Furious - need some clarity

[Allison]

I think some people are seeing this for what it is -- something that happened to a total stranger that most of us know only from posts on an internet bulletin board. It's a situation none of us saw and that all of us only have one side of. None of us know where she works or what kind of HR department they have or how these things are normally handled in her state / county / city / hospital.

And really ... it was a car accident. Happens, unfortunately, every day. It's why people have insurance. And it happened at work, which is why there are HR departments. All of these conspiracy theories swirling around regarding what the mean doctor and the skeevy HR department are going to try to do to the poor helpless pregnant woman who is being forced to drive a compact car ... Come on people. First-world problems.

OP is a grown-up. But some of you are treating her like a child who has apparently been living under a rock all her life. You're leading her along with suggestion after suggestion and theory after theory and fear after fear. And, I'm sorry Wishing on a star, but I think you DID create drama here. Go back to post #164. You started your post with:

OMG....
I'll bet you have left for work, and this may not get to you.

Which seems to imply that the fact that she's already left for work and this may not get to her means that she won't know what to do without your (or anyone else's) advice.

I imagine OP knows that she "is in a precarious situation here and needs to proceed carefully". Again ... she's an adult. She came here looking for "clarity". Her only question was: "Am I just filled with hormones and are they clouding my judgement?" How'd we get from that relatively simple question to this?

I think that might be what people mean when they say "creating drama".

Applause---Applause.

 

[Liberty Belle]

Exactly my point.

Funny how the lawyers on this board are telling her not to "lawyer up".

The reason I thought she should is just to see what all could happen or what to look for. As lawyers, you know if there's anything you could or couldn't do, etc.

 

[Social Worker Sue]

The reason I thought she should is just to see what all could happen or what to look for. As lawyers, you know if there's anything you could or couldn't do, etc.

And just because a "lawyer" is posting on a Disney board that no attorney is needed, well um, I don't know if the OP should abide It's just another opinion.

 

[LisaTC]

I didn't read through every page of this, but in our state, police wouldn't be called necessarily if the "accident" occurred on private property. It is wise to do so for insurance purposes. Our state statute requires an individual driving or operating a motor vehicle on any public or private property to stop after an accident or collision resulting in injury or damage to persons or property when they had knowledge of the accident or collision. They are also required to submit their information within twenty-four hours to a law enforcement officer if they were previously unable to give the information to the owner.

This offense is punishable as a misdemeanor of the first degree or felony of the fifth or third degree. Additionally, the alleged offenders drivers license will be suspended under a class five suspension, which will result in a suspension from at least six months to three years.

Your insurance company will likely try to impose the damages on her insurance company since there is video surveillance, even though it was private property because without her negligence, your car would be fine and it is clearly not. Any contact with her or requests from her to forego her responsibility is highly inappropriate and combative on her part. Hire an attorney to speak for you or at least have one write a letter to her to cease and desist with communicating directly with you and have your insurance company go after hers. That's why they have a million attorneys.

HR isn't living up to their own policies, but that happens. Clearly, she needs to be held accountable. It is unfortunate that all that has gone on has, well, gone on. As a physician, she has taken an oath to first do no harm, that doesn't just count in the operating room. An oath is an oath. She should pay for the damages and she should also be reprimanded for her actions and put on report if they are going to dig their heels in and not fire her per policy.

I'm so sorry you are going through this. I would not communicate with her or HR. I would allow mediation only via an external mediator.

 

[Disneyland1084]

Good luck today!

 

[DisReno]

Can't wait to hear back from the OP.

I do feel however, that she has gotten more than enough advice, some of it overly dramatic and over blown for the situation.

Also, for the posters who say "I haven't read through every post, but here's my take..." Well, your advice has already been given and if you had taken the time to read, you would have seen that.

Really, she's done nothing wrong and really all we need to do now is wait and see what HR says to her.

 

[TruRiRi]

If she gets fired, then she may not be able to pay you.

She also has children to support.

 

[aaarcher86]

If she gets fired, then she may not be able to pay you.

She also has children to support.

She isn't paying anything - her car insurance is. If she was covered during the incident losing her job now wouldn't really matter.

Frankly, I don't think the whole 'she has children to support' argument should mean squat to the OP. The doctor wasn't concerned about the repercussions of her actions towards the OP and her family and how it may have affected them... why should the OP worry about the doctor?

OP - you've done your part. The car is being fixed and the you do not have to come up with the deductible since she is at fault. You have nothing else to do in this matter. It can only cause as much stress as you let it from here on out. Hopefully everything went well in your meeting.

 

[Lorelei Lee]

She isn't paying anything - her car insurance is. If she was covered during the incident losing her job now wouldn't really matter.

Frankly, I don't think the whole 'she has children to support' argument should mean squat to the OP. The doctor wasn't concerned about the repercussions of her actions towards the OP and her family and how it may have effected them... why should the OP worry about the doctor?

OP - you've done your part. The car is being fixed and the you do not have to come up with the deductible since she is at fault. You have nothing else to do in this matter. It can only cause as much stress as you let it from here on out. Hopefully everything went well in your meeting.

The doctor's insurer is picking up the tab, of course.

