Avatar ground breaking = done deal?

you really like to quote websites I've never heard of so obviously they aren't very popular

Actually, they are quite popular with the inquisitive and discerning.

Splash mountain is a disney classic.

No, it's a log flume ride based on a classic film Disney made in 1946 named Song of the South. You should read up on it below and expand your horizons on an underappreciated work of cinema. And I assure the site is really, really "popular!"

http://www.songofthesouth.net/index.php

Depending on what they do with Star Wars

Well, not what, if. All the talk here of new Star wars attractions or lands is just speculative.

The story is conservation of wildlife

Actually the climax of the film wasn't about conservation. Instead, Cameron gave us a massive, bloodthirsty "let's get even" fest, Specifically, a huge battle featuring the locals kicking the holy-you-know-what out the what sure looked like the American military. Yep, lots of peace and love all around that left audiences with a big warm, fuzzy "save-the-land" feeling. :love2:

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but the technology behind the movie and the great detail work in the film can make a terrific land.

Sigh...as observed earlier, this is all about equating CPU cycles with substance. :sad2:
 
Actually, they are quite popular with the inquisitive and discerning. No, it's a log flume ride based on a classic film Disney made in 1946 named Song of the South. You should read up on it below and expand your horizons on an underappreciated work of cinema. And I assure the site is really, really "popular!" http://www.songofthesouth.net/index.php Well, not what, if. All the talk here of new Star wars attractions or lands is just speculative. Actually the climax of the film wasn't about conservation. Instead, Cameron gave us a massive, bloodthirsty "let's get even" fest, Specifically, a huge battle featuring the locals kicking the holy-you-know-what out the what sure looked like the American military. Yep, lots of peace and love all around that left audiences with a big warm, fuzzy "save-the-land" feeling. :love2: Sigh...as observed earlier, this is all about equating CPU cycles with substance. :sad2:
I know what the song of the south is I have seen it but the ride itself is a disney classic. The movie sucked yes we agree on that but that's not the point the immersive ness of the 3D will make for a good land if done right. I still don't understand why you are doubting what disney can do. They are a very successful company far more successful than universal.
 
Actually, they are quite popular with the inquisitive and discerning.

:rolleyes2 "Popular" movie websites are a dime a dozen and inquisitive and discerning is open to interpretation! Those may be popular but so are a bunch of conspiracy and other crazy sites. They mean nothing. Are there people out there that agree with you? Without a doubt. You can always find a large number of people that hate anything popular. Often just because it is popular.

That movie that was one of the most successful and was nominated for 6 Oscars.

No, it's a log flume ride based on a classic film Disney made in 1946 named Song of the South. You should read up on it below and expand your horizons on an underappreciated work of cinema. And I assure the site is really, really "popular!"

http://www.songofthesouth.net/index.php

The only point that matters is that Song of the south is NO classic, and the great majority of people that love the ride either have never heard about it or know about it only vaguely. Point made. The movie had a great set of simple characters in a nice setting that was perfect for a flume ride. THAT SIMPLE!

Does that movie have some aspect that will work with what Disney wants to do? Yes for Song of the South, Y-E-SSSSS for Avatar!! THAT SIMPLE.

Actually the climax of the film wasn't about conservation. Instead, Cameron gave us a massive, bloodthirsty "let's get even" fest, Specifically, a huge battle featuring the locals kicking the holy-you-know-what out the what sure looked like the American military. Yep, lots of peace and love all around that left audiences with a big warm, fuzzy "save-the-land" feeling. :love2:

Sigh...as observed earlier, this is all about equating CPU cycles with substance. :sad2:

Boy those colored glasses you wear are far thicker than I thought. You miss the most obvious things and can see neither the forest nor the trees. The whole ending of Avatar was about saving the tree of life, the Navi, and all life on the planet as it was connected to the tree. You can't get more conservationist than that.

Nothing has anything to do with CPU cycles.
 
