Does anyone have an Avatarland update??

[twebber55]

I just love the Universal is so great and Disney is not talk. Bottom line is Universal is a pair of glorified amusement parks and top notch at that. But Disney is a massive world.All encompassing with an overall vibe and feeling that Universal will never have IMO.

its not that uni is so great and disney is not its that disney is not doing much right now and what they re doing is taking forever to build while uni is stepping up its game big time

dont remain satisfied with disney expect them to be the best

 

[rteetz]

honest question do you really believe what you just posted about universal?

Yes disney is great always has been and always will be universal will be the one playing catch up. I do like a lot of universal movies but when it comes to parks disney wins hands down.

 

[twebber55]

Listen buddy universal does It cheaper and quicker because they don't but the effort and quality into their work. Universal slaps stuff together why disney tells a story. Disney talks so long because they out so much detail in you need a magnifying glass.

i mean this part..to me this looks like you re letting disney slide because of past achievements..i mean how cheap does HP look or the new HP area in USF..which they started after and will finish almost the same time as seven dwarfs....

hey im a dsiney fan (thats why im on these types of boards) but lets hold them to a higher standard than what they ve been doing the past couple of years

 

[fr spodo komodo]

Listen buddy universal does It cheaper and quicker because they don't but the effort and quality into their work. Universal slaps stuff together why disney tells a story. Disney talks so long because they out so much detail in you need a magnifying glass.

i mean this part..to me this looks like you re letting disney slide because of past achievements..i mean how cheap does HP look or the new HP area in USF..which they started after and will finish almost the same time as seven dwarfs....

hey im a dsiney fan (thats why im on these types of boards) but lets hold them to a higher standard than what they ve been doing the past couple of years

How does HP land look cheap at all????

 

[DanBoris]

Listen buddy universal does It cheaper and quicker because they don't but the effort and quality into their work. Universal slaps stuff together why disney tells a story. Disney talks so long because they out so much detail in you need a magnifying glass.
The next gen stuff will eventually be a great thing once all the kinks work out. When fast pass first came out it had problems too. And guess who had to get a system similar universal had to do it. I bet after this next gen becomes a success which I believe it eventually will become universal will try something similar a lot of what they do is just a similar copy of a disney thing.

If that is the case then I am all for slapped together attractions! I would hold the quality and detail of Wizarding World up against anything Disney has built in it's US parks. All indications are that Phase 2 will be just as detailed and will introduce not one, but two groundbreaking new rides. I love Disney, but they are trying to get by on thier past success and that can only last so long. It's not likley that Universal could ever beat WDW on attendance and revenue, but they can cause WDW some serious pain if they keep uping thier game they way they have been.

 

[twebber55]

How does HP land look cheap at all????

For the record im defending uni

 

[rteetz]

If that is the case then I am all for slapped together attractions! I would hold the quality and detail of Wizarding World up against anything Disney has built in it's US parks. All indications are that Phase 2 will be just as detailed and will introduce not one, but two groundbreaking new rides. I love Disney, but they are trying to get by on thier past success and that can only last so long. It's not likley that Universal could ever beat WDW on attendance and revenue, but they can cause WDW some serious pain if they keep uping thier game they way they have been.

I believe that universal did do a good job on Harry potter but right now I think disney is waiting because of Avatarland I think Avatarland is going to bring a lot of new and exciting things that will stump universal in anything. We may not like it but the technology behind this attractions will be great. Also I think the mine train will be different from what disney has done before to. New fantasy land is a new and great experience. If you put disney world against universal as a whole not including attendance disney would defiantly win. There is just so much more there. Universal doesnt put there areas together like disney. Disney and there lands make it feel as if you in a separate part of the park and then you walk to another and it excluded as well. Universal nothing is hidden like that you can see a ton of stuff in each area.

 

[rteetz]

I'm not saying that universal is bad but I believe disney is held to a higher standard and it might be time to hold universal to that standard too. I have always been a huge disney fan and I always will be. I'm not saying I will never go to universal but I have been and plan to go to disney parks more than any universal so therefor I'm going to pull for anything disney.

