Week of Oct 16 - 2006 Half-Full Marathon Info/Training Thread [Archive] - The DIS Discussion Forums

chimera

10-16-2005, 09:40 AM

Hello everyone!

For those new to us, we're a group of people who are planning to participate in the 2006 and/or 2007 Disney Half or Full marathons. We range from non-running beginners to triathletes. Come join us!

Here's the Marathon FAQ, a great place to answer your marathon questions:
Disney Marathon FAQ (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=725285)
And some websites for further running/walking info:
http://www.runnersworld.com
http://www.coolrunning.com
http://www.halhigdon.com
http://www.running4women.com/
http://www.runnergirl.com/index.shtml
http://www.katherineswitzer.com/fitness.html
http://www.irongirl.com
The John Bingham site:
http://www.waddleon.com/
Jeff Galloway's site:
http://www.jeffgalloway.com/

Pacing Calculator (http://www.mcmillanrunning.com/Running%20University/Article%201/mcmillanrunningcalculator.htm)

Anyone wanting to join the Trails End dinner, please post to the thread with how many people you'd like to bring. Looks like we have extra seats available!

Thanks for the congrats, but I sure don't feel like a big dog yet :dog2: Maybe when I can actually run the whole thing. ;) I've definitely come a LONG way since the 22 min pace at the beginning of the year.
Great LR for me yesterday, but I'm afraid I've found my bad ankle. I've had problems with it since high school and was pleasantly surprised that it's left me alone through all the training. Didn't bother me during the LR yesterday, but woke up stiff and sore this am...kinda like how it feels after a day walking around MK or EPCOT ;)

Kathy...way to stick with it!

Lisa...good luck with all your medical appts. :wizard: Hope they find whatever it is that's causing all your concerns. Must be really frustrating, but at least your pace is good!

Cam...excellent pace dude! You're WAY ahead of what my pace was on the 3 mile weeks. Talk about a Big dog! :dog: :dog2: Is that just walking or are you doing some running too?

Tammy...great to see you again! Which MFM training program are you using?

Heather...if I can do 7 miles, anyone can :teeth: . I do an out and back route so I can tell myself it's only an extra half mile over last week ;) You'll do great! Are you doing MFM too?

Krista...great pace! I've been doing the LR without the MP3 player too, but I'm more worried about getting runover by golf carts coming up on the sidewalk behind me. :scared1: I'm jealous you're heading to WDW so soon...our next trip is still 3 weeks away.

eeyoresmom... :wizard: :wizard: for your job interview and your injury!

Lily...did you decide to do the Goofy?

MelR...any adventure reports for this week?

Carrie...how was your LR this weekend?

Lynne...wow...tough call! Which specialty do you love? Which one would make you want to get up and go to work every day? In 10 years, when you sign onto the DIS and say hey I'm going to be running the 2016 full and I'm a ________...how do you see yourself filling in that blank? Personally, I wasn't looking forward to my EM rotation, but ended up loving it! You get more variety in EM...you never know what's going to come through those doors. And you can tailor your challenge level based on how much excitement you want...my EM rotation here in Sarasota was pretty sleepy, but my classmates in the level 1 trauma centers had some wild stories. And it's shiftwork...no call, just work your 8s or 12s and go home. But with ortho, you'd have the chance to really specialize right down to specific body parts if you wanted. It's a really tough choice for you! One good thing about being a PA...I can change specialties like I change running shoes ;)

Sorry for missing so many of you! There's getting to be too many of us to keep up with in one post :love:

Race question...where do family members meet us afterward? Is there a place where the whole team can meet up when we're done?

Good training everyone! Only 12 more weeks!

msblrobs

10-16-2005, 12:00 PM

Please add me to your list! This will be my second WDW full marathon and I'll be attempting the Goofy!! I just got back from 11 glorious days at WDW and I am off to DL at the end of the week (I'm a DL virgin). DH has been recruited for the half in 2006 and we're leaving the three kids at home for marathon weekend. Since they have been to WDW three times this year, I feel no guilt in that :-)
I just ran the Race for The Taste 10K at WDW last weekend and it was hot, hot, hot. Being from upstate NY, the humidity just about did me it. That and the pounds I packed on with the Disney Dining Plan:-)
Looking forward to inspiring each other with training stories, tips, triumphs, etc.

Sara Roberts
Queensbury, NY

TammyNC

10-16-2005, 05:44 PM

Mel-I am doing the 1/2 training from MFM. I am glad to be back around the boards after a couple of really hectic weeks.

Have a great evening everyone. I'll be up bright and early on the TM in the morning.

Calcio

10-16-2005, 06:09 PM

Goofy seems to be well named.

Well this weekend was my first training attempt to get physically and mentally prepared for the Goofy. The most appropriate comment is "it wasn't competely horrible."

It was pouring rain here yesterday, so my options were getting drenched, getting bored to tears on the treadmill, or running a bunch of laps on the indoor track. I chose the third of these options, running, no joke, 93 laps on the College's indoor track, 11.54 miles. An easy pace and tempo, it actually felt very nice until well past 10 miles. A success, but even then, my IPod's battery went out at lap 35 so I did most of it entertainment-less. Lots or ice and stretching after, and by last night I was feeling pretty good.

