It's a Test. You have to expect issues.

[stinkpickle]

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Why not test FP+ only or Magic Bands and the RFID system alone, first? Once that is running relatively smoothly, roll it out more widely and then start testing FP+ / Magic Bands. Once that is working well with a small test group, build it up and then roll it out. THEN add on Photopass and whatever else. None of these new features need any of the others to be tested...

LOL! Where's the fun in that?

 

[mcd2745]

There is still going to be the rush to get TSMM/Soarin/TT FPs..it's just that instead of it being "if you're not there by 10:00 am, sorry you miss out because Guest A and B are on their 3rd FP for that ride along with everybody else that's been there since 7:00 am and already ridden that ride 3 times," it's going to be "if you're not up at 5-6am and online (on a very glitchy/slow website) 60 days ahead of time, you're going to miss out on getting any FP at all for those rides."

With the new FP+ system you can look forward to having to wake at the crack of dawn 60 days prior to your trip to get any FP for headliners.

You know what though? I think I prefer this. So I have to get up a little earlier than I normally do for work anyway? And then I spend a few minutes and take care of my FP+'s so that when I'm actually on vacation 60 days later, I can be more relaxed.

I might be in the minority, but I'd rather log on to my computer at home at 6 AM and make a reservation for a FP+ 60 days in advance when I'm already up getting ready for work than stand in line an hour before park opening and run like I'm in Pamplona to get a FP in the park. Then I can plan around it maybe enjoy some of the mornings at WDW a little more.
But again, I might be in the minority.

I'm right with ya - whether we're in the minority or not.

 

[jillgunter]

We are loving them so far! We do have plastic cards still, they have no magic band thing to get into resort gates. They are working on it.

 

[kmarie99]

Seriously? Why the need to be snarky every single time someone says they don't care as much as you do about riding everything or riding multiple times?

Some of us really are fine with not riding stuff nine times in one day, or even at all. We have been twice in the past few years when Splash was down for maintenance. This is my son's favorite ride, but he didn't have a horrible vacation because of it. Three times we have held traditional FP-s for Test Track, it went down, and as a result we haven't ridden it yet. It didn't ruin our vacation. We have never done TSMM because we are simply too lazy to get up early and then wait in a crowd to stampede to pick up a FP. I don't blame Disney's FP system for this. I blame myself for being unwilling to do what I need to do to ride TSMM without a huge wait.

There is plenty of stuff to do other than the handful of headliner rides at each park and that's why we (my family) go. If we wanted to ride a few thrill rides over and over, we'd go to the Six Flags 15 minutes from our house. Picking out arguably the worst attraction in MK and snarkily suggesting that's the only thing you'll get to ride from now on is just being disingenuous. If you've done any research at all, if you know Disney parks at all, then you know there are plenty of opportunities to ride almost anything if you hit things at the right time, even during busy periods.

There is no evidence that Disney will hand out more FP+ slots than FP- slots once FP- disappears. If anything, knowing way ahead of time how many people will be riding on a given day will allow them to more efficiently assign cast members and load the rides. You may not be able to ride 9 times in a day anymore (and I do feel for those whose main reason for going to the parks was doing this, because I think those days are numbered) but you'll surely be able to get on a ride at least once or twice if that's really what you want to focus your planning around. You will need to adapt and plan differently, that's all.

Very Well said

 

[Angel Ariel]

You know what though? I think I prefer this. So I have to get up a little earlier than I normally do for work anyway? And then I spend a few minutes and take care of my FP+'s so that when I'm actually on vacation 60 days later, I can be more relaxed.

My question still remains...will it be OK if you get up at 5/6am 60 days out and find out that there are no FP+s available for TSMM? I've gotten online at 6am, 180 days out to reserve BOG for 4-7 people and have, multiple times, not been able to get an ADR at all.

I also called the F&W festival hotline exactly when it opened to reserve sweet seats for the 3D dessert party, only to spend over an hour on hold and there not be any sweet seats left when they finally took my call.

Disney has a history of setting up advanced planning, and then not having the inventory to handle the demand they've created. Just look at the wireless network as a perfect example. They've created a huge demand for the wireless/3G/4G access with MDE, and the infrastructure they have in place can't keep up - and they haven't even rolled it out to all WDW visitors yet. I don't have much confidence that FP+ will be any different, especially in more crowded times of year.

 

[KaLyn]

You know what though? I think I prefer this. So I have to get up a little earlier than I normally do for work anyway? And then I spend a few minutes and take care of my FP+'s so that when I'm actually on vacation 60 days later, I can be more relaxed.

I'm right with ya - whether we're in the minority or not.

