Oohh, can we have a Nikon D70(S) thread???

[Muushka]

I am about to buy a new lens for this camera. We got the 18-70mm that came with it, but the more I read about the Nikkor 50mm f1.8, the more it appeals to me. Smaller, able to take low-lighting shots-who could ask for anything more?? Oh yes, the price! $105.00! I will buy it before we go to WDW this December to get used to it. Anyone got any opinions on this lens?

And while we are at it. We are going to get a flash also. Looking at the SB-600 (mainly because the price is so much less than the SB-800). Just wondering anyone's opinion of these 2 flashes. Thanks. Many more questions to follow........Thanks! Barb

Sorry, double posted this thread......

[Nik's Mom]

Count me in on this thread! I've had my d70 for a little over a year now. Love it, but still alot to learn! I'm so happy they added this board! :cool1:

[JudithM]

Save your pennies & get the 50mm f/1.4 D/AF. Nikon has made this lens for many years & it is really great. I have the prong mount, manual focus version on my old Nikkormat which takes great pictures. Remember because of the focal length factor on the D70, this lens will behave like a 75mm lens on a film camera.

You might also want to consider the 24-120mm vibartion reduction lens (VR). We just used it on our WDW vacation earlier this month - great photos withour a tripod!

Beauregard

[WebmasterAlex]

Can us D50 owners join in too?

I just switched from my 35mm SLR but I always had a fast 50mm for low light stuff, a 1.4 usually. One thing to remember is that a 50mm when used on a digital camera is the same as a 75 on a 35mm camera.

[LindaBabe]

I would LOVE to have a D70. So while I can't comment, I certainly will read with interest.

[Muushka]

Can us D50 owners join in too?

Of course!! The more the merrier!

I need all the help I can get, believe me.

So, Beauregard, a 50mm 1.4 lens is the way to go huh? I will look into that. With that lower aperature, even lower light, right?? Ouch. That lens is 3 times as much as the f1.8! Hmmm, something to consider. Thanks

So, Nik's Mom. Is Nik the camera?? :banana: Anything to share to minimize my learning curve?

[WebmasterAlex]

It's a trade off Muushka, like all lens decisions it is affected by how you use your camera. If you need really low light capability the 1.4 is definitely the way to go, it's about the fastest thing out there. If absolute low light capability is not as important the 1.8 will get you pretty far. The 24-120mm VR lens is also interesting (although WAY more money) while not as fast as the first two lens's you can hand hold with a MUCH longer shutter time and get away with it. If your subject is moving, though it will blur.
When I was shooting film I always had a 1.4 and used it a lot. With digital you also have the option of setting your ISO rating higher, increasing noise but the D90 or D50 are fairly good at not increasing it too much

[Muushka]

Thanks WM Alex. I talked about it with my husband and we decided to just get the 1.8. We take low level primarily, but it's purely for fun, no pro stuff involved. Can't justify that price tag. 20,000 pennies! That probably makes the 24-120mm VR lens totally out of the question!

Now, about those flashes..... SB600 vs SB800. Any opinions on them??
Do you all think that the flash that comes with the camera is enough (I have yet to see a pop-up perform well, but just collecting opinions here), or did all you D-SLR users supplement it? Is the SB800 worth the extra 20,000 or so pennies?? Thank you. Barb

[landmark]

Thanks WM Alex. I talked about it with my husband and we decided to just get the 1.8. We take low level primarily, but it's purely for fun, no pro stuff involved. Can't justify that price tag. 20,000 pennies! That probably makes the 24-120mm VR lens totally out of the question!

Now, about those flashes..... SB600 vs SB800. Any opinions on them??
Do you all think that the flash that comes with the camera is enough (I have yet to see a pop-up perform well, but just collecting opinions here), or did all you D-SLR users supplement it? Is the SB800 worth the extra 20,000 or so pennies?? Thank you. Barb

Another D70 owner here :wave2:

I have the SB800. I can't comment on the SB600 my DH went ahead and got me the 800 for my birthday. I did find from playing around in the house that the pop up flash didn't get me the quality that I was looking for. My challenge is low light photography.. this is one of the main reasons for purchasing this camera to have more flexibility in features.

I also have the AF NIKKOR 50mm 1.8 and have to say that I've gotten some great shots with it. Also got some good shots from shows (no flash of course) that I'd never have gotten with my Olympus point and shoot.

