Orlando Sentinel story about "inappropriate fondling" on the Dream

[Kendal]

Bottom line is no one here knows exactly what happened we all like to assume Disney done what they we are supposed to do I not a lawyer I don't know if this was handled the way it should of been in my opinion if there was any wrong doin on dianey a behalf I assume there would of been a law suit..... We all can either back Disney or put down Disney but like I said I assume they went by the law or there would of been a big problem brought to Disney by our government or te Bahamian government... Bottom line is we can't judge Disney for what we think is right or wrong.. They have laws to abide by wether we like it or not... And we have to hope they did what was right by te laws they have got... Disney I'm sure wants to do what is right or no one woul want to go to Disney or cruise dcl... Am I right about this??

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[Rogillio]

I want to make one thing perfectly clear Stace!

I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT ARTICLE!

AKK

LOL!

Maybe the Orlando news got it wrong and it was really CCL that dropped the ball?! Yeah, that's prolly it....

 

[honeymo78]

Bottom line is no one here knows exactly what happened we all like to assume Disney done what they we are supposed to do I not a lawyer I don't know if this was handled the way it should of been in my opinion if there was any wrong doin on dianey a behalf I assume there would of been a law suit..... We all can either back Disney or put down Disney but like I said I assume they went by the law or there would of been a big problem brought to Disney by our government or te Bahamian government... Bottom line is we can't judge Disney for what we think is right or wrong.. They have laws to abide by wether we like it or not... And we have to hope they did what was right by te laws they have got... Disney I'm sure wants to do what is right or no one woul want to go to Disney or cruise dcl... Am I right about this??

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I completely agree. If DCL did not break any laws, I don't expect more of a for-profit corporation. I don't look for pixie dust and magic when it comes to legal procedures/security investigations. I would hope that FL or the Feds would have been interested in prosecuting DCL for illegal acts back in Aug, if any had been committed. And if authorities wont pick on Disney, shame on them for making our laws useless. I also think major news outlets would have picked up the story if there were illegal acts by DCL.

If you don't like DCL's legal policies and procedures you need to let them know with a letter and your wallet. The legal minimum isn't always what I agree with but I can also understand when a company just complies with the law.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

LOL!

Maybe the Orlando news got it wrong and it was really CCL that dropped the ball?! Yeah, that's prolly it....

That's it Rogillio, we will blame the newspaper!

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I completely agree. If DCL did not break any laws, I don't expect more of a for-profit corporation. I don't look for pixie dust and magic when it comes to legal procedures/security investigations. I would hope that FL or the Feds would have been interested in prosecuting DCL for illegal acts back in Aug, if any had been committed. And if authorities wont pick on Disney, shame on them for making our laws useless. I also think major news outlets would have picked up the story if there were illegal acts by DCL.

If you don't like DCL's legal policies and procedures you need to let them know with a letter and your wallet. The legal minimum isn't always what I agree with but I can also understand when a company just complies with the law.

Someone posted a while ago that the law requiring cruise ships to notify local/ state or the FBI of sex crimes while onboard did not go into effect until October 2012, after this incident.

Assuming that is correct DCL did not break the law.................

AKK

 

[Rogillio]

I completely agree. If DCL did not break any laws, I don't expect more of a for-profit corporation. I don't look for pixie dust and magic when it comes to legal procedures/security investigations. I would hope that FL or the Feds would have been interested in prosecuting DCL for illegal acts back in Aug, if any had been committed. And if authorities wont pick on Disney, shame on them for making our laws useless. I also think major news outlets would have picked up the story if there were illegal acts by DCL.

If you don't like DCL's legal policies and procedures you need to let them know with a letter and your wallet. The legal minimum isn't always what I agree with but I can also understand when a company just complies with the law.

Agree. I've been deposed in lawsuits and advised by attorneys to answer the question asked and then shut up! Do not volunteer any information even if you think it helps and/or seems benign. Disney is not accused of breaking any laws...well, sans some DIS accusations. Answering questions would only inflame more questions.

