Finally making the transition from cabin to campsite! Time to buy a camper!

[hstrickland]

After years of of debate, we've finally decided to buy a camper (all for the Fort, of course ) In fact, we've booked a Full Hook up site for February as that's all that was left, and booked a Preferred site for next Thanksgiving. Have we put the cart before the horse?? Kind of. Campsite before camper. However, we used our friend's 5th wheel on a recent trip, and we're using a travel trailer in February. Trying to decide which we like better. DH says it's a bit easier to pull a 5th wheel (his opinion). Our dilema....there are some that say his truck - F350 diesel, not a dually -will not pull a big rig while some say it will. We've been to 5 dealerships from Charleston to Jacksonville all of which have different opinions and choice of campers. Who knew there were so many options?!!! Sensory overload! What to do, what to do??!! We've been told that Keystone is the way to go and Forest River is not...and vice-versa. Much of it is subjective, I know. Hopefully we won't purchase something that is too big for the site we've booked...that would be my luck. I did try for a Premium site at Thanksgiving, but they were gone.

Your 2 cents is appreciated ...the good, the bad, and the ugly
Thanks!
Heather

 

[tiggerdad]

hstrickland, welcome to the world of "your own bed, your own kitchen, your own supplies..." It's a really nice place.

OK, now the trucks. No, you DO NOT have to have a duel wheel vehicle to pull a 5th wheel. I get beyond sick of hearing this from people. All of the people I camp with here locally pull their 5th wheels with F-250s and 2500's with no difficulty. One of them makes yearly trips out west to Yellowstone and he is still pulling with his factory grade 2003 F-250 diesel. No issues. None. Where the duel wheels do come into play is if you start moving up in 5th wheel sizes and weights. Heavier campers will feel more stable on a duel wheel axle, if you blow a tire you still have another on that side to hold the weight. They for sure have more weight carrying capacity, no doubt, but if you are not buying into a large 5th wheel, then you may not need it. Also, parking and driving a duel wheel truck is something else you have to consider. The bigger trucks, like my F-250 can be hard to park and maneuver around in city streets. Add on the duel (wide hips) and you just multiplied that factor. You need to plan for when you're pulling and when you're not. I did consider a duel wheel, but I chose against it for reasons such as: It won't fit in my garage, no way my wife could drive it (and not be a menace on the road), I really don't want to have to buy two extra 10-ply tires ($275-$350 each), and my camper only runs about 9000# empty.

Hopefully Southalabama5er and some of the others who use duel wheels will be around and give their two cents so you have different views on this. Southalabama5er has a huge one (greater than 40 foot) and in that case I would want a duel wheel truck.

Now, the campers...
I have a bumper pull 35 footer. The only reason I don't have a 5th wheel is that we could not find one with a layout that we liked. I really wanted a 5th wheel, and now my wife if pushing for us to trade in on one since some of the newer ones have better layouts. I will not deny it, they back up better than bumper pull campers, especially in the 35 foot lengths like mine.

 

[bjschil]

Hstrickland, we pull our 2016, and previous 2013, 42' fifth wheel from Wisconsin to the Fort every year. Next trip is in 35 days, YEAH. We pull it with our 2015 Dodge Ram 2500, and have no problems. Our previous truck was the same model, older year. We have gone to Yellowstone, Colorado, and have no problems. You should be fine. We choose not to have a dual truck for garage space, and no need. We have "farm trucks for that need!" Our fuel mileage on long-distance trips averages 11 -12 mph, Cummins Diesel. We have a Forrest River Prime Time Sanibel. Good luck on your search. Your mind will be buzzing!! HAPPY Camper Shopping.

 

[bama_ed]

Hi Heather! That's exciting news.

I own a little popup so I don't have much to add to the discussion but I wanted to point out that Jan-Feb is prime time for RV shows and there can be deals to be had if you know the kind of floor plan you want. I went to Tampa this past January and they have a huge show mid-month and it sounded like a destination event (as in people travel in from out of town and stay overnight to attend and buy at the show). I'm sure in the range you mentioned (Charle-Jax) you can find plenty of shows to attend but it's fun to walk around and see that many. Makes it easier to compare.

Good luck. Keep us informed of your progress.

Bama Ed

PS - whatever you buy, it's best if there is a local dealer near you for that brand (even if you don't buy from them). It's convenient if you have warranty work done, need repairs made, etc.