I also have the AF-S NIKKOR 24-120MM 3.5-5.6 VR lens (Have you been in my camera bag??? :rotfl2: ) LOVE this lens. Used it much at AK. Course the kit lens got alot of miles as well. That being said I guess I should get busy going through pictures and posting some.


I also need to start getting "The Baby" ready for the surprise Nov/Dec trip coming up soon!

[Muushka]

Thanks Landmark, for the info. So, do you love the 800? So glad you got it? Do you pretty much use it whenever you need a flash, or just in certain situations? I am happy to hear you are happy with your 1.8. As soon as Wolf Camera gives us our $50 gift certificate, we will get that puppy!

So, is "the baby" you are getting ready for your Dec trip human or machine???

:wave:

[landmark]

Thanks Landmark, for the info. So, do you love the 800? So glad you got it? Do you pretty much use it whenever you need a flash, or just in certain situations? I am happy to hear you are happy with your 1.8. As soon as Wolf Camera gives us our $50 gift certificate, we will get that puppy!

So, is "the baby" you are getting ready for your Dec trip human or machine???

:wave:

"The baby" is the D70 :goodvibes I've even been known to strap the camera bag in the seatbelt. :blush:

I do like the 800. I use it as a fill flash quite a bit. It also comes with a diffuser that I've used quite a bit with character photos. It's worked great for some close up animal work, inside, and outside for fill in purposes. I will say though that I'm not a professional and am still on a huge learning curve.

For some reason I think there is even a Nikon rebate on it right now... I remember getting an email from them not too long ago listing some rebates and I usually see if there is a lens that I may want to grab. I know that my mother is also interested in getting a D70 or D50 and so I followed to link to see what was available. Definitly work checking into.

[Muushka]

Ah, I suspected that baby wasn't human! Girl after my own heart!

Thank you for the flash information. Very helpful. I will look and see about those rebates. Gotta love 'em!

[JudithM]

The 50mm f/1.4 lens is nice to have. This was considered the normal lens on a 35 mm camera, so every company made one. Being a fixed focal length, this was a lens that was relatively easy to combine high sensitivity & excellent image quality. On the D70 this will give a slight telephoto effect, but you retain the great low light sensitivity. Compared to the 24-120mm VR lens, the f/1.4 is 3 whole stops faster. This means for any given light you can shoot at ISO 200 with the f/1.4 for what would require ISO 1600 using the 24-120mm lens.

I use the sb800. It is powerful & comes with color gels, so you can match the flash to the existing lighting in a room. Great for doing fill lighting in a home or office. On the sb800 the flash will tilt & swivel. I don't know if that happens with the sb600.

[Muushka]

Oh boy. Looks like everyone so far is using the SB800.
I need to do more homework I guess.

Thanks all! I love this new board!! :love:

[Geoff_M]

I have a D70 from one of the first lots of units that hit the shores after it was released. I also own a D1, and D2h. The D70 is mainly used for weddings and as a backup to my D2h. It's great camera.

As for the 1.4 vs. the 1.8... both are great lenses. Some even think that the 1.8 is a tad sharper than the 1.4. There's a 1/2 stop light difference between the two 50mm's, so unless you think you're likely to need that 1/2 stop a lot or don't care about the price, go with the 1.8.

The SB-600 vs. SB-800. I have the 800. IIRC, the name differences are I THINK the guide number is a bit higher for the 800, it will support wireless operation, and offer both D-TTL and iTTL modes. I need all the light I can get at times, like the possibility of wireless operation, and like the fact that it'll work with my D1 if I need it.

On a general D70 subject, if you have a D70 that was purchased within a few months of its release, your model may develop "BGLOD" syndrome. This stands for "Blinking Green Light of Death". Basically, the green CF card activity light blinks constantly, the LCD is blank, and the camera is a brick. This is due to a metering component that was re-engineered by Nikon after the camera's release. If you have an early unit, expect it to happen. The good news is that Nikon has announced that they will fix the cameras with this problem for free... even after the warranty expires. See: http://www.robgalbraith.com/public_files/D2H_D70_N55_Service_Advisory.pdf

[landmark]

On a general D70 subject, if you have a D70 that was purchased within a few months of its release, your model may develop "BGLOD" syndrome. This stands for "Blinking Green Light of Death". Basically, the green CF card activity light blinks constantly, the LCD is blank, and the camera is a brick. This is due to a metering component that was re-engineered by Nikon after the camera's release. If you have an early unit, expect it to happen. The good news is that Nikon has announced that they will fix the cameras with this problem for free... even after the warranty expires. See: http://www.robgalbraith.com/public_files/D2H_D70_N55_Service_Advisory.pdf

I have heard of this. Thanks for the link. How would we know if we have one of the de-bugged versions? I purchased mine in March 2005.

