Inconsiderate people in lines

[Disney Dreams]

There was a giant discussion about this and I was very surprised to learn how many people find ____, _____, and _____ acceptable reasons for doing so. My thought is this:

Unless it's an emergency, everyone should wait together. What's the big deal you may ask?

Well... If every person in line has 1 person at the restroom, getting a churro, or grabbing a FP, the estimated wait time of 1 hour has just become 2 hours. GIANT difference.

However, people do it and unless you want to pick a fight about it, it is sadly a rude behavior of fellow guests that you just sort of have to roll with and move on.

 

[Disney Dider]

Nope, doesn't bother me. IT'S DISNEYLAND!!!! Its about family and fun. No time for being annoyed at other people. Besides, sometimes there are circumstances beyond our control and getting in our out and back in line is needed. Especially if you have kids. Which most of us there do.

 

[wmah]

I think one way to eliminate some of this problem where one or two people will go to get FP's and the other waits in line. Disney should just get rid of FP all together. I have used it and even after using it I still don't like it cause what it does to the flow of the normal line. Just last week when I was at the Disneyland park waiting in line for the Buzz Lightyear Blasters ride we were standing in one place without moving for at least 10 minutes and there was no line standers or cutters and two people actually left the line cause of the wait. The ride didn't brake down, it was cause they were letting in mobs of people with FP ahead of everyone.

Another thing that bothers me is parents letting their kids jump around in line swing around on the line chains and pushing ahead around the corner to see what is around the corner.

But with the line problems I just shrug it of and don't let it bother me as I am there to enjoy myself and not there to let these things bother me. But now I guess a better thing to do would be to complain to guest relations about this problem and let them deal with it as they may see fit.

I have other rants about line issues but they don't fit in here.

 

[mechurchlady]

I am a single person in parks so here is my beef. I have nobody to hold my place in line so I loose my place if I have to leave for the potty or a drink of water. Why should I wait in line while others are off having fun. I do not have someone to run for FP so why should they.

I get into lines expecting a set wait time. I know that on that ride how long the line should take but wait we have to wait another 5 minutes because someone was doing something else. Some people think it is fine to have one person in line while the rest of the group is off to lunch ro whatever. I say everyone should get in line except emergencies. I say everyone should wait and I am disabled trying to get a scooter. I am fighting for my right to set in line like everyone else. I recently did the bobsleds and waited 30 minutes just like everyone else despite the scooter. What makes some people feel they do not have to wait like others?

It is rude and I am not going to let others cut in line. I see it as line cutting. If they have an emergency then go to the ride greeter and explain. The CM will arrange for the person to meet up with the group. Also it can be hard on other guests when people wedge through narrow lines. It is not my job and I am in parks to have fun but why should I allow someone to cheat and make us all wait extra time. It is the same as reporting a pot smoker or someone stealing from the parks. Anyone caught cheating will have their fingers pinched when they try to pass me, I got health issues that I will use if need be.

 

[Lakewood]

Anyone caught cheating will have their fingers pinched when they try to pass me, I got health issues that I will use if need be.

Probably not the smartest thing to do... regardless of "health issues".

Violence is never the best way to solve an issue...

 

[Mugglemama]

we've had to do this a couple of times for kid potty issues, or to change a diaper (i mean, do any of you really WANT us to continue to stand in line while our kid smells icky? - what's less pleasant...smelling them or nudging over 10 minutes later so we can get back in line?)

 

[bumbershoot]

Well, inside of our family, if someone leaves a line, the others either continue on and we meet up later, or we all leave and do NOT come back into line. But we try really hard to not leave line, b/c it's a huge pain to get out of the line unless you're near an exit.

It took us 3 tries to get on Jungle Cruise two trips ago b/c the first 2 times, as soon as we got in sight of the gate overlooking the exit DS had an urgent need to use the bathroom. We could have very easily left an adult right there at the gate while the other adult and DS used the bathroom, then have the two rejoin, but that's just not the way we do things. DS also needed the bathroom about halfway through a surprisingly long wait for Casey's, and when we got in talking-distance to a CM so we could get out a proper gate, all three of us left. She even TOLD us to come back by the exit so we didn't have to wait, but we just don't do that. We came back, waited in the normal line, and it was fine.

As for what others do, it might bother me, and we might grumble, but I have NO interest in starting something, in blocking someone, in doing anything to someone else that might cause a problem. So I don't block lines, I don't harm people, I don't even think of harming them.

