$95 Fee?

[paults]

Dean, I'm too

 

[Firebug]

I don't want to seem unkind, really I don't, but I can hardly decipher this post. I feel even worse because I think you poured yourself out there in it. I guess I'm just not smart enough to understand them well. I'll answer based on what I think you're saying and hope I'm close.

If you're saying that you feel whether a person bought resale or not determines how they look at things, I'm sure that's true some but not very often. Realistically most people who bought resale still have all the options of a retail purchase. Going forward that will change. Put another way, if you are taking the purchase type as a code to how to take a given person's post, I think you're doing yourself and them a grave disservice.

As for walking, I am not in favor of it but it's currently allowed within the rules so any issue I'd have would be with DVC, not the members. Personally, and I know many disagree, I feel any change should be a cancelation and rebooking which would stop almost all walking. I haven't done so and don't intend to but as long as it's allowed I might have something important enough down the road that I would use the option if still available. As for seeing anyone that posts negatively about it seemingly to try to dissuade others from using it, I don't recall an example where I thought that might be the case. This is an area where I think you are looking for issues where there are none.

There's no need to put my name in quotations, I am not hiding behind a pseudonym, that's my name. I'm not offended but I get the impression you thought otherwise.

I'm not sure why you're hung up on the RCI issues. It does not harm your or another member in any way at all related to the exchanges in or rentals. If anything, it adds value to the other options even for those those that don't contemplate exchanges. Unfortunately for DVC members trying to exchange out it is what it is. The reality is that with any high end timeshare, exchanging is almost always a lost proposition and the things that aren't are very unlikely to come through. I also find that DVC members don't investigate enough or plan far enough out to be successful as a rule. This is another area where I think you are seeing conspiracies where I see none. The reality is that for every exchange in there had to be a DVC member who exchanged out. Plus several of those who do exchange in at times are members also, like myself. I can't speak for others but I am certain that my posts on the subject, if they have any effect, would be to decrease my chances of exchanging in, not increase my chances.

I also seem to recall that you were thinking that some DVC members had a way to get reservations under the table. I have never seen an issue where I thought this was the case.

My reasons for suggesting that I didn't feel you should own DVC is simply that, as best I can interpret your posts, you do not trust DVD/DVC, do not trust any member that posts something different from what you thought was the way it was supposed to be and tend to see conspiracies where there are none. You complain about that you were lied to on your sales presentation and that you were unhappy how it was handled when you complained about it though to my knowledge you have never given specifics enough that we could know whether this is a reasonable judgement or not. That's why I said I discount that it was, that and the FACT that this is not usual for DVD to lie on sales presentations. It happens but isn't routine like some systems. I can hardly think of a positive post from you related to using or owning DVC.

Again, I don't want to be unkind but I also don't want to be dishonest. I know at times some take my posts that I intend as honest and straight forward to be harsh and insensitive but I can assure you that's far from the case as anyone who's asked me for information privately can attest.

I am guessing that English is not his first language.

FB

 

[Dean]

I am guessing that English is not his first language.

FB

I thought that too but there were issues that suggested to me that English was the primary language. Maybe I was wrong but it doesn't change anything does it?

 

[Firebug]

I thought that too but there were issues that suggested to me that English was the primary language. Maybe I was wrong but it doesn't change anything does it?

Nope, it is still difficult to follow in either regard.

FB

 

[dianeschlicht]

Dean, you have to do like I do. I quit reading and responding to those posts long ago. I can't understand them and don't seem to be understood when I respond, so I save myself the trouble and ignore.

 

[Dean]

Dean, you have to do like I do. I quit reading and responding to those posts long ago. I can't understand them and don't seem to be understood when I respond, so I save myself the trouble and ignore.

Maybe and i've heard from others to the same end but I hate for everyone to ignore a member and totally marginalize them. Plus I'm hoping at some point to get the info on the purchase concern.

 

[a742246]

Dean, I am amazed on how well you write and how you put thoughts to paper. Not to many people can do that! I know I can't.

 

[DizBub]

Ok, can I jump in and ask a question regarding the thread title?