 

[JnDRader]

Texas is so right! This is what it comes down to.... they had the information and the time to let the FL police handle it, but they chose not to. From all appearances this was an intentional act to keep the crime quiet at the expense of letting a child molester escape US jailtime. I would like to hear from Disney whether this was an error on the part of the Captain/someone in the DCL head office (and the mistake has been appropriately dealt with), or if this is their standard operating procedure.

Jumping to a lot of conclusions here. We don't know nearly enough facts to jump to those conclusions.

 

[Kendal]

Amen to that... Why can't people let it be yes I feel sorry for the girl and family but we can't accuse unless we know facts!!

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[rhorsley]

Someone posted a while ago that the law requiring cruise ships to notify local/ state or the FBI of sex crimes while onboard did not go into effect until October 2012, after this incident.

Assuming that is correct DCL did not break the law.................

AKK

The legislation quoted on the DCL site is from 2010. You can check it out under safety at the bottom of the home page.

 

[Zeppelin]

The question is, why is it NOT a national story? Why haven't any other news agencies vetted the story and/or did their own investgative jouralism. I don't buy everything that is printed or that new people report. I just don't. I've seen far too many times recently (hint NBC news) where tapes were altered specifically to make a news story totally twisting the facts! It happens all the time! Not saying it happened this time but when you only have one source, it is suspect.

If you think you "deserve answers" then let Disney know by not vacationing with them. You are right, the innuendo and specualtion will continue but until you get a national audience, it's down in the noise and won't compel Disney to do anything.

you're contradicting yourself...on one hand you want to claim there's some lack of credibility to this story since its not a national news story....yet on the other hand you talk about the news twisting the facts and mention a national news outlet- it sounds confused....

but if somehow the story won't have "credibility" in your opinion until it goes mainstream media (or lamestream media) all i can say is good luck......

 

[Beermam42]

i can understand the grandmother. We are talking about a 11 year old girl, from a foreign country, scare out of her wits and had already been asked a lot of questions about something she's been traumatized about.

You know with our screwed up legal system, with all the judges and lawyers busy making things best for the predator and not the victims. They would have put that poor girl though hell and back is interviews and testimony in a trial.

The grandmother was to my way of thinking was protecting the child.........i understand your feelings in asking why did she do press charges, but i can see and understand she was protecting her granddaughter.


Akk

amen end of storyy

 

[PatriciaH]

you're contradicting yourself...on one hand you want to claim there's some lack of credibility to this story since its not a national news story....yet on the other hand you talk about the news twisting the facts and mention a national news outlet- it sounds confused....

but if somehow the story won't have "credibility" in your opinion until it goes mainstream media (or lamestream media) all i can say is good luck......

It is all over the internet now. Where many people get their news/travel info. Twitter, Youtube (video comes up when searching for DCL videos-not good), every major Disney fan site with message boards has long threads on it, Facebook groups about DCL, travel agent forums, Cruise Critic, etc.

 

[Zeppelin]

I can understand the Grandmother. We are talking about a 11 year old girl, from a foreign country, scare out of her wits and had already been asked a lot of questions about something she's been traumatized about.

You know with our screwed up legal system, with all the judges and lawyers busy making things best for the predator and not the victims. They would have put that poor girl though hell and back is interviews and testimony in a trial.

The grandmother was to my way of thinking was protecting the child.........I understand your feelings in asking why did she do press charges, but I can see and understand she was protecting her granddaughter.


AKK

my only question is, and i don't know the answer, do charges need to be pressed by the victim in the case of assault/sexual assault of a minor when there's video evidence at hand???

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

my only question is, and i don't know the answer, do charges need to be pressed by the victim in the case of assault/sexual assault of a minor when there's video evidence at hand???

That is a question I do not have a answer too. Maybe someone in law enforcement or a lawyer in reading could help us with.

AKK

 

[Bella29]

Jumping to a lot of conclusions here. We don't know nearly enough facts to jump to those conclusions.

If you are saying that I am jumping to conclusions regarding the timeline of what happened in the first two hours, I disagree. We have the timeline constructed from the timestamped video and a reputable reporter's report of DCL's own incident report.

The rest I said is appearances. Until DCL explains their actions, we can only go on the apparent motive for their actions.