We were waiting 40 minutes for TSMM, and we were around halfway or 3/4 of the way done with the line when a large group of people came through the line to meet their group. I got a little twitchy about it and probably grumped to hubby, but then when I saw them rejoin their VERY large group, I realized that I had indeed seen them in the line before, and they had probably climbed out of the line (they were all tall) at a point where they could do that, but their group had moved further on so they had to just go through the line from the start to meet up. And so if I had indeed said or done anything, I would have been in the wrong, b/c they had been up there, I just hadn't seen them leave.

So while we don't rejoin or come back through the exit if CMs tell us to, I'm not going to start something, b/c I could very well be wrong about what I perceive the situation to be.

 

[CaliLuvinGirl]

Well, inside of our family, if someone leaves a line, the others either continue on and we meet up later, or we all leave and do NOT come back into line. But we try really hard to not leave line, b/c it's a huge pain to get out of the line unless you're near an exit.

It took us 3 tries to get on Jungle Cruise two trips ago b/c the first 2 times, as soon as we got in sight of the gate overlooking the exit DS had an urgent need to use the bathroom. We could have very easily left an adult right there at the gate while the other adult and DS used the bathroom, then have the two rejoin, but that's just not the way we do things. DS also needed the bathroom about halfway through a surprisingly long wait for Casey's, and when we got in talking-distance to a CM so we could get out a proper gate, all three of us left. She even TOLD us to come back by the exit so we didn't have to wait, but we just don't do that. We came back, waited in the normal line, and it was fine.

As for what others do, it might bother me, and we might grumble, but I have NO interest in starting something, in blocking someone, in doing anything to someone else that might cause a problem. So I don't block lines, I don't harm people, I don't even think of harming them.

We were waiting 40 minutes for TSMM, and we were around halfway or 3/4 of the way done with the line when a large group of people came through the line to meet their group. I got a little twitchy about it and probably grumped to hubby, but then when I saw them rejoin their VERY large group, I realized that I had indeed seen them in the line before, and they had probably climbed out of the line (they were all tall) at a point where they could do that, but their group had moved further on so they had to just go through the line from the start to meet up. And so if I had indeed said or done anything, I would have been in the wrong, b/c they had been up there, I just hadn't seen them leave.

So while we don't rejoin or come back through the exit if CMs tell us to, I'm not going to start something, b/c I could very well be wrong about what I perceive the situation to be.

You said it perfectly! I agree with you 100%

 

[AlexMouse]

I agree with what most of you have said as far as "I'm here to have fun, I don't let it bother me..." etc...

HOWEVER...

Something that does really bother me, and something that I have witnessed first-hand at almost ever theme park I've ever attended, is when children think they can put one over on the adults and basically cut through the line saying that they are trying to "catch up to their parents" when their parents aren't even there.

A lot of kids these days seem to know this "trick" and to me (perhaps it's just the Brit in me...) this is cheating, and just wrong.

In this situation, they should, at the very least, be made to go back and get in the line at the end as they should have done to begin with.

To let kids get away with that is, IMHO, sending the wrong message.

I've also noticed that most parks don't care (even though they say that line cutting is cause for ejection) and on almost every single trip I take to any theme park I see this activity occurring. What bothers me even more is that the kids laugh about it because they think it's so funny that they get away with it.

Don't really know what the answer is, and I'm too much of a "mind my own business" kind of person to ever say anything, but it does bother me.

Still, "I'm there to have fun" and point taken in that regard.

 

[arliepooh68]

I have to say I saw a very honest dude last night.. . he asked if he could jump ahead of us as his party was up ahead (or so he thought). . . we were in line for Buzz, so that door that leads to the exit and the wheelchair access area, we get to that point and he realizes his family is already gone on the ride, so he walked out through the door and waited for them. .

how many times have we all heard that line of my party is just up there and thought to ourselves (sure they are).. so I thought it was cool to see that, he could have just as easily rode the ride by himself, but he chose to do the "right" thing and proceed to the exit instead.

 

[ratherbe@disneyland]

I could understand if parent/kid had to leave for bathroom break. But at the same time, that is part of the game with parents/kids isn't it, you miss out on some stuff? I dunno how I stand on this issue really, because it is an issue.
A DJ in my area has been associated with Disney for several years, and makes several trips to Disneyland. But one time he was at the park, waiting in the long Fantasyland rides. First he was at Dumbo, and this little boy comes up and says "excuse me, my mom is up there." So he let the little boy through. About 10 minutes later this lady comes through "my son is up there." It was only the 2 of them, and this happened to this DJ about 4 times in the next rides. Same lady, same story, same 2 mom/child. Its fine if it really was a potty emergency, but I think that people like this ruin it for the parents who really are doing emergency type things.
For me, if my DH or I had to go to the bathroom, we make sure we stop, go, then get in line. I know its harder with kids, but I'm afraid the one's that take advantage will lead to Disney enforcing the no cutting rule.