 

[ruthies12]

I have to agree with BamaEd on this one- make sure you have a dealership close to you that does warranty work on the brand you buy, regardless of where you buy from. I have a lot of family and friends that all own campers and I don't think that I've ever had anyone buy a brand new camper and not have to take it in for a few things. They call it the shake down period, there are always a few things that shake loose/break the first few times you drive a brand new camper. Those things go through a lot of bouncing up and down the roads.

My only other 2 cents is to go through it with a fine tooth comb before buying. Don't assume that just because it is new it will be perfect. Make the dealer fix everything before you drive away. I've walked through a ton of brand new campers and seen everything from missing light bulbs to loose handles to gouges in the wood finishes from tools.

 

[PaHunter]

Heather, welcome. Buying a new trailer, get what you want. Think about how you will use it, just as a hotel at Disney, live in it for extended time, lot's of company. Each of these means you may want something different in a layout. Maybe a outside kitchen, bathroom access while on the road (my big one) or a big living room. There are a lot of choices and a lot of manufacturers. As far as tow vehicles, dually not need as Tiggerdad said, and it does create problems people forget about. Six tires for replacement, tire rotation is a headache, in some towns that allow on street parking size is a problem, and weight is a big one. More to register here, and in town here we have a 5 ton limit which I am just on the edge of, it takes two parking spaces usually with the crew cab due to length. But all that aside, do love my dually diesel, even though we tow a 30ft travel trailer weighing about 8000 lbs. We got a bigger truck so if we wanted a 5th wheel in the future we could and our truck would handle the bigger trailer. Good Luck.

 

[hstrickland]

Y'all are a wealth of knowledge!! Thanks a million!!

hstrickland, welcome to the world of "your own bed, your own kitchen, your own supplies..." It's a really nice place.

OK, now the trucks. No, you DO NOT have to have a duel wheel vehicle to pull a 5th wheel. I get beyond sick of hearing this from people. All of the people I camp with here locally pull their 5th wheels with F-250s and 2500's with no difficulty. One of them makes yearly trips out west to Yellowstone and he is still pulling with his factory grade 2003 F-250 diesel. No issues. None. Where the duel wheels do come into play is if you start moving up in 5th wheel sizes and weights. Heavier campers will feel more stable on a duel wheel axle, if you blow a tire you still have another on that side to hold the weight. They for sure have more weight carrying capacity, no doubt, but if you are not buying into a large 5th wheel, then you may not need it. Also, parking and driving a duel wheel truck is something else you have to consider. The bigger trucks, like my F-250 can be hard to park and maneuver around in city streets. Add on the duel (wide hips) and you just multiplied that factor. You need to plan for when you're pulling and when you're not. I did consider a duel wheel, but I chose against it for reasons such as: It won't fit in my garage, no way my wife could drive it (and not be a menace on the road), I really don't want to have to buy two extra 10-ply tires ($275-$350 each), and my camper only runs about 9000# empty.

Hopefully Southalabama5er and some of the others who use duel wheels will be around and give their two cents so you have different views on this. Southalabama5er has a huge one (greater than 40 foot) and in that case I would want a duel wheel truck.

Now, the campers...
I have a bumper pull 35 footer. The only reason I don't have a 5th wheel is that we could not find one with a layout that we liked. I really wanted a 5th wheel, and now my wife if pushing for us to trade in on one since some of the newer ones have better layouts. I will not deny it, they back up better than bumper pull campers, especially in the 35 foot lengths like mine.

My husband will be happy to know about the truck. He would prefer the 5th wheel simply because of easier towing, however the price of a travel trailer is a bit more appealing. Since we're a family of 5, we would like to have a bunkhouse. Of course the set up I like is a probably too heavy for the truck...one was the Montana and the other was a Sandpiper...both 40+ feet. And like you're wife, I'm not driving a dually around town I would likely take out a car or two. Wouldn't be pretty. We've looked at a couple of Jayco 5th wheels that are fairly light in comparison and have a decent set up for the family.