[Geoff_M]

If you bought yours in March, 2005 then you shouldn't have a problem. The cameras were initially released in April, 2004 and it appears that the part was changed approximately 4-6 months after release. It's rumored that the problem is related to a "slip on" connector cable to the metering circuit that works loose over time (seems to take about a year to disconnect on average). The new component is reported to have a soldered connection. My D70 (bought in April, 2004) BGLOD'ed this July. I shipped it off to Nikon (before they issued the "We'll fix it for free" bulletin) with a note stating that I knew this was a known problem with the camera and I knew that others had gotten their's fixed for free... and 6 days later Nikon had it fixed and back in my hands at no charge.

[Muushka]

Thanks Geoff (I used to have a wonderful cat named Geoffrey, I miss him).

I think I will go ahead and get the 1.8 because I am not that picky and can't justify the extra $$. But for the flash, I may bite the bullet and get the SB-800. I hate not having enough light for pictures and I will be mad at myself that I had cheaped out on the flash.

I just got my D70S, so I am safe from the dreaded BGLOD. Thank you for all the great information. Barb

[LittleDino]

Another D70 user with an SB800 flash. :wave2:

[Muushka]

Another D70 user with an SB800 flash. :wave2:


:wave: So, do you love your SB800?? Glad you bought it??

[aggie94]

We have a D70 also. Do you all take it to WDW? Also, what's the performance difference between the 600 and the 800 flashes?

Thanks, KC

[landmark]

We have a D70 also. Do you all take it to WDW? Also, what's the performance difference between the 600 and the 800 flashes?

Thanks, KC

KC,

Our last Disney trip 3/2005 was our first trip with the D70. We took it both to the parks and on a 3 night cruise. We purchased a great camera bag that is also a backpack and that really helped. Of course I had the camera in my hands for most of the time just putting it away in the bag on rides.

Some of the differences between the 600 and 800 were described earlier in the thread. I'm not exactly sure what they are as we purchased the 800 and I've never used the 600.

[Geoff_M]

Also, what's the performance difference between the 600 and the 800 flashes?Here are the main differences:
Power -
SB-800 Guide Number of 125 @ 35mm (ISO 100)
SB-600 Guide Number of 98 @ 35mm (ISO 100)

"What's a Guide Number?" It's the number, when divided by the aperture being used, gives you the maximum number of feet away the flash can illuminate. ISO 100 is the usual ISO the number is given in, even though the D70 starts out at ISO 200. (Multiple the Guide Number by 1.4 when moving to 200 from 100) So, when the flash it zoomed out to provide coverage for a 35mm lens and you D70 is set to ISO 200 and your lens is set to use f5.6, the distance a SB-800 can light up is (125*1.4)/5.6= ~31 ft. The SB-600 can go to (98*1.4)/5.6= ~25 ft.

Zoom Coverage -
SB-800 auto zooms 24mm-105mm
SB-600 auto zooms 24mm-85mm

The more you zoom in, the more the light is concentrated in the beam. On top of being more powerful to start with, the SB-800's added zoom will give you even more light when using a flash with a 200mm lens.

Recycle Time -
The SB-800 comes with an attachment that allows you to use a 5th AA battery. This makes for quicker firing of the flash.

Wireless Flash Control -
The SB-800 incorporates Nikon's wireless remote system. You can set the flash off camera and use another Nikon flash to trigger the SB-800 with a special light pulse.

[Muushka]

Wow, thanks Geoff. Great explanation!!

[Muushka]

Ok, about those batteries.....

I was going to pick up an extra battery (I could not believe how long a charge lasted and then I could not believe how quickly it drained once it showed a lower level). Anyone use the generics? i have this link
generic battery (http://www.sterlingtek.com/nikendigcamb.html)


$17.99 plus shipping. Whatcha think? Thanks all, for answering these (seemingly) endless questions.