Today the rain was gone, replaced by 40-50 mile per hour winds. I started the run 24 hours after yesterday's start. I felt loose while stretching, but it only took 50 meters of running before my legs began to complain. After a mile or so they felt a bit better, and I was running at probably the same easy pace as yesterday. I had planned for 5 miles, but at 4.5 my left calf began to seize up in the center of the muscle. I stopped immediately fearing serious damage, stretched, and then iced the calf for a good bit after.

Lessons? I suppose the main one is run easy and relaxed the entire way for the WDW half, and then go even more slowly during the full. I would have liked it to have felt better today, and gone a bit further, but given I have never run 16 miles over a 2 day period, as long as I didn't damage the calf I'll declare victory, and promise to take it very easy in the coming week.

I plan to do a few more of these back to backs before January, but I have to question my sanity. It's good to know there are at least 2000 others facing the same quest.

Good training all.

Craig

Lisa loves Pooh

10-16-2005, 06:29 PM

Sorry about your two runs Calcio--it will get better. Remember, the first time is always a stonker!

Our first "long" run for our team--a mere 6-8 miles...felt like forever and felt tough. And yet 10 miles is easy....I don't get that!

For the back to backs--is your longer run first or second in your series (during training)?

TEK224

10-16-2005, 07:42 PM

I've been questioning my sanity for the last month. What was I thinking?! :earseek: Oh yeah, I know. I was thinking: I WANT THAT GOOFY MEDAL!

Went out and did 4.1 miles today. While it wasn't a great run, it was educational. Here's what I learned.

1. If it's chilly. I run in layers, but the bottom layer wono't be my underarmour LS shirt. 1/2 way into my run I was sweating and could feel the sweat rolling down my arms.

2. Not only don't I like running hills, I don't like running into the wind. We had 30 mile gusts today and it was not fun.

3. Doing the elliptical machine and exercise bike in place of running is not as good. All week I either did the ellip or cycle to try to let my quad heal. Figured non-weight bearing exercise would be better while it healed. Went for a run today and felt so out of shape (even more than usual :p )

4. They way I felt out there today, I was sure my time would have gotten me swept. Instead I was slightly under 15 min. mile pace. (I wouldn't look at my Garmin until I got back home).

My quad is yelling at me right now :guilty: , so I'm gonna ice it down and rest. I have my reg. check-up at the Dr. tomorrow, so I may have him check it out. He's also a runner so hopefully he can provide some helpful tips.

Terri

keenercam

10-16-2005, 07:50 PM

Cam...excellent pace dude! You're WAY ahead of what my pace was on the 3 mile weeks. Talk about a Big dog! Is that just walking or are you doing some running too?

Hi, Mel! Thanks so much! That pace included time I spent walking not so fast for a warm up, then a jog for a little over a minute, and then, finally, something I cannot believe I did -- I jogged for almost a quarter mile! Just barely and then I slowed to a crawl, but I finished on that jog to be sure to be below 45 minutes! I know I'll have to jog occasionally at the 1/2 to keep my pace on track, but today is one of those days when I feel confident I can do it. After all -- we have 12 more weeks to train, right?! :teeth:

By the way, I was at "Blue Tulip" today and found a silver "pebble" that says "BELIEVE" in script. I plan to keep it in my pocket whenever I train. I was inspired by Friday night's episode of "Three Wishes" and then this afternoon, I saw "Dreamer" -- I truly think anything is possible if you believe and then are willing to work hard in connection with that belief.

Well, I have to have an "ugly spot" removed tomorrow morning and am hoping it won't interfere with my training schedule. Not worried about the pathology. Just getting it taken care of. I doubt it will impact on training-- guess it depends on whether I need stitches. Keep your fingers crossed.

littlegreydonkey

10-16-2005, 08:50 PM

Sunny - guilty as charged with the Scooter, my running buddy just got an ipod and came round to borrow some CD's and she found the same thing, they are bonkers but they make you move! As for other recommendations, not quite in the same musical vein but I highly recommend Busted - especially Air Hostess, Thunderbirds and Crashed the Wedding (I always speed up to all of them).

My 15 miles went well - well I did it. It took me 3 hours which suits me pacewise, I'm only intending on finishing this thing I don't care how long it takes. I'm not sure I could have run much further afterwards, but I could have walked for miles so that works for me. Pretty sore knees halfway, the problem with running so slowly to make sure I can cover the distance is that I don't bend my knees enough and everything seizes up. I was also cursing the fact that there is not one metre of flat on my running route, it's constant uphill/downhill for 15 miles - and by about mile 12, I can't tell you which is more painful up or down - but I think it's down!

I'm also gaining weight at a rate of knots (200gm every 2 days) what's that all about? Am going to have to come off the bread and pasta and go onto the beans and oats I think. I've got a relatively easy training until my half on the 30th so hopefully can stabilise - I can't do up my 'fat' trousers at the moment, let alone anything else!!!

Anyway, I'm in mid feature so I'd better go. Have a good week all. Helen

plutosmyfav

10-16-2005, 09:10 PM

not quite in the same musical vein but I highly recommend Busted - especially Air Hostess, Thunderbirds and Crashed the Wedding (I always speed up to all of them).

Not Bad! Reminds me a bit of Blink-182 or All American Rejects. Thanks!

Glad you made your 15 miler. Downhill is definitely a killer. Sorry to hear you don't have any flat ground!