:rolleyes2 "Popular" movie websites are a dime a dozen and inquisitive and discerning is open to interpretation! Those may be popular but so are a bunch of conspiracy and other crazy sites. They mean nothing. Are there people out there that agree with you? Without a doubt. You can always find a large number of people that hate anything popular. Often just because it is popular. That movie that was one of the most successful and was nominated for 6 Oscars. The only point that matters is that Song of the south is NO classic, and the great majority of people that love the ride either have never heard about it or know about it only vaguely. Point made. The movie had a great set of simple characters in a nice setting that was perfect for a flume ride. THAT SIMPLE! Does that movie have some aspect that will work with what Disney wants to do? Yes for Song of the South, Y-E-SSSSS for Avatar!! THAT SIMPLE.
well said completely agree.
 


Memo to Mr. Iger: the jury has spoken. You must immediately close down Pinnochio's Daring Journey at DL, Star Tours at DL and WDW and Splash Mountain at both and Tokyo Sea. All are deeply flawed.

Song of the South is unknown to all but a few fans. So your point is wrong. And the point he made doesn't lead here anywhere.

You imply films with decent scripts and characters and those with "immersive, compelling environments" are mutually exclusive. They aren't, and what you miss is character and narrative combined with compelling environment are what make truly great attractions and lands. That's why HP at Universal is the monster success it is. The ambience there has as much to do with the personas of the characters and the experiences they have had as it does the incredible gothic majesty of Hogwarts.

Nobody implied that at all. Both is a bonus, but only one is necessary. Complex character and narrative isn't necessary either.

HP isn't great because of character or compelling narrative. There is no character or character development at all. And, I don't remember much of a narrative, just flying around experiencing several parts of HP world and being chased by a dragon. Anybody could enjoy that ride without having a clue who HP is or anything else about the story. The fact that it is connected to a popular property is gravy.

And what is clear is Avatar is the antithesis of a film offering character and narrative. Which is what led to it ending up on a disproportionate number of "most overrated movies" lists. Here are a few choice examples:

Help us out here: exactly what is the compelling "simple story" that visitors to Pandora-land are supposed to "get?" Oh, we know - it's about conservation of blue cat people. Save the Navi..........:rolleyes2

Dances with wolves or Dances with Smurfs, it doesn't matter. The idea of the simple people close to nature against the evil users of nature is old as the hills and very popular. Standing up for the beautiful and amazing environment is also a very popular simple storyline.
 
"Popular" movie websites are a dime a dozen and inquisitive and discerning is open to interpretation!

It doesn't take much interpretation to understand the critiques of Avatar are inherently more articulate and thought out than the generic "it was great 3D and made a lot of money" blather from the Avatar "fans." Example of the former (from a 2009 assessment):

""An early red flag I had about Avatar occurred when watching James Cameron on “60 Minutes” a few weeks ago. Morley Safer was asking Cameron about the design of the Na’vi and he was noting their tails. “Why tails?” he asked James. A pretty softball kind of question, but his immediate reply alarmed me. James Cameron sort of half-smiled and said with boyish glee “Well, tails are cool

And that kind of “Well (fill in the blank) is cool!" mindset seems to be the only thing that was driving him during the entire process of making Avatar and it just doesn’t cut it for the subject matter he wishes to explore. It seems like all of his best ideas started and stopped at “Well, that’s cool


:The only point that matters is that Song of the south is NO classic

The only point that really matters is the large, large universe out there that completely disagrees with that sort of throw-away revsionist opinion. Despite the fact Disney has tried to muzzle awareness of and interest in the movie, the market in copies ripped from the high res Japanese laser disc Disney released in the 80s is thriving. :thumbsup2

the great majority of people that love the ride

Love is overdoing it, they like the ride less because of any perceived cogent theme and more because it's a very elaborate version of what you can get at any Six Flags and has thrill ride type drop at the end. Or stated differently, since it's Disney, yeah, they expect it to have some sort of theming, even if they're not clear on exactly what it represents. I agree most (not all, most) have no idea or only a general idea of the film it is based on. However, if you have paid attention to reviews of it, you will notice they segment by age: anyone in their late 50s or older definitely knows what Splash Mountain is based on, because they are old enough to have been a kid when the movie was still in theatrical re-release.

