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vascubaguy
01-07-2006, 03:45 PM
I have been wanting to see Brokeback Mountain but it finally just came out here, in limited release. There are about 10 theaters in the immediate area where I live, including AMC, Regal and Cinemark and several have 18 screens (most are at least 10+). Out of all of those, there is a small 1 screen theater that is showing Brokeback and 1 of the 12 screen Regal Theaters.

Anyway, I think we are going to go see it either tonight or tomorrow. Has anyone else seen it (or going to go see it)? If you have seen it, what did you think?

MickeyDee
01-07-2006, 03:54 PM
Oh...my....god....I went to see if by myself last weekend and am fighting the very strong urge to go see it again this weekend (only because I'm semi-broke, but come payday, I'm there). I loved it! Heath Ledger & Jake Gyllenhaal are amazing and the story is amazing, the music is haunting, and it's been with me all week. Can't wait to see it again!

When I went I was very surprised, cuz I expected it to be me a couple other people, but the theatre was packed! Mostly with older, apparently straight, couples, which I found very interesting...and this was at an early afternoon showing too. I guess it's been doing pretty well here.

Coty's Dads
01-07-2006, 04:35 PM
We went to see it this afternoon. We really liked it - Heath Ledger did a great job.

Wolfen-Sensei
01-07-2006, 04:49 PM
I want to see it really badly! I was supposed to see it last Friday but it wasn't playing in the theatre that I usually go to so we saw a different movie instead. Though I've heard it's really good. Or to quote Javier, "Two straight guys trying to act gay...IT WAS FUNNY AS HELL!"

Viki
01-07-2006, 06:05 PM
The greatest love story ever told.

Empare
01-07-2006, 06:23 PM
I was surprised by Heath Ledger in this movie! His acting was terrible in A Knights Tale. I guess he felt more at home in a cowboy hat instead of a suit of armor. :scratchin he he

SeattleRedBear
01-07-2006, 06:46 PM
I'd like to see it as it's gotten raves, but Husbear definitely will not be going. His tastes run to comedy and musicals, pure escapism. If he wants to experience drama, he just calls one of his children. When asked specifically about brokeback mountain, the response was "Been there, done that...why would I pay money to see it?" And the fact that the actors are "risking" their careers to play gay really irks him. So, is Nathan Lane 'risking' his career to play straight in the Producers? There's a reason it's called ACTING!

Anyway, we're all entitled to our hot button issues. It's not on the top of my list, but I'm sure I'd enjoy it. Glad to hear that it's getting good audiences outside of the big cities.

Chuck S
01-07-2006, 08:40 PM
I saw it on Wednesday with a straight friend and his wife. The theater was about 1/2 full, which was good for a 2pm show in San Antonio, especially given the subject matter in this fairly conservative state. About 1/3 of the audience was family, I'd guess, 1/3 hetero couple, and 1/3 older sr. citizens. I'm really surprised that this movie seems to appeal to the senior crowd. Good movie, the first 30 minutes seemed pretty slow to me, but the overall story line was great.

I plan to buy the DVD when it is released.

Buckleigh
01-08-2006, 11:35 AM
My boyfriend and I saw it last week and we really liked it. Got to the theater a few minutes late (I like to see the previews). We walked into a packed theater and I was shocked, thought there would be a smattering of people. From what we could tell after the movie was a very mixed crowd. Las Vegas isn't the most gay community of cities. We had to sit in the front of the theater and it was really too close. I would like to see it again to get a seat further back in the theater. The cinematography was great (my fave shot was the fireworks). Don't wanna spoil anything for anyone that hasn't seen it yet, but was anyone else confused by the timing of Alma's confrontation? I've been recommending it to straight friends as more of a LOVE story.

TLPL
01-08-2006, 02:05 PM
We watched it last week and it was very good. It is the kind of movie that make you think and my partner and I kept talking about all the little details all day afterward. I am glad I live in Canada in the 21st century.

kittymasi
01-08-2006, 02:08 PM
nvm

SeattleRedBear
01-08-2006, 02:58 PM
Boston is playing it alot. My husband and I are really excited about seeing it. I am afraid its going to make me cry, though, and I HATE crying in the movies! Makes me feel idiotic somehow.
I just have to respond to this as it's one of my personal peeves. If I go to a movie with no expectations and it turns out to somehow get to me and I cry, that's OK (it's taken me years to accept it, but I've learned that sadness is a really core thing for me...no wonder I identify with Eeyore!) (and Goofy...what a strange combination)). But when Steven Spielberg is doing one of his dramas, and you know what's coming up (foreshadowing...he loves to hit people over the head with it), and the violins swell and the cinematography and the lighting and the sound all scream THIS IS THE PART WHERE YOU CRY NOW! and I do, I feel like the director has once again taken me (kicking and screaming) to this emotional place that I don't want to go to (and he can do that because I am such a simple creature). I just feel so manipulated and violated and used...OOH, I JUST HATE THAT!!!!

Of course, it's not MY problem :sad1: I blame the filmmaker! ::yes::

TuppenceABag
01-08-2006, 08:55 PM
We just got back from seeing the movie and I must say it was much better than I thought it was going to be. I didn't cry, although I felt at times I could at any second. I am kind of interested in reading the short story the movie is based on. I definetly would recommend seeing this one! Jake Gyllenhaal is beautiful! And I learned a knew phrase "Stemmin' the rose".

micknpluto
01-08-2006, 09:12 PM
I saw it last night and It was great. I heard they have a book out and if you read it it explains a lot of stuff in the movie that may have gone unanswered.. I want to read it. Not sure if the book is called "brokeback mountain" or not??

icebrat001
01-09-2006, 12:05 AM
I guess we've got to go see it soon.

