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AllyGirlie
12-12-2005, 04:53 PM
No offense to anyone, but I was wondering if anybody else has been following the so called "War on Christmas." When the whole thing first started I could understand, saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" and acknowleding other religions during the holiday season, but now it is becoming ridiculous in my opinion. There's a school in Texas not allowing it's students to wear red or green during the holiday season, protests over nativity scenes, and another school changing the words of the song Silent Night to Cold Night (making it about the weather). It seems crazy to me that people are trying so hard not to offend a small portion of the population that instead they are compromising the feelings of the majority of the population. Don't get me wrong, this small portion is important, afterall it makes the United States what it is, but lets face it, stores are not making most of their money on Kwanzaa or Chanukah. Am I way off base here or does anyone feel as I do? :confused3

TheBellhop
12-12-2005, 05:04 PM
It really makes me angry when people go so far as to change the words to songs, or not allow children to wear holiday colors.

However, I don't understand why some people can't say, "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas" because at the same time as Christians, many people are celebrating, or not celebrating, certain events.

The Dark Dancer
12-12-2005, 05:07 PM
It really makes me angry when people go so far as to change the words to songs, or not allow children to wear holiday colors.

However, I don't understand why some people can't say, "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas" because at the same time as Christians, many people are celebrating, or not celebrating, certain events.


Same here! ::yes::

beachbaby91
12-12-2005, 05:49 PM
I think it's very pathetic you're not allowed to wear red and green! I understand how people with other religions could feel, but that's outrageous. Getting to change song lyrics, banning clothing colors? It ruins the joy of the holiday. I'm against it, I think it's unfair. You should control your own self and pick if you want to celebrate the holiday or not, not your school district, state, or whoever.

MuNkY
12-12-2005, 07:15 PM
I think it's very pathetic you're not allowed to wear red and green! I understand how people with other religions could feel, but that's outrageous. Getting to change song lyrics, banning clothing colors? It ruins the joy of the holiday. I'm against it, I think it's unfair. You should control your own self and pick if you want to celebrate the holiday or not, not your school district, state, or whoever.
I think the banning the red and green during the holidays is stupid. I'm wearing a red hockey jersey right now, that has nothing to do with christmas, and they are trying to tell me that I wouldn't be able to wear it because its red?

I could go so many ways with this, but I'm not. I think that they should just say "merry christmas". I don't see what's wrong with happy holidays, but that is taking it a little far.

kidpluto
12-12-2005, 07:32 PM
i think it is stupid..like especial with the wearing of the colors like come'on..and we were talking bout this in school with one of my teachers cause i go to a catholic school and we have a priest who is very mad about this but anyway we were in a class and my teacher made a very good point..she said that her friend who celebrates Chanukah told her that if someone came up to her and said Merry Christmas she wouldnt take offense but instead would take it as if they were wishing them well and i agree with her 100%..like i celebrate Christmas and if someone came up to me and was like Happy Kwanzaa! i would feel as if they were wishin me luck and well wishing me a good holiday in watever i celebrate..like wat is next you cant sell Christmas trees or something like i think that this is just crazy and sry if i rambled but like to me they are taking the special part about the holidays away from everyone like i dont mind the Happy Holidays but i dont think that is should be forced on people and like to me it feels as if they are only doing this to Christmas and they are taking people's rights away in a sense like soon it will be like Happy Shopping Season! idk but i just think it is so stupid and people need to open their eyes and see what really needs to be changed instead of worring about what the man says to me at the check out counter like get real !

(sorry if i offended anyone...i just wanted to let that out and this is just my opinion :earsboy: )

MuNkY
12-12-2005, 08:04 PM
i think it is stupid..like especial with the wearing of the colors like come'on..and we were talking bout this in school with one of my teachers cause i go to a catholic school and we have a priest who is very mad about this but anyway we were in a class and my teacher made a very good point..she said that her friend who celebrates Chanukah told her that if someone came up to her and said Merry Christmas she wouldnt take offense but instead would take it as if they were wishing them well and i agree with her 100%..like i celebrate Christmas and if someone came up to me and was like Happy Kwanzaa! i would feel as if they were wishin me luck and well wishing me a good holiday in watever i celebrate..like wat is next you cant sell Christmas trees or something like i think that this is just crazy and sry if i rambled but like to me they are taking the special part about the holidays away from everyone like i dont mind the Happy Holidays but i dont think that is should be forced on people and like to me it feels as if they are only doing this to Christmas and they are taking people's rights away in a sense like soon it will be like Happy Shopping Season! idk but i just think it is so stupid and people need to open their eyes and see what really needs to be changed instead of worring about what the man says to me at the check out counter like get real !