The whole ending of Avatar was about saving the tree of life, the Navi, and all life on the planet as it was connected to the tree.

Oh, please....don't give us the “we are the world” collective angle. The climax of Avatar features "bad guys" who are simplistically evil being slaughtered by "good guys" - that see fit to kill them all at the drop of a hat. All presented in one of the most outrageous displays of gleeful cinematic savagery ever put up on the big screen.

Which deflates your "connect to nature" spin. One would think a movie with such an obviously pacifist ideology wouldn’t be so proud to bask in the thrilling glorification of war-like violence.

But Cameron couldn't restrain himself.
 
It doesn't take much interpretation to understand the critiques of Avatar are inherently more articulate and thought out than the generic "it was great 3D and made a lot of money" blather from the Avatar "fans." Example of the former (from a 2009 assessment): ""An early red flag I had about Avatar occurred when watching James Cameron on “60 Minutes” a few weeks ago. Morley Safer was asking Cameron about the design of the Na’vi and he was noting their tails. “Why tails?” he asked James. A pretty softball kind of question, but his immediate reply alarmed me. James Cameron sort of half-smiled and said with boyish glee “Well, tails are cool!” And that kind of “Well (fill in the blank) is cool!" mindset seems to be the only thing that was driving him during the entire process of making Avatar and it just doesn’t cut it for the subject matter he wishes to explore. It seems like all of his best ideas started and stopped at “Well, that’s cool!” The only point that really matters is the large, large universe out there that completely disagrees with that sort of throw-away revsionist opinion. Despite the fact Disney has tried to muzzle awareness of and interest in the movie, the market in copies ripped from the high res Japanese laser disc Disney released in the 80s is thriving. :thumbsup2 Love is overdoing it, they like the ride less because of any perceived cogent theme and more because it's a very elaborate version of what you can get at any Six Flags and has thrill ride type drop at the end. Or stated differently, since it's Disney, yeah, they expect it to have some sort of theming, even if they're not clear on exactly what it represents. I agree most (not all, most) have no idea or only a general idea of the film it is based on. However, if you have paid attention to reviews of it, you will notice they segment by age: anyone in their late 50s or older definitely knows what Splash Mountain is based on, because they are old enough to have been a kid when the movie was still in theatrical re-release. Oh, please....don't give us the “we are the world” collective angle. The climax of Avatar features "bad guys" who are simplistically evil being slaughtered by "good guys" - that see fit to kill them all at the drop of a hat. All presented in one of the most outrageous displays of gleeful cinematic savagery ever put up on the big screen. Which deflates your "connect to nature" spin. One would think a movie with such an obviously pacifist ideology wouldn’t be so proud to bask in the thrilling glorification of war-like violence. But Cameron couldn't restrain himself.
why don't you think avatar won't be good? Why don't you think Cameron is a good director? Why don't you think Avatarland or the sequels will happen. Anything someone says you come back with something negative I don't get it do you even like disney? Do you think they can do no good?
 


why don't you think avatar won't be good? Why don't you think Cameron is a good director? Why don't you think Avatarland or the sequels will happen. Anything someone says you come back with something negative I don't get it do you even like disney? Do you think they can do no good?


like a broken record....

blah blah blah blah... Disney Sucks.... blah blah blah blah... Universal and Harry Potter is Amazing and the only future of theme park rides.... blah blah blah blah... Avatar is the worst movie EVER... blah blah blah blah... Disney Sucks..... blah blah blah blah... Universal and Harry Potter is Amazing and the only future of theme park rides.... blah blah blah blah... Avatar is the worst movie EVER... blah blah blah blah....