[Charade]

Another D70 owner!!! SB800, 50mm 1.8, 18-70 kit lens and 70-300 Sigma (latest APO DG model), 85mm 1.8 and 24mm 2.8. I ordered a 80-400 Sigma with OS (optical stablization) which worked well (I really miss it as I have it on my nearly 5 year old OLY 2100) but it was a little slow and noisey for my tastes. Plus it was a beast! Nikon is releasing an 18-200 VR lens later this year (about $800) that I think I'll get since the 18-70 kit lens is a bit short for my preferences.

The new D200 looks real nice!! Kinda makes me wish I had waited a little longer to make the leap to a DSLR.

[Charade]

Ok, about those batteries.....

I was going to pick up an extra battery (I could not believe how long a charge lasted and then I could not believe how quickly it drained once it showed a lower level). Anyone use the generics? i have this link
generic battery (http://www.sterlingtek.com/nikendigcamb.html)


$17.99 plus shipping. Whatcha think? Thanks all, for answering these (seemingly) endless questions.

I have 3 batteries. 1 Nikon and 2 Delkins (from Amazon.com). Can't tell the difference and they last forever! Only one battery change on my trip to WDW last week. Took about 300 pics with some internal flash.

[aggie94]

Thank you Kimberly and Geoff for your quick answers.

Does anyone know of a good online course or book to help me to learn about my D70?

KC

[Charade]

Thank you Kimberly and Geoff for your quick answers.

Does anyone know of a good online course or book to help me to learn about my D70?

KC

This is a highly regarded "how to" book on the D70 (updated for the D70s).

http://www.bythom.com/d70guide.htm

[Geoff_M]

Thom's eBooks are great. They are money well spent.

[Charade]

Thom's eBooks are great. They are money well spent.


He lives practically right around the corner from me. Well, in my neck of the woods, 20 miles IS around the corner! :teeth:

[aggie94]

Thanks again! I'll get it.

KC

[Muushka]

I will order it also. Thank you all for your patience with me!! :flower:

[Muushka]

Looks like Nikon is recalling some of their EN-EL3 batteries.
Good luck-here is the link:

battery recall for Nikon (http://www.nikonusa.com/email_images/nikonusa/service_advisory/battery.html)

[Charade]

Looks like Nikon is recalling some of their EN-EL3 batteries.
Good luck-here is the link:

battery recall for Nikon (http://www.nikonusa.com/email_images/nikonusa/service_advisory/battery.html)

Thanks for the link. My original Nikon battery is not on the list.

[MissionMouse]

I am about to buy a new lens for this camera. We got the 18-70mm that came with it, but the more I read about the Nikkor 50mm f1.8, the more it appeals to me. Smaller, able to take low-lighting shots-who could ask for anything more?? Oh yes, the price! $105.00! I will buy it before we go to WDW this December to get used to it. Anyone got any opinions on this lens?

And while we are at it. We are going to get a flash also. Looking at the SB-600 (mainly because the price is so much less than the SB-800). Just wondering anyone's opinion of these 2 flashes. Thanks. Many more questions to follow........Thanks! Barb

Sorry, double posted this thread......

If you are really dollar driven by every decision you make with your camera you probably made the wrong move in buying a Nikon.

Personally, either of the flashes will do and I typically avoid flash photography except for fill. Exisiting light photography beats flash photography in so many different ways, but also have the SB800 for portrait photography and fill flash.

As far as your choice of the 50mm lense I made the choice of an f1.8 with my first 35mm camera and swore I would never choose an f1.8 if an f1.4 was available for a variety of reasons. So when it came around with my D70 I easily select the f1.4. I shoot a lot of exisiting light photography and the difference between these two lense is very noticable and can mean the difference in getting or missing a picture. I also only select fast lenses and will not consider a lense if the f stop is higher than f2.8.

[MissionMouse]

I have 3 batteries. 1 Nikon and 2 Delkins (from Amazon.com). Can't tell the difference and they last forever! Only one battery change on my trip to WDW last week. Took about 300 pics with some internal flash.
MY EXPERIENCE:
I have found that time exposures and some of the larger up end lenses (i.e. Nikon ED AF Nikkor 80-200mm f2.8 D, no internal lense motor) do drain the battery faster than normal. Taking about 600 exisiting light photos a week, it becomes noticable. So, if anyone is debating lenses like this I would recommend to just buy additional batteries, rather than go out an spend the extra money to get the next higher model up for $600-$800 more to get the internal lense motor unless you are making money off your photographs...considering the difference you could go out and purchase another fast Nikon lense.