MelR-- Are you among the living? ;) :flower:

I took DD for her wog today. She did the best yet: 4.2 miles at an avg pace of 12:17. I've been trying to get ahold of someone regarding our Battlegreen Run 5K. I can't find the course online and I want to make sure its not too hard for her. Its rated "moderately challenging". I really wish I could have found a pancake course for her first run. Oh well.

The sun came out :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny:

Sunny

keenercam

10-16-2005, 09:37 PM

Sunny and Helen -- I just downloaded Scooter's Nessaja and it reminds me so much of what they play at clubs or at Pleasure Island late at night to really get the crowd dancing! I love it! It is now right at the top of my workout playlist! Thanks! Am going to go browse for more Scooter. How fun! :banana:

Tiger Lily 03

10-16-2005, 09:41 PM

So any career counseling anyone???
Not sure if this will help in the long term. This is not medical related but lifestyle. Ortho choice you would most likely be on call for those emergencies and need to work through as required. ER is constant battery of cases and more than likely non-stop during your assigned time. One is feast/famine the other is steady busy for more or less of a fixed time. You might look at burn out rates in long term. Do you have thoughts of future relationships/family and how this may be handled? DH is on call (differeent profession) and when he has a rough time it is endless for that time. Both he and I have worked in non-stop jobs where it keeps pressing on a daily basis and have had shift work added to the mix. Either way has been challenging with its own struggles. We have an ortho doc who says he was always working odd hours b/c of call outs and then normal hours b/c of the surgeries/follow-up related to the call outs. It has preyed on his family life-style and his family split over it. DH and I have managed to make it through our stress times, but we are considered not the norm for that. If you have already made thought on that, there is no crystal ball sad to say so then it becomes making the jump and not looking back. No shoulda woulda coulda as that won't change anything. :hug: to you. Deciding what you want to be when you grow up is tough. Last thing I thought about this is if the question would ever evolve to dollars. Would that ever make a difference in the consideration of your choosing?

Mel, you are well on your way and that pace is great for photo ops too! (Way better than me and my pace)

Lily--you'll have more company with my Mom, she's walk/running the half. I love it when she asks how I'm doing and then says, "well, I do have 30 years on you." I tell her 57 isn't old!! :earboy2:
Krista princess:Yippee! for the oldsters in the group! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Preggo wannabes, I went to Runners World web site and looked up pregnancy and running. You do need to “slow down,” but it appears you do not have to completely forever stop. There is a ton of info available about the subject on the web.

Heather, soon that 7-miler will not seem long at all. One foot in front of the other and before you know it… :)

Tammy, great to hear you are on and better than last year.

Lisa got to take a spin with DH. Yay! How lucky! Hope your physical issues heal and the docs get you where you need to be. Sounds like you have a sound plan in place. Could you throw me a lifeline while you are talking with DH as the hitting the wall occurs and PULL me along? I would say that we could talk our way over, but you will be way ahead of me for sure with your pace.

Kathy, if you are having those shin issues, remember to work on them with the “alphabet exercise.” Draw the alphabet with your toes to help strengthen you shin muscles.

Craig, seems like your progress is going well. I don’t think I could be that dedicated to make it that many times around the little circle. I like to hear of the lessons you are picking up.

Terri, good job on your pace. Good luck at the doc. Great for you that you have a doc that is a runner.

Cam, good luck at the doc tomorrow. You should be fine. My Mom had one removed and was up and at ‘em afterward. It is so great to hear of your purchase that is inspirational. You are so on target! Yes we have 12 weeks to train and you are on!

Helen, wow! 15 miles and still able to move. Like your music talk. Sounds like some fun stuff you are all tuned into. Downhill is tough on me too.

Sunny glad that you are able to enjoy with your DD. Hope that course won’t be too tough.

Sara, welcome to our group. You will love it here. I look forward to getting to know you better.

I did manage 6 very slow miles with DS yesterday in 1:45. It was pleasant and we had mother-son bonding time. Absolutely precious! Today I thought I would try to see what a back-to-back felt like. Nope, haven’t decided on Goofy. If I had to decide today, it would be positively no. I did my 10 miles and managed an overall average pace of 15:28. DH took the bike along and kept tagging with me and also stayed along with me for quite some time. He got too cold and had to leave me as I was at the last 3 miles to go. I really enjoyed that he tried to be with me. I had a pretty good thing going midway but all started slowing toward the end. (DH said it might be b/c of the 30mph wind) I had to crawl back that last mile. Whew! So I built up a good pace that took me through the end, but I have done 10 miles before much easier in weather that was much warmer. I like the weather we had today, cool and comfy running. I am not currently sore, but I could not go another step. I'm having issues with that heel of mine. Such a bum thing. I guess I will be joining the ranks of checking with the doc.

I tried to respond to as many as I could. Sorry if I missed ya.

TiffJ

10-16-2005, 10:16 PM

Well today was my 5 miler, did 14:23 pace. I pleased with that. Does anyone get light headed mid way thru? At about 2.5 miles I started getting light headed, it didnt last the whole time but this isnt the first time it has happened. It wasn't the heat because it was very cool this morning. I ate a Balance bar before going out. Any ideas?

