First CARS @ AoA-Now CARS LAND @ DHS!?

[damo]

Because not everyone can make it out to DCA. I haven't been on the west coast in 34 years.

I would love to see this come to DHS. It would bring a big boost to DHS.

and DLR has a lot of things that WDW doesn't. Many people, including myself, prefer DLR over WDW.


Adding Carsland to DHS is a very smart idea. There are many rides within the 4 parks with the same ride system. I don't see what the issue is if Test Track and RSR have the same system too.

 

[Sweettears]

I just got back from a California trip and experienced cars Land and the top attraction Radiator Springs Racers.....Visually the land was amazing.

I question though if they would bring Radiator Springs Racers to Florida since the attraction's technology is just like Test Track. I may be in the minority, but I like the ride of test Track better (but I did like the visual aspect of Radiator Springs better)

Makes me believe that if they brought Cars Land to Florida they may have a new/different main attraction.....but that is just a guess.

Same reason why the Indiana Jones ride at DisneyLand probably hasn't come to Disney World....The ride would be similar to Dinosaur.

I disagree. Disney has used similar ride systems in many rides before. Think HM, Little Mermaid, Nemo etc... Also Dumbo, Aladin Carpets. I think that as long as the themeing is unique they would not hesitate to repeat a ride system.

 

[Disco]

Blah, I don't know why Disney is so fixated on Cars. Much better Pixar titles to work with. The theme doesn't really fit with the park IMO either.
HS is going to end up being the Tommorow Land of the theme parks.

 

[pilferk]

Adding further weight to the talk of Cars Land heading east is the fact that veteran Imagineer Kathy Magnum has recently relocated to Florida. Kathy spent the last few years in California overseeing the Cars Land project there. Nothing has been announced by Disney at this point, so as always, this information should be treated as speculation and is subject to change."

If the reason Kathy was being brought over had to do with Cars Land....she wouldn't have been given oversight over ALL current and future projects at WDW. She would have simply been made a project manager. Disney corporate even said as much, when she got the promotion.

It's a significant promotion for her. But it lends zero insight into "will it or won't it".

 

[pilferk]

I wonder what kind of time frame there would be on a project like this. Would Disney really work on this at the same time as Avatarland over at AK?

Likely not.

Which means, even if it happened...you'd be looking at 2016 or later.

I still remain unconvinced Disney would take the exclusive, tourist inducing, attraction they spent 3/4 of a billion on for the west coast, and move it east. It's contrary to the entire reason they built DCA (to create a destination resort, rather than the locals, passholder filled, theme park they have/had).

Not to mention Iger has said they're scaling back on significant domestic park expansion and capital investments (and this would definitely qualify).

 

[pilferk]

Because not everyone can make it out to DCA. I haven't been on the west coast in 34 years.

I would love to see this come to DHS. It would bring a big boost to DHS.

Which is the point.

Disney wants to drive tourists out to DCA/DLR. They've flat out said so.

That you haven't been there in 34 years demonstrates their need to do it.

Whether you experience the attraction or not isn't Disney's primary concern. It's WHERE you experience it, and why, that concerns them. They WANT you to HAVE to go to DLR.

If you choose not to..that's your decision. But Disney doesn't want to make the choice easy for you. That's not their goal in all this.

 

[pilferk]

DHS Expansion

And (perhaps even more pertinent), this thread on the exact same subject (and covering basically the same topics):

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2968253

 

[DanBoris]

Blah, I don't know why Disney is so fixated on Cars. Much better Pixar titles to work with. The theme doesn't really fit with the park IMO either.
HS is going to end up being the Tommorow Land of the theme parks.

Because even though the Cars franchise may not be the best of the Pixar films or have the largest box office, it is the most profitable Pixar franchise due to it's merchandising.

 

[ChipnDale79]

I will be surprised, not because DHS doesn't need some love, becuase it clearly does.

But Cars Land is the only big hitter DCA has to offer, if Cars land is duplicated then why would anybody bother going to DCA?

Well, because one is on one side of the country, and the other is on the other side of the country. I don't think building a Carsland in FL is going decrease the amount of people visiting DCA. I would bet a vast majority of those people visiting Carsland in FL, aren't going out west to DLR with or with a Carsland in FL.

 

[ChipnDale79]

Which is the point.