Say I bought or rented one of the e-bay offerings with the $95 fee. Who would collect this money? The ads say that you have to pay it to Disney upon check-in but it seems like these transactions are frowned upon and I would be too worried that my planned/paid for vacation would evaporate.

How do people who trade in with RCI and use it themselves pay this fee? Do they write a check or use a credit card at the front desk or do they send it in advance?

 

[WebmasterDoc]

Ok, can I jump in and ask a question regarding the thread title?

Say I bought or rented one of the e-bay offerings with the $95 fee. Who would collect this money? The ads say that you have to pay it to Disney upon check-in but it seems like these transactions are frowned upon and I would be too worried that my planned/paid for vacation would evaporate.

How do people who trade in with RCI and use it themselves pay this fee? Do they write a check or use a credit card at the front desk or do they send it in advance?

The fee will be paid at arrival at the resort. It will not be sent in advance. Unless your name is on the reservation you would not even be allowed to check-in and if there is any indication that it was a rental the reservation may have been canceled by RCI before you even arrive without your knowledge. If a "Guest" certificate has been issued in your name by RCI and the name changed on the reservation to match the certificate you might be OK at arrival, but that is still too many potential issues for me to take the chance and rent from a complete stranger over the internet (sort of akin to responding to the Nigerian Prince needing your help to settle an inheritance - where you'd stand to share in the inheritance).

Good luck!

 

[DizBub]

The fee will be paid at arrival at the resort. It will not be sent in advance. Unless your name is on the reservation you would not even be allowed to check-in and if there is any indication that it was a rental the reservation may have been canceled by RCI before you even arrive without your knowledge. If a "Guest" certificate has been issued in your name by RCI and the name changed on the reservation to match the certificate you might be OK at arrival, but that is still too many potential issues for me to take the chance and rent from a complete stranger over the internet (sort of akin to responding to the Nigerian Prince needing your help to settle an inheritance - where you'd stand to share in the inheritance).

Good luck!

I don't think I'd touch this with a 10' pole. Just wondering how the process works. There seems to be plenty of these types of rentals on e-bay and they get sold or won in auctions.

That said, I have rented a couple of confirmed reservations from complete strangers on the internet (owners on rent/trade board). One turned out fantastic and the second one I'll have to wait until Dec to find out how that goes.

Thanks for the reply!

 

[Dean]

Dean, I am amazed on how well you write and how you put thoughts to paper. Not to many people can do that! I know I can't.

I thank you and I try including proof reading generally. I know there are others that do better than I in expressing their thoughts. I can get wordy and technical at times but I've gotten better overall in this area and I've ceased trying to convince people (sometimes) and just let them know my opinion and let it speak for itself where applicable.

Ok, can I jump in and ask a question regarding the thread title?

Say I bought or rented one of the e-bay offerings with the $95 fee. Who would collect this money? The ads say that you have to pay it to Disney upon check-in but it seems like these transactions are frowned upon and I would be too worried that my planned/paid for vacation would evaporate.

How do people who trade in with RCI and use it themselves pay this fee? Do they write a check or use a credit card at the front desk or do they send it in advance?

The rule used to be to pay ahead of time though they would take it at check in, they now only take it at check in. The fee goes to DVD ultimately.

 

[Lil' Grumpy]

...sorry, but been busy with other matters.

...will i be, dean is your name? i just thought a reference to a
personal accomplishments.

i have read many of your posts, & already realized you are sincere
& offering concrete advice..even when there/their misunderstandings.

yes, i haven't seen anything that has effected my opinions about
the ongoing problems with dvc management. ( just because they
are adding "postings" restrictions does not take away the abuses. )
however,
i didn't mean to give the idea that there shouldn't be fringe
benefits for workers....it just when the levels changed those that
"paid" & are denied - there should be interventions. nor did ever
thought those taking advantage of , have any intentions of doing wrong.
i was suggesting that the numbers of incidents-and the type of things
some of the things they are doing...dvc should already be responding
with corrective actions.

when i look @ the problems being posted, wow...i like to be an
insider where i could do some changes. from my observations,
the solutions are endless. at the very least, there should be a
separate group that do not have any conflict of interests.

the big picture for me, is this only pertains to our vacation dollars.
while we enjoy our vacations, there are more important matters.

i also have interests in the things effecting our country well-being.
the major problems we have are concerning to the directions
we are currently using. but for all the problems effecting our well being,
there are solutions if "real" problem solving is added. things that
can promote health & success, are the same things we already
know. but they do no good when they are ignored or forgotten.

reader digest did a great story about cheating in college. it has
more value than most recognize....think about roles that we
depend on....like a doctor, that never learn their trade...&
are making life & death decisions?

