NCL Breakaway to have Fireworks

[Capt_BJ]

US Coast Guard for loading the pyrotechnic devices (gun powder) on the ship at Port Canaveral? IDK.

I can see DCL wanting to retire risk if possible....but I do NOT see them taking a risk like this if they thought it was a credible risk. If the ship sank, no insurance company could cover the loss better than the Disney Corp. if there was a misfire and some got injured or burned, the cost to Disney is nothing.....hundred million at best.

I was in the CG when DCL began operations and stationed in Port Canaveral - the amounts they load and what they load don't fall under 'explosives' and there is no CG inspection or oversite of any loading of DCL ships other than the regular inspections for security that I am aware of .... they have an approved loading plan that ANY ship could also get. Like I said - all cruise ships already carry an amount of pyro . . .

Nice guess tho ....

this one

I can see DCL wanting to retire risk if possible....but I do NOT see them taking a risk like this if they thought it was a credible risk. If the ship sank, no insurance company could cover the loss better than the Disney Corp. if there was a misfire and some got injured or burned, the cost to Disney is nothing.....hundred million at best

I don't follow at all . . .

 

[Rogillio]

sometimes computers make what we're trying to say rather comedic!

Lol, but I love my iPad. She corrects more than she uncorrects..... I think

 

[CrawfordMomof2]

Thank you for being kind. I usually don't respond to the snark on these threads but that guy's comment really got to me. I try not to judge other people's parenting choices because I don't personally know their circumstance. I always wonder why people think that they can judge.

It's wonderful that your family is willing to compromise to make the experience great for your 7 year old. My DD has gone through some occupational therapy during her lifetime and we've spent alot of time with kids with different needs. Although I can't imagine the challenges your family has faced, I can relate just a bit. Good luck to you and have a great time on your cruise!

I feel the same way about other people's parenting choices. It drives me CRAZY when people have tried to tell me how to raise my children. If you don't know my circumstances, and my beliefs about raising my children,than please keep your ideas to yourself. What works for one child will not work for another.

Thank-you by the way for your understanding also. I'm glad to live in a time that Autism is starting to be understood, but some people still don't understand, or even want to for that matter. I don't need everyone feeling sorry for us, but a little bit of understanding goes a long way.

Last summer my husband's employer paid for everyone to go to a theme park by our house as a thank-you for 25 years of production. We went not knowing that the train had a real horn, and boy o boy was Hunter freaked out. He was covering his ears, shaking and crying. So I did what any Mommy would do which was hold him, and try to calm him down. He is big for his age and I have a hard time carrying him. We got him into a quiet restroom, and he calmed down, so all is well. But what kills me is the dirty looks that people felt the need to give us..... I have never been so ticked off in my life!

The good news is that that was one of our bad days. He is usually a happy7 year old boy. We are still working on him socializing, but one day at a time.

Anyway, I'm done with my rant. Thanks again for your understanding! You are very much appreciated!

 

[Rogillio]

I was in the CG when DCL began operations and stationed in Port Canaveral - the amounts they load and what they load don't fall under 'explosives' and there is no CG inspection or oversite of any loading of DCL ships other than the regular inspections for security that I am aware of .... they have an approved loading plan that ANY ship could also get. Like I said - all cruise ships already carry an amount of pyro . . .

Nice guess tho ....

this one

I can see DCL wanting to retire risk if possible....but I do NOT see them taking a risk like this if they thought it was a credible risk. If the ship sank, no insurance company could cover the loss better than the Disney Corp. if there was a misfire and some got injured or burned, the cost to Disney is nothing.....hundred million at best

I don't follow at all . . .

This was about self insurance. I should have said DCL could sell some risk, not retire it. DCL is worth 8X what Loyds is worth so they can only insure Disney up to their worth. make sense?

 

[woody73]

. . . Many are like me and cruising never even on the radar till DISNEY got involved and now we've cruised a oxen times on DCL, NCL and HAL.

Bull perhaps?

Woody

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

1. Overall Disney is likely self insured, but may also have some insurance for specail operations., IE DCL.The 4 vessels you will find if you dig deep enough are actually owned by 4 independent companies to limit liability. It is likely they are insured by one or more of the major P and I clubs (protection and indemity). These firms provide very specialized insurance for ocean shipping and vessels.

2. The four vessels are classed by LLoyds Registry, which does not mean they are insured by lloyds. The lloyds classification sociaty is there to approve the design of the vessel for strutural integrity,stability, operations and seaworthyness. They do routine inspections to make sure the good condition of the vessel is maintained and any needed repairs is done to Class reqiurements.

3. The USCG Captian of the port would be involved in the fireworks only to check that loading is done safely, with a preapproved plans and stored and handled on the vessel properly and to LLoyds reqiurements.

4. As to firing them at sea I agree with Captian BJ, at sea they would be in volved, unless something went wrong.

AKK

 

[Rogillio]

Bull perhaps?

