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[KatMark]

Wow is the Rules Committee botching this version of the Where is Judy-do contest? Okay, I buy the shadow thing, and I at first thought the arm was Lauren's, but put too much in the very first picture where she has on long sleeves.

But I just am not buying the "reflection" of Judy in the final picture. I stared at that picture endlessly. If you mean the reflection just to the right of Lauren's arm............well, that is clearly a reflection of Lauren's arm.

And if you mean the "shadow" to the right of Lauren's head, that is very tiny, then I am wondering just how that can any more be justified as a Judy than the shadow you rejected. Since when does someone "clearly" take a picture when their arm is at the TOP of their head? The arm should be pretty much at ear level at the highest to be someone taking a picture.

Plus, if you look closely, a reflection of Judy would also include a reflection of the name of the store on the window, and would be in reverse or mirror image, but if you look closely to the very small print near the supposed Judy reflection, the writing is in the same readable order as that on the window behind Lauren.

Am I missing the supposed reflection altogether because I don't see anything that could be prohibitively taken as a sure-fire Judy................???

Hey, Molly....sounds like Marv is whining again. You need to set him straight.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Wow is the Rules Committee botching this version of the Where is Judy-do contest? Okay, I buy the shadow thing, and I at first thought the arm was Lauren's, but put too much in the very first picture where she has on long sleeves.

But I just am not buying the "reflection" of Judy in the final picture. I stared at that picture endlessly. If you mean the reflection just to the right of Lauren's arm............well, that is clearly a reflection of Lauren's arm.

And if you mean the "shadow" to the right of Lauren's head, that is very tiny, then I am wondering just how that can any more be justified as a Judy than the shadow you rejected. Since when does someone "clearly" take a picture when their arm is at the TOP of their head? The arm should be pretty much at ear level at the highest to be someone taking a picture.

Plus, if you look closely, a reflection of Judy would also include a reflection of the name of the store on the window, and would be in reverse or mirror image, but if you look closely to the very small print near the supposed Judy reflection, the writing is in the same readable order as that on the window behind Lauren.

Am I missing the supposed reflection altogether because I don't see anything that could be prohibitively taken as a sure-fire Judy................???

I see it. In the last picture of Lauren in front of Kleinfelds, Judy's reflection is to the right. You can see she's looking at Lauren and smiling while she snaps a picture. The bent arm pic to the left, doesn't seem like Judy though. Is that what the Rules Committee is claiming, that the bent arm is indeed Judy? I think what we need here is a Judy conference call with us and the Rules Committee together. That should shed some light on this issue.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Hey, Molly....sounds like Marv is whining again. You need to set him straight.

Ordinarily, I'd be more than pleased to oblige! However, I think Marv may have made an interesting observation. Either that or he needs to take a trip to the eye doctor.

 

[marvali]

Ordinarily, I'd be more than pleased to oblige! However, I think Marv may have made an interesting observation. Either that or he needs to take a trip to the eye doctor.

If it's there, it's there! Maybe the picture on my computer just isn't clear enough but I'm just not seeing it. Can't see it for looking maybe? I know Glenn has the actual photo and can zoom, but if that's what it takes to make it out for sure.....????

Just like some clarification where and why after staring at it so long and not seeing anything I can justify......

 

[mel_ntu]

Ooh, was that car parking place round the back of the Waldorf Astoria? I seem to remember something like that being built when we last stayed there!

And heads up, I said "yes" to my dream dress and got married 3 years ago, I think my father still winces when he thinks about writing that particular cheque.....

 

[vamassey1]

Ordinarily, I'd be more than pleased to oblige! However, I think Marv may have made an interesting observation. Either that or he needs to take a trip to the eye doctor.

I was just thinking that he missed his true calling and should be a lawyer. He sure knows how to argue his point.

 

[glennbo123]

I think you need the hat, Lauren.

I don’t know why those went out of fashion. The only ones you can find now are red and white striped, at Universal.

We'll put up with dirty and creepy for that price!

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that...

It's a very moving memorial. Thanks for the photos.