Don't like the park? then don't go!! It is a free country. The way some folks carry on about Avatar is like it is life and death... relax.... no one is going to force you to ride the new Avatar rides or even go to Animal Kingdom. You can stay at Universal and ride the Forbidden Journey to your heart's content. But enough already with the silly over the top negativity.
 
like a broken record.... blah blah blah blah... Disney Sucks.... blah blah blah blah... Universal and Harry Potter is Amazing and the only future of theme park rides.... blah blah blah blah... Avatar is the worst movie EVER... blah blah blah blah... Disney Sucks..... blah blah blah blah... Universal and Harry Potter is Amazing and the only future of theme park rides.... blah blah blah blah... Avatar is the worst movie EVER... blah blah blah blah.... Don't like the park? then don't go!! It is a free country. The way some folks carry on about Avatar is like it is life and death... relax.... no one is going to force you to ride the new Avatar rides or even go to Animal Kingdom. You can stay at Universal and ride the Forbidden Journey to your heart's content. But enough already with the silly over the top negativity.
exactly
 
like a broken record....

blah blah blah blah... Disney Sucks.... blah blah blah blah... Universal and Harry Potter is Amazing and the only future of theme park rides.... blah blah blah blah... Avatar is the worst movie EVER... blah blah blah blah... Disney Sucks..... blah blah blah blah... Universal and Harry Potter is Amazing and the only future of theme park rides.... blah blah blah blah... Avatar is the worst movie EVER... blah blah blah blah....

Don't like the park? then don't go!! It is a free country. The way some folks carry on about Avatar is like it is life and death... relax.... no one is going to force you to ride the new Avatar rides or even go to Animal Kingdom. You can stay at Universal and ride the Forbidden Journey to your heart's content. But enough already with the silly over the top negativity.

:thumbsup2:teacher:popcorn::
 
Obviously I watched a different film, because the climax was about transformation. The earthling transformed through the holy trees power and became Navi. Transformation: taking something and making it something else. Funny that appears to be at the heart of the whole add Pandora to Animal Kingdom. Transform the park into some place people want to spend the whole day, and into the night at. Wow, what a concept. disney has been transforming things for years.
 
3D and Star Wars have a lot in common in that they are both fun little fads. If Disney is able to revive Star Wars with the new movies, it could turn into a popular franchise once again. For now it only appeals to aging nostalgia buffs. It would be a huge mistake to base any attraction on the old Lucas soap opera. The old Star Wars is nothing more than fodder for parody of the old movies and its over the top geek fans.

As for Avatar, the story is not at all important. The look and feel of Pandora is the real attraction. It will be a huge draw for AK.
 
3D and Star Wars have a lot in common in that they are both fun little fads. If Disney is able to revive Star Wars with the new movies, it could turn into a popular franchise once again. For now it only appeals to aging nostalgia buffs. It would be a huge mistake to base any attraction on the old Lucas soap opera. The old Star Wars is nothing more than fodder for parody of the old movies and its over the top geek fans.

As for Avatar, the story is not at all important. The look and feel of Pandora is the real attraction. It will be a huge draw for AK.

Surely you jest about Star Wars or you don't spend much time with kids, I take it. My son is 27 and loves Star Wars. Kids today love Star Wars because of the TV show and games. During the summer camp week where I am a director we did a Star Wars theme dinner and evening including watching one of the movies. The KIDS were absolutely GAGA over Star Wars. One of the most popular themes we have run. Also both Toys R US and Walmart near me had sections of Star Wars toys.

Star Wars is a phenomenon that is alive, well, and unlike anything else.