 

[Dznefreek]

any clue on size and scope of this project?

No sorry, his father is getting ready to go to Japan to work on some other projects . . . . . .

 

[Dznefreek]

disney tells a story

I would venture a guess that the average WDW visitor does not know about nor care about story.

slapped together

Like Dino-rama at AK.

You obviously have not seen the WWOHP and gone through Hogwart's

 

[twebber55]

No sorry, his father is getting ready to go to Japan to work on some other projects . . . . . .

Thanks

 

[twebber55]

Listen buddy universal does It cheaper and quicker because they don't but the effort and quality into their work. Universal slaps stuff together why disney tells a story. Disney talks so long because they out so much detail in you need a magnifying glass.
The next gen stuff will eventually be a great thing once all the kinks work out. When fast pass first came out it had problems too. And guess who had to get a system similar universal had to do it. I bet after this next gen becomes a success which I believe it eventually will become universal will try something similar a lot of what they do is just a similar copy of a disney thing.

https://twitter.com/CaptMichael87/status/323979475916300290/photo/1

HP2 with two E tickets behind this awesome facade

so heres to hoping avatar and cars land is all that

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

are we just gonna ignore the broader context? nobody has questions box office sales...and nobody cares about academy award wins. red herring.
If disney was going to build "Slumdog Millionaire: Live on Stage" at the studios...would you be quoting the oscar resume?

~Sorry, but this is NOT true. No one, who has argued in support of Avatarland cared about the "film." EVER. The only time the film came up was from the opposing side. When we debunked all of the false assertions regarding the real success of Avatar, then the opposition had to spin the argument to save face, and NOW of course, the film's success doesn't matter -- blah, blah, blah. I just wanted to clarify, that was NEVER our argument -- we never brought box office stats and other silly nonsense to the table.

I talked with my friend whose dad is lead on the project.
Planning is going on and they are currently assigning other leads for the various projects involved with the expansion.

~Yay! Thanks for the update, Dznefreek! I can't wait to hear more details!!!

 

[lockedoutlogic]

~Sorry, but this is NOT true. No one, who has argued in support of Avatarland cared about the "film." EVER. The only time film came up was from the opposing side. When we debunked all of the false assertions regarding the real success of Avatar, then the opposition had to spin the argument to save face, and NOW of course, the film's success doesn't matter -- blah, blah, blah. I just wanted to clarify, that was NEVER our argument -- we never brought box office stats and other silly nonsense to the table.

You picked a whole bucket of cherries here...

You didn't post the box office figures...but you quoted them and ran with them. That is the ONLY bit of hard evidence to support that avatar is a good franchise...and therefore a good idea. And that evidence is weak and soft...not enough to convict.

I gave hard data on how it sold almost no licensed product...and therefore has little broad cultural impact...

If you are saying that broad appeal doesn't matter in a permanent theme park addition that not only had a huge upfront costs along with longterm significant overhead costs...then I'm willing to listen to the argument as to why that is. Convince me.

And "they told me during my college program orientation that everything Disney builds is great and nobody does it better than imagineering"...probably isnt going to quite do that.

 

[twebber55]

You picked a whole bucket of cherries here...

You didn't post the box office figures...but you quoted them and ran with them. That is the ONLY bit of hard evidence to support that avatar is a good franchise...and therefore a good idea. And that evidence is weak and soft...not enough to convict.

I gave hard data on how it sold almost no licensed product...and therefore has little broad cultural impact...

If you are saying that broad appeal doesn't matter in a permanent theme park addition that not only had a huge upfront costs along with longterm significant overhead costs...then I'm willing to listen to the argument as to why that is. Convince me.

And "they told me during my college program orientation that everything Disney builds is great and nobody does it better than imagineering"...probably isnt going to quite do that.

Here we go again. This is getting old. Shows you how little we have to talk about lol

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Here we go again. This is getting old. Shows you how little we have to talk about lol

on this we agree

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

You picked a whole bucket of cherries here...

You didn't post the box office figures...but you quoted them and ran with them. That is the ONLY bit of hard evidence to support that avatar is a good franchise...and therefore a good idea. And that evidence is weak and soft...not enough to convict.