Agreed.

Um...let's move on.



Um...let's move on. Squirrel!

I’ve never seen a highway worker move so much!

Cute.

Who says New Yorkers don’t have a sense of humor?

Glenn! Dude, you're going to sit there and take that?

Yeah I’m takin’ it….I’m takin’ it as a compliment.

Hey, that's great. What in the heck is Kleinfeld?

Your oldest is a girl…you’ll find out.

Like me, apparently.

I wish I didn’t know what it was.

Take a look at the price tags first. My wife bought hers on clearance from a discount rack. And she still looked amazing.

I’m sure she did look amazing. And the money saved can go a long way towards other things -- honeymoon, house, etc. etc.

My wife made her dress. She wanted some specific things and found them on various dresses, but had to make her own to incorporate them all into one. After the wedding she entered it in two county fairs -- Warren, where we grew up, and York, where she worked. At the Warren Co. fair won a blue ribbon for wedding dresses and a big “Best of Show” ribbon over allllll of the crafts; at the York Co. fair won a blue ribbon for wedding dresses, beating out professional dress makers. Was I proud? Ah, yeah. Still am!

 

[glennbo123]

Did you recite the Gettysburg Address as well?

I don’t know about that, but you reminded me of something I found very funny a few years ago. Somebody converted the Gettysburg Address to powerpoint slides, as it might appear had it been given today. I had the powerpoint file stashed away, so converted the slides to jpeg’s for your enjoyment:

In the notes section of that first slide it says:
[Transcribed from voice recording by A. Lincoln, 11/18/63]
These are some notes on the Gettysburg meeting. I'll whip them into better shape when I can get on to my computer.
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us--that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion--that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.

Subway or NYC taxi... which one is actually more dirty and creepy?

Hmmm, with some scrapings and petri dishes we could find out…but who wants to conduct that experiment?!

Nothing better than a captive audience.

Says the guy surrounded by cornfields.

Most people call it graffiti.


Oh... you meant real artwork.

Good one!

Glenn, does this mean your teenage daughter actually appreciates your fine wit and sense of humor?

Judy tells them not to laugh, it only encourages me, but they can’t help it.

Apparently, I live under a rock.

You’re in good company....you, Captain_Oblivious, and Patrick Star.

 

[glennbo123]

Ack! I'm too late! Oh the travesty, the pure tragedy of it. But I see that Pat took the point this round which somewhat appeases me since it's not Marv.

Pat saved the universe for you. This time. Don’t let it happen again.

Love this update Lauren!! Excellent job once again. Love the dress too by the way, very cute.

On behalf of Lauren, thank you.

Wow, thanks for sharing the WTC memorial pictures. That's a day I'll never forget, it was so frightening!

It was like watching a movie, hoping I’d wake up Sep.12th and everything would be back the way it was.

Unparalleled parking!!

They’re giving all of those people who come up with coffee shop and beauty salon names a run for their money.

Looks like the Jamba Juice was a hit with Judy.

She loves that stuff, and goes out of her way to find them.

Ah, Kleinfelds! I love Say Yes to the Dress! It's so fun. Some of those bridezillas are a hoot though. And of course you have the proverbial MOH who doesn't like ANYTHING the poor bride tries on and thinks that she's the ONLY one being helpful.

That sounds like every episode I’ve seen.

Hmm, 44 pages. I thought to myself, "Well, once again, I have come across one of glennbo's TRs far to late to join in." And then I realized that you haven't even started yet!

I am loving Lauren's TR though!

RGirl! Until the mods move it to “completed”, it’s never too late! And as you’ve pointed out, we haven’t even gotten to Disney yet. You folks aren’t in a hurry, are you? But Lauren’s report does qualify for the Disboards since the hotel they stayed at in NYC was a trade-out of DVC points.

I’m glad you’re enjoying it. Chime-in as we go along.

 

[glennbo123]

Okay I am ready for the next Judy ..Oh I mean update !!!

Well, I’d work on it, but apparently I have to spend my time zooming-in on pictures and helping Marv with his picture analysis.