LJC1861
01-09-2006, 01:56 AM
We wanted to see it today and the only theater in Asheville NC that is showing it had a line down the block for each and every show. We could not get in to the first one and when we saw the line for the second decided to wait until next weekend. This particular theater does not sell advance tickets either...which in my mind does not make sense. It was interesting to see the mix of people on the line as well. I can't wait to see the film!

Linda

ChrizJen
01-09-2006, 10:55 AM
This is really a MUST see...for anyone in my opinion.
It tugs at so many emotions on so many levels. (some for obvious reasons and some for not-so-obvious reasons.)

I think that it was not really expected to do so well, and it EXPOLDED! When we saw it (in St. Louis), it was only playing in one small theater. You know, the little 2-screen independant theater. When we saw it (the week after it came out) the theater was packed. And now it's playing in the big theaters.

Great movie!
-Christal

krismom
01-09-2006, 04:12 PM
does anyone know where to download the short story it's based on?

SeattleRedBear
01-09-2006, 04:54 PM
I don't think it's available freely online as it's still recent enough to be under copyright. It was originally published as a 10-page short story in the New Yorker:

Brokeback mountain
Proulx, Annie.
The New Yorker. New York: Oct 13, 1997.Vol.73, Iss. 31; pg. 74

and after winning a 1998 O. Henry Award was reprinted in:

Prize Stories 1998: The O. Henry Awards
New York : Doubleday, 1998.

Unfortunately, the New Yorker does not make their pre-2005 content available online (except through secondary subscription services). I would suggest you try your local library as both the New Yorker and the Prize Stories series should be standard library purchases.

Also, Scribner just published a book of the same title that not only includes Proulx' original short story, but also the screenplay and essays by Proulx and by the author's of the screenplay. More info at:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743294165/102-6685713-7162558

Her website includes a link to an interview she did about the movie:

http://www.annieproulx.com/

SeattleRedBear
01-09-2006, 05:08 PM
PS. the story is also in the author's anthology:

Close Range: Wyoming Stories

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684852225/102-6685713-7162558

I read on a fanblog that the New Yorker originally had the full-text available online and then pulled it. Probably something having to do with who actually had rights to the electronic version.

SeattleRedBear
01-09-2006, 05:21 PM
Don't know how long it will be up here, so if you're interested in reading it, better get on it:

http://lamusclepower.tribe.net/thread/45024476-10bb-4e43-b09d-5e95dce67ef4

krismom
01-09-2006, 05:40 PM
Thanks so much for posting the link!!!!!
I already printed it in case it gets pulled .
I looked all over- should've know a fellow Dis'er would help me!
:worship:

TuppenceABag
01-09-2006, 06:07 PM
Just got done reading the short story. I am kind of speechless as I was after seeing the film. It is really amazing that they turned that short story into a two+ hour film. Awesome stuff!

StormTigger
01-09-2006, 10:05 PM
Thanks for posting the link! Copied the story and sending it to friends who wanted to read it. :cool2:

I've seen the movie 2x now. Husbear got sick :sick: on me the 1st time I went to see it so had to go a 2nd time to make sure he got a chance to see it. I must say it is a good movie, hit all the points to when Oscars, but I'm a bit more jaded in life so I'll keep my opinions to myself. Even w/ that said... I think it's a great movie that people shouldn't hesitate to see.

Hey ChrizJen... fellow StLouis resident here! :wave:

ChrizJen
01-11-2006, 09:56 AM
Hey StormTigger! Wher abouts in STL do you live?
We're in South City/South Grand area
-Christal

dkostel
01-12-2006, 10:25 AM
Saw it in Chicago, loved it & cried. A 20 something straight couple was sitting behind me & she giggled like a school girl during all the love scenes. Annoying yes, but I guess it is better than some of the alternatives.

Banzai
01-15-2006, 12:19 PM
I saw it friday with my best friend Greg. I had already read the book, he hadn't. It's in my top three gay movies. I thought it was a lot more intense than say Trick. But it had the same impact as "Johns" and "Mysterious Skin"

Twinprincesses
01-17-2006, 03:53 PM
I saw this on Sunday and absolutly loved it. The last 3 minutes of the movie made me cry so hard!!!! This is at the top of my fav list.

kittymasi
01-17-2006, 08:32 PM
My husband and I just got back from the movies... we both cried like babies. I had read the story, but still cried. We both agreed it was an incredible, beautiful movie, a real landmark in American film making.

Chuck S
01-20-2006, 12:53 PM
I see where Brokeback Mountain was the top box office for Tuesday and Wednesday...quite an accomplishment considering it is on far fewer screens than the competitors. :)

fmelchor88
01-24-2006, 10:51 PM
Just got home from seeing Brokeback Mountain and it was GREAT!! Everyone, please go see this movie.......

Saxton
01-28-2006, 04:42 PM
I finally saw it and it was wonderful! I read the story prior to seeing the movie (thank you SeattleRedBear!) but this one time when I would suggest seeing the movie first and then reading the story. Typically when I read a book and then see the movie version I'm disappointed - not so this time. The movie can stand on it's own. It was a mixed crowd at the theater ... including 2 elderly women who provided comic relief ... "He's a cutie!" (for Jake, which I have to agree), "Where is this?? Montana? Colorado?", "What did he say?", "Is it over now?" (that was about half way through). The constant talking was annoying but on the other hand it was kind of sweet that they were really into it. The ladies seemed to enjoy it and they came with a couple of younger guys that I assume were family. Go see it!

mouseketeer
01-28-2006, 11:40 PM
Saw it...loved it...cried!