 

[Dean]

...sorry, but been busy with other matters.

...will i be, dean is your name? i just thought a reference to a
personal accomplishments.

i have read many of your posts, & already realized you are sincere
& offering concrete advice..even when there/their misunderstandings.

yes, i haven't seen anything that has effected my opinions about
the ongoing problems with dvc management. ( just because they
are adding "postings" restrictions does not take away the abuses. )
however,
i didn't mean to give the idea that there shouldn't be fringe
benefits for workers....it just when the levels changed those that
"paid" & are denied - there should be interventions. nor did ever
thought those taking advantage of , have any intentions of doing wrong.
i was suggesting that the numbers of incidents-and the type of things
some of the things they are doing...dvc should already be responding
with corrective actions.

when i look @ the problems being posted, wow...i like to be an
insider where i could do some changes. from my observations,
the solutions are endless. at the very least, there should be a
separate group that do not have any conflict of interests.

the big picture for me, is this only pertains to our vacation dollars.
while we enjoy our vacations, there are more important matters.

i also have interests in the things effecting our country well-being.
the major problems we have are concerning to the directions
we are currently using. but for all the problems effecting our well being,
there are solutions if "real" problem solving is added. things that
can promote health & success, are the same things we already
know. but they do no good when they are ignored or forgotten.

reader digest did a great story about cheating in college. it has
more value than most recognize....think about roles that we
depend on....like a doctor, that never learn their trade...&
are making life & death decisions?

Thanks, a much more understandable post, than you. The only things I'll say are that I don't see abuses or insiders taking advantage of the system. What I do see is members using the system as it's set up and to their advantage. That's a big difference and the way ALL systems work. Those that put the work into understanding and playing by the rules get the most out of ANY system.

It seems you feel that DVD/DVC is in control of this forum, I do not believe that's the case. Assuming you're referring to the fact that DIS does not allow postings outside the DVC rules, there are other reasons. I assume there are at least 2 reasons, preventing encouraging others to violate the rules and those type of threads tend to get testy quickly. I would appreciate it if you spell out the "ongoing problems with DVC management" and the areas where you think there are inappropriate abuses of the system. I just don't see it. There certainly are things I would change were I in charge but to be honest, most are system oriented aimed at cost/fee saving and not individual member friendly otherwise.

Having read your posts over the past few years I remain convinced you see problems and conspiracies where there are none. My guess/impression is it stems from some misunderstanding related to your purchase and you're still bitter about it.

 

[Chuck S]

DVC/DVD/Disney does not control our forums in any way. The moderators and webmasters (all volunteers) work together to establish and enforce our posting guidelines and we do review and comment on them "off stage" whenever one of us feels like any of them need to be changed or clarified. As far as the Rent/Trade board, our posting rules were on every DIS DVC related board for several months and open to all comments before taking effect in February 2010. There has only been one minor change since that time, the addition of the gold and premium payment options.

As far as posts suggesting/discussing ways to bypass established and published DVC rules, that rule has been in place almost as long as I've been a moderator on these forums. And wouldn't it be a disservice to all fellow DVC Members to have a forum that would say how to sneak additional guests over the stated occupancy into the rooms, how to cheat on the Dining Plans (especially as the plans are completely optional) and so on?

As far as walking a reservation, I personally do not like the practice, but there is nothing in the current DVC booking rules that forbids it, nothing that forbids renting (in fact all of our documents say we have that right), nothing that forbids the use of a rental broker by a member and nothing that forbids booking rooms right at the 11 month window solely for speculative rentals. In fact, our DVC Rent/Trade board frowns on that practice, and we require the purchase of a fairly expensive membership to offer an existing booked reservation outside the 30 day window...and we further limit such offerings to 3 per 12 month period, even with the Premium level membership.