 

[LisainCalifornia]

That can be very annoying

 

[Hoho5000]

I was waiting in line, for Indiana Jones last week, and the standby queue was fairly long. There were two guys ahead of me. One answered his phone and said something like "just meet us in line." Sure enough, a few minutes later, a couple of women with a kid undo the rope and cut right in front of me. And no, they weren't coming from the bathroom or anything, they were coming from lunch.

I can't stand when people do this. If our group gets separated, the part that's ahead waits for the part that's behind, even if people offer to let us pass. I think it's very rude and not fair for anyone behind you.

And for those that say that it doesn't bother them because they're just there to enjoy it, well I am too. But waiting longer in line because other don't want to wait is not fun.

 

[alvernon90]

And for those that say that it doesn't bother them because they're just there to enjoy it, well I am too. But waiting longer in line because other don't want to wait is not fun.

Exactly! It's the people who don't mind who are part of the problem. Inconsiderate people feel free to jump the line and make everyone wait because they know people are doormats and won't care.

Of course, most people don't jump the line, because if a majority of people did it there would be no line, it would just be anarchy. The line jumpers cheat because they know that most people won't and that most people will just let them get away with it.

For those of you who don't care when somebody cuts in front of you in a line, let me ask you this: Let's say that you have been waiting for 20 minutes to place your order at a counter service restaurant like the Hungry Bear. You have finally gotten to the front of the line and the cashier says, "May I take your order?" At that very moment, a family of six steps right in front of you and gives their order. Are you OK with that? Do you say, "Hey, I'm at Disneyland and I'm here to have fun, I won't let it bother me" and just shrug it off? What if it happens twice in a row, another family jumps in right after the first, and now the restaurant has served 12 people in the time since they were supposed to have served you? Are you still perfectly fine with it?

To me, the only difference between having this happen at the Hungry Bear and having it happen at the Jungle Cruise is what you are waiting for. But having somebody shove you aside to place their order is exactly the same as shoving you aside to get ahead in a line for a ride. Are you Disney Zen practitioners really OK with both situations??

 

[QueenDoOver]

I don't consider myself either a doormat or a zen Disney person. But, in general, the scope of the problem has not been such that I allow it to effect my vacation at my happy spot. There is far more goodwill than there is ill manners, and I have to believe that MOST of the people that are getting out of line are doing so for a good reason. If that were to change, then my perspective may change.

Actually, I did have a really negative experience when entering DCA with my two children. I was approaching the CM at the gate, with AP's in hand. A lady stepped in front of me with a paper, to ask the CM a question. The CM told her that yes she could just go straight through the gate, at which time the lady called over her 16 kids to go in front of me and my two children. I have to say, I shoved through the hoard, to the next gate and I was fuming. I muttered something about how that rude lady was raining on my magic, and this nice lady in front of me offered to let us go in front of her. For no other reason than just to make me feel better. I quickly regained my perspective.

So I guess I choose to focus on the positive experiences and let the rest go and I don't think that is being a doormat.

 

[alvernon90]

So I guess I choose to focus on the positive experiences and let the rest go and I don't think that is being a doormat.

Respectfully, I disagree. From what you've just described, I wouldn't say that you are not a doormat. Rather, you're saying that you're OK with being a doormat because the vast majority of people won't walk all over you, so you don't mind it when a small minority of people do walk all over you.

Though you're not really even saying that. You're saying that it does bother you when it happens, but you are able to get over it quickly and easily.

More power to you, but I'm just not like that. I can't stand it when people take advantage of the kindness of strangers, and that's just what the line jumpers do.

 

[Sherwin]

For those of you who don't care when somebody cuts in front of you in a line, let me ask you this: Let's say that you have been waiting for 20 minutes to place your order at a counter service restaurant like the Hungry Bear. You have finally gotten to the front of the line and the cashier says, "May I take your order?" At that very moment, a family of six steps right in front of you and gives their order. Are you OK with that? Do you say, "Hey, I'm at Disneyland and I'm here to have fun, I won't let it bother me" and just shrug it off? What if it happens twice in a row, another family jumps in right after the first, and now the restaurant has served 12 people in the time since they were supposed to have served you? Are you still perfectly fine with it?