SunFloridaDisney
01-31-2006, 07:34 PM
Haven't seen it yet, but it looks like it's been nominated for several Oscars!

sajetto
02-01-2006, 10:40 PM
My DF and I saw it opening night. It was a great movie, very touching and definitely Oscar worthy!! :thumbsup2 :thumbsup2 As they used to say two thumbs up!

Buckleigh
02-02-2006, 01:19 AM
Was anyone a little suprised that Jake G. got the Oscar nom , since Heath is the one they been pushing? Not surprised because of his acting, but most press has been mentioning only Heath when talking about Oscar noms.

Buck

Tony-NJ
02-02-2006, 07:02 AM
Saw it last night - I haven't been to the movies in years. A mixed crowd in a small theatre. We both liked the movie - Chris cried at the end... I'm glad I saw it.

MOMOFMNM
02-02-2006, 05:09 PM
I personally think Heath's performance was the best...

we saw it last night, my sis and law and I...

as for the comment above about someone laughing behind you, can I just say honestly from a Iowa girl who really has had no real lif exposure to the sex scenes in the movie, it is like think about how you act when you are 10 and you see and girl and boy kissing and you laugh and giggle, ya know??? Sometimes we have reactions to things and I do not think it is bad to say you felt uneasy about something and then REALLY go in depth, in your soul as I have been doing since the movie and ask myself "why?" This is how we learn acceptance and love for others...I do not know the right word for how I felt about some scenes but I am pretty sure what I felt was judgemental and I have been trying to work on that a LOT!!! I just have so many unanswered questions about the movie, not about the gay part of the movie but about all of the "hidden deeper secret meanings" that we learn in college lit class...I would love to go over this story with an educated professional and figure it all out...

it was a movie that left us deep in thought...and questioning myself in acceptance and tolerance....for the better

one thing my sil and I discussed was how it seems easier to see a gay woman couple than a gay man couple and how that was not right at all...

see what I mean by questioning??

Viki
02-02-2006, 05:37 PM
I personally think Heath's performance was the best...

we saw it last night, my sis and law and I...

as for the comment above about someone laughing behind you, can I just say honestly from a Iowa girl who really has had no real lif exposure to the sex scenes in the movie, it is like think about how you act when you are 10 and you see and girl and boy kissing and you laugh and giggle, ya know??? Sometimes we have reactions to things and I do not think it is bad to say you felt uneasy about something and then REALLY go in depth, in your soul as I have been doing since the movie and ask myself "why?" This is how we learn acceptance and love for others...I do not know the right word for how I felt about some scenes but I am pretty sure what I felt was judgemental and I have been trying to work on that a LOT!!! I just have so many unanswered questions about the movie, not about the gay part of the movie but about all of the "hidden deeper secret meanings" that we learn in college lit class...I would love to go over this story with an educated professional and figure it all out...

it was a movie that left us deep in thought...and questioning myself in acceptance and tolerance....for the better

one thing my sil and I discussed was how it seems easier to see a gay woman couple than a gay man couple and how that was not right at all...

see what I mean by questioning??

I think your ponderings are honorable. Thank you for wrestling. I think it's what we are all suppossed to do within the context of many issues.

sajetto
02-02-2006, 07:58 PM
I do not know the right word for how I felt about some scenes but I am pretty sure what I felt was judgemental and I have been trying to work on that a LOT!!! I just have so many unanswered questions about the movie, not about the gay part of the movie but about all of the "hidden deeper secret meanings" that we learn in college lit class...I would love to go over this story with an educated professional and figure it all out...

it was a movie that left us deep in thought...and questioning myself in acceptance and tolerance....for the better

one thing my sil and I discussed was how it seems easier to see a gay woman couple than a gay man couple and how that was not right at all...

see what I mean by questioning??

As far as the preformance, I think both guys did a wonderful job! Jake really showed that he had a deep love for Heath's character as Heath also did the same.

I also wonder why it is so much more accepted to see gay women than gay men :confused3


I have the same questions and they are a little hard to deal with. This is the time for anyone who has not seen the movie to stop reading......................... With Jake's father I was a little confused. Did he somehow know that Jake was gay? Is this why he wouldn't let Heath have the ashes? How did the bloody shirt from Brokeback end up at Jake's parents house? Did Heath's daughter at the end of the movie end up finding out he was gay?

THIS IS THE BIG ONE FOR ME......Why oh why did Jake cheat on Heath with another man in Mexico?! I know everyone has needs and all and I know that in a sense they were cheating on each other with women but it just seems different cheating with another man. And my last question, how on earth were they attracted to their wives if they were gay?

I know I seem very ingorant and do not seem to understand this movie like some do but if someone could explain this to me I would really appreciate it

MOMOFMNM
02-02-2006, 08:06 PM
heath says

"I swear Jack..."

at the end...what was he swearing about?????

did Jack's wife have him killed because as his father said he was going to leave with that other guy???? She could not take the shame of being left or married to a gay man????


I think the shirts signify the fact that Ennis can never get close to anyone...and he keeps material items like shirts to have relationships with, just like he kept his dd shirt and jack's shirt...