I gave hard data on how it sold almost no licensed product...and therefore has little broad cultural impact...

If you are saying that broad appeal doesn't matter in a permanent theme park addition that not only had a huge upfront costs along with longterm significant overhead costs...then I'm willing to listen to the argument as to why that is. Convince me.

And "they told me during my college program orientation that everything Disney builds is great and nobody does it better than imagineering"...probably isnt going to quite do that.

~Cute. ~Oh please, I didn't "run" with anything. Again, those of us who are in support of Avatarland never questioned the merits of the film -- this was brought to the table by the opposition, once we successfully refuted the false allegations regarding the film -- now, the opposition wants to say the film doesn't matter, well sure -- we already know that. But, since it was brought to the table repeatedly, we had to break it down to reveal the truth. It goes without saying that the licensing of merchandise has minimal impact on how successful an attraction can be. I don't have any stats on Avatar but I do know Avatar sold 19.7 million dvd/blu ray, which is roughly half of their 40 million facebook fans.

~You don't need "broad cultural impact" to define a theme park experience or to create & build a new immersive attraction(s) -- it's not a prerequisite. By this logic, we wouldn't have many amusement parks or attractions -- would we??? The New Fantasyland is a prime example of great classic quintessential Disney -- this is what everyone here raved about nonstop, but in reality -- the reviews have been lukewarm & underwhelmed, it's not a runaway success by any stretch of the imagination.

Anyway, the film has NEVER been our argument, not ever. We don't care -- it's the budget, creativity, innovation and attention to detail that matter. It's more than okay to bash Avatar, that's fine. You'll run into trouble once you start to justify why it shouldn't be built, that's simply a matter of opinion, one that is also subject to change. I'm am really excited and can't wait for more details on Avatarland, when people bash and say they hate it, I get more excited & love the idea even more, lol!

 

[super mike b]

Anyway, the film has NEVER been our argument, not ever. We don't care.....

I don't get this.

 

[Postal68]

Avatar had commercial success because of one reason. It was supposed to have the greatest 3D ever released. The film as a whole stunk, and as others have mentioned, it was not a huge merchandising entity and there were no campaign of people longing for Avatar 2.

I'm sure this land will probably get one cool ride and then a bunch of boring environmental stuff which AK is already dedicated to teaching. AK is the worst park, hands down and adding this crap isn't going to help that fact.

Instead of naming it Avatarland they should save time and just name it PeopleWon'tCareLand.

 

[beer dave]

~Cute. ~Oh please, I didn't "run" with anything. Again, those of us who are in support of Avatarland never questioned the merits of the film -- this was brought to the table by the opposition, once we successfully refuted the false allegations regarding the film -- now, the opposition wants to say the film doesn't matter, well sure -- we already know that. But, since it was brought to the table repeatedly, we had to break it down to reveal the truth. It goes without saying that the licensing of merchandise has minimal impact on how successful an attraction can be. I don't have any stats on Avatar but I do know Avatar sold 19.7 million dvd/blu ray, which is roughly half of their 40 million facebook fans.

~You don't need "broad cultural impact" to define a theme park experience or to create & build a new immersive attraction(s) -- it's not a prerequisite. By this logic, we wouldn't have many amusement parks or attractions -- would we??? The New Fantasyland is a prime example of great classic quintessential Disney -- this is what everyone here raved about nonstop, but in reality -- the reviews have been lukewarm & underwhelmed, it's not a runaway success by any stretch of the imagination.

Anyway, the film has NEVER been our argument, not ever. We don't care -- it's the budget, creativity, innovation and attention to detail that matter. It's more than okay to bash Avatar, that's fine. You'll run into trouble once you start to justify why it shouldn't be built, that's simply a matter of opinion, one that is also subject to change. I'm am really excited and can't wait for more details on Avatarland, when people bash and say they hate it, I get more excited & love the idea even more, lol!

Thanks for a great post. I also liked the photo of star wars desert. I try to limit my "hating". It's such a waste of energy. This is a vacation destination.