Hstrickland, we pull our 2016, and previous 2013, 42' fifth wheel from Wisconsin to the Fort every year. Next trip is in 35 days, YEAH. We pull it with our 2015 Dodge Ram 2500, and have no problems. Our previous truck was the same model, older year. We have gone to Yellowstone, Colorado, and have no problems. You should be fine. We choose not to have a dual truck for garage space, and no need. We have "farm trucks for that need!" Our fuel mileage on long-distance trips averages 11 -12 mph, Cummins Diesel. We have a Forrest River Prime Time Sanibel. Good luck on your search. Your mind will be buzzing!! HAPPY Camper Shopping.

Really??!! Wow! That's quite the drive. I would love to travel out to Yellowstone, but the thought of driving with 3 kids scares me crazy Glad to know about the 42'. What's your hitch weight? That is probably one of our big concerns. Some of these big rigs that we've found have hitch weights of around 2500 pounds. And your'e totally right...my mind is buzzing. Too many choices and options.

Hi Heather! That's exciting news.

I own a little popup so I don't have much to add to the discussion but I wanted to point out that Jan-Feb is prime time for RV shows and there can be deals to be had if you know the kind of floor plan you want. I went to Tampa this past January and they have a huge show mid-month and it sounded like a destination event (as in people travel in from out of town and stay overnight to attend and buy at the show). I'm sure in the range you mentioned (Charle-Jax) you can find plenty of shows to attend but it's fun to walk around and see that many. Makes it easier to compare.

Good luck. Keep us informed of your progress.

Bama Ed

PS - whatever you buy, it's best if there is a local dealer near you for that brand (even if you don't buy from them). It's convenient if you have warranty work done, need repairs made, etc.

Hmmm....now you've given me something to think about. Haven't even thought about going to an RV show. That would be fun, especially the one in Tampa. We have a Camping World that is 30 minutes from us, and we've been by there a couple of times. Unfortunatley, we've read that their service department is less than stellar.

I have to agree with BamaEd on this one- make sure you have a dealership close to you that does warranty work on the brand you buy, regardless of where you buy from. I have a lot of family and friends that all own campers and I don't think that I've ever had anyone buy a brand new camper and not have to take it in for a few things. They call it the shake down period, there are always a few things that shake loose/break the first few times you drive a brand new camper. Those things go through a lot of bouncing up and down the roads.

My only other 2 cents is to go through it with a fine tooth comb before buying. Don't assume that just because it is new it will be perfect. Make the dealer fix everything before you drive away. I've walked through a ton of brand new campers and seen everything from missing light bulbs to loose handles to gouges in the wood finishes from tools.

We have had several people tell us the same thing about going through the camper before it leaves the lot. Must be some truth to that Didn't think about the "shake down" period, but makes perfect sense. There's so much to think about when buying one of these things!! Makes me nervous. We will definitely be purchasing from someone near by unless we just find one heck of a steal somewhere else.





Thanks again for the info! Y'all are the best!

 

[tiggerdad]

I have a Jayco 32bhds. 2022 model. Pull up the layout. Anything like what you want? Has 2 slides, one in the back to give kids bigger room. Outdoor kitchen, exterior door leading to bathroom, etc. Just some ideas.

 

[Teamubr]

Great comments from everyone so far.

I had a couple of other things to consider.

First, I have towed a lot of things with 4 different vehicles. From a 16 ft hybrid to a 48 ft, 21,000lb race car hauler. I'm on my 3rd diesel truck. An F250, F350 SRW and now an F350 long bed, crew cab dually. My current camper is a 31 ft 5th wheel that weighs about 9,000lbs. Any SRW truck will tow it fine. Diesels are better... always. I also towed a 43 ft toy hauler 5er that carries a Miata race car. It goes about 14,000lbs. And the 2 car enclosed car hauler is 48ft long and just over 21,000 lbs with both Mustangs, parts, tools and spares.

Personally, a DRW isn't needed until you get to about 12,000. Over 12,000 I think it gets uncomfortable with a SRW truck. Under that, a DRW feels more stable, especially in cross winds and rough pavement, but it certainly isn't required.

My trailer before my current 5er was a 33 ft TT. It weighed about 7,000. (No slides) Overall, I prefer a 5er. They do tow a little nicer. They just feel more stable with the pin weight over the axle instead of hanging on the bumper. Absolutely no sway either with a 5er and therefore no need for sway controls or weight distribution hitches. 5ers are also much easier to hitch up once you figure out the ideal pin height. Again, no WD hitch, lining up on a ball or sway bars.