Sara-welcome. I know you'll enjoy our little(well not so little anymore) training group

Sunny-is your DD doing the 5k at WDW? How old is she? My DS8 is in the process of training for it. He's been training with DH & I took him out last night (and it was after my xt) & pushed him to do 1.5 miles & 15:21 pace. He said I was alot harder that daddy. Daddy wouldnt go fast if his butt was on fire ;) I love him but speed in doing anything is not his strong suit.

Craig-OMG 93 laps! I think that would have made me dizzy. But good for you for not quitting. I sorry you guys in the NE have had so much rain. I have been very lucky with the weather lately. Maybe some of ours will head your way soon.

Cam-good luck at the DR

Everyone's doing great. Remember we have 12 more weeks of training. ALOT can be accomplished in that time. I could never have done 5 miles at 14:23 even 4 weeks ago. Just keep on building it up!

gatorphipps

10-16-2005, 10:17 PM

I was also cursing the fact that there is not one metre of flat on my running route, it's constant uphill/downhill for 15 miles - and by about mile 12, I can't tell you which is more painful up or down - but I think it's down!

I'm also gaining weight at a rate of knots (200gm every 2 days) what's that all about? Am going to have to come off the bread and pasta and go onto the beans and oats I think. I've got a relatively easy training until my half on the 30th so hopefully can stabilise - I can't do up my 'fat' trousers at the moment, let alone anything else!!!
Helen - Understand the hilly runs. And to encourage you, I am eating a mint choc. chip shake as I type this. :teeth:

Craig - WTG on your double LRs. They are not easy! Hope the calf feels better. Here are some :wizard: :wizard: :wizard:.

Preggo wannabes, I went to Runners World web site and looked up pregnancy and running. You do need to “slow down,” but it appears you do not have to completely forever stop. There is a ton of info available about the subject on the web.
I so agree! I exercised until the day b/4 I delivered my DDs. I think it helps labor. I delivered my DD7 in less than 2 hours and my DD5 in less than an hour. (My production company was getting ready to start a show and I went into labor. Almost did not make it to the hospital. :earseek: )
By the way, I was at "Blue Tulip" today and found a silver "pebble" that says "BELIEVE" in script. I plan to keep it in my pocket whenever I train. I was inspired by Friday night's episode of "Three Wishes" and then this afternoon, I saw "Dreamer" -- I truly think anything is possible if you believe and then are willing to work hard in connection with that belief.
YES, YES, YES! :cool1: "If you can dream it, then you can do it...yes you can, yes you can!" From the old ride Horzons.

Christa

aladdinsgirl

10-16-2005, 10:29 PM

My run tonight flat out rocked!! I am so excited. I did 35 minutes r/w (this is really Monday's run, but I'm trying to get 3 runs in this week and my lr on Friday. We leave for Disney World Saturday morning, and I do NOT want to do a lr my first day of vacation!!) and I ran 3.19 miles--that's a PR for me. :goodvibes My first mile was awesome, 10:29!! Second mile awesome too at 10:53. My third mile wasn't so lovely, my stomach started cramping and I thought I was going to get sick in the bushes (must have been that Chipotle burrito I had for lunch! :teeth: ), I finished in 11:something, I think maybe 11:10 or 11:15. Still a good time, but not as great as my first 2 miles. The lesson for today is: save the Chipotle burrito for AFTER the run! :rotfl:

Cam--Awesome pace! I can really see your weekly progress, you are definitely a big :dog: . Good luck tomorrow with your "bad spot", hope it isn't too serious!! :wizard:

Mel--7 miles!! Way to go!! I guess you must be pretty happy with your boys today. They sure did spank the Dolphins!! All I have to say about football is I hate Tommy Maddox!! :rolleyes:

Sunny--Thanks for music tip. I love good old classic punk rock--Green Day ( especially in their "Dookie" days, although I do love "American Idiot") and blink-182. I'll have to check out those bands.

Sara--Welcome!! :wave2:

Lisa--Hope you figure out what in the world is going with your legs!! Glad you got a good run in though.

Lily--That's great that you and son can train together. Did you say he was running the half?

Okay, back to house work, I'm trying to get the house clean (I can't go on vacation and leave a messy house :) ), laundry, and start on the packing before Friday. Why is it the week before vacation is always the most hectic and stressful? Happy training everyone!!

Krista princess:

crzy4pooh

10-16-2005, 10:34 PM

DH and I did 10 miles on Saturday - yea!!! It was so sweet of him to come with me - and for him to push the stroller the whole way!!! :earseek: It started out wonderfully - just barely 70 degrees, and the first four miles felt great. Once the sun came out, I had a bit of trouble, but I'm hoping the weather will continue to cool off a bit. I did manage just under 14 min pace. Woo-Hoo!!! Thanks to everyone for all your inspiration and encouragement!

I do have a question - whenever I do a long run, I have major tummy troubles. I don't know if it's from the heat, not being hydrated enough, eating the wrong things the day before??? Does anyone else deal with this? Anyone know how to avoid it? I can handle with the leg soreness, but being sick to my stomack the rest of the day is getting a little annoying! :blush: Please help!!!

