Anyone there now that can comment on FP enforcement

[mom2rtk]

Same can be told about reporting longer lines, are they actually longer or people try to support their point.

Except that I haven't claimed that at all. I'm taking a "wait and see" approach. I'm just saying that anyone trying to make wide-scale conclusions based one one or two isolated examples is being disingenuous.

 

[mom2rtk]

I guess you could conclude that things are running the same as usual--sometimes you run into short lines, sometimes you run into long lines. Sometimes it is all in how lucky you are.

That's sort of how I think this will all turn out. And if that's the case.... why add the extra inconvenience if the difference is neglibible, sometimes better, sometimes worse.

...... unless it's all about eventually trying to see if they can add more capacity to the system when Xpass comes to pass.

 

[kaytieeldr]

It is a change. It is a change in dinsey's policies in regards to fp use. There is a change in the wording on the FP.

It's a reversion. It's a reversion to enforcement of the one hour return window printed on the FastPass ticket. The wording reasonably needed to be changed because so many people became accustomed to coming back any time after the start of that window.

You are only making an assumption about how fp was intended to be used.

Conclusion, not assumption - based on assorted information, most notably that an end time was never removed from the FastPasses. When FP was introduced 1999, there were no exceptions. By 2003 according to another poster, the return time wasn't being enforced.

But Disney never changed the FastPasses to reflect just a "come back at or after" time. They've had at least eight years to make that change, but never did. It's reasonable to think this is NOT a change, but merely enforcement.

 

[UNCFanatik]

And my point is that the FP system is a benefit to FP users to the detriment of standby riders. And EMH is a benefit to those staying onsite to the detriment of those staying off-site.

So what? Disney makes the rules. They chose to allow late FP's. They choose to allow early entry on EMH days. Nobody using a late FP was sneaking behind anyone's back to do so, skirting the rules.

And round and round in circles we go.

AND again it was said:

I'm so sad they made this change, essentially because they took a system that worked great to no ones detriment and made changes that make the park experience less fun

I was merely responding to assertion that the old system did not detriment anyone else. That was a false conclusion.

 

[doconeill]

Conclusion, not assumption - based on assorted information, most notably that an end time was never removed from the FastPasses. When FP was introduced 1999, there were no exceptions. By 2003 according to another poster, the return time wasn't being enforced.

But Disney never changed the FastPasses to reflect just a "come back at or after" time. They've had at least eight years to make that change, but never did. It's reasonable to think this is NOT a change, but merely enforcement.

Assuming the window was put for the reasons believed. I've mentioned before there is documentation as well as hearsay that the window was added because people understood and felt more comfortable coming later than the initial return time when a window was presented.

If this was true, then they wouldn't remove the end time.

 

[mom2rtk]

AND again it was said:



I was merely responding to assertion that the old system did not detriment anyone else. That was a false conclusion.

LOL! You can say it as many times as you like. Believe it or not, that doesn't make it so.

1) If it WAS a detriment to anyone else, WHO CARES? It was Disney policy, and entirely within their right to set as they pleased.

2) Believe it or not, it STILL has not been proven that it WAS indeed a detriment to anyone else.

I have to tell you ........ and this will come as a shocker...... I used a LOT of FP's late in the day over MANY years and MANY trips. (That's because........ once again.... believe it or not..... I actually picked up FP's I intended to use, not just to start some sort of an obsessive hoard)...........and the FP line was never long or unwieldy.

 

[KellyNY]

Well, it's 12:30 there now... and according to the Lines app, they are distributing FPs for 8:30 tonight. So I wouldn't wait until 2 if I were you.....

You mean on Sunday, during Spring Break with crowd level 10, is it also Fantasmic night? You can also run app for Christmas Day, guess we all will be out of luck by 9:30 AM.

Except that I haven't claimed that at all. I'm taking a "wait and see" approach. I'm just saying that anyone trying to make wide-scale conclusions based one one or two isolated examples is being disingenuous.

I have same approach, "wait and see". I think it is a bit too early for that but I commented on post that we have no reports on shorter lines, which is not true.

 

[maxiesmom]

Good point! I've never paid ANY attention to those signs above the kiosks that say when the FP return will be. THANKS for the tip!

I'm guessing you are trying to be funny, but as of now, there is no really great advice. Reports are the CMs are not letting people use their Fastpasses late, unless they can show a meal receipt that proves a time conflict. There really is no other option than to not pull the Fastpass if you have a time conflict. No magic.

 

[mom2rtk]

You mean on Sunday, during Spring Break with crowd level 10, is it also Fantasmic night? You can also run app for Christmas Day, guess we all will be out of luck by 9:30 AM.



I have same approach, "wait and see". I think it is a bit too early for that but I commented on post that we have no reports on shorter lines, which is not true.

Well, for starters, it's ALWAYS a Fantasmic night any more. But I'll go out on a limb and say I will be SHOCKED if the situation with TSM FP's changes substantially as a result of this policy shift.