Agreed 100%! It looks like we're a party of 5 lol.

 

[Tigger's ally]

My question still remains...will it be OK if you get up at 5/6am 60 days out and find out that there are no FP+s available for TSMM? I've gotten online at 6am, 180 days out to reserve BOG for 4-7 people and have, multiple times, not been able to get an ADR at all.

I also called the F&W festival hotline exactly when it opened to reserve sweet seats for the 3D dessert party, only to spend over an hour on hold and there not be any sweet seats left when they finally took my call.

And I have tried to get MK view in CR and failed? Don't understand your point. There are only so many seats at the 3D dessert party. There are only so many ressies at BOG. These arguments are not valid in this thread.

Nobody knows what will happen with fast passes once FP+ is all there is, but I have a feeling Disney does know.

I have a feeling Disney knows their hotel occupancy rates.
I have a feeling Disney knows what % of that rate is in each park at any given time + or - a certain percent.
I have a feeling that Disney will only reserve a certain percentage of fp+'s of each ride before hand and will open up the remaining times on day of.
I have a feeling that 3 won't be the final number.
I have a feeling that disney is collecting massive amounts of data metrics as we speak.
And I believe they will adjust time, services, CM's and dollars based on those data metrics.
I have a feeling that some people have gotten hurt on the mad dash at opening at the Studios!
I have a feeling that Disney would rather see everyone get two trips on TSM than have a whole bunch of people get 9 apiece and others shut out.

I have a feeling that as long as I don't have to have a fast pass + to order my Half and Half at R&C, then I will survive!

 

[mcd2745]

My question still remains...will it be OK if you get up at 5/6am 60 days out and find out that there are no FP+s available for TSMM? I've gotten online at 6am, 180 days out to reserve BOG for 4-7 people and have, multiple times, not been able to get an ADR at all.

I also called the F&W festival hotline exactly when it opened to reserve sweet seats for the 3D dessert party, only to spend over an hour on hold and there not be any sweet seats left when they finally took my call.

Disney has a history of setting up advanced planning, and then not having the inventory to handle the demand they've created. Just look at the wireless network as a perfect example. They've created a huge demand for the wireless/3G/4G access with MDE, and the infrastructure they have in place can't keep up - and they haven't even rolled it out to all WDW visitors yet. I don't have much confidence that FP+ will be any different, especially in more crowded times of year.

If I don't get the FP+ for TSMM at 60 days out, first, I'll continue to monitor the site periodically and hope to get lucky over the next 60 days. If we don't get lucky (and I realize it will be similar odds to hitting a powerball jackpot), then we'll do one of two things:

A) Get up early on our HS day and do the running of the bulls like we've all done in the past
B) Not ride TSMM. We've done it before and it will not ruin our vacation one bit. For us, it will not be the end of the world it would apparently be to some of you. ***NEWS FLASH*** There's more to WDW than just TSMM, BOG, etc., and no one experience is going to make or break our trip.

Honestly, I think so many DISers get obessed with certain restaurants or attractions not so much because they truly enjoy them that much, but more because they've been convinced (most likely by themselves) that their trip would be a total failure if they missed out on any of them.

 

[Angel Ariel]

And I have tried to get MK view in CR and failed? Don't understand your point. There are only so many seats at the 3D dessert party. There are only so many ressies at BOG. These arguments are not valid in this thread.

How so? Every attraction has a fixed ride capacity, just as those other events have a fixed capacity.

Yes, I'm sure the # of FP+'s available at full roll out is a whole lot more than the # of sweet seats, but then the # of people trying to get those FP+ slots is also going to be a whole lot larger than the number of people trying to get sweet seats.

And besides...my overall point was that Disney has a history of creating demand that they end up not being able to satisfy. How is that not an important point when talking about FP+?

I have a feeling that Disney will only reserve a certain percentage of fp+'s of each ride before hand and will open up the remaining times on day of.

I believe I read a direct quote on here from Disney saying that Disney would not be holding back any FP+ for same-day distribution.

 

[ArwenMarie]

If I don't get a ride schedule that I like at 60 days, I will cancel and go somewhere else

 

[Angel Ariel]

If I don't get the FP+ for TSMM at 60 days out, first, I'll continue to monitor the site periodically and hope to get lucky over the next 60 days. If we don't get lucky (and I realize it will be similar odds to hitting a powerball jackpot), then we'll do one of two things:

A) Get up early on our HS day and do the running of the bulls like we've all done in the past
B) Not ride TSMM. We've done it before and it will not ruin our vacation one bit. For us, it will not be the end of the world it would apparently be to some of you. ***NEWS FLASH*** There's more to WDW than just TSMM, BOG, etc., and no one experience is going to make or break our trip.