For some happy happy news - DH signed up for the DL half last week - we're going to Disneyland!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana: I'm a florida girl, and never imagined getting to go see where it all began! DH is running the half, and I'm doing the 5K. I'm also planning on doing the Minnie and the Danskin in May - yea!!!! So much to look forward to! Hopefully with some goals and training plans I won't get the post-marathon blues like last year... We're going to stay focused and motivated this time! ;)

Everyone is doing so great!!! I can't wait to meet you all and put faces with names! :flower: Happy training!!! :cheer2:

Calcio

10-16-2005, 11:15 PM

Lisa

Remember everything is relative. I suspect 6 months ago you would have thought of 4 miles a a long one, but once you're out in the 6-8 range that 4 seems very easy and short.

For my doubles I'm doing the longer first and the shorter second, at least for this time and the next. I'll reverse the order at least once, but with 12 weeks to go, probably only once. Rationalizing (1) I'll be fresh on January 7, which I wasn't yesterday since I trained really hard all week and (2) my time goal for the full on January 8 is quickly changing into "finish with a smile on my face." I plan to take it easy and early during the full, so I can get around the entire course.

Mel

Be sure to ice your sore ankle(s) after a workout. This really makes a difference, keeping the swelling down, so the next day is 100% more comfortable. I'm bring plenty of bags to Orlando, and I'll empty the ice machine after both races.

Good to hear of everyone's progress with 83 days until the half.

Craig

TXBelle

10-16-2005, 11:39 PM

Well, I did not get in my 7 miles this weekend. I did 3.3 miles walking with DD in the stroller this morning. Better than nothing. I will follow my training schedule this week and try for 7 next Saturday. Gotta get to bed so that I can get up at 5 for my training run. :paw:

Lisa loves Pooh

10-17-2005, 08:50 AM

keenercam--excellent on that quarter-mile jog! Isn't it the greatest feeling to accomplish a new milestone? Good luck with your spot removal and keep us posted.

littlegreydonkey--have you been partaking in the pie eating contest, too???? Well done on those 15 miles. Sounds very excellent and makes me feel good about my times--I'm behind you..but not as far as I thought....so maybe I'm a medium dawg ;). Though my pants would be inclined to place me in the "big" category.

Sunny---is your daughter training for Disney as well? Good luck on your 5K. Awesome pace for her...are you guys wogging together?

Lily--I didn't know you were registered for Goofy! Was your 6 and 10 back to back...if so, you did great! Good luck with your heel. I will give you a call during the run---maybe send up smoke signals in animal kingdom! Hubby was a great motivator on the 10 miles Saturday...but when we got to the end, he's ready to quit, so I switched gears and took over. I guess I'm a great finisher--it's all that fluff and stuff in between that I need help with.

TiffJ--great job. I don't get lightheaded--but it could be not enough water or not enough calories. You may be ready for gu during your jaunts as you are out for over an hour. Try to do a gel (or other nutritional supplement) about 20 minutes into your walk/wog/jog....and you may avoid the lightheadedness next time.

Krista--WOW...you ran with a burrito in your stomach? Great times..but I agree...burrito's make a great post-run option :).

crzy4pooh--not sure about the stomach trouble. You might record what you eat the day before---it could be as simple as grapes...I eat lots of them--but especially white grapes..I can have some minor tummy issues...i.e. too much figer. Are you eating before your long runs--and at 10 miles...have you begun eating during the run??? These would be my suggestions. If you are still just drinking water...it is probably time to introduce an -ade drink (power or gator-ade). Good luck. I'm registered for DL as well--but we will see if I actually make it out there.

Calcio--I think finish with a smile is an excellent goal--not to mention a good slogan for the Goofy!

DD is excited to "exercise" with me in the pool today. We did some school lessons (we homeschool) right when we got up this morning...to accomodate pool time and a walk with the jogging stroller. I see the doctor tomorrow. The same spot on the side of my knee--I dare say it might be in the leg bone actually....bugs the tar out of me. Just like the knuckles--it feels like an air bubble and when it releases--everything feels normal.

Happy training everyone---it feels like it is almost here!!!!!!

TiffJ

10-17-2005, 09:13 AM

Oh no- only 83 more days :earseek: I hadnt thought of it that way. It seems so much closer than saying 12 weeks. Well I guess I better make sure I dont slack of on the training. No time for slacking now.

Lisa-I think I am going to start brining something. All this activity is new for my body & I think its trying to rebel.(wait til it finds out I'm considering the Danskin tri)

Today is an off day for me & yea the kids go back to school after being off a week. Training is easier if we are in our regular schedule. Of course with the holidays I'm going to have to be really organized to make sure training doesn't suffer.

Happy Monday!

plutosmyfav

10-17-2005, 10:07 AM

I do have a question - whenever I do a long run, I have major tummy troubles. I don't know if it's from the heat, not being hydrated enough, eating the wrong things the day before??? Does anyone else deal with this? Anyone know how to avoid it? I can handle with the leg soreness, but being sick to my stomack the rest of the day is getting a little annoying! :blush: Please help!!!