Wow is the Rules Committee botching this version of the Where is Judy-do contest?

Nope.

Okay, are we done here?

Okay, I buy the shadow thing,

I thought you’d give me a hard time on that.

and I at first thought the arm was Lauren's, but put too much in the very first picture where she has on long sleeves.

I think Judy would like to have arms that skinny.

But I just am not buying the "reflection" of Judy in the final picture. I stared at that picture endlessly. If you mean the reflection just to the right of Lauren's arm............well, that is clearly a reflection of Lauren's arm.

No, to the right of her head/face.

And if you mean the "shadow" to the right of Lauren's head, that is very tiny, then I am wondering just how that can any more be justified as a Judy than the shadow you rejected. Since when does someone "clearly" take a picture when their arm is at the TOP of their head? The arm should be pretty much at ear level at the highest to be someone taking a picture.

It’s not a shadow, it’s a reflection, but not from the window -- there must have been a mirror or something further into the store.

I think she was holding it that way because she was doing a vertical shot rather than horizontal. And it’s a great picture, so you can’t knock Judy’s picture-taking technique.

Plus, if you look closely, a reflection of Judy would also include a reflection of the name of the store on the window, and would be in reverse or mirror image, but if you look closely to the very small print near the supposed Judy reflection, the writing is in the same readable order as that on the window behind Lauren.

No, it makes sense. The window is clear…if you were standing in the store, where the mirror apparently was, and looked at the window lettering, it would be in reverse. Then, it reflected off of the mirror and reaches the camera back in readable order. You’ll have to set up your own experiment to demonstrate it to yourself, but it works.

Am I missing the supposed reflection altogether because I don't see anything that could be prohibitively taken as a sure-fire Judy................???

It’s sure-fire. Here’s a zoomed picture. It looks like a picture of the picture-taking process!

 

[glennbo123]

Hey, Molly....sounds like Marv is whining again. You need to set him straight.

Thanks for calling him on it Kathy!

I see it. In the last picture of Lauren in front of Kleinfelds, Judy's reflection is to the right. You can see she's looking at Lauren and smiling while she snaps a picture.

Exactly! I don’t know that you can see smiling, but essentially yes.

The bent arm pic to the left, doesn't seem like Judy though. Is that what the Rules Committee is claiming, that the bent arm is indeed Judy? I think what we need here is a Judy conference call with us and the Rules Committee together. That should shed some light on this issue.

No, no, no….no bent arm to the left. The picture of the picture-taking, zoomed-in above, and the two-fisted Jambo Juice drinker picture were the 2 Judy’s.

Ordinarily, I'd be more than pleased to oblige! However, I think Marv may have made an interesting observation. Either that or he needs to take a trip to the eye doctor.

It’s the latter.

If it's there, it's there! Maybe the picture on my computer just isn't clear enough but I'm just not seeing it. Can't see it for looking maybe? I know Glenn has the actual photo and can zoom, but if that's what it takes to make it out for sure.....????

Pat didn’t have any trouble!

Just like some clarification where and why after staring at it so long and not seeing anything I can justify......

Hopefully, the zoomed photo helped.

Ooh, was that car parking place round the back of the Waldorf Astoria? I seem to remember something like that being built when we last stayed there!

Before we get to your question… mel_ntu!! Thanks for joining in!

I asked Judy your question, and she’s not really sure. She said they were walking back from SoHo, they wanted to see things other than the subway walls, when they saw that parking place. I looked on Google Maps and the Waldorf Astoria is on Park Avenue, which looks to be a little further east than I’d expect them to be, walking from SoHo to the Times Square area. But with a great parking idea like that, there may be more than one!

And heads up, I said "yes" to my dream dress and got married 3 years ago, I think my father still winces when he thinks about writing that particular cheque.....

Oh boy, I’m trying not to think about that!

I was just thinking that he missed his true calling and should be a lawyer. He sure knows how to argue his point.

Yeah, but what about all of those nights he’d spend in jail for Contempt of Court?