Disney wants to drive tourists out to DCA/DLR. They've flat out said so.

That you haven't been there in 34 years demonstrates their need to do it.

Whether you experience the attraction or not isn't Disney's primary concern. It's WHERE you experience it, and why, that concerns them. They WANT you to HAVE to go to DLR.

If you choose not to..that's your decision. But Disney doesn't want to make the choice easy for you. That's not their goal in all this.

The decision is pretty simple for this family of 4, which i consider to be pretty typical, its not worth spending an additional $1200-$1500 to fly out west to see Carsland.

I think it'll help disney get people on the west coast to come stay a few days, but I really don't think Carsland is going to draw people from WDW to DLR.

 

[marybaby08]

Which is the point.

Disney wants to drive tourists out to DCA/DLR. They've flat out said so.

That you haven't been there in 34 years demonstrates their need to do it.

Whether you experience the attraction or not isn't Disney's primary concern. It's WHERE you experience it, and why, that concerns them. They WANT you to HAVE to go to DLR.

If you choose not to..that's your decision. But Disney doesn't want to make the choice easy for you. That's not their goal in all this.

They want tourist... but just for 5 days

 

[tjkraz]

If this ends up being true, it makes me ill.

I'm not as down on DHS as some folks are but IMO Cars Land does NOTHING to help improve / unify the theme of the park. Thematically this is a worse match than Avatar at DAK.

And 3/4 of a BILLION dollars spent to replicate something that's a plane ride away. What a waste.

 

[ChipnDale79]

If this ends up being true, it makes me ill.

I'm not as down on DHS as some folks are but IMO Cars Land does NOTHING to help improve / unify the theme of the park. Thematically this is a worse match than Avatar at DAK.

And 3/4 of a BILLION dollars spent to replicate something that's a plane ride away. What a waste.

Animation and filming arent coming back to DHS, i think we would all like to see that instead of a Carsland, I mean that was what DHS was built around, but its not coming back.

If something were to be done to DHS, as many people believe something needs to be done, what do you suggest?

Keep in mind, if it were so easy for people to just jump on a plane and go to DLR, WDW would have never been built. Walt wanted WDW built so that he could cater to the people on the East Coast, to me, the same logic applies here.

I think most people on this board would jump on a plane, after all, we are all disney fanatics, but I don't think the typical Disney guest is going to do that.

 

[DisneyRunnerChick]

The decision is pretty simple for this family of 4, which i consider to be pretty typical, its not worth spending an additional $1200-$1500 to fly out west to see Carsland.

I think it'll help disney get people on the west coast to come stay a few days, but I really don't think Carsland is going to draw people from WDW to DLR.

That's me, too. I live in GA and can easily hop in the car to drive to WDW or pick up a $100 flight; DLR is across the country, and the plane tickets for the family cost as much as our normal weeklong trip. We plan on going to DLR once, just to say we've been there, but we would definitely make an extra trip to WDW to see Carsland!

 

[tjkraz]

Animation and filming arent coming back to DHS, i think we would all like to see that instead of a Carsland, I mean that was what DHS was built around, but its not coming back.

If something were to be done to DHS, as many people believe something needs to be done, what do you suggest?

Focusing on film and animation was a flawed concept from the start. Those are SoCal industries. With hindsight being 20/20, it's apparent Disney wasn't going to be able to offer the facilities necessary to support feature production.

IMO, DHS is best viewed as a celebration of the entertainment industry. Major entertainment properties are already represented (Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Twilight Zone, Aerosmith, Muppets, everything in GMR.) I'd much rather see the Monster's Inc coaster enclosed in a "soundstage" which matches most other park areas. Or some expansion of "Pixar Place" which is themed to resemble the Emeryville campus.

Dropping the Cadillac mountain range into the back corner of the park is not an ideal solution, IMO.

Keep in mind, if it were so easy for people to just jump on a plane and go to DLR, WDW would have never been built. Walt wanted WDW built so that he could cater to the people on the East Coast, to me, the same logic applies here.

No, Walt Disney wanted to build a futuristic city in central Florida. At no time did he intend to build four theme parks and 25 resort hotels.

I think most people on this board would jump on a plane, after all, we are all disney fanatics, but I don't think the typical Disney guest is going to do that.