Woody

Yeah, that would be our NCL and HAL compared to DCL. Lol

I know you are hugely anti-DCL as I've seen your posts for years Woody but your opinion is just one opinion as is mine.....nothing more and nothing less.

 

[insureman]

1. Overall Disney is likely self insured, but may also have some insurance for specail operationsAKK

FM Global has been a major insurer of Disney properties for years and it would not surprise me if they have more than a few Lloyd's syndicates insuring DCL at least for reinsurance.
Interesting 2008 article on Disney's risk manager.

http://www.riskandinsurance.com/story.jsp?storyId=135237393&query=walt disney world

 

[woody73]

. . . I know you are hugely anti-DCL

Once again you're wrong.

I love Disney (just went to DL last week as I've been an Annual Pass holder for over 25 years) and love DCL (Platinum with four more DCL cruises booked). I would hardly consider that "anti-DCL."

But I cruise other cruise lines as well, and like the strengths each cruise line has to offer.

Woody

 

[Rogillio]

Once again you're wrong.

I love Disney (just went to DL last week as I've been an Annual Pass holder for over 25 years) and love DCL (Platinum with four more DCL cruises booked). I would hardly consider that "anti-DCL."

But I cruise other cruise lines as well, and like the strengths each cruise line has to offer.

Woody

I'm not wrong woody. I've followed/surfed this board and you are 90% negative towards DCL. I don't have a problem with that as this is an open forum but don't pretend you are unbiased. Anyone can search on your posts and very quickly see a trend!

 

[kcashner]

the only 'approvals' I'm aware of for a cruise ship to launch fireworks would come from their insurance company. As a CG Cutter Commanding Officer working the Carib' I was aware of no law or regulation prohibiting the launching of fireworks at sea - so long as they would not be mistaken for marine distress flares and even then jurisdiction is questionable). Plenty of private boat owners shoot off fireworks at night.

ALL ships already carry a quantity of pyrotechnics - another name for safety and signaling flares (let's not even open the issue of ammunition) IMO and SOLAS already cover storage for those materials on cruise ships. DCL simply wanted to carry more. BTW, don't forget DCL stopped fireworks for a time, after they set their ship on fire (a boo boo) Hence the new launch system?

Disney got approval from LLoyds in my opinion ... and probably pursued it mostly because they have a LARGE in house fireworks production capability - they could do fireworks at sea at less cost then other cruise lines. Don't they launch/make more annually than any other company therefore their cost was minimal? Possibly something like the half truth they tell {told} about being the only ship with approval for yellow lifeboats. Yes they petitioned IMO for a change which was approved. Nothing stopped others from doing it B4 - no one else saw the need. Today a bunch of ships have yellow lifeboats.

I like DCL ... but sometimes their PR department is a bit overly creative for my liking ...

I attended a lecture by Tom McAlpin when he was president of DCL (he was CFO when the line started). He said USCG approval was needed for the color or the lifeboats and the fireworks. And that each time they do the fireworks they are required to radio that they are starting them and then that they are finished.

I have NO knowledge as to the accuracy of this info, but it was part of his lecture.

 

[Silverfox97]

Ok, we've been on 7 DCL cruises (6 since 8/2010) and have 4 more booked (next one March 9th!!). I'd say we love DCL. Am I dreaming of some new ports out of the FL ports? Yes. Definitely. Right now, we prefer to cruise more often and we can do so by driving to the port vs. flying. DH & I are totally aware that there are other cruise lines out there that go to new exciting ports (duh), but right now, we are sticking with DCL. That being said, this ship is literally the first non-DCL ship that looks interesting to me. Those mega Allure/Oasis, Epic, Dream (Carnival) ships just don't intrigue us, or DD. The video for this ship put out by NCL is awesome! There are so many cool new & unique features of the ship itself and the staterooms look very cool! It looks totally different; the way the restaurants have outside seating - we would love that!!! I would love to visit the pink sandy beaches of Bermuda!! (On a side note, I had to laugh; this ship out of NY has a 12-night southern Caribbean cruise. If NCL out of NY can have that option, certainly DCL out of freakin' FL could!!!!)

Now, I live in Tampa, so I'm not going to go up to NY to sail on this ship. The sister ship, the Getaway, is going to have its home port in Miami. If that ship is the same & visits new ports that DCL does not, I might be swayed to try it out!!!

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[Disney Dreams]

I am curious as to what makes fireworks "family-friendly"?

She's 3 and she's been on 4 Disney cruises. ...As a 3YO, she's "climbed" the Coba pyramid in Mexico and visited Chichen Itza with us. She's been on 24 flights over 5 hours in length. ...This year we're going to London, Barcelona and Paris. ...For good measure, we're throwing in a Disney Magic Med cruise....

I just have to say she's a dang lucky and fortunate 3 year old.

- Dreams

 

[HappyPeach]

That sounds cool! I would consider cruising on the Breakaway if it sailed out of Florida.