SO MUCH to think about...

from Heath's perspective HE really makes it seem like he is very in LOVE with Jack, the person, not Jack the man or the gay man, but his soul...but Jack I don't know about...maybe he felt so rejected he went to Mexico and was with others???? trying to replace Heath in some way???

WOW...

and when he told his FIL to sit down...

sajetto
02-02-2006, 08:11 PM
Ennis and Jack confuse me in this. You are right Ennis seems to love Jack dearly (the whole person) Now that I think about it, it does seem like Jack is trying to replace Ennis in some way. I was a little upset about that I just wanted to yell "cant you see the situation Jack!!! can't you just wait for him!"

When Jack told his FIL to sit down that was classic!!! :lmao: That guy really deserved it. Why was he always challenging Jack so much? I never really thought that Jack's wife got him killed. I thought it was b/c Jack went to that other guys cabin to go fishing, assumed he was gay, put the moves on him, and the other guy told his friends and they killed him because of it ( I may be totally wrong though)

sajetto
02-02-2006, 08:13 PM
I know I'm asking too many questions but I also want to know what Ennis meant when he said "I swear Jack."

sotoalf
02-03-2006, 08:03 AM
There is no evidence that Lureen had Jack killed, either in the story or the film.

TuppenceABag
02-03-2006, 09:14 AM
I also want to know what Ennis meant when he said "I swear Jack."

I believe you are taking the words "I swear Jack." in the wrong context. Ennis is not saying "I swear" like in "I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth" or "Do you solemnly swear". It is more like he is meaning "I swear Jack, you really effected me and everything I do." or "I swear if you were here right now, I would never let you go." Or something to that effect. Another way he could have said it and in keeping with the western theme would have been for him to say "I swanny Jack." or "Well I declare, Jack!" ala Scarlett O'Hara to get his point across.

sajetto
02-03-2006, 09:43 AM
Another way he could have said it and in keeping with the western theme would have been for him to say "I swanny Jack." or "Well I declare, Jack!" ala Scarlett O'Hara to get his point across.


Well I swanny!!!! :rotfl2:

Us southrn' folk don't git these har new fangled pictures 'bout fellers in love. We gotta git help from the new generashun ;)

fan of the TTA
02-03-2006, 11:57 AM
it's on my list of films to see.

anything for a laugh! lol!

donald...really
02-03-2006, 12:36 PM
My interpretation to some of the questions:

SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN IT

Q - With Jake's father I was a little confused. Did he somehow know that Jake was gay? Is this why he wouldn't let Heath have the ashes?

A - Yes, this was my interpretation, that Jack's parents knew. That is why the father didn't let Ennis take the ashes, but the mother let him take the shirts.


Q - How did the bloody shirt from Brokeback end up at Jake's parents house?

A - Jack went back to his parent's house after their first summer together on Brokeback and brought the shirts. Ennis mentions at the end of that summer that he can't believe he left his shirt on the mountain. He didn't leave it. Jack took Ennis' shirt and wrapped it in his own shirt, and hung the two shirts together in the closet as a memory of their summer together, so at least a part of them could "be together" forever, even though Jack and Ennis couldn't be together in real life. When Ennis finds the shirts have been hanging in Jack's closet for 20 years he realizes how much he meant to Jack and how much Jack loved him. If you notice, when you see the shirts again hanging in Ennis' closet, he has switched them, so Jack's shirt is inside Ennis', as if Ennis is hugging Jack, trying to protect him.

This also brings up the last line of the movie "Jack, I swear..." I take it to mean "Jack, I swear I will always love you..." or "Jack, I swear I didn't realize until it was too late..." or something along those lines. The beauty of this movie is much of it is open to interpretation, so everyone can fill in the blanks for themselves.

Q - Did Heath's daughter at the end of the movie end up finding out he was gay?

A - I am not sure about this. She might have known it when she told the waitress who was interested in Ennis that he wasn't the marrying kind.


Q - Why oh why did Jake cheat on Heath with another man in Mexico?!

A - Ennis sent word to Jack that his divorce went through. Jack took this to mean that Ennis was ready to make a commitment to him. You could see how happy Jack was when he was driving to see Ennis. When he got there it was clear that even though Ennis was divorced nothing about their relationship had changed. Ennis was not ready to build a life with Jack. And if nothing had changed even though Ennis was divorced, then chances were it would never change. This hit Jack hard. You can see how upset he is when he is driving away. And in his sadness and greif he sought out "companionship". He might have even done it to spite Ennis. You can see when he picks up the prostitute in Mexico there is no emotion in it.


Q- And my last question, how on earth were they attracted to their wives if they were gay?

A - It happens. Especially when you are 19 or 20, as Jack and Ennis were when they first got married. Plus, they felt they had no choice. In that time and place it was expected of you to get married and have a family. As time went on, their love lives with their wives suffered or became non existent. You could see this in the last bedroom scene with Alma and Ennis right before the divorce scene, where Ennis says that he would be happy to leave her alone. And towards the end Jack mentions that his marriage could be telephoned in, meaning there was no intimacy left.

Tony-NJ
02-03-2006, 12:49 PM
OK Just reading this made me cry LOL

Q - How did the bloody shirt from Brokeback end up at Jake's parents house?

A - Jack went back to his parent's house after their first summer together on Brokeback and brought the shirts. Ennis mentions at the end of that summer that he can't believe he left his shirt on the mountain. He didn't leave it. Jack took Ennis' shirt and wrapped it in his own shirt, and hung it in the closet as a memory of their summer together, so at least a part of them could "be together" forever, even though Jack and Ennis couldn't be together in real life. If you notice, when you see the shirts again hanging in Ennis' closet, he has switched them, so Jack's shirt is inside Ennis', as if Ennis is hugging Jack, trying to protect him.

sajetto
02-03-2006, 01:57 PM
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for answering those questions!