Backing up is different. Can't say one is easier than the other, but a 5er reacts differently when backing because of the pivot point (hitch) being over an axle instead of 4 or 5 ft behind it.

If you are looking at a trailer AND a truck, get a matched set. Decide which trailer meets your needs (and budget), then decide how much truck you need. Remember to consider a loaded weight for the trailer. I always found that taking the "as delivered" or "dry weight" of the trailer and adding 1000-1500 lbs for "stuff" was a good estimate for the amount of junk I brought along. Then find a truck that has a tow capacity at least 10-20% above the trailer weight.

While diesels are unbeatable for towing heavy, there are a number of F150 size trucks that have tow ratings over 10,000lbs. If the vehicle is a daily driver and you only tow a few times a year, the easier maneuverability and better (cheaper) gas mileage is worth the smaller truck. My 8500 lb, F350 diesel gets 15-16mpg (non-towing) driving it back and forth to work. One of my staff has a new F150 with the V6 EcoBoost. It has a 12,000 tow rating and gets 23 mpg driving to work.

And last, DEFINITELY go to an RV show. It is the best way to do side by side comparisons and see a large number of manufacturers (and floor plans). I have a pretty good idea what I want in a next trailer. DW just got a new job with a really good salary increase. I'm still waiting until the winter RV show to decide if I really want a new camper.

j

 

[hstrickland]

Heather, welcome. Buying a new trailer, get what you want. Think about how you will use it, just as a hotel at Disney, live in it for extended time, lot's of company. Each of these means you may want something different in a layout. Maybe a outside kitchen, bathroom access while on the road (my big one) or a big living room. There are a lot of choices and a lot of manufacturers. As far as tow vehicles, dually not need as Tiggerdad said, and it does create problems people forget about. Six tires for replacement, tire rotation is a headache, in some towns that allow on street parking size is a problem, and weight is a big one. More to register here, and in town here we have a 5 ton limit which I am just on the edge of, it takes two parking spaces usually with the crew cab due to length. But all that aside, do love my dually diesel, even though we tow a 30ft travel trailer weighing about 8000 lbs. We got a bigger truck so if we wanted a 5th wheel in the future we could and our truck would handle the bigger trailer. Good Luck.

Everything I want seems almost impossible to get in 1 trailer (outdoor kitchen, 2 bathrooms w/ 2 doors, large living area, island in the kitchen, king bed, bunk house). What else can I throw in there?? I'm kidding, of course...kind of. All joking aside, the bunk house is a must with 3 kids, and the outdoor kitchen would be an added bonus for the hubby. We will definitely do lots of camping at the Fort since we're fairly close, and lots of trips to the Florida coast; DH loves fishing.

Sounds like you are definitely ready for a 5th wheel with your big dually diesel. Are you completely satisfied with the travel trailer? Size?

I have a Jayco 32bhds. 2022 model. Pull up the layout. Anything like what you want? Has 2 slides, one in the back to give kids bigger room. Outdoor kitchen, exterior door leading to bathroom, etc. Just some ideas.

Yep!! That one will do for sure! Any problem campsites at the Fort that you've had trouble backing into? And here's me being nosy ....why does your wife want a 5th wheel?? More room?

 

[PaHunter]

We purchased a Bullet 251RB Travel Trailer and actually it is great with just the two of us. I like the rear bathroom access while traveling, bathroom access while traveling is a must for longer trips in my book. When our nephews join us 10 and 4 it gets to be busy inside. One sleeps on the couch that makes in to a bed and the other the table which does the same. But that makes mornings very hectic as you have to reassemble everything for breakfast. The wife and I looked at 5th wheels, not really for more room, but with a bigger truck tows easier. More room just means more stuff, that we may not need anyway. She actually would like more bedroom space and storage, but we make ours work well. We owned an older Chevy 1500 when we purchased the trailer. Our trip last year to the Fort found us getting 7 mpg, hoping to do better this year with the diesel. 90 days and we will be setting up our site at the Fort.

 

[hstrickland]

Great comments from everyone so far.

I had a couple of other things to consider.

First, I have towed a lot of things with 4 different vehicles. From a 16 ft hybrid to a 48 ft, 21,000lb race car hauler. I'm on my 3rd diesel truck. An F250, F350 SRW and now an F350 long bed, crew cab dually. My current camper is a 31 ft 5th wheel that weighs about 9,000lbs. Any SRW truck will tow it fine. Diesels are better... always. I also towed a 43 ft toy hauler 5er that carries a Miata race car. It goes about 14,000lbs. And the 2 car enclosed car hauler is 48ft long and just over 21,000 lbs with both Mustangs, parts, tools and spares.

