Any rumor for POTC 4

[adabob]

Is there any rumor that is floating around for POTC 4 that might come out

If there is what might it be about

 

[DiszyDean]

The speculation I have heard is that Johnny Depp and producer Jerry Bruckheimer would be interested in doing a POTC 4.

Some of the speculation talks about Bloom and Knightley no longer being a part of the franchise and they will start a new trilogy with POTC 4, introducing new characters. Barbosa and his crew and Captain Jack and his crew will stay in tact but the main supporting roles will be played by different people and introduce new characters into the franchise.

Also, because of the reference to the "Fountain of Youth" at the end of POTC 3, many people speculate that the 4th POTC will start with that adventure. Others disagree and say that the reference to the "Fountain of Youth" being in Florida is just a shout out to Disney. When they are looking at the Florida map at the end of POTC 3 for the Fountain of Youth, it appears that the 'X' that marks the spot is right on Orlando. Meaning that the "fountain of youth" for everyone is WDW.

Just some very broad speculation here with nothing to back it up.

 

[adabob]

So if they make a POTC 4 Will and Elizibeth will not be in it? did i get that right

 

[EUROPACL]

I've gotta think it would be better and cheaper for Disney just to pay 100 million to Bruckheimer and Depp not to make another mess of a movie and spend the other 400 million on something better.

 

[DiszyDean]

I've gotta think it would be better and cheaper for Disney just to pay 100 million to Bruckheimer and Depp not to make another mess of a movie and spend the other 400 million on something better.

Well, better is a matter of opinion, but cheaper? Regardless of what you may think about the quality of the movie, the fact stands that it has made a boatload of money. The financial incentive is there to make another one.

 

[DiszyDean]

So if they make a POTC 4 Will and Elizibeth will not be in it? did i get that right

Yes, that is the speculation. The characters Elizabeth and Will Turner would not be in POTC 4. They would introduce some new characters. The thought being that the plot line for these two characters has run its course.

 

[DiszyDean]

Post edited as quoted remark was argumentative and sarcastic. This post has been deleted from the thread - Crazy4wdw

Well, why don't you enlighten us all instead of being so condescending...Are you saying that POTC 3 will not make money?

 

[athenna]

IMHO, (SPOILER ALERT, JUST IN CASE)

The scene towards the end where Barbossa is looking at the charts and referring to the Fountain of Youth is a blatent obvious set up to a POTC4...I have heard a rumor that is is a go for 2011.

 

[Golf4food]

The speculation I have heard is that Johnny Depp and producer Jerry Bruckheimer would be interested in doing a POTC 4.

Some of the speculation talks about Bloom and Knightley no longer being a part of the franchise and they will start a new trilogy with POTC 4, introducing new characters. Barbosa and his crew and Captain Jack and his crew will stay in tact but the main supporting roles will be played by different people and introduce new characters into the franchise.

Also, because of the reference to the "Fountain of Youth" at the end of POTC 3, many people speculate that the 4th POTC will start with that adventure. Others disagree and say that the reference to the "Fountain of Youth" being in Florida is just a shout out to Disney. When they are looking at the Florida map at the end of POTC 3 for the Fountain of Youth, it appears that the 'X' that marks the spot is right on Orlando. Meaning that the "fountain of youth" for everyone is WDW.

Just some very broad speculation here with nothing to back it up.

The "X" on the map of Florida was very much no where near the Orlando area - looked like it was in the Everglades to me, south of Lake Okeechobee.

The only two fountains of Youth that I am aware of are: the tourist trap in St. Augustine, FL and the tourist trap in Bimini, Bahamas. Are there others in Louisiana or Texas? (Would make sense to have others vis a vis Spanish explorations and the folklore.)

 

[crazy4wdw]

Well, why don't you enlighten us all instead of being so condescending...Are you saying that POTC 3 will not make money?

As of today, POTC: At World's End total box office (domestic & foreign) is $467,568,000. That's almost one-half a billion dollars! Looks like alot of money to me. It will also be a top selling DVD whenever its released, at least another $400 to $500 million to add to the total take.

Edit: My info is incorrect, the total box office is $625.3 million.

 

[kristytru]

My son found info on the internet stating that a screenplay for POTC for is currently being written, but no word of it being a definite "go"

 

[YoHo]

Make Money or make profit?

Of course it will make money. In order to be profitable for Disney though, the whole shebang would need to pull in north of $1billion. They need to pull in $500 million to cover production and marketing and that doesn't include the cut the movie theaters get, the cut Bruckheimer takes and the cut Depp takes. Disney gets less then 50 cents on the dollar for these movies.