[Muushka]

If you are really dollar driven by every decision you make with your camera you probably made the wrong move in buying a Nikon.

Ouch.

[MissionMouse]

Ouch.
That is usually the sound your wallet makes after making a purchase for your Nikon camera...especially if you go for the faster-higher quality Nikon lenses.

[ndelaware]

Ouch.
Just beacuse you bought a good digital slr camera doesn't mean you must buy the most expensive equipment available to go with it. If that were the case, why didn't you buy the DX2? Sure, it's $5000, but it's a better camera than the D70! Why bother with a camera that won't do what the best camera will do? The 1.4 may be better than the 1.8 (not everyone agrees), but that doesn't mean the 1.8 isn't a great lense. Many own it and love the pictures they get from it. If many long time Nikon owners are debating which lense is better between the two, it makes sense to get the less expensive of the two if the savings make sense to you. Same with the flash, both good but one has more power than the other. You decide which best fits your needs and your budget. And if you have small kids and or grandkids, a flash is essential. If the less expensive options weren't worth considering Nikon would not bother making them cause noone would buy them.

[landmark]

Looks like Nikon is recalling some of their EN-EL3 batteries.
Good luck-here is the link:

battery recall for Nikon (http://www.nikonusa.com/email_images/nikonusa/service_advisory/battery.html)


EEEK thanks for this. Looked at mine and sure enough I have a 49AC. Just called Nikon as I leave for WDW in 13 days. So I think I will just purchase an extra battery anyway and then have this one replaced.

[Muushka]

EEEK thanks for this. Looked at mine and sure enough I have a 49AC. Just called Nikon as I leave for WDW in 13 days. So I think I will just purchase an extra battery anyway and then have this one replaced.

Well, I may have some good news for you if you are not partial to Nikon-only batteries. I was poking around this battery site and found this great sale on the Nikon 'Equivalent' EN-EL3 batteries for $10 plus about $2 per battery for shipping.

Battery link (http://www.sterlingtek.com/nieneqdicaba.html)

[Scottwdw]

Another D70 owner here. I purchased mine this past September of 2005. I have a Nikon 8008s SLR but the price of the D70's just got way too tempting and, since I could use my existing lenses, I decided to make the jump.

I have been using a Nikon 995 digicam the past two years. I loved it and hated it at the same time. Loved the conviences of a digital but it was too slow and ate up batteries (I would carry three and always run out too soon). However, I did learn a lot about digital photography from the little guy. :)

I see some are discussing batteries. I was astonished how long the D70's battery lasted! However, I am not one to tempt fate so I purchased an extra battery from my favorite off-brand site, SterlingTek.com (http://www.sterlingtek.com/nikendigcamb.html), and I was not disappointed.

I recently returned from a trip to England where I visited London and Bath and took over 800 pictures. After I filled up one 1GB CF (about 550 shots), I had to change the battery. I was shooting at the highest JPEG setting. Took many low light pictures and enjoyed the ability to switch from ISO 200 up to ISO 1600 as the lighting indicated on the fly. I used an older Sigma 28-70 Zoom and a Nikon 80-200 Zoom. Not particularly fast lenses but I was shooting for pleasure.

I will say this, it was like coming home when I got my D70. I missed the speed of the SLR.

[Muushka]

We love our D70s don't we??

I bought 3 batteries from that same site last (SterlingTek) week at $10 each. Great service and battery seems pretty normal, but have not used it yet.

I too was amazed at how long those things lasted! We had the camera for 2 weeks before we had to charge the battery.

[CharlesTD]

My wife uses the D70 not the S model and for christmas she is getting the Sigma HSM F2.8 APO 70-200. It was 1300.00 but worth it I like the Nikkor lense better but it was listed at over 2 grand . Here is the link to the lense I bought her. She also uses the 28-80 from our F80 along with the 70-300 ED nikkor lense I got for her when I bought the F80.

http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_all_details.asp?id=3306&navigator=3

Here is the link ot the comparative Nikon lense.

http://www.nikon.ca/products/afs-vr-zoom-70-200/

[CharlesTD]

So out of curiosity why is there a difference in warranties between the US and Canada? I almost bought our camera in the US but upon review of the warranty policy by Nikon USA the manufacturers warranty was only 1 year parts 90 days labour as per the call I made to Nikon USA customer service. In Canada the warranty on the camera is 2 years parts and labour. I wonder why the difference in warranties?