 

[FauntleroyFAN07]

It’s sure-fire. Here’s a zoomed picture. It looks like a picture of the picture-taking process!

you got owned by glenn.

 

[glennbo123]

you got owned by glenn.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I think she was holding it that way because she was doing a vertical shot rather than horizontal. And it’s a great picture, so you can’t knock Judy’s picture-taking technique.

It’s sure-fire. Here’s a zoomed picture. It looks like a picture of the picture-taking process!

I really must protest. Firstly, does Judy own a digital camera? If indeed it is digital, then does it have a live view finder (where you look through to take the picture?) If she does not, then she would be relying on the LCD screen to take Lauren's picture. Based on the angle of her "alleged" bent arm, how would she be able to see clearly what she was taking a picture of at that high of an angle?? Wouldn't the picture be mostly of Lauren's head only, based on the height at which Judy was holding said camera? And from previous pictures, it appears Judy and Lauren are similar in height, correct?

Looking at this picture again, Judy is seen to the right of Lauren, smiling and snapping the pic. Maybe you could use your mega zoom skills to check?

And yes, I realize I'm starting to sound like Marv which can't be a good thing.

 

[ShortStuff]

Wow, super awesome about the wedding gown and the county fair awards!!! :

My first job out of High School, I rode BART (Bay Area Rapid Transport) to/from work. It was priced by how far you traveled. Sounds nice to pay one price! Loved the art work pictures!!

The dress you got was very pretty Lauren!! Good choice!

I was working on 9/11/2001 and a nurse anestetist, who had been air force trained and who's wife was the head of AF housing in Northern CA were very high up in political society. One day I hope he publishes what he knows and knew about what happened that day. He was on the phone and knew the Pentagon was going to be hit, prior to it occuring and that the plane in the field was going down, before it actually crashed. Anyway, where is that squirrel?

Great memorial pictures, thanks so much!!

 

[glennbo123]

I really must protest. Firstly, does Judy own a digital camera? If indeed it is digital, then does it have a live view finder (where you look through to take the picture?) If she does not, then she would be relying on the LCD screen to take Lauren's picture. Based on the angle of her "alleged" bent arm, how would she be able to see clearly what she was taking a picture of at that high of an angle?? Wouldn't the picture be mostly of Lauren's head only, based on the height at which Judy was holding said camera? And from previous pictures, it appears Judy and Lauren are similar in height, correct?

Looking at this picture again, Judy is seen to the right of Lauren, smiling and snapping the pic. Maybe you could use your mega zoom skills to check?

And yes, I realize I'm starting to sound like Marv which can't be a good thing.

Are you serious??

Maybe it's a picture of some other mother taking a picture of her just-graduated daughter in front of Kleinfeld....only 5 feet to the left.

 

[glennbo123]

Wow, super awesome about the wedding gown and the county fair awards!!! :

It was pretty amazing.

My first job out of High School, I rode BART (Bay Area Rapid Transport) to/from work. It was priced by how far you traveled. Sounds nice to pay one price! Loved the art work pictures!!

I always thought BART was a great name for the train system out there.

The dress you got was very pretty Lauren!! Good choice!

<in Lauren voice> Thank you.

I was working on 9/11/2001 and a nurse anestetist, who had been air force trained and who's wife was the head of AF housing in Northern CA were very high up in political society. One day I hope he publishes what he knows and knew about what happened that day. He was on the phone and knew the Pentagon was going to be hit, prior to it occuring and that the plane in the field was going down, before it actually crashed. Anyway, where is that squirrel?

Great memorial pictures, thanks so much!!

Interesting! It was a sad and scary day though.

 

[marvali]

It’s not a shadow, it’s a reflection, but not from the window -- there must have been a mirror or something further into the store.

So from now on "there must have been a mirror" is valid for future Judy sightings???

I think she was holding it that way because she was doing a vertical shot rather than horizontal. And it’s a great picture, so you can’t knock Judy’s picture-taking technique.

So an assumption, but nothing definitive..............