Time will tell. I just hope people will stop using anecdotal isolated examples to "prove" they were right all along.

 

[doconeill]

Time will tell. I just hope people will stop using anecdotal isolated examples to "prove" they were right all along.

Anecdotal examples are all we've ever had, and likely all we'll ever have. It will take a long time to gauge any effect, and by then Disney will have introduced something new that will mess it all up again.

 

[mom2rtk]

Anecdotal examples are all we've ever had, and likely all we'll ever have. It will take a long time to gauge any effect, and by then Disney will have introduced something new that will mess it all up again.

Absolutely true. But think of how much fun we'll have with all of it in the mean time!

So maybe I'll rephrase........ I'm waiting to decide how I think it's gone until I have at least as many anecdotal reports as I have fingers.

 

[monkyby87]

I'm guessing you are trying to be funny, but as of now, there is no really great advice. Reports are the CMs are not letting people use their Fastpasses late, unless they can show a meal receipt that proves a time conflict. There really is no other option than to not pull the Fastpass if you have a time conflict. No magic.

I agree. I think people just need to use common sense and not get a FP if there may be a time conflict. That really would solve all of these issues with ADR's and FP...

 

[UNCFanatik]

LOL! You can say it as many times as you like. Believe it or not, that doesn't make it so.

1) If it WAS a detriment to anyone else, WHO CARES? It was Disney policy, and entirely within their right to set as they pleased.

2) Believe it or not, it STILL has not been proven that it WAS indeed a detriment to anyone else.

I have to tell you ........ and this will come as a shocker...... I used a LOT of FP's late in the day over MANY years and MANY trips. (That's because........ once again.... believe it or not..... I actually picked up FP's I intended to use, not just to start some sort of an obsessive hoard)...........and the FP line was never long or unwieldy.

It does make it so because its true.

1. I dont care other than the fact to provide a rebuttal to those that would say abusing the old system was not a detriment to others.
2. And yes, it was proven because people hoarded passes that they didnt use and it stopped other people from getting FPs. And if you dont believe that, then it doesnt make it false either.

Good for you. You took advantage of the non-enforcement of the FP window.

 

[skater]

I agree. I think people just need to use common sense and not get a FP if there may be a time conflict. That really would solve all of these issues with ADR's and FP...

I might as well not get FP's anymore. I posted something similar on the other thread. We enjoy relaxing - changing plans, lingering somewhere if we're talking to cm's, having fun with each other, stopping to listen to a performer, etc. I will miss the old system.

 

[WillAustin]

And yes, it was proven because people hoarded passes that they didnt use and it stopped other people from getting FPs. And if you dont believe that, then it doesnt make it false either.

I pretty sure there will be more FPs ending up unused now than there were before, not less.

 

[KellyNY]

Well, for starters, it's ALWAYS a Fantasmic night any more. But I'll go out on a limb and say I will be SHOCKED if the situation with TSM FP's changes substantially as a result of this policy shift.

Time will tell. I just hope people will stop using anecdotal isolated examples to "prove" they were right all along.

Oh, I am sorry I do not follow calendars of events when I do not plan my trip...

I do believe TSM situation may change for better, who knows time will show.

And I am tired of people closing eyes on anything that may prove them wrong.
Many from your front agreed individual affect existed, you participated in those threads, you know it.
And yes, it was allowed but nobody was able to "prove" that it was intendent this way. So basically we can continue running in circles but will it change past or present?

Anyway, as you said, Disney let you do it, now it does not, adjust and enjoy the ride.

 

[maxiesmom]

I pretty sure there will be more FPs ending up unused now than there were before, not less.

I don't know. Maybe now people who really want the FPs and intend to use them will get them. Not people who thought they may want them and so grabbed them just in case, and then didn't end up using them.

I agree though that we all need to focus on what the rules are right now. E-mail or write Disney if you don't like the new way of doing things. But going to the parks and behaving as if things haven't changed, and the getting frustrated and upset is not a great way to spend a vacation.

 

[UNCFanatik]

I pretty sure there will be more FPs ending up unused now than there were before, not less.

Perhaps in the short term because people still think they will be the exception to the rule and can show up past their return window and present any excuse and be admitted in.

Time will certainly tell

 

[WillAustin]

Perhaps in the short term because people still think they will be the exception to the rule and can show up past their return window and present any excuse and be admitted in.

Time will certainly tell

I'm just thinking that most people getting a FP would usually get it anyway, and then see if they can make the window. I know that's what we did before we knew we could arrive later. If we missed the window, then we'd blow it off.

 

[KellyNY]

I pretty sure there will be more FPs ending up unused now than there were before, not less.

If someone will pull FP and will not use it due to poor planning, their choice and SB line will benefit. If people will not pull FP because it is conflicting with something else, someone else will get FP.
Win/Win situation.