Also, the interview with the writers on Boxofficemojo said that there may be a 4th, but it's not for sure. Between the costs of this one and the 63ish% week to week drop off in their box office take, I'd have to say that no, they won't make more.

 

[naaah]

yeah they should just leave it at as a trilogy.

 

[DiszyDean]

Make Money or make profit?

Of course it will make money. In order to be profitable for Disney though, the whole shebang would need to pull in north of $1billion. They need to pull in $500 million to cover production and marketing and that doesn't include the cut the movie theaters get, the cut Bruckheimer takes and the cut Depp takes. Disney gets less then 50 cents on the dollar for these movies.

Also, the interview with the writers on Boxofficemojo said that there may be a 4th, but it's not for sure. Between the costs of this one and the 63ish% week to week drop off in their box office take, I'd have to say that no, they won't make more.

Where do you get the number of over 1 billion dollars for total movie cost? I realize that the movie cost over 200m to make but another 800 million dollars in cost seems excessive. In addition, the movie will not see a week-to-week dropoff of 63%. That is the dropoff from the premier week to this week but the next really big, anticipated movie to come out will be Transformers on July 4th. I think POTC 3 will continue to pull in decent numbers until then.

POTC 3 has made over 600 million worldwide in 2 weeks of release which does not include merchandising or DVD PPV sales.

The only reason I could see them not making a 4th would be if somehow Johnny Depp did not want to make another one. I think this is a financially lucrative film for Disney.

 

[DiszyDean]

In addition, Spiderman 3 is widely considered the most expensive movie ever made with total costs, including production and marketing costs at just over 500 million dollars. And even some movie insiders are questioning whether it was actually that high. This is why it is hard for me to believe that POTC 3 is double that in costs.

 

[Another Voice]

Where do you get the number of over 1 billion dollars for total movie cost?

The $1 billion figure he is talking about is not the movie's cost, but the project worldwide box office it will need just to break-even. And that's a very favorable number. Because of the extensive revenue participation involved, the money will likely need to do much more than that before The Walt Disney Company recoups their investment.

A movie's box office has now become a major part of the movie's marketing campaign. That means reality gets obscured (if not down right fabricated) in order serve the hype. Anytime a studio tells you they're going to make tons of money off a movie, treat it like they're talking about "true, deep, passionate" love that binds Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes in pure honest matrimony for evermore (California’s 10 year community property law or the triumphal return of Xenu not withstanding).

And yes - a 63% drop-off from the first "big week" box office is a flat out disaster for a movie this size. Ask all those people at Columbia who will pack up their offices later thanks to Spider-man 3. The internal numbers for At World's End are horrible even from the first weekend. The trend is consistent with what marketing is seeing - people went to this one because of the goodwill from the very first movie, but no one really likes AWE and they're not telling their friends and neighbors to go see it. It's also not bringing in repeat business nor has it re-captured the interest of a huge chuck of the audience that was turned off by Dead Man's Chest.

Yes, I know that you've see the movie eight times and the Aunt Tilly is rounding up the entire bridge club - but if you're on this board it automatically means you're not part of the general audience. You already have a strong bias for Disney; that's not the case with 99.9% of everyone else in the country who just see Pirates as another summer blockbuster.

Disney is, after all, a business - there are many times more "normal" people that they have to please than rabid fans to call any movie a "success".

Plans for Pirate 4 have, I’m sure, been cancelled the moment Bob Iger could fumble for his cell phone. There is no way Disney is going to drop the estimated $600-$700 million on a franchise that people are done with. At the same time, the failure of At World’s End will also put pressure on Disney to come up with some other ways to leverage the franchise – they’ve sunk far too much money into the series now just to drop it.

Whether we’ll see cheaper sequels, a television series (unlikely, apparently Bruckheimer has already shot down Disney’s proposal), direct-to-DVD flicks or whatever – whatever you’ll see is going to be dirt cheap to make.

 

[disneyfan67]

Where do you get the number of over 1 billion dollars for total movie cost? I realize that the movie cost over 200m to make but another 800 million dollars in cost seems excessive. In addition, the movie will not see a week-to-week dropoff of 63%. That is the dropoff from the premier week to this week but the next really big, anticipated movie to come out will be Transformers on July 4th. I think POTC 3 will continue to pull in decent numbers until then.

POTC 3 has made over 600 million worldwide in 2 weeks of release which does not include merchandising or DVD PPV sales.

The only reason I could see them not making a 4th would be if somehow Johnny Depp did not want to make another one. I think this is a financially lucrative film for Disney.