The people at Walt Disney Imagineering are held up as the greatest innovators in the theme park industry. In a GOOD year, Walt Disney World might get one or two all new attractions. And when given nearly a BILLION dollars to work with, the best they can do is CLONE something they've already built?!? How sad.

I've been to Cars Land in the last month. And yes, it's a fantastic addition. But instead of cheering the possibility of Disney copying their prior work, we should be rooting for them to build something even better at Hollywood Studios.

I realize that people in Florida and Georgia and South Carolina aren't going to fly 2500 miles to Disneyland with the same frequency they visit Walt Disney World. But you know what....the option still exists. And it's worth the added expense when there is a variety of unique experiences including Matterhorn, Toontown, Nemo subs, California Screamin, World of Color, Cars Land...

There are tens-of-millions of people living in middle America who have equal access to both locations. And if you've been following reports of Disney California Adventure's attendance, it seems apparent that Disney has dramatically improved the park's standing. Those extra turnstile clicks are coming from somewhere.

Regardless of how individual consumers say they would respond, it seems logical to assume that with unique products (parks), SOME percentage will go out of their way to sample both. When the products are identical...why bother.

 

[pilferk]

The decision is pretty simple for this family of 4, which i consider to be pretty typical, its not worth spending an additional $1200-$1500 to fly out west to see Carsland.

I think it'll help disney get people on the west coast to come stay a few days, but I really don't think Carsland is going to draw people from WDW to DLR.

But having Cars land in FL would convince you to spend $1200 more in florida or make your trip (not just your day at dhs) longer?

Also, realize that while it might not lure east coasters...the pull for the other 2/3 of the country might be much stronger.

Everybody considers themselves "typical".

 

[pilferk]

They want tourist... but just for 5 days

At DLR? Pretty much true. But for that market, facility, and the investment they have made...that appears to be what they are aiming for. I don't see the problem (or your point).

At WDW? No, they want you for 6 to 7 days...which is what they have got set, now. Thats the average amount of US vacation time, too...which is not a coincidence.

 

[prfctlyximprfct]

I would love a Carsland at DHS!! I'm from NJ and no offense, but I would probably not go to DisneyLand unless I was already going on vacation to the West Coast. It's just 2 parks, I couldn't spend my vacation there. WDW has so much more to offer which allows guests to stay for their whole vacation. I'd love to experience CarsLand but it's tough for me to give up a WDW vacation for a DL vacation, so why not give me the best of both worlds?!

 

[pilferk]

Animation and filming arent coming back to DHS, i think we would all like to see that instead of a Carsland, I mean that was what DHS was built around, but its not coming back.

If something were to be done to DHS, as many people believe something needs to be done, what do you suggest?

Keep in mind, if it were so easy for people to just jump on a plane and go to DLR, WDW would have never been built. Walt wanted WDW built so that he could cater to the people on the East Coast, to me, the same logic applies here.

I think most people on this board would jump on a plane, after all, we are all disney fanatics, but I don't think the typical Disney guest is going to do that.

Actually, thats revisionist history.

Walt chose FL because of it climate, its abundance of cheap land, and the fact the state govt was willing to work with Disney. He wanted total control of the project and its surroundings.

Walt had no real plans for a DL style Magic Kingdom. That was Roy, trying to figure out a way to pay the bills.

The thing is...it only makes "sense" to the people who want it to be built. It doesn't appear to make great fiscal sense. It doesnt fit all that well thematically. It doesn't make great logistical sense.

Just like with DL's Indy ride, or Roger Rabbit, or The matterhorne...just because some of my east coast brethren want it doesn't mean it gets built.

 

[pilferk]

I would love a Carsland at DHS!! I'm from NJ and no offense, but I would probably not go to DisneyLand unless I was already going on vacation to the West Coast. It's just 2 parks, I couldn't spend my vacation there. WDW has so much more to offer which allows guests to stay for their whole vacation. I'd love to experience CarsLand but it's tough for me to give up a WDW vacation for a DL vacation, so why not give me the best of both worlds?!

But you just said it...wdw already has enough to fill your vacation.

And unless you are REALLY lucky, yearly vacation time is limited. "Extra" trips become hard if you are already going to wdw most years. Making trips longer becomes hard when you are already there for a week.

Which makes it hard to see why investing 750 million has a significant return or increase in guest spending.