I did not notice he had changed the arrangement of the shirts. I really think that is a beautiful way to keep the love alive and I really appreciate you giving light to that fact. IT really makes me want to cry

MOMOFMNM
02-03-2006, 04:24 PM
My interpretation to some of the questions:

SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN IT

Q - With Jake's father I was a little confused. Did he somehow know that Jake was gay? Is this why he wouldn't let Heath have the ashes?

A - Yes, this was my interpretation, that Jack's parents knew. That is why the father didn't let Ennis take the ashes, but the mother let him take the shirts.


Q - How did the bloody shirt from Brokeback end up at Jake's parents house?

A - Jack went back to his parent's house after their first summer together on Brokeback and brought the shirts. Ennis mentions at the end of that summer that he can't believe he left his shirt on the mountain. He didn't leave it. Jack took Ennis' shirt and wrapped it in his own shirt, and hung it in the closet as a memory of their summer together, so at least a part of them could "be together" forever, even though Jack and Ennis couldn't be together in real life. If you notice, when you see the shirts again hanging in Ennis' closet, he has switched them, so Jack's shirt is inside Ennis', as if Ennis is hugging Jack, trying to protect him.


Q - Did Heath's daughter at the end of the movie end up finding out he was gay?

A - I am not sure about this. She might have known it when she told the waitress who was interested in Ennis that he wasn't the marrying kind.


Q - Why oh why did Jake cheat on Heath with another man in Mexico?!

A - Ennis sent word to Jack that his divorce went through. Jack took this to mean that Ennis was ready to make a commitment to him. You could see how happy Jack was when he was driving to see Ennis. When he got there it was clear that even though Ennis was divorced nothing about their relationship had changed. Ennie was not ready to build a life with Jack. And if nothing had changed even though Ennis was divorced, then chances were it would never change. This hit Jack hard, and in his sadness and greif sought out "companionship". He might have even done it to spite Ennis.


Q- And my last question, how on earth were they attracted to their wives if they were gay?

A - It happens. Especially when you are 19 or 20, as Jack and Ennis were when they first got married. As time went on, their love lives with their wives suffered or became non existent. You could see this in scenes with Alma and Ennis, and Jack mentions that his marriage could be telephoned in, or something like that.


as far as the marriage...my thing is, esp Ennis...he was scared to death of his feelings after what his father showed him what had happened to that one gay man that was killed...I think this is why Ennis went ahead and married Alma anyway...to "cover up" his true feelings...however...I do think he did at first in some way love Alma...and I think her seeing them that day caused her to turn away from him and never open up to him and eventually kill the relationship...they as a married couple had a lot to deal with, poverty, loss, small kids...etc...and we really do not know if she had not seen them if she would have divorced him, Laureen and Jack never divorced...I do not necessarily think he just shut her out, I think she was emotionally and spiritually done with him at that moment on the stairs, and even when she tried to tell him she knew several years later, he would not hear her tell it...

and YES I believe Alma Jr knew he was gay and that is why she said what she said to the waitress...remember the girls were in the truck that day that Jack came to see him after the divorce???? I am sure she picked up on it at some point...

as far as evidence about Laureen, no we had no hard evidence but I picked up that she was covering up how Jack really died...of course SOMEONE had to know he got beaten to death and not the story she told Ennis...that is why I asked that

mickeysaver
02-04-2006, 10:08 PM
Ok, I guess mine might be the lone bad review of the bunch. First off, I have to say that I have never seen an Ang Lee film that I enjoyed. So, I was really hoping that all the buzz would save me from a bad movie experience. Well, I was wrong. The scenery was beautiful. By far, this was the best part of the whole movie. The romance that everyone has talked about was just not there for me. I think the most romantic part of the whole movie was the shirt thing. But, as you know that really doesn't come into play until the movie is about over. The movie is painfully slow and the story is full of premise points that are just too weak to be believable. Even in the late 60's/early 70's there is no way that a wife waits until after she is divorced to confront the man that has just totally betrayed her by kissing a man! The whole story could have been edited down to about an hour and told as a short story. The sex scenes were just not that great. I think that QAF depicted loving sex between two men in a much more realistic fashion. I can't tell you how disturbed that I was at the spit in the hand lube that was done in the first sex scene. It was beyond tasteless. Ok, so, I am done griping. The best part of the whole movie experience for me other than beautiful scenery, was the fact that I used gift cards to pay for this.....at least it was free, but I still feel like I paid too much. Maggie

mickeysaver
02-04-2006, 10:12 PM
It was originally published as a 10-page short story in the New Yorker:

Brokeback mountain
Proulx, Annie.