I've seen nothing to indicate that Disney/DVC has not lived up to the terms of their contractual obligations to owners. I do not see evidence of Disney hoarding rooms for cash, employee use or giveaways. If you're talking about things outside those contracts, like discounts and perks, there is no questions that those can disappear at anytime.

As far as RCI or II, our contracts state that having such trading options are not guaranteed, but that DVC will make every effort to maintain a relationship with a trading partner. Disney and DVC no doubt looks at what the major players have to offer, and makes their decision about which company to use based on several factors...but no matter which company they choose to trade with, DVC has to work within that company's infrastructure and trading rules.

Personally, I'd like to see Member Services have less of a role in RCI transactions and for each individual member to have their own RCI membership, if desired. I also think having access to all the RCI resorts, rather than just the upper tier resorts, would be good. But the RCI/DVC interface is what it is. It is doubtful DVC would ever give members full access. The first time a member not familiar with trading were to trade to a less than desirable location, no doubt the internet would be ablaze with their complaints, demanding a refund of their DVC points and protection from DVC. Thus we have the limited selection of RCI resorts from which to choose and a DVC corporate RCI membership.

 

[Lil' Grumpy]

i do notice things when they keep repeating &
i am wondering why dvc are ignoring problems that are
costing them/owners money?

i also understand the dvc system better since coming here
and paying attention.

i am not discourage because there are problems but the
major trends have me looking who benefiting from the neglect.

i don't know it is even possible, but i wish owners could
find out the qualifications of dvc workers so certain
questions could be ask, to a quality assurance office-
that is not connected to dvc directly. since joining,
we have learn not to take them for granted.

i look @ your conclusion & can see the reasoning that gave
the impression. fyi, i only posted the things we experienced
during our first year. please be advised - we have continue
to be plagued with issues . and if you knew the implications,
would change your understanding & why i haven't given
dvc my confidence. i plan on being caution whenever we
are using our dvc. however, that isn't to say that dvc
hasn't done effective problem solving...but my goal is-
in hoping- there are some administration changes so
these types of problems do not happen in the first place.

what a very cool idea "chuck s"..about rci,

i don't have any special insights within the disney company,
but i do socializing with many working for, & they have
expressed disney used the "boards" here as a resource.
when i think about how much i have learn here, i view
this as being very savory & smart. and i am hoping they
are reading this one.

and finally to clear up some of the confusion i am responsible
for. sorry. i thought my expressions were defined being
my personal feelings on the values i rely on. they are my guides
that i am using ever day. but i also "add" my professional
skills , simply because they work & they are focusing on
problem solving/corrective measures. ( promoting good
health & well being). sometimes i have shared some of
the postings with my fellow colleagues...however, just want
to post...it's ok not to agreed.

...i did think it was interesting that a poster , i have never met,
took it as an opportunity to insult my english. & if he didn't
see it as english, wondering what other things he was seeing?
ok...enough joking, but after all- psych. does it with feelings,
however, on a serious observation--i 've seen
this type repeated here when there are secret agenda...
maybe he is dvc owner ..or just rci .....could've been a renter.
nahh, with such a strong expression, i am betting he was an
owner with cm powers. the thing is, one does not have
the "need" to have the whole world liking them. all one
really "needs" , is just to have a few others that value their
well being & respecting their feelings.

oh, don't know too much about the rci resorts, but some
co-workers expressed some pia conditions @ las vegas.
like extra charges for using any of the facilities-pool &
so forth.

i like to share my view on faith. isn't that what one truly
feels inside their heart?