(sorry if i offended anyone...i just wanted to let that out and this is just my opinion :earsboy: )
I heard someone refer to a christmas tree as a "Holiday Tree". That kind of gets under my skin. What other holiday uses a tree?

2HOT2touch
12-12-2005, 08:36 PM
Well I go to a very diverse private school. So we have people from around everywhere, and to tell you the truth most people do celebrate Christams even if they are a different religon. We have a lot of Jewish people in our school and yes we have a christmas tree up but we also have a manora like right in front of it. And our school lets the Jewish population in our school, celebrate their extra holidays. So If they aren't going to let you celebrate Christmas then they shouldnt let you celebrate Hanaka(SP?) or anything else either. Or we could just be like Seth Cohens from the OC and make up a new holiday like Chrismaka!!!!

AllyGirlie
12-12-2005, 08:39 PM
I don't know, I just think it's crazy..Bottom line: You can't take Christ out of Christmas

disneygalsdd
12-13-2005, 10:17 AM
If I was Jewish or African-American I dont think I would have any problem singing christmas songs or seeing nativity scenes or red and green clothes.(which is insane about the clothes thing) I sing hanuaka(sry i cant spell) song all though the holidays at school and never ever think anything of it in a bad way!It really burns me up in side that people in this country can start a "war on christmas"when this is supposed to be a happy carefree time of the year! :rolleyes2

Baby Girl
12-13-2005, 11:07 AM
I think it is so stupid that they can't wear certain things. I watched the food network and they said " Happy Hanaku and Kwanaza(SP?)" but they didn't even say Merry Christmas.If they won't allow u to say Merry Christmas u should be allowed to say Happy Hanuka or Kwanaza.Sorry i can't spell.But these people are crazy.I think it all really comes down to what religions school should teach.The schools have only been teach certain religions but if they want to be fair they should teach all the religions so the students can decide what they believe.Christ is the reason for the season!

soccercruiser87
12-13-2005, 01:51 PM
the whole thing about not being able to wear red and green is beyond ridiculous and its just..not right..its like saying you cant wear orange and black for halloween or blue/red/white for the 4th of july, etc.. Also one thing that annoys me and gets me mad is when i see people say "X-Mas" instead of "Christmas". Christmas isnt that long of a word, how much longer would it take for someone to write "Christ" instead of "X". People need to know the real meaning of Christmas and its not just for presents and such. Christ is deffinetly the reason for the whole Christmas season.

Horizons16
12-13-2005, 02:18 PM
Merry Christmas...

thats all I need to say.

Maleficent909TL
12-13-2005, 02:32 PM
I think the whole thing's totally ridiculous. We did a journal on this today. It doesn't bother me that other people are saying "Happy Holidays", but it shouldn't be forced upon them. I agree with those who said that when someone says "merry Christmas" and their not Christians, then they shouldn't-and probably aren't-offended by it. And not wearing red or green? That's just plain mental. "Holiday trees" sounds really stupid; I've heard it a few times. If someone says "Merry..." whatever, and it doesn't go with your religion, you shouldn't take it offensively. It's like their wishing you well. They wouldn't say that to you if they were hoping you'd fall off a roof or something over the holidays, they're just being nice.

PG Sweetie
12-13-2005, 04:02 PM
the whole thing about not being able to wear red and green is beyond ridiculous and its just..not right..its like saying you cant wear orange and black for halloween or blue/red/white for the 4th of july, etc.. Also one thing that annoys me and gets me mad is when i see people say "X-Mas" instead of "Christmas". Christmas isnt that long of a word, how much longer would it take for someone to write "Christ" instead of "X". People need to know the real meaning of Christmas and its not just for presents and such. Christ is deffinetly the reason for the whole Christmas season.

Very well said Travis. While I sometimes say X-mas it's not often. But........


MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!!!!!!

ann-e-mator
12-13-2005, 04:37 PM
I agree that it is ridiculous. I mean NO OFFENSE to anyone, but like, if they are going to do this, why not do it to all other holidays too? Why just Christmas?! And what next?? No Christmas trees? It's SOOOOOOO ridiculous!!! Just let everyone celebrate what they want to celebrate and leave it alone like they used to. Everything was fine. More people are going to be angry this way.

BandGeek911
12-13-2005, 05:03 PM
I agree that it is ridiculous. I mean NO OFFENSE to anyone, but like, if they are going to do this, why not do it to all other holidays too? Why just Christmas?! And what next?? No Christmas trees? It's SOOOOOOO ridiculous!!! Just let everyone celebrate what they want to celebrate and leave it alone like they used to. Everything was fine. More people are going to be angry this way.