Ok, this validates so many things for me about the film. I knew that they were stretching this way out.....artistic license is not always a good thing. Maggie

simpilotswife
02-04-2006, 10:53 PM
I just got back from seeing the movie and all I can say is Wow. I came away from this movie feeling bereft for Ennis and Jack. Their unhappiness at not being together was palpable. :(

Mykelogan
02-05-2006, 12:01 AM
I just got back from seeing the movie and all I can say is Wow. I came away from this movie feeling bereft for Ennis and Jack. Their unhappiness at not being together was palpable. :(

You stole my words! hehe :) I just saw the movie today too and I was holding myself together pretty well until the final moment when Ennis says "Jack, I swear" (Or something to that effect!) and I lost it. The longing, fear, and passion were very much alive in this film for me. Just skimming this thread has me weepy again... silly I know! Luckily a very sweet Lesbian couple stopped on their way out of the theatre to ask if I was ok. :)

Mike

momsgoofy
02-07-2006, 09:43 PM
Okay, living in corn country it took a while to get Brokeback Mountain to a theater near here, but finally...got to see it on Super Bowl Sunday...much better use of my time than the game...lol

I loved this movie! It was such a wonderful love story of any kind. Granted the author wrote it as a gay relationship, but it could have easily been an interracial couple or the straight couple from different sides of the tracks...the story works for just about any. I didn't cry, but the tears were welling up there at the end...I really didn't expect Jack to die...maybe I'm naive.

It was funny though after reading through the thread I realized that it seems everyone is having the same kind of questions and discussions about the movie. Today when I walked into work another woman had seen it over the weekend and asked many of the ones mentioned here...

Did Jack love Ennis as much as Ennis loved Jack?
Why did Jack go to Mexico and hook up with a prostitute?
Did Jack's wife know anything...really?
What was up with Jack's folks?
Why did Jack and Ennis marry if they were so in love with each other?

Well, IMO..I think they loved each other deeply, but Jack went to Mexico out of need...he was really hurt when Ennis chose to spend the time with his daughters instead of Jack, so he did what lots of scorned lovers do...run to the easiest set of open arms you can find hoping to ease the pain...and it only makes it hurt worse.

I don't think that Jack's wife, Lureen, really knew much of anything about her husband. She seemed so full of herself and not wanting to upset her daddy...despite everything she did in life. The costume, hair and makeup people did a great job of showing the actress through the 20 years...I loved that last scene when she's telling Ennis about Jack's death. Man! That cheap blonde dye job, fake cheezy red nails and lipstick, complete with cracked lipstick and stains on the teeth. In all Lureen's high falooting ways as the sterotypical Texan Daddy's little rich girl, she was all dried up and heartless...as my momma might have said...she looked rode hard and put a way wet. I don't think she realized what Jack was all about till his death because as she's telling Ennis you see her lip quiver when she realized what Brokeback Mountain meant and she shed the tiniest tear.

I think Jack hooked up with the big ranch hand from that party...the one who invited him to the cabin. I think the good ol' boy knew exactly what Jack was about and was looking for a good time. I think someone caught them and did him in...Jack and Ennis, the couple, was never close to home so he was never seen until the ranch hand and when he was someone killed Jack.

I think Jack's parents knew he was gay. His dad mentioned that Jack always talked about bring Ennis to the farm and fixing it up, helping his folks...but never did. Then his dad tells Ennis that not too long ago Jack started to tell them about this ranch hand fella he was gonna bring up from Texas and fix up the farm...again he never did. But, a man of Jack's dad's age would never have approved...it wasn't his way, so he was gonna keep that boy at home finally by burying Jack in the family plot. But Jack's momma knew...and she was okay with it, but would never say it aloud for fear of her husband...she knew what Ennis meant to Jack...you could tell when she placed her hand on his shoulder and told him she'd kept Jack's room the way it was when he was a little boy. It's why she put the shirts in a bag for Ennis...she wanted him to have a little something of Jack's to remember him...they had the ashes and his room.

And why did they marry women? Well, I think Ennis did love Alma...he was engaged to her when he met Jack...and I think he felt obligated to follow through with the marriage despite what happened with Jack that summer. Ennis had seen the harsh reality of their time thanks to his daddy and it stuck in his mind as if it'd happened that day. He told Jack that last time they were together while Jack still dreamed of the utopian society where all is good. I think Ennis would have been fine married to Alma forever had she not seen him and Jack that day. She couldn't live with it...the lie of her marriage, being dirt poor, working to make ends meet while Ennis was constantly swapping jobs. Now, Jack...why did he marry Lureen? I'm suspecting it may have been a shotgun wedding...that Tbird saw some heavy action on their first night and then boom...she's sitting in a bed with a baby. I think that is partly why her daddy didn't like Jake...plus being a 2 bit rodeo man didn't help when it came to his princess.

Well, that is my commentary for the movie...now I'm gonna read the short story.

sotoalf
02-07-2006, 10:04 PM
Okay, living in corn country it took a while to get Brokeback Mountain to a theater near here, but finally...got to see it on Super Bowl Sunday...much better use of my time than the game...lol

I loved this movie! It was such a wonderful love story of any kind. Granted the author wrote it as a gay relationship, but it could have easily been an interracial couple or the straight couple from different sides of the tracks...the story works for just about any. I didn't cry, but the tears were welling up there at the end...I really didn't expect Jack to die...maybe I'm naive.

It was funny though after reading through the thread I realized that it seems everyone is having the same kind of questions and discussions about the movie. Today when I walked into work another woman had seen it over the weekend and asked many of the ones mentioned here...

Did Jack love Ennis as much as Ennis loved Jack?
Why did Jack go to Mexico and hook up with a prostitute?
Did Jack's wife know anything...really?
What was up with Jack's folks?
Why did Jack and Ennis marry if they were so in love with each other?

Well, IMO..I think they loved each other deeply, but Jack went to Mexico out of need...he was really hurt when Ennis chose to spend the time with his daughters instead of Jack, so he did what lots of scorned lovers do...run to the easiest set of open arms you can find hoping to ease the pain...and it only makes it hurt worse.

