080P

There's also a bunch of other stuff done to degrade the picture. Generally all providers reduce the bandwidth to the point just before you get noticeable breakups in the picture - but when a lot of info tries to get processed from an intense scene, it'll show up. Dish Network offers full 1080P programming - what they don't tell you is they reduce the resolution by a 1/3. How do they still call it 1080 (horizontal lines)? They reduce the 1920 vertical lines to 1200. So instead of getting 1920 x 1080, you're getting 1200 x 1080.
 
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Quick answer: Maybe, but consider a projector as well.

CNET article on UHD TVs

I recommend anyone considering a UHD tv to read this first.

Don't start there, because that article, which advises against 4K TVs, is from 2013. Start with CNET's 2015 article, "Why 4K TVs aren't stupid (anymore)", which explains that while the 4K resolution isn't likely to be noticeable, there are other new features that are worthwhile and which are easier to find in current 4K TVs.

Basically, when you wander through Costco/Best Buy/Sears/wherever, you're typically at 2 to 6 feet away from the screen, and you'll be able to see the difference in resolution. But when you get home, you're more likely to be at 9 feet away or more, and that's too far away to see a difference between 4K resolution and 1080p resolution. But in the meantime, the newest 4K TVs have better contrast (regardless of resolution), and they're getting cheaper. That means the 1080p TVs also have to become cheaper, and they do that by leaving out modern hi-tech features, such as the improved contrast. So if you're buying a TV, buy one with HDR for the better contrast, which means more likely than not, 4K. And don't worry about the lack of 4K programming, because you don't care, and may not even be able to tell the difference once it's available.

Which brings me to screen size and projectors. There are a lot of opinions about screen size, but a/v enthusiasts in general feel that most people buy smaller than they should. For some reason, the various calculators seem to either start with the screen size and compute viewing distance, or else they'll require both screen size and viewing distance and then tell you how you fare according to various recommendations (such as THX). The simplest one I've found is this one from Carlton Bale, but you'll need to scroll down past the spreadsheet section to get to the "If the spreadsheet is too complicated for you" section. If I plug in the 65 inches cited earlier, it tells you that for 1080p resolution (the most common), you need to be within 8 feet of the screen to fully appreciate all the detail. At 4K, you'd need to be within 4 feet. That doesn't mean that 4K at 8 feet will be bad, just that you won't be able to tell much difference between 1080p and 4K at 8 feet away. Also, this is one particular person's take on the various guidelines, so opinions and mileage may vary.

We have a 12 foot viewing distance, and I didn't want to deal with the weight of an 85 inch or bigger screen on the wall. But projectors have come way down in price, so we wound up with a 106" diagonal screen, and a BenQ 1070 projector. Yes, 106". The projector was about $700, and is still available from some sources, though the latest model runs $800 - $900, depending on where you get it. Add up everything - project, screen, ceiling mount (where we spent way more than necessary), HTIB (Yamaha receiver plus speakers), and electrician to run a power outlet to the ceiling, and it probably comes out to about $1500-1800 (the electrician did other work too, so it's hard to factor, and I don't remember all the numbers). That's not counting the blackout curtains, since we needed new curtains anyway. We have zero regrets - the huge screen is great.

There are gotchas around projectors that require doing your homework. The biggest problem is that the sort of high-end A/V places that know about projectors don't carry the inexpensive ones like we got, not because they're bad, but because they can't afford to sell at that price point.
 
All this talk of stuff I don't understand makes me yearn for the days of a HUGE 19" black & white TV screen in a cabinet that was an actual piece of furniture, complete with radio and record player. The 3 main networks, plus PBS, and three or four UHF channels. Either rabbit ears or an antenna rotator box on top of the set. The first unit I remember my parents having was something like this.



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All FOX and ABC programming - and all networks owned by them (Disney, ESPN, FX, NGC, etc) are 720p
NBC & CBS (USA, SyFy, etc) are 1080P

There's also a bunch of other stuff done to degrade the picture. Generally all providers reduce the bandwidth to the point just before you get noticeable breakups in the picture - but when a lot of info tries to get processed from an intense scene, it'll show up. Dish Network offers full 1080P programming - what they don't tell you is they reduce the resolution by a 1/3. How do they still call it 1080 (horizontal lines)? They reduce the 1920 vertical lines to 1200. So instead of getting 1920 x 1080, you're getting 1200 x 1080.
NBC & CBS are 1080i, not p. Also, just because the network is sending one format, doesn't mean the local station is using that format. As locals are squeezing more into the same bandwidth (HD subchannels, 3-4 subchannels, etc), one way to make up the difference is to broadcast 720p instead of 1080i.

I also believe Dish does offer 1080p, but it's on their PPV channels. Also, the providers will "bit starve" certain channels (making them look worse) to help the "hungry" (ESPN, Fox Sports, etc) ones.
 

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