Actually, on the radio, I heard that one city renamed the christmas tree the "holiday tree":rolleyes: This all is so stupid! Why are they ruining the fun for the rest of us?

My mom is the music teacher, and at the end of the holiday concert she sad "Merry Christmas!" and everyone in the audience was like "OMG did she say...chri...chri...CHRISTMAS!!!! omg omg!" It was unbearable! We were surprised that she still hd her job at the audience's reaction. Some people are way too sensitive on this subject. I just think its all stupid lol.

StephaBabe50
12-13-2005, 05:17 PM
I really don't understand why people think it offends other people if we say "Merry Christmas". If you think about it, for those of you who celebrate Christmas, do you get offended when you hear people say "Happy Haunaka (sp??) " ? I know I don't. I think that it is crazy to change words to songs and not let people where red and green.
Well anyway:

Happy Holidays Everyone!! ;) :teeth:

ann-e-mator
12-13-2005, 08:23 PM
I agree. I mean. To each his own and let the world go about the way it is!!! Geesh!

beachbaby91
12-13-2005, 08:30 PM
Yeah, lets all go and decorate our holiday trees, now :rolleyes2. Honestly that's when it gets too far. Most likely the people who buy the Christmas tree celebrate Christmas. This is just getting way out of hand, honestly. No person who does not celebrate Christmas most likely will not place a Christmas Tree in their home. Each religion has their own thing. It's like changing the Menora's (sp?) name to something just because it offends some people. That's taking away people's right to celebrate their own religion and what they believe in. Sheesh, holiday tree...

ann-e-mator
12-13-2005, 08:41 PM
If the Christmas tree has to be a "holiday" tree... why doesnt the Menora (pardon my spelling if it's wrong) have to become the "holiday candles" ??? I dont think its fair.

AllyGirlie
12-13-2005, 08:44 PM
Exactly, I don't understand why Christmas is being criticized so much when all these other religions go on without any comment.

Maleficent909TL
12-14-2005, 02:27 PM
Why make a big deal out of it all of a sudden, anyway? Years ago, they didn't have this problem. Heck, they didn't have this problem last year! It's just getting to be totally ridiculous...!

Ashes8380
12-14-2005, 03:27 PM
Christmas gets these types of responses cause it's treated like a national holiday. While the majority of America may be Christian, we're still a secular nation. If I were Jewish, I might be frustrated by having Christmas off but having to work over Hanukkah. The American way of life is not very easy for those of other faiths. I see nothing wrong with generic holiday greetings, especially in public places. Wearing certain colors, yes that is ridiculous, because some people just plain like the color red. But I'm sorry, Christmas, along with all other religious holidays, just doesn't belong in our schools. It's something to celebrate at home or in your place of worship. It's a personal choice and belief system that just doesn't have much place in the public sector. For example, put up a nativity scene on your lawn, but not in the public park. This is just a guess, but something tells me if that "holiday tree" was replaced with a menorah, lots of people would be not so happy about it...

but what do I know? I'm just an athiest! :rotfl2:

U Just Got PUNKD
12-14-2005, 04:00 PM
the whole thing about not being able to wear red and green is beyond ridiculous and its just..not right..its like saying you cant wear orange and black for halloween or blue/red/white for the 4th of july, etc.. Also one thing that annoys me and gets me mad is when i see people say "X-Mas" instead of "Christmas". Christmas isnt that long of a word, how much longer would it take for someone to write "Christ" instead of "X". People need to know the real meaning of Christmas and its not just for presents and such. Christ is deffinetly the reason for the whole Christmas season.

About the X-mas thing get's me VERY mad! ONe time my dad pack up some Christmas stuff and he wrote X-mas instead of Christmas and I totally freaked out on him and made him change it so yea..

Sparx
12-14-2005, 05:37 PM
the whole thing about not being able to wear red and green is beyond ridiculous and its just..not right..its like saying you cant wear orange and black for halloween or blue/red/white for the 4th of july, etc.. Also one thing that annoys me and gets me mad is when i see people say "X-Mas" instead of "Christmas". Christmas isnt that long of a word, how much longer would it take for someone to write "Christ" instead of "X". People need to know the real meaning of Christmas and its not just for presents and such. Christ is deffinetly the reason for the whole Christmas season.
Xmas means Christmas. In the greek alphabet Chi (begining syllable of christmas) is X so X became a symbol of christ's name. Xmas is the same thing as Christmas.

disneyangel7488
12-14-2005, 06:02 PM
What happened to the first amendment? Religious freedom and freedom of speech should not become things of the past. Our country was created due to groups of people wanting to do whatever they want and worship whomever they want. I agree with the whole "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" thing, but going as far as banning red and green clothing is insane. And the whole thing with changing the words to a traditional Christmas song, especially one that is religious, is just wrong. We should all respect the traditions and beliefs of other religions. I do think that Christmas is too publicized, but they should not take away from it. The same should go for all the other religions out there.