Honestly, I think so many DISers get obessed with certain restaurants or attractions not so much because they truly enjoy them that much, but more because they've been convinced (most likely by themselves) that their trip would be a total failure if they missed out on any of them.

I'm not obsessed with any attraction or restaurant. I've never done the "running of the bulls" for TSMM. We've gotten there a little after RD, gotten a FP, rode SB and went on our way.

I asked the question because so many people are saying that FP+ is so wonderful because it will eliminate the rush to those attractions and make their trip so much better. That also implies that those attractions are important to them. Given that assertion, I think it's a fair question to ask what someone saying that will feel like if they do the "rush" to the computer at 6am 60 days out and find out they can't get a FP at all.

I didn't cancel my trip b/c I couldn' get BOG reservations. I won't if I can't get a FP+ for TSMM/Soarin/TT either. But I also can't say that it's an "upgrade" to my experience if I find out 60 days ahead of time that I won't be able to get a FP for those rides at all. Of course, yes, if they're important enough I will get there early and ride stand by. That doesn't mean it's not a downgrade from the current experience.

I certainly don't believe any trip will be a failure because of not making one ride. TBH, it's a bit condescending that that is the constant assertion made to pretty much anyone who has concerns/issues with FP+.

 

[dansamy]

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You sure got a lot of feelings!

 

[patrickpiteo]

If I don't get a ride schedule that I like at 60 days, I will cancel and go somewhere else

I'm 3 days out and been changing my FP + reservations and there are plenty of times and options available.

 

[mcd2745]

I'm not obsessed with any attraction or restaurant. I've never done the "running of the bulls" for TSMM. We've gotten there a little after RD, gotten a FP, rode SB and went on our way.

I asked the question because so many people are saying that FP+ is so wonderful because it will eliminate the rush to those attractions and make their trip so much better. That also implies that those attractions are important to them. Given that assertion, I think it's a fair question to ask what someone saying that will feel like if they do the "rush" to the computer at 6am 180 days out and find out they can't get a FP at all.

I didn't cancel my trip b/c I couldn' get BOG reservations. I won't if I can't get a FP+ for TSMM/Soarin/TT either. But I also can't say that it's an "upgrade" to my experience if I find out 60 days ahead of time that I won't be able to get a FP for those rides at all. Of course, yes, if they're important enough I will get there early and ride stand by. That doesn't mean it's not a downgrade from the current experience.

I certainly don't believe any trip will be a failure because of not making one ride. TBH, it's a bit condescending that that is the constant assertion made to pretty much anyone who has concerns/issues with FP+.

You asked a question and I answered it. None of the statements in my post were directed specifically at you or anyone else and I carefully worded them they way I did to make that obvious.

 

[Angel Ariel]

You asked a question and I answered it. None of the statements in my post were directed specifically at you or anyone else and I carefully worded them they way I did to make that obvious.

No, you didn't say my name specifically. The news flash (which came across as quite sarcastic) and reference to the things I specifically mentioned did give that implication, though. If that wasn't your intent, I apologize.

 

[mcd2745]

No, you didn't say my name specifically. The news flash (which came across as quite sarcastic) and reference to the things I specifically mentioned did give that implication, though. If that wasn't your intent, I accept that.

Well, I'm sure if I had said "there's more to WDW than just Stich's Great Escape or Marakkesh"....the statement wouldn't have quite the same impact, now would it?

 

[Angel Ariel]

Well, I'm sure if I had said "there's more to WDW than just Stich's Great Escape or Marakkesh"....the statement wouldn't have quite the same impact, now would it?

Not so much, no Like I said, just explaining where my reaction came from.

 

[mcd2745]

Not so much, no Like I said, just explaining where my reaction came from.

No problemo.

And I will admit, sometimes, sarcasm comes as naturally to me as breathing.

 

[luvthemouse71]

Then I suck it up and find something else to do. It's a vacation- it's Disney- there are 1001+ things to enjoy. I wouldn't let not getting FP for one or two things ruin my trip. I'm not going to let it stress me out to the point that I freak.

Whoa, careful now. You're making too much sense and are calm and rational about this. That won't fly here.

 

[Sammie]

That looks pretty good. Of course, those are knowledgeable people but I would hope that the general public is also having this much success. I would also love to know how people feel once FP+ is the only FP available.


I don't think that it's fair to blame the users since Disney clearly has such a error-prone website. I've had my issues from time to time over the years and I don't think that I did anything wrong.

You might not, but I can't believe that some of the issues don't stem from users, dated browsers, slow connection speed etc.

Maybe I am just very lucky but I have never had issues with Disney websites.