Jodi Arias Trial Part 7 GUILTY 1ST DEGREE!!!

[usnuzuloose]

Sorry guys, not sure how much I will be around tomorrow either. I have to work and then I have to do something at the kids school until 3:30 EST. i should be back for the afternoon session. Of all weeks to be busy.

Does that include some of the other thread?

 

[usnuzuloose]

BTW- Y'all have been busy today. 49 pages in less than 12 hours.

Plus the on the last thread...

 

[Thumper_Man]

I know that I could seperate the sentencing part of the trial from the deciding a verdict part..but if it came down to it, could I do it?

How do you all feel about that?

I read this on my train ride home. I had to actually think about this for a while before giving my answer. Could I put someone to death? It's easy for me to say, yes I could; especially in this situation. But I stopped to think about it more and actually try to put myself in the jurors shoes.

It's easy for me to say I could because I'm home and I'm not actually put into that situation. IF, and this hypothetically speaking, IF the jurors are truly not seeing anything on the internet, tv or any other type of media regarding this trial; and all they have to go by is what they've seen and heard inside the courtroom, if they have truly not discussed the case outside the courtroom with anyone, how hard is it really going to be for them to make that decision? If that's all I had to go by, and I was a juror, how hard would it be for me to make that decision?

I've had the convenience of watching the trial at home and/or at work. At my leisure I've been able to examine the evidence. I've been able to discuss the case with you all here and get clarity. I've been able to ask questions and go back to listen to old testimony. With all these resources available to me, I can very easily make a decision. Take all these resources away from me and give me just what the jurors got, I would find it to be a harder decision. Especially when it involves taking another life.

What Jodi did is horrendous, there is no denying that. Do I justify the taking of one life by taking another life? If she truly claims to be suicidal, am I granting her wish? From this end of the computer at home, I say fry her, put the needle in her arm now. She deserves it. Put me in the juror's chair and I probably would have a much different opinion. We truly don't know if the jurors have had any outside influence or not. IF they truly haven't, and I put myself in their shoes; I can honestly say I cannot answer the question on whether or not I could sentence someone to death, since I am not in that position.

In the end, my belief is that God is the true judge and I trust he will empower this jury to make the right decision. If she is not put to death, I certainly hope she is locked up forever.

 

[DarthKTrava]

Finally got caught up after being gone with nephew's ballgame and dinner out.

Had to turn the tv off to get Mom to leave. AND she asked me if I had anything she could watch the trial on while there. And wanting to rush dinner so she could get back as quickly as possible.

And for what?

So she could zonk out on the couch!!!

 

[PizzieDuster]

LOL...I'm close to zonking out....depending on who starts tomorrow (*Cough BIGMAN Cough*) I may be sleeping in.

The lady with the cane signed by JM is on JVM now. She got on the 'virtual jury'. What a controlled "live" circus it is out there outside the courthouse.

I'm looking forward to some numbing nonsense that is all that American Idol is now.

See ya my friends tomorrow...I'm fading fast...that's what insomnia does to ya Which means, a good night tonight would be to go to bed by midnight

Is the baby crib up yet ?

 

[DarthKTrava]

I may be close to zonking out too but I wasn't the one heck-bent on wanting to get back home quickly.

She was.

 

[PizzieDuster]

Plus the on the last thread...

I think I'm going to have to give you my cell phone number for when the verdict comes in. Has to do with my insomnia. I can sleep through a text, a tweet, but will hear my ringer (and the alarm, but that's not possible on a verdict) and jump up Go figure. Last night, I swear, I could not sleep. This was me at 5 am....

It may have to do with going through it myself...unfortunately, death penalty wasn't on the table, but I was there.....like the Alexander family is. It's awful. Awful. Our family had to go through 3!!!! Three murder trials, 3 different young men. Three other families in the hallway outside. Awful. Unfortunately, one was a minor and is out. The other 2 come up for parole pretty soon. Gotta go through it again. Twice and forever.

I hope she just gets put away for good. But for the family, she'll never be out of their lives. It's not over at the verdict. Sad, isn't it?

 

[momrek06]

VERY INSIGHTFUL post, Mike!

I still am not sure where I stand because like you, I have been a witness to soooooooo much more than the Jury. But if I was sitting on a Jury, could I sentence someone .... I just don't know. FOR JA, absolutely, LWOP for sure but then if I was on the Jury, gave JA LWOP and then saw that she never showed any remorse for Travis' death (which you see especially in the POLICE Tapes) and was profiting through her art, writing books etc I would probably be upset with my decision not to give her the DP. Because she committed one HORRIFIC murder. I just don't know. I just don't know.