 

[Dean]

i do notice things when they keep repeating &
i am wondering why dvc are ignoring problems that are
costing them/owners money?

i also understand the dvc system better since coming here
and paying attention.

i am not discourage because there are problems but the
major trends have me looking who benefiting from the neglect.

i don't know it is even possible, but i wish owners could
find out the qualifications of dvc workers so certain
questions could be ask, to a quality assurance office-
that is not connected to dvc directly. since joining,
we have learn not to take them for granted.

i look @ your conclusion & can see the reasoning that gave
the impression. fyi, i only posted the things we experienced
during our first year. please be advised - we have continue
to be plagued with issues . and if you knew the implications,
would change your understanding & why i haven't given
dvc my confidence. i plan on being caution whenever we
are using our dvc. however, that isn't to say that dvc
hasn't done effective problem solving...but my goal is-
in hoping- there are some administration changes so
these types of problems do not happen in the first place.

what a very cool idea "chuck s"..about rci,

i don't have any special insights within the disney company,
but i do socializing with many working for, & they have
expressed disney used the "boards" here as a resource.
when i think about how much i have learn here, i view
this as being very savory & smart. and i am hoping they
are reading this one.

and finally to clear up some of the confusion i am responsible
for. sorry. i thought my expressions were defined being
my personal feelings on the values i rely on. they are my guides
that i am using ever day. but i also "add" my professional
skills , simply because they work & they are focusing on
problem solving/corrective measures. ( promoting good
health & well being). sometimes i have shared some of
the postings with my fellow colleagues...however, just want
to post...it's ok not to agreed.

...i did think it was interesting that a poster , i have never met,
took it as an opportunity to insult my english. & if he didn't
see it as english, wondering what other things he was seeing?
ok...enough joking, but after all- psych. does it with feelings,
however, on a serious observation--i 've seen
this type repeated here when there are secret agenda...
maybe he is dvc owner ..or just rci .....could've been a renter.
nahh, with such a strong expression, i am betting he was an
owner with cm powers. the thing is, one does not have
the "need" to have the whole world liking them. all one
really "needs" , is just to have a few others that value their
well being & respecting their feelings.

oh, don't know too much about the rci resorts, but some
co-workers expressed some pia conditions @ las vegas.
like extra charges for using any of the facilities-pool &
so forth.

i like to share my view on faith. isn't that what one truly
feels inside their heart?

I'm sorry but I have hardly any idea what you just said and even less how it pertains to what we've been discussing here. Unless you want to post specific problems or concerns, I personally don't see any reason to continue this particular discussion and I think most everyone else is long gone.

 

[Firebug]

i do notice things when they keep repeating &
i am wondering why dvc are ignoring problems that are
costing them/owners money?

i also understand the dvc system better since coming here
and paying attention.

i am not discourage because there are problems but the
major trends have me looking who benefiting from the neglect.

i don't know it is even possible, but i wish owners could
find out the qualifications of dvc workers so certain
questions could be ask, to a quality assurance office-
that is not connected to dvc directly. since joining,
we have learn not to take them for granted.

i look @ your conclusion & can see the reasoning that gave
the impression. fyi, i only posted the things we experienced
during our first year. please be advised - we have continue
to be plagued with issues . and if you knew the implications,
would change your understanding & why i haven't given
dvc my confidence. i plan on being caution whenever we
are using our dvc. however, that isn't to say that dvc
hasn't done effective problem solving...but my goal is-
in hoping- there are some administration changes so
these types of problems do not happen in the first place.

what a very cool idea "chuck s"..about rci,

i don't have any special insights within the disney company,
but i do socializing with many working for, & they have
expressed disney used the "boards" here as a resource.
when i think about how much i have learn here, i view
this as being very savory & smart. and i am hoping they
are reading this one.

and finally to clear up some of the confusion i am responsible
for. sorry. i thought my expressions were defined being
my personal feelings on the values i rely on. they are my guides
that i am using ever day. but i also "add" my professional
skills , simply because they work & they are focusing on
problem solving/corrective measures. ( promoting good
health & well being). sometimes i have shared some of
the postings with my fellow colleagues...however, just want
to post...it's ok not to agreed.

...i did think it was interesting that a poster , i have never met,
took it as an opportunity to insult my english. & if he didn't
see it as english, wondering what other things he was seeing?
ok...enough joking, but after all- psych. does it with feelings,
however, on a serious observation--i 've seen
this type repeated here when there are secret agenda...
maybe he is dvc owner ..or just rci .....could've been a renter.
nahh, with such a strong expression, i am betting he was an
owner with cm powers. the thing is, one does not have
the "need" to have the whole world liking them. all one
really "needs" , is just to have a few others that value their
well being & respecting their feelings.

oh, don't know too much about the rci resorts, but some
co-workers expressed some pia conditions @ las vegas.
like extra charges for using any of the facilities-pool &
so forth.

i like to share my view on faith. isn't that what one truly
feels inside their heart?