Personally, a DRW isn't needed until you get to about 12,000. Over 12,000 I think it gets uncomfortable with a SRW truck. Under that, a DRW feels more stable, especially in cross winds and rough pavement, but it certainly isn't required.

My trailer before my current 5er was a 33 ft TT. It weighed about 7,000. (No slides) Overall, I prefer a 5er. They do tow a little nicer. They just feel more stable with the pin weight over the axle instead of hanging on the bumper. Absolutely no sway either with a 5er and therefore no need for sway controls or weight distribution hitches. 5ers are also much easier to hitch up once you figure out the ideal pin height. Again, no WD hitch, lining up on a ball or sway bars.

Backing up is different. Can't say one is easier than the other, but a 5er reacts differently when backing because of the pivot point (hitch) being over an axle instead of 4 or 5 ft behind it.

If you are looking at a trailer AND a truck, get a matched set. Decide which trailer meets your needs (and budget), then decide how much truck you need. Remember to consider a loaded weight for the trailer. I always found that taking the "as delivered" or "dry weight" of the trailer and adding 1000-1500 lbs for "stuff" was a good estimate for the amount of junk I brought along. Then find a truck that has a tow capacity at least 10-20% above the trailer weight.

While diesels are unbeatable for towing heavy, there are a number of F150 size trucks that have tow ratings over 10,000lbs. If the vehicle is a daily driver and you only tow a few times a year, the easier maneuverability and better (cheaper) gas mileage is worth the smaller truck. My 8500 lb, F350 diesel gets 15-16mpg (non-towing) driving it back and forth to work. One of my staff has a new F150 with the V6 EcoBoost. It has a 12,000 tow rating and gets 23 mpg driving to work.

And last, DEFINITELY go to an RV show. It is the best way to do side by side comparisons and see a large number of manufacturers (and floor plans). I have a pretty good idea what I want in a next trailer. DW just got a new job with a really good salary increase. I'm still waiting until the winter RV show to decide if I really want a new camper.

j

You're full of quality info The hubby will appreciate this for sure. He can interpret for me when he gets home We have a F350 diesel, so we have to find a trailer that works for that since we won't be purchasing another truck. Just checked out the RV shows that are semi-close-by....Atlanta, Orlando, Ocala, Tampa, Greenville...one of those should work. Thanks again for the detailed info.

 

[tiggerdad]

She saw the inside of Southalabama5er's 5th wheel and it had a separate room in the back with a bath and a half for the kids room. Mainly it had a larger master bedroom and master bath with a full size shower which is something a lot of the 5th wheels offer.

 

[hstrickland]

We purchased a Bullet 251RB Travel Trailer and actually it is great with just the two of us. I like the rear bathroom access while traveling, bathroom access while traveling is a must for longer trips in my book. When our nephews join us 10 and 4 it gets to be busy inside. One sleeps on the couch that makes in to a bed and the other the table which does the same. But that makes mornings very hectic as you have to reassemble everything for breakfast. The wife and I looked at 5th wheels, not really for more room, but with a bigger truck tows easier. More room just means more stuff, that we may not need anyway. She actually would like more bedroom space and storage, but we make ours work well. We owned an older Chevy 1500 when we purchased the trailer. Our trip last year to the Fort found us getting 7 mpg, hoping to do better this year with the diesel. 90 days and we will be setting up our site at the Fort.

We're leaning towards a TT since this will be our first camper. And I think we're going to be at the Fort around the same time you are...last weekend in February?? We're doing a Friday-Monday...short trip. We'll be easy to spot...just look for the newbies who don't have a clue as to what they're doing

She saw the inside of Southalabama5er's 5th wheel and it had a separate room in the back with a bath and a half for the kids room. Mainly it had a larger master bedroom and master bath with a full size shower which is something a lot of the 5th wheels offer.

I believe my husband ran across a picture of his camper on the campsite thread....he has a Sandpiper, right? If so, they're super nice. I fell in love with a 365SAQB and the 371REBH...just too heavy, I think. What you have is just what we need.