Mickeysooner
12-16-2005, 09:58 AM
My daughter calls the whole season "Christmahanukwanzakah". Everyone laughs when they hear it.

You can't change the fact that Christmas was the season that started them all. :(

Ashes8380
12-16-2005, 03:04 PM
My daughter calls the whole season "Christmahanukwanzakah". Everyone laughs when they hear it.

You can't change the fact that Christmas was the season that started them all. :(

I can't believe you really think that Christmas started all these other holidays! Do you really think that things such as Hanukkah and Ramadan were started in attempt to make up for lack of Christmas?

We have guaranteed religious freedom in the United States. That means that you have the freedom to celebrate whatever holiday you like. However, that also means that others should not have to have other religions forced upon them, especially in the public sector.

Now Disney is a private company, so they can say whatever they want. However, I think it's great that they choose Happy Holidays over Merry Christmas. It includes everyone! I still can not see why being inclusive is a bad thing! And if you're so religious that an omission of Christmas offends you, then wouldn't you be looking for confirmation and celebration of your faith in a church, rather than in an amusement park?

ann-e-mator
12-16-2005, 03:07 PM
I actually agree with you Ashes. Jews were around before Christians and Catholics. You can't say that Christmas was THE holiday. I am christian, and I do celebrate Christmas, but I still respect all the other holidays and to me it doesn't matter who celebrates what or which one came first, just as long as everyone gets the freedom to celebrate what they want.

Military Fanatic
12-16-2005, 07:31 PM
...Some people are way too sensitive on this subject. I just think its all stupid lol.


i completely agree. and the media playing to a very few peoples taking offense is just going to inflame the situation more! Its almost like the media is trying to get christmas banned! :mad: :confused3

Military Fanatic
12-16-2005, 07:34 PM
[QUOTE=Ashes8380]...But I'm sorry, Christmas, along with all other religious holidays, just doesn't belong in our schools. QUOTE]
i agree with everything you said but the above quote.
its seems impossible to remove christianity from school, so why not add all other religions in that area?

Ashes8380
12-16-2005, 08:02 PM
Well, I guess I need to explain myself. I have no problem with religion being taught in a historical and fact based context in schools. For example, in Global studies in high school I was required to learn about Christianity, Judaism, Daoism, Islam, Buddhism, etc..... But it was in a historical context, and obviously religion has had a huge impact on the historical development of our world.

However, I still don't agree with teaching it as a moral guide to life. I do not think a student should go into school and have to sing "Silent Night" for religious purposes. No, I don't think they should change the words either. The song should just be left out of school if it's functioning in a religious way. This is something I have to grapple with every day as a music teacher. As many of you might know, all of the standard classical music that is taught Bach, Beethoven, etc...) all has its roots in Roman Catholic church music. Therefore, it's hard to teach music history or represent music from various historical periods without using sacred music. I do think it's okay to use medieval church music to illustrate various musicial principles. However, it is never okay to use it to teach morals, personal beliefs, etc... This is a touchy subject with many people, and you can bet if I use a Christianity based song in my classroom, that I make sure to use traditional music from other faiths, locations, and religions of the world as well. However, it is all done in a secular light. The lyrics are ignored as the musical techniques are what is being taught, not the meaning of the words. If I can find a secular alternative to teach what I want to teach, I always do so.

Yes, it's complicated. But I just don't think that students should be taught religion in a non-fact based context in public schools. If you would like that to be taught, you can choose to either homeschool or send your child to private schools. But I do agree that banning Christmas but allowing Hanukkah is pointless, it defeats the entire purpose.

holy cow long post. I guess this is just something I think about a lot due to the nature of what I teach. Holiday concerts anyone? Yeah, it can get REALLY messy, but I try my best, and know a lot of others do too.

ann-e-mator
12-16-2005, 08:47 PM
I totally agree with you on that. Religion can be educational. In 11th grade I took a Comparative Religion course as my history credit. We learned about I'd say at least 12 or 13 different religions. That kind of stuff is ok. But anything pressing religion on a person or group I dont believe is fair.