I read this on my train ride home. I had to actually think about this for a while before giving my answer. Could I put someone to death? It's easy for me to say, yes I could; especially in this situation. But I stopped to think about it more and actually try to put myself in the jurors shoes.

It's easy for me to say I could because I'm home and I'm not actually put into that situation. IF, and this hypothetically speaking, IF the jurors are truly not seeing anything on the internet, tv or any other type of media regarding this trial; and all they have to go by is what they've seen and heard inside the courtroom, if they have truly not discussed the case outside the courtroom with anyone, how hard is it really going to be for them to make that decision? If that's all I had to go by, and I was a juror, how hard would it be for me to make that decision?

I've had the convenience of watching the trial at home and/or at work. At my leisure I've been able to examine the evidence. I've been able to discuss the case with you all here and get clarity. I've been able to ask questions and go back to listen to old testimony. With all these resources available to me, I can very easily make a decision. Take all these resources away from me and give me just what the jurors got, I would find it to be a harder decision. Especially when it involves taking another life.

What Jodi did is horrendous, there is no denying that. Do I justify the taking of one life by taking another life? If she truly claims to be suicidal, am I granting her wish? From this end of the computer at home, I say fry her, put the needle in her arm now. She deserves it. Put me in the juror's chair and I probably would have a much different opinion. We truly don't know if the jurors have had any outside influence or not. IF they truly haven't, and I put myself in their shoes; I can honestly say I cannot answer the question on whether or not I could sentence someone to death, since I am not in that position.

In the end, my belief is that God is the true judge and I trust he will empower this jury to make the right decision. If she is not put to death, I certainly hope she is locked up forever.

 

[PebblesMK]

I didn't make it through all of JM's closing and got to the end of Travis' rainbow and then had to leave. When the picture was put up of either Travis' back or his neck, Willie had an extremely somber look wash over her face. I think listening to everything laid out in such a..real way, made Willie stop and think "Wow, I can't believe I'm defending this awful person". Of course it was gone within a few seconds.

On After Dark, one of the fake jury members was talking about how terrible it was that Jodi left Travis in such a vulnerable position, without care. It speaks volumes on Jodi that she left him naked in the shower...sigh, what a terrible person.

I'm going to apply for jobs at Maricopa Co jail to be a nurse and hope that one day Jodi gets shanked and has a taste of her own medicine. Then she'll come in for help and while I will say I'm unbiased, I just may take a little extra time to stop the bleeding and probably not numb her up enough for stitches, and possibly will use straight up alcohol to pour in the wound to clean it up for her.

 

[usnuzuloose]

I think I'm going to have to give you my cell phone number for when the verdict comes in. Has to do with my insomnia. I can sleep through a text, a tweet, but will hear my ringer (and the alarm, but that's not possible on a verdict) and jump up Go figure. Last night, I swear, I could not sleep. This was me at 5 am....

It may have to do with going through it myself...unfortunately, death penalty wasn't on the table, but I was there.....like the Alexander family is. It's awful. Awful. Our family had to go through 3!!!! Three murder trials, 3 different young men. Three other families in the hallway outside. Awful. Unfortunately, one was a minor and is out. The other 2 come up for parole pretty soon. Gotta go through it again. Twice and forever.

I hope she just gets put away for good. But for the family, she'll never be out of their lives. It's not over at the verdict. Sad, isn't it?

I don't mind calling you. I am so sorry you have to go through this. You know what people do affects everyone. It can sometimes affect for life. Here is a hug and prayers that you will get through having to face your issue.

 

[usnuzuloose]

VERY INSIGHTFUL post, Mike!

I still am not sure where I stand because like you, I have been a witness to soooooooo much more than the Jury. But if I was sitting on a Jury, could I sentence someone .... I just don't know. FOR JA, absolutely, LWOP for sure but then if I was on the Jury, gave JA LWOP and then saw that she never showed any remorse for Travis' death (which you see especially in the POLICE Tapes) and was profiting through her art, writing books etc I would probably be upset with my decision not to give her the DP. Because she committed one HORRIFIC murder. I just don't know. I just don't know.

I am for the death penalty and I would not have a problem convicting if I found they really deserved the sentence. I would not have any guilt for doing so. The only thing I will say about god being the judge is that is the most misquoted thing of all time.

That is why the DP is put on the table , is that in a grand jury they found enough evidence to have it put on the table. I think allot of times when people won't put them on the DP is due to sympathy.

