Triumph Problems...cancellations/ pricing

[Postal68]

After the Concordia tragedy and now the problems on the Triumph, they say they expect industry wide cancellations and less bookings.

Any chance some of the Disney prices will come down, and if they do on a previously booked cruise will we be able to get a price adjustment?

 

[ilovetexas]

Seriously????

 

[Minnie321]

I agree seriously - if anything Disney prices are going to go up because people are going to look at them as the safe choice. We were on the Magic this week. Sunday night around 1 am I was on my balcony and we saw a ship - we thought it was neat to see another ship. We also thought it strange that we went in so close to the other ship and also strange that it wasn't moving. Later found out that it was the Triumph, and the Magic was checking to make sure that they were okay. Anyway the talk around the ship in the days to follow did not have anything to do with cancelling cruises - only being glad they were booked with Disney and would not ever book with Carnival. I personally see this being the end of Carnival - this is their third serious problem in three years. I would look for Disney prices to go up - not down - as they always do - up up up!!

 

[Postal68]

Seriously????

yes seriously. There is no problem with this question. It is a documented fact that after the Concordia tragedy this happened. What happened on the Triumph will not change my mind or others, from cruising on Disney or other cruise lines.

So I'm asking a legitimate question if people think the prices of Disney cruises might come down due to low bookings or cancellations.

 

[ilovetexas]

yes seriously. There is no problem with this question. It is a documented fact that after the Concordia tragedy this happened. What happened on the Triumph will not change my mind or others, from cruising on Disney or other cruise lines.

So I'm asking a legitimate question if people think the prices of Disney cruises might come down due to low bookings or cancellations.

You just answered your own question.

 

[MouseMomx2]

So I'm asking a legitimate question if people think the prices of Disney cruises might come down due to low bookings or cancellations.

No. On Carnival, maybe but on DCL, no.

 

[hgon76]

This did happen after the Concordia. I was booked in an ocean view on the Fantasy for April last year. After this incident many of us were bumped up shortly after (we got a verandah) free. And this was when Fantasy was a brand new ship. 3rd sailing.

 

[tvguy]

Time will tell. But remember, the Magic and Wonder were built in the same shipyard as the Triumph and both are older. So if there is a design flaw, it is with the maker of the ship, not the cruise line that owns it.

As I have posted in other threads, I don' think any other cruise line could have handled this any differently as far as getting the ship back to shore. Now, you certainly could argue that the support families back on land got form Carnival during the ordeal might have been handled different.

 

[TXDCLfan]

Time will tell. But remember, the Magic and Wonder were built in the same shipyard as the Triumph and both are older. So if there is a design flaw, it is with the maker of the ship, not the cruise line that owns it.

As I have posted in other threads, I don' think any other cruise line could have handled this any differently as far as getting the ship back to shore. Now, you certainly could argue that the support families back on land got form Carnival during the ordeal might have been handled different.

 

[CruznLexi]

The incident will effect cruises but mostly new booking of first time cruisers. The ship needed to by sent to dry dock but they kept sailing and it caught up with them. It was a night mare for all those involved but what choices did they have. Disembark in progresso and have over 900 people with no passport and ferry everyone to Cancun and then hop a plane to various places. Carnival will not sink they have tons of money this will cost them plenty but they will not sink. Having cruised all 3 big lines including Carnival and Royal and Disney. Met my husband whom worked for RCI as a waiter. We have sailed RCI over 25 times we have cruised Carnival about 7 times. They have good food with lots of options. Entertainment not so good. But for the average family Disney is out of reach and if Carnival can meet that bill. We do not need to bash Carnival as this incident effects all cruise lines. I work hard and work many extra shifts so I can cruise Disney but some are not that fortunate.

 

[wvdcl cruisers]

Time will tell. But remember, the Magic and Wonder were built in the same shipyard as the Triumph and both are older. So if there is a design flaw, it is with the maker of the ship, not the cruise line that owns it.

As I have posted in other threads, I don' think any other cruise line could have handled this any differently as far as getting the ship back to shore. Now, you certainly could argue that the support families back on land got form Carnival during the ordeal might have been handled different.

I was wondering about Fincantieri as well, and what discussions DCL might be having with them regarding similarities with Magic / Wonder's engine rooms, power distribution systems, etc. as compared to Triumph's.

 

[RRB]

I am interested in the cause of the fire. Folks make the assumption that DCL is a safer cruise line but the Triumph and the Magic/Wonder were made at the same shipyard and within 1 year of each other (Magic 1998, Wonder 1999, Triumph 1999). I know that the Magic/Wonder each had multiple engines powering multiple generators which in turn provided electric for everything in the ship, including propulsion. I would assume the Triumph was of a similar design. I would also assume there would be secondary smaller engines/generators in case of emergencies to the main units. Either all the main engines were damaged or all the main generators were damaged by the fire. That would mean a pretty big fire occurred on the ship.