[Charade]

AFAIK, US warranty is 1 year/ 1 year.

[CharlesTD]

AFAIK, US warranty is 1 year/ 1 year.
Hmm interesting because I called the number on the NIKON USA site for customer support and warranty service which by the way is in Kingston Ontario Canada. The Canadian warranty and customer service centre is in Toronto Ontario. I was specifically told by the warranty people at the centre US warranty is one year parts 90 days labour and this was just back in May.

[lap3]

Hello fellow Nikonians! :wave:
I suppose if I did a search I would have found this thread but Muushka was very nice in providing a direct link for me...thank you! Anyways, just bought my D50 a couple of weeks ago, Black Friday, to be exact. So far, I'm diggin' it! I don't know why I waited so long. I've been relying on my point & shoot for everything. While it's compact, picture quality doesn't even come close to my D50. Any other D50 owners loving their DSLR?

BTW, let's see some photos that some of you took with your camera! I'll start it off. As soon as I brought my camera home, I took it out of the box and took my first picture with it. Here it is...
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL915/3222868/6583355/120989608.jpg
What do you think? Comments and suggestions appreciated...

[Muushka]

What a beautiful picture. Great color.

So, with your new D50, are you shooting in auto or venturing out to the unknown (shutter and aperature priority or totally manual )?

I find when I am taking family shots I tend to just do aperature priority, but when we are out and about we do manual. I forgot how much I enjoyed using a light meter! I am loving this camera. We are picking up a SB600 flash on Wednesday. Oh boy, more to learn!

Say, do you visit the Nikonian website?

[lap3]

Thanks! Honestly, I was surprised that my very first picture with this camera came out this good! The place where I bought my camera offers various classes for free. I'm thinking about checking it out to learn more about the camera as well as techniques.

It's been 20 years since I've used my old Canon A-1 so I'm rusty at manual settings. Plus, my DW is not SLR-literate so this is really a learning experience for both of us. So, for now, we're in auto mode and we're ok with it.

I am a newbie member on Nikonian. I used them and pbase.com for resources when it came time to buy the D50. I was hesitant at first but if the pros recommended it, I knew I couldn't go wrong. Are you a member there?

[Muushka]

I visit the website daily, but have not posted yet. It took me 2 years to post on this website! They are also very helpful. Have fun snapping!

[MarkBarbieri]

I am about to buy a new lens for this camera. We got the 18-70mm that came with it, but the more I read about the Nikkor 50mm f1.8, the more it appeals to me. Smaller, able to take low-lighting shots-who could ask for anything more?? Oh yes, the price! $105.00! I will buy it before we go to WDW this December to get used to it. Anyone got any opinions on this lens?

And while we are at it. We are going to get a flash also. Looking at the SB-600 (mainly because the price is so much less than the SB-800). Just wondering anyone's opinion of these 2 flashes. Thanks. Many more questions to follow........Thanks! Barb

Sorry, double posted this thread......

It sounds like a nice idea, but given the hostility here towards "Brand specific" threads, I'd be cautious.

[Muushka]

It sounds like a nice idea, but given the hostility here towards "Brand specific" threads, I'd be cautious.

Wow, do you realize how old this thread is! Too late, already bought both, but thank you anyway.;)

[ukcatfan]

Wow, do you realize how old this thread is! Too late, already bought both, but thank you anyway.;)

He knows how old it is. It is just Mark being Mark...

[Muushka]

He knows how old it is. It is just Mark being Mark...

Ahhh, I see. I don't visit here very often, I don't know Mark!

Say, have any of you D70 owners traded for a better camera?
What did you get? Glad you did it?:goodvibes

We are pretty happy with the D70, so it will be ours for many years to come. Finally broke down and bought a better tripod for that heavy beast!

[ukcatfan]

Ahhh, I see. I don't visit here very often, I don't know Mark!



If you do not know Mark, then are you sure you have been on here before? :rotfl2: (Just like myself) Mark is on here waaaaayyyyyy too much. ;)