 

[BearcatsFan]

I'm honestly not sure, if put in that position, I could give someone the death penalty. I just don't know. I definitely want JA to be convicted, there's no doubt in my mind she's guilty and that she murdered him intentionally with premeditation. No doubt whatsoever. But could I, if I were on JA's jury, sentence her to death? I don't know if I could. That would be an awfully heavy burden, I think, and something I would carry around forever.

I do sometimes think, though, that serving LWOP for her would be a more severe penalty than a death sentence. Knowing that she's going to sit in that little tiny cell (since she's already mentioned over and over how small it is) FOREVER ... would maybe be worse for her.

I'm so conflicted.

 

[momrek06]

I am for the death penalty and I would not have a problem convicting if I found they really deserved the sentence. I would not have any guilt for doing so. The only thing I will say about god being the judge is that is the most misquoted thing of all time.

That is why the DP is put on the table , is that in a grand jury they found enough evidence to have it put on the table. I think allot of times when people won't put them on the DP is due to sympathy.

You are right, if the GRAND JURY has enough evidence to put it on the table than as a Juror I would need to be smart enough to realize that and after weighing and measuring all the evidence in a case, I think knowing my duty as a Juror (in THIS case) I would have to go with the DP.

As for ME, I have no sympathy for JA. (But again it's because of everything I know).

 

[Dee77]

I could definitely vote for the DP especially in this case since there is no question about who did it.. I would not have any second thoughts about it because LWOP is not good enough since she has not found an ounce of remorse in the last 5 years I doubt she ever would. Also I strongly disagree with her being able to read, have visitors, laugh, draw pictures and write letters and have fans etc for the rest of her life. She deserves nothing except a cocktail served directly to the bloodstream.

 

[momrek06]

I'm honestly not sure, if put in that position, I could give someone the death penalty. I just don't know. I definitely want JA to be convicted, there's no doubt in my mind she's guilty and that she murdered him intentionally with premeditation. No doubt whatsoever. But could I, if I were on JA's jury, sentence her to death? I don't know if I could. That would be an awfully heavy burden, I think, and something I would carry around forever.

I do sometimes think, though, that serving LWOP for her would be a more severe penalty than a death sentence. Knowing that she's going to sit in that little tiny cell (since she's already mentioned over and over how small it is) FOREVER ... would maybe be worse for her.

I'm so conflicted.

I feel your pain BUT like usnuz said 'where the Grand Jury had enough evidence for the DP', I really feel that needs to be really considered here.

 

[Dee77]

2 important things were brought up on After Dark on HLN, a resident was part of their AZ jury and she said that there are 2 Walmarts in the town that JA said she returned the gas can.. I hope JM is aware of that.


Lisa Bloom when answering a juror in the studio who said she wished JM had spent more time talking about the victim TA, Ms. Bloom an attorney said that JM knows what he is doing and he won't talk too much about TA because it could be grounds for an appeal if he overly discusses the victim attempting to gain sympathy from the jury..

 

[pigletgirl]

Hey guys, just a heads up. My husband is taking tomorrow off and so I probably won't be on much. I don't want you to think otherwise! I will let you all know if the baby is coming, or someone will. I will try my best to get on but no guarantees. D you think I could convince him to watch with me??

 

[momrek06]

2 important things were brought up on After Dark on HLN, a resident was part of their AZ jury and she said that there are 2 Walmarts in the town that JA said she returned the gas can.. I hope JM is aware of that.


Lisa Bloom when answering a juror in the studio who said she wished JM had spent more time talking about the victim TA, Ms. Bloom an attorney said that JM knows what he is doing and he won't talk too much about TA because it could be grounds for an appeal if he overly discusses the victim attempting to gain sympathy from the jury..

Didn't JM know the Walmart JA bought them from because they had receipts?

So the Clerk was from THAT Walmart I thought. Hence the Clerk was able to research all the registers at the location and note that NO gas cans were returned!

And if there were TWO Walmarts I am so sure Wilma would have been on top of it had JM picked the wrong one.

 

[momrek06]

Hey guys, just a heads up. My husband is taking tomorrow off and so I probably won't be on much. I don't want you to think otherwise! I will let you all know if the baby is coming, or someone will. I will try my best to get on but no guarantees. D you think I could convince him to watch with me??

Have fun, piglet, with your DH tomorrow!

 

[Dee77]

Didn't JM know the Walmart JA bought them from because they had receipts?

So the Clerk was from THAT Walmart I thought. Hence the Clerk was able to research all the registers at the location and note that NO gas cans were returned!

And if there were TWO Walmarts I am so sure Wilma would have been on top of it had JM picked the wrong one.

It was brought up sort of with the idea that maybe KN will say it as a last ditch effort to muster up some reasonable doubt..