No, it makes sense. The window is clear…if you were standing in the store, where the mirror apparently was, and looked at the window lettering, it would be in reverse. Then, it reflected off of the mirror and reaches the camera back in readable order. You’ll have to set up your own experiment to demonstrate it to yourself, but it works.

I DO agree it WAS an excellent photo taken by Judy, very well framed and everything!!!

It’s sure-fire. Here’s a zoomed picture. It looks like a picture of the picture-taking process!

I will give you "looks like" but as for sure-fire

Even the zoomed in picture doesn't show any specific features that a shadow doesn't show, like color of clothes or maybe at least her glasses, the fact her top has no sleeves, or anything like that to confirm a positive ID. Just an outline, which could be someone with similar hair on the sidewalk on the other side of the store, holding their hand to their eyes to cut the glare from the window so they could see inside.

you got owned by glenn.

Even zoomed in, that is VERY weak justification at best......... Now if the zoomed in showed a mirror reflection that you could faintly make out her face, or glasses or something........

Haven't you lost out on reflections in table tops before for exactly that reason???

 

[Squidgyness]

Interesting! It was a sad and scary day though.

Most definitely. I still remember watching it on tv when I was 10. Even then i knew that history had been irrevocably changed by that tragic day. Only the 7/7 bombings in London and the 04 tsunami have made such a large impact on me.

The memorial is both tasteful and well designed, which is always nice to see after such a tragic event.

 

[Poolrat]

Well, I’d work on it, but apparently I have to spend my time zooming-in on pictures and helping Marv with his picture analysis.




It’s not a shadow, it’s a reflection, but not from the window -- there must have been a mirror or something further into the store.

I think she was holding it that way because she was doing a vertical shot rather than horizontal. And it’s a great picture, so you can’t knock Judy’s picture-taking technique.



No, it makes sense. The window is clear…if you were standing in the store, where the mirror apparently was, and looked at the window lettering, it would be in reverse. Then, it reflected off of the mirror and reaches the camera back in readable order. You’ll have to set up your own experiment to demonstrate it to yourself, but it works.



It’s sure-fire. Here’s a zoomed picture. It looks like a picture of the picture-taking process!

Thank You.

No, no, no….no bent arm to the left. The picture of the picture-taking, zoomed-in above, and the two-fisted Jambo Juice drinker picture were the 2 Judy’s.

Pat didn’t have any trouble!
Hopefully, the zoomed photo helped.

Nope no trouble at all at all. Zooming in seals the deal.

Yeah, but what about all of those nights he’d spend in jail for Contempt of Court?

you got owned by glenn.

I really must protest. Firstly, does Judy own a digital camera? If indeed it is digital, then does it have a live view finder (where you look through to take the picture?) If she does not, then she would be relying on the LCD screen to take Lauren's picture. Based on the angle of her "alleged" bent arm, how would she be able to see clearly what she was taking a picture of at that high of an angle?? Wouldn't the picture be mostly of Lauren's head only, based on the height at which Judy was holding said camera? And from previous pictures, it appears Judy and Lauren are similar in height, correct?

Looking at this picture again, Judy is seen to the right of Lauren, smiling and snapping the pic. Maybe you could use your mega zoom skills to check?

And yes, I realize I'm starting to sound like Marv which can't be a good thing.

Molly Say it ain't so- agreeing with Marv that is...

I DO agree it WAS an excellent photo taken by Judy, very well framed and everything!!!

I will give you "looks like" but as for sure-fire

Even the zoomed in picture doesn't show any specific features that a shadow doesn't show, like color of clothes or maybe at least her glasses, the fact her top has no sleeves, or anything like that to confirm a positive ID. Just an outline, which could be someone with similar hair on the sidewalk on the other side of the store, holding their hand to their eyes to cut the glare from the window so they could see inside.

Even zoomed in, that is VERY weak justification at best......... Now if the zoomed in showed a mirror reflection that you could faintly make out her face, or glasses or something........

Haven't you lost out on reflections in table tops before for exactly that reason???

Don't be upset you didn't win this round, just be happy I did.