I don't think that Jack's wife, Lureen, really knew much of anything about her husband. She seemed so full of herself and not wanting to upset her daddy...despite everything she did in life. The costume, hair and makeup people did a great job of showing the actress through the 20 years...I loved that last scene when she's telling Ennis about Jack's death. Man! That cheap blonde dye job, fake cheezy red nails and lipstick, complete with cracked lipstick and stains on the teeth. In all Lureen's high falooting ways as the sterotypical Texan Daddy's little rich girl, she was all dried up and heartless...as my momma might have said...she looked rode hard and put a way wet. I don't think she realized what Jack was all about till his death because as she's telling Ennis you see her lip quiver when she realized what Brokeback Mountain meant and she shed the tiniest tear.

I think Jack hooked up with the big ranch hand from that party...the one who invited him to the cabin. I think the good ol' boy knew exactly what Jack was about and was looking for a good time. I think someone caught them and did him in...Jack and Ennis, the couple, was never close to home so he was never seen until the ranch hand and when he was someone killed Jack.

I think Jack's parents knew he was gay. His dad mentioned that Jack always talked about bring Ennis to the farm and fixing it up, helping his folks...but never did. Then his dad tells Ennis that not too long ago Jack started to tell them about this ranch hand fella he was gonna bring up from Texas and fix up the farm...again he never did. But, a man of Jack's dad's age would never have approved...it wasn't his way, so he was gonna keep that boy at home finally by burying Jack in the family plot. But Jack's momma knew...and she was okay with it, but would never say it aloud for fear of her husband...she knew what Ennis meant to Jack...you could tell when she placed her hand on his shoulder and told him she'd kept Jack's room the way it was when he was a little boy. It's why she put the shirts in a bag for Ennis...she wanted him to have a little something of Jack's to remember him...they had the ashes and his room.

And why did they marry women? Well, I think Ennis did love Alma...he was engaged to her when he met Jack...and I think he felt obligated to follow through with the marriage despite what happened with Jack that summer. Ennis had seen the harsh reality of their time thanks to his daddy and it stuck in his mind as if it'd happened that day. He told Jack that last time they were together while Jack still dreamed of the utopian society where all is good. I think Ennis would have been fine married to Alma forever had she not seen him and Jack that day. She couldn't live with it...the lie of her marriage, being dirt poor, working to make ends meet while Ennis was constantly swapping jobs. Now, Jack...why did he marry Lureen? I'm suspecting it may have been a shotgun wedding...that Tbird saw some heavy action on their first night and then boom...she's sitting in a bed with a baby. I think that is partly why her daddy didn't like Jake...plus being a 2 bit rodeo man didn't help when it came to his princess.

Well, that is my commentary for the movie...now I'm gonna read the short story.

Sounds about right. Wait till you read the story: it's even more of a heartbreaker.

Spaceship Earthfan
02-07-2006, 10:36 PM
Can the short story be read anywhere online?

DVCajun
02-08-2006, 08:57 AM
Can the short story be read anywhere online?

Yes: http://lamusclepower.tribe.net/thread/45024476-10bb-4e43-b09d-5e95dce67ef4

Honestly, could this story be any more depressing? :guilty: I can get that feeling from watching the news, I don't need it in my entertainment too.

SeattleRedBear
02-08-2006, 10:42 AM
Honestly, could this story be any more depressing? :guilty: I can get that feeling from watching the news, I don't need it in my entertainment too.
This is exactly the reason Husbear will never go to see it. Having been raised Catholic (he has the indelible mark on his soul but luckily has grown past the homophobic interpretation of his faith) and through a marriage with two children, he just doesn't want to revisit the pain and repression.

Spaceship Earthfan
02-08-2006, 11:52 AM
Yes: http://lamusclepower.tribe.net/thread/45024476-10bb-4e43-b09d-5e95dce67ef4

Thanks :)

DVCajun
02-08-2006, 06:18 PM
And another thing! Why didn't he avenge his lover's death if he knew what happened?? I think dear old dad needed a visit from the tire iron fairy!

DVCajun
02-08-2006, 06:19 PM
"Tire Iron Fairy." teehee ;)

momsgoofy
02-10-2006, 04:42 PM
And another thing! Why didn't he avenge his lover's death if he knew what happened?? I think dear old dad needed a visit from the tire iron fairy!

If you mean Ennis...why he didn't avenge Jack's death? Well, I don't think he knew (or even thought) it was Jack's FIL (pesonally I'm still not sure if it was the FIL or just some good ol' boys who didn't care for Jack's ways) that was responsible for the death and besides Ennis was a level headed man...he knew how things were and stirring up the stink wasn't the best thing...he could end up like Jack. Ennis knew that society wasn't ready for a gay relationship...heck! Our society is still living in the backwoods and doesn't want to accept it...granted things are better than they were, but it's not any where near where it should be!

sotoalf
02-10-2006, 06:39 PM
And another thing! Why didn't he avenge his lover's death if he knew what happened?? I think dear old dad needed a visit from the tire iron fairy!

He can only avenge his death if he knows and we know for sure that Jack was killed, but he doesn't, and we don't.

Viki
02-10-2006, 07:19 PM
He can only avenge his death if he knows and we know for sure that Jack was killed, but he doesn't, and we don't.

This is the way I took it. What I saw was a visual possibility simultaneous with an oral possibility. Who knows which, if either, was actual.