However, I agree completely what you said about Pandora.
 
like a broken record

Yes, it really is quite fatiguing to hear these not so Golden all that matters is $$$ oldies repeating themselves endlessly:

Avatar made tons of money at the theater, tons of money on blue ray, and will continue to make tons of money

boxoffice haul

Avatar made a buttload of money

3 sequels in fact im sure each will make a billion plus each movie

A movie that brings in BILLIONS

largest box office movie of all time.

the highest grossing movie of all time

all time gross in movies at 2.8 billion

box office record for highest grossing film

:sad2: :sad2: :sad2: :sad2: :sad2: :sad2: :sad2: :sad2:
 
Yes, it really is quite fatiguing to hear these not so Golden all that matters is $$$ oldies repeating themselves endlessly: :sad2: :sad2: :sad2: :sad2: :sad2: :sad2: :sad2: :sad2:
You forgot the 9 acad award nominations with three wins
Dude you need to relax and get over this its coming no matter how much you hate it

Ill take bob igers opinion as well as tom staggs opinion over angry message board guy every time

All those numbers you hate are facts deal with it

My biggest concern with pandora is the mobs of people i have to try to avoid when it opens
 
You forgot the 9 acad award nominations with three wins

Which were for visual and technical elements, categories people don't even care about (quick - what film won best art direction at the 72nd Academy Awards in 1989? :lmao:)

What they do remember are the winners for the big categories. That's where Avatar consistently struck out, losing best picture to the Hurt Locker, losing best director to Kathryn Bigelow, losing best original score to Michael Giacchino and losing best film editing to Chris Innis and Bob Murawski . It couldn't even pull out wins the lower tier audio oriented technical categories of sound editing or sound mixing. Most notably, (and not at all surprisingly) it wasn't even nominated in script or acting categories. How could it be, given the insipid plot and forgettable characters?

Ill take bob igers opinion as well as tom staggs opinion

Good luck with the crew that brought us "New Fantasyland" and "Magic+".;)

angry message board guy


deal with it

Now who are you referring to as angry? :wave2:
 
Yellowstonetim said:
Surely you jest about Star Wars or you don't spend much time with kids, I take it. My son is 27 and loves Star Wars. Kids today love Star Wars because of the TV show and games. During the summer camp week where I am a director we did a Star Wars theme dinner and evening including watching one of the movies. The KIDS were absolutely GAGA over Star Wars. One of the most popular themes we have run. Also both Toys R US and Walmart near me had sections of Star Wars toys.

Star Wars is a phenomenon that is alive, well, and unlike anything else.

However, I agree completely what you said about Pandora.

I completely agree. I have two son's. Ages 4 and 10. Both LOVE star wars. They have light sabers, action figures, books, shirts, movies, video games, etc. My 4 year old hasn't even watched a whole movie because I think some of the parts are too much for him to handle at his age, yet he is still obsessed with it. Disney must make a ton of money from merchandising.
 
Don't quote me out of context Boris. My post, not even in this thread, was expressing mild skepticism about the Avatar project. If you didn't read my post any closer than that before cutting and pasting the phrase you were looking for then I have reason to doubt half the stuff you paste here.

I dunno; I know Avatar made a buttload of money, but it bothers me that I don't know the first Avatar geek. I know geeks for just about every imaginable franchise, but not one person who stays geeked up for this one.

Just checked Reddit and was surprised to see there's not even a subreddit for Avatar. I thought everything that more than one person on Earth mildly cared about had a subreddit.
 
3D and Star Wars have a lot in common in that they are both fun little fads. If Disney is able to revive Star Wars with the new movies, it could turn into a popular franchise once again. For now it only appeals to aging nostalgia buffs. It would be a huge mistake to base any attraction on the old Lucas soap opera. The old Star Wars is nothing more than fodder for parody of the old movies and its over the top geek fans.

As for Avatar, the story is not at all important. The look and feel of Pandora is the real attraction. It will be a huge draw for AK.

Star Wars is still very popular and not just among nostalgic adults. May any adults who grew up on Star Wars have introduced it to their kids who are now fans. Go to your local toy store and look at how much shelf space is devoted to Star Wars. Probably more space then any other single franchise. Also the Clone Wars TV series was very popular and brought Star Wars to a younger audience.
 

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