Yes! I sometimes have major tummy issues. I try to avoid eating too much the night before and in the morning I just drink a SlimFast so there's nothing solid in my tummy. Even so, I sometimes have to find a bathroom ASAP during my run :confused3 At the end of my LR I stretch and then drink another SlimFast. (I drink powerade and sometimes take a GU during the run) I don't eat solid food for at least 2 hours afterwards. HTH

Cam-- If you are looking to increase your Scooter intake :rotfl: Here are my favorites:

No Pain No Gain
Maria
Weekend
Move Your @ss
Faster Harder Scooter
Ramp! (The Logical Song)
Back in the UK
Unity Without Words

Another song that I recognized from Pleasure Island and love in my mix is Kernkraft 400 by Zombie Nation

Another song in that same genre is Dragostea Din Tei (Ma Ya Hi) by O ZONE, there are many, many version. I haven't found one I don't like yet.

"Its nice to be important, but its more important to be nice"-- Scooter :)

DD is not training for Disney. She actually doesn't like Disney :confused3 She'll be 16 next week. She just started wogging about 2 months ago.

Sounds like there's been alot of progress this week! Great job Krista on the "Run that Rocked"!!!!!

I'm looking forward to a nice run today. Weather is brisk but not bitter. Perfect!

Sunny

panthergirl

10-17-2005, 10:24 AM

Hi Gang!

No, I'm not dead just working hard, hard , hard. My company was acquired but a much bigger concern and we are going through all of the associated growing pains. I think it will get better but for now it is challenging.

My long run on Saturday was 9 miles in 2:05. This week I go to 10 and will hold there and work on time. At my current rate I will finish the half at a little over 3 hours. I want to do it in 2:45 (I have secret hopes to do 2:30)so I have some work to do but I'm pretty happy with where I am.

I haven't had much chance to catch up on all of you so let me just say I hope your training is going well and you're getting as excited as I am to get racing! Have a great week all!

TXBelle

10-17-2005, 10:42 AM

Weather is brisk but not bitter. Perfect!

Sunny

We are looking forward to a nice "brisk" day in Houston too (89 for a high). :rotfl:

I got my lazy self out of bed this morning and went to the gym. I got in 3.5 miles on the TM. Back on track! :flower:

wtpclc

10-17-2005, 10:46 AM

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wtpclc

10-17-2005, 10:57 AM

Mel - Congrats on teh time and distance!! :paw: :paw: :paw: :paw: :paw:

Lisa - Congrats on your 10-miler! Hope this is a sign that you are healing well!!

To all those that are struggling, just stick with it! One good run is all it takes to be inthe swing of things and they come when least expected!

I was in Curves last week and a woman asked if I was excited for teh marathon. I said I was scared to death. She popped back kwith a "Just getting out and training is truely a victory." Was she one of you? ;)

My 10-miler went ok. Many of my aches and pains have gone away. I think my new shoes (Brooks) helped. Not 1005 sure whether my ASIC 2100s would eb better if I leared to tie them better. It seems liek such a fine line btwn too tight and too loose.

I am very grateful that I will be back home for teh 12-miler this week. The hills by my parents are insane. I ket thinking, "No wonder we were so good in hs!"

No rest for teh wicked this week. I had gotten used to that extra rest day. I guess I'll just have to look forward to next week. Have a good one everyone!

MelRhoads

10-17-2005, 11:46 AM

Yes. I am amoung the living.

Just finished another adventure race this weekend. the race was Raid the Rock, an urban adventure race in Little Rock, AR. I love Little Rock. We lived there for 10years, so I always love visiting there. The race was really fun! The team that developed the course won nationals 2 years in a row and they are great race planners. We did a ton on backwoods stuff, but did go through the city. We started in the dark on foot looking for checkpoints. We were out of the woods before the cutoff and transitioned to the bikes. We started the single track rides at sunrise (which was beautiful) We got pretty wet at the beginning. We did have the headlamps, but we didn't see the swamp we waded off into until it was too late. We would get wet several time during the race, so I guess it was no big deal. We did single track riding for what seemed like forever! At one point we were riding along the top of a 100 ft. bluff along the river. eeeeeekkk. We actually rode right by a bike checkpoint and had to backtrack to get it. That meant more single track (my weakness) We ended up riding to a drainage tunnel under a street. We had to wade with the bikes through a huge wet hole at the entry of the tunnel. NASTY!!!!! The water got up to armpit deep, but I found a way to walk on the concrete after getting in up to my thighs. We did some paved trail and road riding to the next event. It was a ropes course on a railroad tressel over the Arkansas river. We climbed up a rope lader to the top of the tressel and then rappeled off into the river. Again, NASTY. We had to swim to shore and then get back on the bikes to transition. We transitioned to the paddle. About 1 million miles of flatwater and upriver paddling. We could chose the water way of our choice to the next CP. We then portaged up a stream to another swamp. NASTY!!!! Where we paddled to the next section. We trekked to 17 more CP's in a thorn/briar filled swampy area. I have NEVER seen so many misquitos (no idea how to spell that) in my life! We finished in 12hrs/32mins. I think we came 15th amoung the 3person coed teams. I'm still scrubbing dirt off my toes! I have already washed my trail runners and they are stained with little black spots! NASTY!!!! Anyway, it was fun!