I am still here and I did not insult your English. I merely suggested that English may not be your first language. I did this because your posts are nearly impossible to understand at times. This is due to the incorrect syntax, grammatical errors, incorrect tense usage, and many other errors. With that said, you are still entitled to your opinion. Personally, I am just having trouble understanding what that opinion is.

It is clear you think that there is something wrong with how DVC does its business and that you attribute it to intentional wrong doing. However, without you giving very specific examples with all the information clearly stated a discussion concerning them is pointless.

FB

 

[bumbershoot]

I have questions and comments inside the quote (that I've edited to be clear about what I am referring to with my questions/comments).

i do notice things when they keep repeating &
i am wondering why dvc are ignoring problems that are
costing them/owners money?


What things do you see that keep repeating? What do you think DVC is ignoring? Why do you get the impression DVC is ignoring things? What problems are causing owners money?


i don't know it is even possible, but i wish owners could
find out the qualifications of dvc workers so certain
questions could be ask, to a quality assurance office-
that is not connected to dvc directly. since joining,
we have learn not to take them for granted.

What DVC workers are you concerned with? Why do you not trust QA set up by the company?



please be advised - we have continue
to be plagued with issues . and if you knew the implications,
would change your understanding & why i haven't given
dvc my confidence.


What on earth has happened with your use of DVC, with your vacations, that has caused these feelings? It would help SO much if you would lay it all out, instead of hint at things that *no one knows about*.

We've had troubles on our vacations, like the recent 2 hours it took to put charging on our account at SSR, which was solely done in order to access the compensation they offered us for other issues. But it doesn't make us think that there's a conspiracy, or problems with anything other than what they tell us there are problems with. At every new check-in we have expectations that it will all be fine going forward.

So what has happened on YOUR vacations?



...i did think it was interesting that a poster , i have never met,
took it as an opportunity to insult my english. & if he didn't
see it as english, wondering what other things he was seeing?


You use partial sentences. You don't capitalize. You write like you are talking, but if you were saying what you were saying to my face, I would be interrupting to ask tons of questions to figure out what you mean. You have been told many times that your posts are VERY difficult to understand, but you've never changed your style. At this point you're going to have to understand that many people have a VERY hard time understanding what you're saying, and that doesn't even take into account the hints that you make about problems and reasons for problems.


ok...enough joking, but after all- psych. does it with feelings,
however, on a serious observation--i 've seen
this type repeated here when there are secret agenda...
maybe he is dvc owner ..or just rci .....could've been a renter.
nahh, with such a strong expression, i am betting he was an
owner with cm powers.

With that last paragraph I quoted, please, what are you talking about? You are the one I've seen consistently hinting at things, hinting at agendas, wondering who people are, etc. Now it seems you are saying that others make those hints? Who are you talking about that might be an owner, might be RCI, might be a renter? I don't understand.


Like Dean, I continue to read your posts because I want to understand. From what I've gleaned, your family and mine joined at around the same time. I had a great guide, but I don't think you did. We've had problems (that I've talked plainly about a lot LOL, and some don't feel we've actually had problems) but we don't distrust the system; you've had mysterious problems that you hint at. We would LIKE to know about them, specifically. It would help to understand the problems and where you're coming from.


Also, your first reply to this was about how DVC isn't stopping naughty things from happening. But so many of the posts here, after explaining what the fee is and when it would be collected, talked about how RCI probably *would* catch such a rental and put a stop to it. Just because we see a rental offered doesn't mean the person who goes to check-in at the hotel will be allowed to check-in, if it's not a bonafide reservation done right.

Just like we have no right to know what a CC company does when they catch fraud on our account (b/c they are compensating us, and it's not our money being taken), we have no right to know what RCI and DVC does with people being naughty. Since we have no right to know it, we don't end up knowing it. But just because we don't see it happening doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I'm sure they catch problems all the time. We just aren't privy to the information.

 

[smidgy]

good job, Molly!