 

[Bella29]

amen end of storyy

beer maam, end of what story? If you mean the end of inane comments regarding the victim not making a scene, or the grandmother not protecting her child enough, I hope so!!

But definitely not the end of the story for those of us who want an explanation of DCL's role in this situation. That is the main issue here.

 

[Rogillio]

If you are saying that I am jumping to conclusions regarding the timeline of what happened in the first two hours, I disagree. We have the timeline constructed from the timestamped video and a reputable reporter's report of DCL's own incident report.

The rest I said is appearances. Until DCL explains their actions, we can only go on the apparent motive for their actions.

If the reporter had the DCL incident report, he should have published it. If he didn't have the report he had to rely on someone telling him what the report says. Not saying the report is wrong, just saying there are a lot of unanswered questions.

Assuming a 'motive' suggests foul play and this could very easily be one person's ignorance of the law.

 

[JnDRader]

If you are saying that I am jumping to conclusions regarding the timeline of what happened in the first two hours, I disagree. We have the timeline constructed from the timestamped video and a reputable reporter's report of DCL's own incident report.

The rest I said is appearances. Until DCL explains their actions, we can only go on the apparent motive for their actions.

Unless there is video that is more clear than what has been show it is inconclusive. It could be seen as supporting the girl's claim and it could also be seen as not proving anything. Like I said, maybe there's a video that is more clear.

Also, the reporter being reputable is a matter of opinion. I don't hold this reporter in high regard. Sensationalizing news doesn't make it more true. The reporter moved beyond facts and inserted conjecture. Until we see the report in its entirety, which I doubt we will, then it is still jumping to conclusions to believe that we have all the information needed. We don't even know exactly what the CM confessed to. Did he confess to purposely molesting the girl or did he confess to accidentally touching her?

As to appearances, that's exactly what I said. Jumping to conclusions. I can absolutely see where you are coming from but I think it's a rush to judgement. I'm not saying the DCL didn't try to cover it up, just that there isn't enough information to say for certain one way or another. There is the presumption of innocence in this country until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I see no reason to consider Disney guilty, yet.

 

[honeymo78]

my only question is, and i don't know the answer, do charges need to be pressed by the victim in the case of assault/sexual assault of a minor when there's video evidence at hand???

I'm not a criminal lawyer but I did go to law school. The victim does not have to press charges but they would eventually need her testimony. They might be able to charge him based on the video, but unless there is more footage, it's inconclusive and likely would not be enough for a conviction without the victims testimony. Many sex crimes go unprosecuted due to lack of physical evidence and lack of cooperation from the victim.

 

[Rogillio]

Unless there is video that is more clear than what has been show it is inconclusive. It could be seen as supporting the girl's claim and it could also be seen as not proving anything. Like I said, maybe there's a video that is more clear.

Also, the reporter being reputable is a matter of opinion. I don't hold this reporter in high regard. Sensationalizing news doesn't make it more true. The reporter moved beyond facts and inserted conjecture. Until we see the report in its entirety, which I doubt we will, then it is still jumping to conclusions to believe that we have all the information needed. We don't even know exactly what the CM confessed to. Did he confess to purposely molesting the girl or did he confess to accidentally touching her?

As to appearances, that's exactly what I said. Jumping to conclusions. I can absolutely see where you are coming from but I think it's a rush to judgement. I'm not saying the DCL didn't try to cover it up, just that there isn't enough information to say for certain one way or another. There is the presumption of innocence in this country until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I see no reason to consider Disney guilty, yet.

My sentiments exactly! It's easy to fall into the lynch mob mentality and jump on the bandwagon to hang Disney but there are too many unknowns. The girl was Bazilian and we don't even know if she spoke English or Portugeese. We've not seen the incident report.....only a reporter who claims to have talked to someone who claims to have seen it.

I know we'd all like for Disney to issue a press release on this but I don't see that happening. We might just have to accept that we will sooner get to the bottom of the Fast and Furious, Benghazi, AP wire taps and directed IRS audits scandals than to get to the bottom of the "DCL did not report an alledged molestation before leaving PC" scandal.

BTW, the 'resonable doubt' applies to criminal law. The bar is a little lower in civil court where the theshold is a "preponderance of the evidence'. But there is neither in this case yet.