DVCajun
02-10-2006, 09:51 PM
Well, here's what the short story says:

The old man spoke angrily. “I can’t get no help out here. Jack used a say, ‘Ennis del Mar,’ he used a say, ‘I’m goin a bring him up here one a these days and we’ll lick this damn ranch into shape.’ He had some half-baked idea the two a you was goin a move up here, build a log cabin, and help me run this ranch and bring it up. Then this spring he’s got another one’s goin a come up here with him and build a place and help run the ranch, some ranch neighbor a his from down in Texas. He’s goin a split up with his wife and come back here. So he says. But like most a Jack’s ideas it never come to pass.”

So now he knew it had been the tire iron. He stood up, said you bet he’d like to see Jack’s room, recalled one of Jack’s stories about this old man.

Sounds like he had more than a good idea to me. But I suppose it's open to interpretation. Damn unsatisfying ending.

momsgoofy
02-12-2006, 10:10 AM
Well, here's what the short story says:



Sounds like he had more than a good idea to me. But I suppose it's open to interpretation. Damn unsatisfying ending.


Maybe, both the author and the screenwriter wanted to leave it open for just this reason...we're all speculating and talking about it...encourages the reader and the movie watcher to engage in conversation about the whole idea of killing a human being for just being who there are...not a very good reason is it?

Saxton
02-14-2006, 06:26 PM
Did anyone see this article on msn.com?

http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/5331874

The headline caught my eye. Gonzaga sports fans are chanting "Brokeback Mountain" at opposing players in an attempt to suggest that they are gay. All I can think about is the poor kids who are still questioning or too afraid to come out sitting at a game and hearing that.

What we view as a sensitive movie those sports fans view as an insult.

tmorse65
02-16-2006, 01:55 AM
I loved this film. Saw it twice. Love the soundtrack. Bought the poster, soundtrack, short story and screenplay and plan on buying the dvd when it comes out.
Just a few comments. I think everyone knew Ennis and Jack were gay, including the kids. I think Jack was killed like Ennis feared simply by the way Jacks' wife described his "accidental death". Plus Anne Hathaway said on Oprah that she thought it was pretty obvious how he died.
A lot of people have said they thought the movie was too slow, but I think it was the director trying to show the reality of their kiind of life. Things can move pretty slow out in the rural west.
The article this month in the Advocate about the film was very good reading.
Jake on Oprah said they had to do the kiss scene about 13 times to get it right. I'd give anything to have been a body double for either actor. Course they'd have to really do some major computer photo editing. :teeth:

Buckleigh
02-17-2006, 07:09 PM
Jake on Oprah said they had to do the kiss scene about 13 times to get it right. I'd give anything to have been a body double for either actor. Course they'd have to really do some major computer photo editing. :teeth:

Sign me up to be the stand in for Heath during those scenes....WOOF!

Buckleigh

InsolentDog
02-19-2006, 03:32 AM
I saw it and it was just another love story. Acting was good as was the scenery. Why didn't they really spice it up and add the sheep or the horse?- or would that be to racy for the open minded and prejudiced. After all, everybody loves Bambi ! ;-)

PennyW
02-20-2006, 08:35 AM
We saw it yesterday and absolutely loved it. Tragic story, but so well acted with beautiful scenery and music.

majortom
03-02-2006, 09:42 AM
Sounds like he had more than a good idea to me. But I suppose it's open to interpretation. Damn unsatisfying ending.

I did not feel that Jack had been killed, but that it was all Enis's imagination. Even her story makes me think that. I felt that it was Enis's way of justifying never acting on his love for Jack. In other words he thought to himself: "Jack must have been killed and if I had moved here with him, I would have been killed as well."

I saw it at the Arclight in LA. Midnight show after it had moved from 7 screens nationwide, to 20 something. It was the first show that was not sold out.

When straight friends ask me if they should see it, I ask if they liked Bridges of Madison County, as I think it is basically that film with a gay twist.

I enjoyed it. I loved the cinematography. I thought that both actors did a great job, but I think that both Mrs. Henderson Presents and Crash are better films. None the less, there are many reasons I hope it wins.

/carmi

oelpa
03-11-2006, 11:06 AM
The film started here in Europe on Thurday i saw it yersterday. I had to cry for the last 30 min, so embarrassing. It is really a great film, great acting Heath Ledger and Gyllenhall were great. When they first met again after for years and they hugged each other and started kissing in front of enis house, you really could feel what was happening between them and how much they missed each other. Well and then when enis divorced and jack drove all the way to meet him and how happy he was and then the dissapointment..... really great film...... can't get i out of my head.

SeattleRedBear
03-11-2006, 11:25 AM
The film started here in Europe on Thurday i saw it yersterday. I had to cry for the last 30 min, so embarrassing. It is really a great film, great acting Heath Ledger and Gyllenhall were great. When they first met again after for years and they hugged each other and started kissing in front of enis house, you really could feel what was happening between them and how much they missed each other. Well and then when enis divorced and jack drove all the way to meet him and how happy he was and then the dissapointment..... really great film...... can't get i out of my head.
Good to see that it's in European release. I'm curious whether there will be backlash against the film as there has been in the U.S. Since we know that much of Europe is more enlightened in the areas of civil rights.

oelpa
03-11-2006, 03:54 PM
Well so far there has been nothing negative about it. Everybody is raving about the film at least here in Vienna. All the cinemas are sold out, of course there always is the occasional right wing religious a....h who wants to tell us that this kind of movies (and of course this lifestyle) are wrong but who cares. Anyhow i loved the movie even so my bf and i a are still really down but at least it's the weekend and we can just hang around......

tom