 

[DMMarla07860]

This did happen after the Concordia. I was booked in an ocean view on the Fantasy for April last year. After this incident many of us were bumped up shortly after (we got a verandah) free. And this was when Fantasy was a brand new ship. 3rd sailing.

I don't know if they had anything to do with Concordia, but I know I went on the first Eastern on the Fantasy and from what I heard ship was not really full, but I don't think it had to do with Concordia, maybe some, but not all of it

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I am interested in the cause of the fire. Folks make the assumption that DCL is a safer cruise line but the Triumph and the Magic/Wonder were made at the same shipyard and within 1 year of each other (Magic 1998, Wonder 1999, Triumph 1999). I know that the Magic/Wonder each had multiple engines powering multiple generators which in turn provided electric for everything in the ship, including propulsion. I would assume the Triumph was of a similar design. I would also assume there would be secondary smaller engines/generators in case of emergencies to the main units. Either all the main engines were damaged or all the main generators were damaged by the fire. That would mean a pretty big fire occurred on the ship.

Except that DCL has custom designed all 4 of their vessels. That is one reason the Magic was delayed so long.

The system in question designed my the yard is the main electrical platforms, and the back up or lack of back up safety engine room panels which were used on the trumph class vessels and was beefed up to be used on the QMII and the Spendour class. As to who owns the problem the lines do!....Since there seems to be repat probems, the line was the responsiblity to correc the probelm or lay the ships up as unsafe.

It is my undersatanding that the QMll has the first fire where the issue was found and the correction in design made. The Spendour fire was also related, but the correction had not been made to the Splendour. The prelimonary USCG report I was told (I did not see the actual report), was questionoing this.

Right now we have NO idea what the cause of the fire was..........only that the Triumphand the Destney has had mechcanical/propulsion problems since January. We really have to wait to find the cause before we point fingers.

AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

One cruise industry article has thrown out the possibility that if there is indeed a reducion in bookings, there may be a cancelling of propossed newly biult cruise ships.

AKK

 

[ilovetexas]

This did happen after the Concordia. I was booked in an ocean view on the Fantasy for April last year. After this incident many of us were bumped up shortly after (we got a verandah) free. And this was when Fantasy was a brand new ship. 3rd sailing.

I was on the fifth Fantasy sailing and it wasn't full, either. We were bumped to a higher category than we booked. I don't think it had ANYTHING to do with Concordia. The Fantasy launched a few weeks before school let out, we booked it then on purpose. Even parents who will take their kids out of school for a cruise (myself included when mine were younger) won't do it at certain times of year; the first couple of weeks and the last couple of weeks of school are usually off limits.

Those last weeks in April and first few in May are full of field days, parties, testing, etc. On other lines, it's a great time to cruise sans kids. Most people wait until school is out, which is why I love to cruise in early/mid May. I'm cruising during spring break this year because I'll be in Cuba in May.

 

[Yokelridesagain]

Time will tell. But remember, the Magic and Wonder were built in the same shipyard as the Triumph and both are older. So if there is a design flaw, it is with the maker of the ship, not the cruise line that owns it.

As I have posted in other threads, I don' think any other cruise line could have handled this any differently as far as getting the ship back to shore. Now, you certainly could argue that the support families back on land got form Carnival during the ordeal might have been handled different.

An engine fire in a ship that has been in service for 13 years is probably (not definitely, but probably) not a design flaw. Maintenance flaw maybe, or (most likely) operator error.

 

[Four Swampers]

Well, I am a little amused at the idea that Magic and Wonder were made at the same shipyard as the Triumph and therefore one might have to worry about the Magic and the Wonder having the same issue.

Carnival kept Triumph sailing even after mechanical problems in the weeks prior to this sailing. Triumph was clearly not well maintained.

Suppose we each buy a Chrysler built the same day in the same factory. Now suppose that you maintain your car with oil changes, tire rotations and replacements, replace worn belts and hoses, replace the engine's air filter. Meanwhile, I never do a thing to my car except add gas as needed. When my car fails, you don't have to worry that your car is going to fail too.

 

[ilovetexas]

One cruise industry article has thrown out the possibility that if there is indeed a reducion in bookings, there may be a cancelling of propossed newly biult cruise ships.

AKK

That's always a possibility but I'd hate to see it happen. The new ships are the ones being built with the required "safe return to port" standards.

http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=5201

If memory serves, Carnival doesn't have any in the works right now; they are just doing a MAJOR refurb on Destiny and renaming it; so maybe if there is backlash, it won't impact everyone else. I'd like to see new ships built with better redundancy systems. That said, I'd prefer they be smaller, too!

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

That's always a possibility but I'd hate to see it happen. The new ships are the ones being built with the required "safe return to port" standards.

http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=5201

If memory serves, Carnival doesn't have any in the works right now; they are just doing a MAJOR refurb on Destiny and renaming it; so maybe if there is backlash, it won't impact everyone else. I'd like to see new ships built with better redundancy systems. That said, I'd prefer they be smaller, too!

WE AGREE!

AKK