These are the figures below, from Box Office Mojo. YoHo and AV are correct about not just looking at numbers and thinking Disney has made a fortune. There's a few that will be getting their cut from the back end of this movie as well as a cut of DVD sales. All is not well at this moment and you can bet Disney is hoping that now that school is out, more people will hopefully be seeing this move and there will be repeat business. I can't see it making a billion dollars in the movie theater though. I expect within 3 weeks or so, that it might be leaving the theaters.

PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN:
AT WORLD'S END

Domestic Total as of Jun. 3, 2007: $216,527,000 (Estimate)
Distributor: Buena Vista Release Date: May 25, 2007
Genre: Period Adventure Running Time: 2 hrs. 48 min.
MPAA Rating: PG-13 Production Budget: $300 million

TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $216,527,000 46.3%
+ Foreign: $251,041,000 53.7%

Worldwide: $467,568,000

Opening Weekend: $114,732,820
(4,362 theaters, $26,302 average)
% of Total Gross: 53.0%
Widest Release: 4,362 theaters
In Release: 10 days / 1.4 weeks

 

[DiszyDean]

The $1 billion figure he is talking about is not the movie's cost, but the project worldwide box office it will need just to break-even. And that's a very favorable number. Because of the extensive revenue participation involved, the money will likely need to do much more than that before The Walt Disney Company recoups their investment.

A movie's box office has now become a major part of the movie's marketing campaign. That means reality gets obscured (if not down right fabricated) in order serve the hype. Anytime a studio tells you they're going to make tons of money off a movie, treat it like they're talking about "true, deep, passionate" love that binds Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes in pure honest matrimony for evermore (California’s 10 year community property law or the triumphal return of Xenu not withstanding).

And yes - a 63% drop-off from the first "big week" box office is a flat out disaster for a movie this size. Ask all those people at Columbia who will pack up their offices later thanks to Spider-man 3. The internal numbers for At World's End are horrible even from the first weekend. The trend is consistent with what marketing is seeing - people went to this one because of the goodwill from the very first movie, but no one really likes AWE and they're not telling their friends and neighbors to go see it. It's also not bringing in repeat business nor has it re-captured the interest of a huge chuck of the audience that was turned off by Dead Man's Chest.

Yes, I know that you've see the movie eight times and the Aunt Tilly is rounding up the entire bridge club - but if you're on this board it automatically means you're not part of the general audience. You already have a strong bias for Disney; that's not the case with 99.9% of everyone else in the country who just see Pirates as another summer blockbuster.

Disney is, after all, a business - there are many times more "normal" people that they have to please than rabid fans to call any movie a "success".

Plans for Pirate 4 have, I’m sure, been cancelled the moment Bob Iger could fumble for his cell phone. There is no way Disney is going to drop the estimated $600-$700 million on a franchise that people are done with. At the same time, the failure of At World’s End will also put pressure on Disney to come up with some other ways to leverage the franchise – they’ve sunk far too much money into the series now just to drop it.

Whether we’ll see cheaper sequels, a television series (unlikely, apparently Bruckheimer has already shot down Disney’s proposal), direct-to-DVD flicks or whatever – whatever you’ll see is going to be dirt cheap to make.

So, where are the facts to support any of this? That one-billion dollar number is being thrown around pretty freely...I just don't think it is accurate.

The numbers from the opening weekend were horrible? It was one of the biggest opening weekends of all time.

The average Yahoo users rating for this movie is a B+. I think this includes much of the "general" audience you are talking about, not just Disney fans.

Basically, it appears that the assertions by a few on this particular board will always spin towards the negative whether or not they have facts to support it.

 

[DiszyDean]

To add to the argument, here is a link to an article I found interesting..

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/20070603/118091880000.html

Here are some notable extracts from the article...

"The big drop for "Pirates of the Caribbean" was typical of summer flicks that open to colossal numbers. In the second weekend, Sony's "Spider-Man 3" tumbled 62 percent from its record $151.1 million debut, while DreamWorks Animation's "Shrek the Third" fell 57 percent from its $121.6 million opening."

"Overseas, "At World's End" did an additional $105.4 million over the weekend to bring its worldwide total to $625.3 million."

Another quote from a different article:

"Dead Man's Chest" topped out at $1.1 billion, a record for a Disney movie. The new film is tracking 44 percent ahead of that film in Latin America, 28 percent ahead in Asia and eight percent ahead in Europe, said David Kornblum, Disney's vice president of international sales and distribution."

Somehow I do not think there is enough data to support your claim that the masses are "done" with the POTC franchise.

 

[YoHo]

So, where are the facts to support any of this?

Consider it first source and leave it at that.


In other words, there are people who get paid to know these things and some of them post on the internet.