 

[tiggerdad]

I like mine alot. PM me if you want any more specifics or pictures (Heaven knows I like posting pics)

 

[2goofycampers]

Buy exactly what you want the first time.
If a salesman's mouth is moving he's probably lying.
We've owned 3 Jayco TT, they are good quality and the 2 year warranty is nice.
For a woman, a pantry is a must.
For a man, plenty of outside storage is needed. (fishing poles and gear)

We have a TT because it leaves the bed of the truck free for other things.

Good luck and let us know what you decide.

 

[missthatgator]

Hi! We just bought a 19ft bumper pull, inspired by our tent camping trip to the fort this past spring. It's much smaller than what you're looking at but I've also done a fair bit of hauling with a 5th wheel horse trailer (Ontario, Canada to Florida and back). I do prefer pulling the 5th wheel, but I really like being able to still use the bed of the truck with the bumper pull and the difference in towing is not THAT significant. Especially because we occasionally need to carry a canoe as well as the trailer.

Our trailer is a forest river, and I'll admit we haven't had much chance to use it yet but we really love it. I think as far as one company vs another it's really a personal preference as to who offers the floor plan you like, and what your preferred finishes are. That being said having a camper from one of the more widespread companies like forest river makes it easier to find a dealer who can service the unit no matter where you are in North America.

 

[hstrickland]

I like mine alot. PM me if you want any more specifics or pictures (Heaven knows I like posting pics)

You might regret giving me free rein to ask questions

Buy exactly what you want the first time.
If a salesman's mouth is moving he's probably lying.

TRUE! One guy we encountered literally beat on the walls of an Evergreen Element to demonstrate how strong they were compared to other campers saying "can't penetrate these babies! No sir!!" It was something stratight out of a John Candy movie. The only word that came to my mouth was "wow."

We've owned 3 Jayco TT, they are good quality and the 2 year warranty is nice.
For a woman, a pantry is a must.
For a man, plenty of outside storage is needed. (fishing poles and gear)

We have a TT because it leaves the bed of the truck free for other things.

Good luck and let us know what you decide.

I will say this....out of the 5 salespeople we've spoken with, there was nothing negative about Jayco. All had positives to say. Makes one think, ya know.

Hi! We just bought a 19ft bumper pull, inspired by our tent camping trip to the fort this past spring. It's much smaller than what you're looking at but I've also done a fair bit of hauling with a 5th wheel horse trailer (Ontario, Canada to Florida and back). I do prefer pulling the 5th wheel, but I really like being able to still use the bed of the truck with the bumper pull and the difference in towing is not THAT significant. Especially because we occasionally need to carry a canoe as well as the trailer.

Our trailer is a forest river, and I'll admit we haven't had much chance to use it yet but we really love it. I think as far as one company vs another it's really a personal preference as to who offers the floor plan you like, and what your preferred finishes are. That being said having a camper from one of the more widespread companies like forest river makes it easier to find a dealer who can service the unit no matter where you are in North America.

WOW what a drive!! Canada to Florida! You must have been going to Ocala, FL for horses...tons of them there.

My hubby and kids would tent camp in a heartbeat, however I'm not that brave, yet. DH is taking the boys over Spring Break while my daughter and I take a short cruise on the Magic.

If it were only 2 of us - or even 3 - we could definitely go smaller. My parents have actually been looking for a camper, too, around 20 feet or so. The one they like is a Flagstaff Micro Lite (Forest River). And I think you're right about the different companies...kinda llike Chevy vs. Ford....a bit subjective.

 

[tiggerdad]

Buy exactly what you want the first time.
If a salesman's mouth is moving he's probably lying.
We've owned 3 Jayco TT, they are good quality and the 2 year warranty is nice.
For a woman, a pantry is a must.
For a man, plenty of outside storage is needed. (fishing poles and gear)

We have a TT because it leaves the bed of the truck free for other things.

Good luck and let us know what you decide.

Can't disagree there...

I think as far as one company vs another it's really a personal preference as to who offers the floor plan you like, and what your preferred finishes are. That being said having a camper from one of the more widespread companies like forest river makes it easier to find a dealer who can service the unit no matter where you are in North America.

Can't disagree with this either...

 

[PaHunter]

And I think we're going to be at the Fort around the same time you are...last weekend in February??

Yes we will be at the Fort arriving the 22nd thru 27th in the preferred loops.