Well, that's different. I don't think anyone would be okay with that. The people more lenient with this are okay with letting people through to find their parties, not entire groups jumping in front.

 

[alvernon90]

Well, that's different. I don't think anyone would be okay with that. The people more lenient with this are okay with letting people through to find their parties, not entire groups jumping in front.

Hmm, you may be right. I've read a few posts in this thread as being OK with line jumping in general, but perhaps those posters are assuming that the jumpers are catching up to their party.

In any case, the practical effect is the same. You are being shoved further back in line by people who may or may not have a good excuse for cutting ahead. I totally agree with the posters who say that rather than catching up to the people who are ahead in line, the people ahead should stand still and let others go past them until the rest of their group catches up.

I generally accept only one very limited exception to this rule. Sometimes when you are heading into a queue you see little kids hustling ahead of their parents, so the kids enter the queue in front of you and the parents are behind you. In principle the kids should wait for their parents to catch up, but in practice a lot of kids don't care if their parents join them on the ride or not -- they are perfectly happy to ride alone and wait for their parents at the exit. In this case, the parents only need to skip over a few people, and it's not like they were off having a good time instead of waiting in line, and it's the only way they can ride with their kids, so I take pity on them and let them cut in front of me.

That, and perhaps the small child potty break exception are the only two I would make. Everyone else who tries to cut in front of me must pay for it by having me loudly humiliate them as they go by. It's all part of the magic!

 

[bumbershoot]

For those of you who don't care when somebody cuts in front of you in a line, let me ask you this: Let's say that you have been waiting for 20 minutes to place your order at a counter service restaurant like the Hungry Bear. You have finally gotten to the front of the line and the cashier says, "May I take your order?" At that very moment, a family of six steps right in front of you and gives their order. Are you OK with that? Do you say, "Hey, I'm at Disneyland and I'm here to have fun, I won't let it bother me" and just shrug it off? What if it happens twice in a row, another family jumps in right after the first, and now the restaurant has served 12 people in the time since they were supposed to have served you? Are you still perfectly fine with it?

Well, since we're *mainly* talking about people who really ARE meeting up with people in the line ahead, your situation would actually be even more fine with me. With rides, you have to be there, butt in the seat, to ride the ride (OK except for the Nemo alternative viewing area, no seat required, but you get what I'm saying). But if one person orders 10 meals or 10 people order 1 meal each, it's not that much different. Heck, the 10 different orders could take LESS time, as the cooks aren't getting confused trying to get everything out together. If there was one person ahead of me with 9 others waiting in the wings, those 10 meals were going to be ordered no matter what. So it's more palatable to me.

I've never seen the situation that the pp's DJ friend experienced. And the one time I did get grumbly and judgy about the situation (trust me, I judge OTHER situations very well, LOL, I'm no saint when it comes to that!) in that TSMM line, I was absolutely wrong. But even if I were to judge a situation in the future I'm *still* not going to jeopardize myself and my trip and even my safety to say or do something about it. I have NO interest in being in a situation like those ladies in the Dumbo line at WDW found themselves in a couple years back. I'd rather wait another 5 minutes than get punched or worse.



OK wait wait, I have to stop myself! I just had a memory of the one time we went on Gadget's Go Coaster. First big trip in '07, the line is wide if I recall correctly, and it's a slow-loader. This young teen boy was inching his way up slowly past us, and it was so annoying and so nonsensical, that I finally looked at him and said something like "really?" or "seriously?" or something like that, with one of the very few "mom stares" I've ever managed to do properly, and he slunk back behind us. So I guess I *have* acted, once...but gol, thinking about it NOW, I feel like a prize idiot. I mean, what was it going to do to me, ya know? So some 14 year old wanted to get in front of us, who really cares? He wanted to go on a little coaster...he's probably 16 or now and wouldn't go on it on a dare...man I feel low now.

 

[Sherwin]

Hmm, you may be right. I've read a few posts in this thread as being OK with line jumping in general, but perhaps those posters are assuming that the jumpers are catching up to their party.

In any case, the practical effect is the same. You are being shoved further back in line by people who may or may not have a good excuse for cutting ahead. I totally agree with the posters who say that rather than catching up to the people who are ahead in line, the people ahead should stand still and let others go past them until the rest of their group catches up.

Either way, we do not know the true motives of line-cutters or jumpers. If two people are trying squeeze by and they point a party member at the front of the line, who is clearly waving to them or whatnot, I won't have too big a problem letting them pass. But I would definitely not let anyone pass if they clearly had no reason to jump up.