Back to the training schedule this week. I have a short run tomorrow and then 14 miles on thurs. I will probably just go easy on the pace!

xterratri - Sounds like you have some hard choices to make. I know for us, the main issue is time with family. I think in retrospect, phil wishes he had done family practice. it was a shorter less time demanding residency and they actually have the opportunity to earn more $ than he does with the duel certification in int. med and peds! I bet timewise, ER would be the way to go. you would have a pretty fixed schedule with no call and some blocks of time off! Phil thought ortho was really cool too! He loves working with tools and he said the surgeries were very similar to the tool work! I think the residency would have been HORRIBLE and the time invested after would be hard too. Residency was really hard on us as a family. You sure have some hard decisions to make. Ask your mom, she sounds smart! Best wishes with all of your decisions!
By the way, the century ride was not too miserable. I'll probably do it again next year.

Hope every one has a good training week. Looks like last week was kindof' hard on everybody!

keenercam

10-17-2005, 11:53 AM

Sunny -- I cant wait to look for more songs. One Scooter song was just not enough this morning! I will check out those others. Thanks for sharing! :cool1:

Hi, everyone! I have a question for all you experienced people. Just found out that "ugly spot" (Howard calls it a "beauty mark" -- isn't he sweet? :cloud9: ) has to be surgically removed and will result in internal and external stitches for about a 3" area.

It happens to fall on Thursday of a week when I would be doing 7 miles on Saturday. The LWs leading up to it go 3 miles (wk2), 4 miles(wk3), 5 miles(wk4), 3 miles(wk5), 6 miles(wk6), 7 miles(wk7). Do you think it would be okay to push everything up so I skip the 3 miles in wk5 and get in the 6 miles and 7 miles before that week? It is the MfMWtH plan -- the "cut" happens week 7. The stitches will be in 2 weeks, so that would have me doing 4 miles that weekend with fresh stitches instead of 7. I really don't want to take a chance on skipping that 7 miles. UGH! What should I do?

BTW, "spot" is on the bottom-most part of my back (right below the panty line/top of right rear hip.) :rolleyes: Why couldn't it be on my arm?

princessmomma

10-17-2005, 12:14 PM

...has to be surgically removed and will result in internal and external stitches for about a 3" area.

Wow, Cam, internal and external stitches, I really don't think you should be doing much for at least a week or two... be sure to ask the Dr.'s opinion, but I would be really careful that they don't get irritated and infected and then it will really set you back. I don't want to scare you, but be very careful and be sure you are fully healed before you attempted a 7 miler. I hope everything goes well. :wizard:

eeyoresmom

10-17-2005, 03:21 PM

Hi everyone. If you remember I was having trouble with my quad that I injured doing speedwork around 3 weeks ago and had to lay off the training last week(I'm training to run the full,my DD is running the half) I do my LRs on Monday so Sat I tried a 3 miler to see how it felt.I started with a full 20 min walk to warm up,then did the 3 miles in the pouring rain. It felt a little tight while I was running but not enough to stop me.As soon as I got home I soaked in the hot tub for 20 min with one of the jets on the injured quad.(don't know why I didn't think of that before :blush: ) I also took 3 Advil. Believe it or not the quad pain has not fully come back! I think that hot tub soak must have really relaxed something that was super tight and I was probably making the stiffness worse by total rest.Anyway, I did my LR today (10 miles) at a slightly slower pace than usual 10:40,but that's okay :earsboy: .I'm not encouraging anyone to run with pain,especially if it's joint pain,but for my muscle injury the heat and slow pace exercise really helped. Here's a little :wizard: for everyone dealing with injury or lack of motivation . BTW..This is my first marathon and I am training on hilly courses.What can I expect as far as running the flat WDW course? Will it feel significantly easier to me? Or will I miss those downhill rest oppurtunities? :rotfl: I didn't mean to write a book.Just wanted to offer a little hope to those who are having a tough time.Take care of yourself ,but stick with it,a week can make a huge difference! :sunny:

wtpclc

10-17-2005, 04:08 PM

Xterratri & NYCpa - I noticed that Erin would not be able to do the marathon, but must have missed the original post. Please let her know she'll be missed! :grouphug:

wtpclc

10-17-2005, 04:18 PM

eeyoresmom - I'm a first-timer too, but after this weekend in the hills, I think you'll like flat. I never feel like a downhill gives me back as much as an uphill takes out. Don't forget, though, there are overpasses, which will feel surprisingly like hills. :teeth:

You slowed down to a 10:40????? I guess I did too (10:42), but only by about 10 seconds. I was thrilled with that!

eeyoresmom

10-17-2005, 04:28 PM

Carrie,you and I seem to be right in sync. With the times I've been running lately,I should be able to run the full in 4:40-5:00 but I'm wondering if I'll be a little faster since the course is flat.I keep thinking "yeah the course is flat,but I may have to slow my pace just to cover the distance!" I would love to finish in 5:00,but I really want to enjoy as much of the race that I can! What are your goals? Maybe we can encourage each other :sunny:
Christine

wtpclc

10-17-2005, 04:41 PM

Goal #1 - Finish
Goal #2 - Run entire time
Goal #3 - Pic with Pooh (more characters if not too time consuming)
Goal #4 - Have fun (Should be automatic if meeting goals 1 - 3)

We estimated a 12:00 pace when we signed up (before we got off the couch). Our pace is really coming around, though. What did you put for a time for the corrals Christine? We put 5:30, as we did not have a time we could verify, but did not want to be put in the last one. I think that worked out to about a 12:40 pace.

littlegreydonkey

10-17-2005, 04:49 PM

keenercam

10-17-2005, 04:52 PM

Wow, Cam, internal and external stitches, I really don't think you should be doing much for at least a week or two... be sure to ask the Dr.'s opinion, but I would be really careful that they don't get irritated and infected and then it will really set you back. I don't want to scare you, but be very careful and be sure you are fully healed before you attempted a 7 miler. I hope everything goes well. :wizard:

Thanks for your concern, princessmomma. I am hoping to do the 7 miler the weekend before and then will play the weekend after the procedure by ear. Just wasn't sure if those schedules are to be treated as if they are written in stone. Also, I am really looking forward to training while we are in Hilton Head over Thanksgiving, so I am hoping I will be up for that. Uh-oh! Just realized stitches may mean no jacuzzi at HH DVC --- that would not be good! :sad: Do stitches usually have to be kept dry?