But I agree with you on the "she has children to support" BS. If you don't pay your creditors, your creditors will pursue a claim against you in court. If you don't pay a creditor's judgment, you are subject to enforcement proceedings -- including wage garnishments and luens against your bank accounts and/or real property. And no one will care if you have "chikdren to support".

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[Lorelei Lee]

And just because a "lawyer" is posting on a Disney board that no attorney is needed, well um, I don't know if the OP should abide It's just another opinion.

As I said in my first post, the OP is free to consult an attorney. I'd never tell her not to if she thought she needed to talk to someone.

But what do you want that attorney to do for the OP? If I'm paying someone $450 an hour for their expertise, I kind of expect that I'll get some benefit from that expertise.

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[krcit]

I don't get all this at all. If another employee hit my car in the lot I would be of course ticked off, and think they were a bit of a jerk for only checking their own damage and driving off, but all the tears and hand wringing and talk of harassment and lawyers and getting her fired.. WTH?

Report to insurance, report to police, done and done. It was a car accident / fender bender, not a freaking vehicular homicide or somethi
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Exactly. I feel really bad for OP because it's just a real inconvenience for anyone but add in being pregnant and it really stinks. However, the car will be fixed and he rest is out of OP's hands.

 

[aaarcher86]

I don't get all this at all. If another employee hit my car in the lot I would be of course ticked off, and think they were a bit of a jerk for only checking their own damage and driving off, but all the tears and hand wringing and talk of harassment and lawyers and getting her fired.. WTH?

Report to insurance, report to police, done and done. It was a car accident / fender bender, not a freaking vehicular homicide or somethi
ng.

Exactly. I feel really bad for OP because it's just a real inconvenience for anyone but add in being pregnant and it really stinks. However, the car will be fixed and he rest is out of OP's hands.

Exactly! Super awful situation for the OP and totally get being crazy upset... but the biggest concern was finding the money for the deductible to get the car fixed. That part has now been taken care of. Is the doctor's attitude irritating? Yeah. I'd been a bit annoyed at being accosted in the parking lot, but at this point the OP's problem is being resolved. Hopefully after this meeting with HR it's finished and the OP can go about her business as she was before.

 

[Squirlz]

I don't get all this at all. If another employee hit my car in the lot I would be of course ticked off, and think they were a bit of a jerk for only checking their own damage and driving off, but all the tears and hand wringing and talk of harassment and lawyers and getting her fired.. WTH?

Report to insurance, report to police, done and done. It was a car accident / fender bender, not a freaking vehicular homicide or something.

Not this time anyway. The Doctor was obviously not paying attention. The car she hit could just as well have been a baby in a shopping cart. She needs to be taught that there are consequences to her actions.

 

[NaLisa]

I think some people are seeing this for what it is -- something that happened to a total stranger that most of us know only from posts on an internet bulletin board. It's a situation none of us saw and that all of us only have one side of. None of us know where she works or what kind of HR department they have or how these things are normally handled in her state / county / city / hospital.

And really ... it was a car accident. Happens, unfortunately, every day. It's why people have insurance. And it happened at work, which is why there are HR departments. All of these conspiracy theories swirling around regarding what the mean doctor and the skeevy HR department are going to try to do to the poor helpless pregnant woman who is being forced to drive a compact car ... Come on people. First-world problems.

 

[Liberty Belle]

Can't wait to hear back from the OP.

I do feel however, that she has gotten more than enough advice, some of it overly dramatic and over blown for the situation.

Also, for the posters who say "I haven't read through every post, but here's my take..." Well, your advice has already been given and if you had taken the time to read, you would have seen that.

Really, she's done nothing wrong and really all we need to do now is wait and see what HR says to her.

See, I don't get that. The more people give me the same advice, the more likely I'm going to follow it. I think there is benefit in people giving the same advice and if they don't have time to read the entire post, I don't see the big deal. I know some others feel the same way you do, though.

 

[Robbi]

When I talked about getting a lawyer it was not so she could sue the doctor for money. It was so she had someone who knows the law to represent her in any meetings. Like any company, they want to cover their rear end. I hope she doesn't sign anything w/out having someone look at it.

 

[Spacklefish]

The FACT that she let it go and did not attempt to find you to work things out tells you a lot about her character. You say shes a doctor, i wouldnt want a doctor with that kind if ethics working on me or my family. I say do what you can to get her fired!!!!!

 

[Lorelei Lee]

When I talked about getting a lawyer it was not so she could sue the doctor for money. It was so she had someone who knows the law to represent her in any meetings. Like any company, they want to cover their rear end. I hope she doesn't sign anything w/out having someone look at it.

Do you even know what the HR meeting was about?

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[TwingleMum]

I would make sure the police were notified. It is a crime to damage a car and leave the scene. Doesn't matter if the parking lot is private. I would also suggest the defendant needs to learn a lesson. I seriously doubt if the camera didn't capture the accident that the "good" doctor would have come forward. OP make sure you keep a log of dates ,times, who you spoke to and what they said it may come in handy if they pressure you,

 

[Robbi]

Do you even know what the HR meeting was about?

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No, of course I don't. Do you?