TEK224

10-17-2005, 05:04 PM

EEyoresmom: We could be twins. :teeth: I strained something in my quad a week and a half ago. I did no running all week. I did use the elliptical and exercise bike (leg didn't bother me then.)
Yesterday I did a slow wog (14:40 pace) for 4 miles. Made sure I stretched and then I iced the quad. Only difference is by last night my quad was not happy. Whenever I got up to move around the house,it took me 5-6 steps just not to limp. :sad1:

Went to Dr. for check-up today (he's also a runner). Tells me I probably strained the adducter. He applied resistance to my leg, but there was no pain. It's only when I run. I think its the pounding that's irritating it.

So for at least the next week I'm confined to the elliptical and bike again, along with a scipt for 800mg motrin. With only 12 weeks to go, this is not a good.

The one bright spot is that my doc runs a ten-mile race that I'm involved with. He said he does most of his training on the elliptical and a stairmaster.
So until the pain is gone, that may be my training regimen.
Wish me luck!
Terri

wtpclc

10-17-2005, 05:05 PM

Cam - I hope all goes well and you heal very quickly. You are meant to follow them as best possible, but if you've got a good base, missing some should not hurt. I think it'd be worse to miss too much by aggrevating teh stiches.

keenercam

10-17-2005, 05:09 PM

Morning - another suggestion in the running song list - Darude, Sandstorm, makes Scooter sound calm (and I did have to laugh to see them 'quoted' on the page although it is a genius lyric). I've also just typed in the lyrics of another 'uphill favourite' and discovered it's 'stop that time byTesto Darwich' - same techno chipmunk theme as Scooter.

Can't wait to check these out. FUN stuff. I actually WANTED to jog when I heard Scooter. Maybe I can place the songs at the right intervals in my playlist and train myself to jog whenever they come on, like a :dog: ! :teeth:

Cam: not sure how you're doing trainingwise at the moment, but if you're feeling good and not getting any pain after your long runs, I don't see why you can't skip the 3 miles fall back, you're not doing a huge jump upwards so it should be okay, just make sure you do REST on your rest days to let everything chill a bit. Hope the op goes okay.

Thanks, Helen. That is exactly what I was hoping to hear. I think I'll skip week 5 and then see how I am doing after Thanksgiving and will do one of those weeks twice.

. . .(even had my shorts on inside out i realised halfway round)

I'm sorry, Helen, but that actually made me laugh out loud! How hysterical. Sounds like something I would do! Sorry. Don't mean to insult you that way, but it realy is something I'd do :rolleyes1 The really funny thing is that since it is soooo dark when I get up now to do walks, I turn on the downstairs hall light and look at my reflection in our front full glass door to be sure I haven't forgotten something! :rotfl: On Saturday, I was so much in the zone that it took me stepping on the bottom of my windpants to realize they'd slid down my tummy almost to my hips. I just rolled them over a few times and kept going. I am LOVING my Saturday LWs! :cloud9:

ETA: Thanks, Carrie. Actually, the doctor was really, really understanding and said he is going to leave the stitches in longer than usual to allow me to train as much as I am up to, without him worrying about any pulling. I have to give him a lot of credit. He never blinked an eye when I told him I am training to speedwalk a half marathon. Usually, people look at me with an incredulous, drop-jawed expression! :earseek:

crzy4pooh

10-17-2005, 05:28 PM

Thanks Lisa and Sunny for the suggestions on the tummy issues. I will journal the next few weeks and see if there is something triggering it. I've been drinking powerade option and propel during the runs (more like water than powerade), so will switch to the real thing for the next few runs. I will also try not to do solids before or after. I've got 12 miles set for Saturday. Anyone else have any other suggestions? Thanks again!!! :flower:

Also, I tried Lisa's baby steps - 90 for running and 70 for walking. It was awesome! My time was faster, and I definitely felt less tired in my legs. My hips were a little sore, but not bad. Yea! I've tried it twice now, and am starting to get into a natural pace with it. Thanks Lisa!

Today was just walking - did 4.2 miles (pushing the stroller) at 16.5 min pace. It was really nice - I'm loving the fall weather!!! I'm a bit concerned, though, about Wilma churning in the gulf... no more hurricanes!!! :scared1:

Happy training to everyone! :grouphug: and :wizard: for those dealing with injuries and surgeries!!! We can do this! :cheer2:

Lisa loves Pooh

10-17-2005, 06:36 PM

So for at least the next week I'm confined to the elliptical and bike again, along with a scipt for 800mg motrin. With only 12 weeks to go, this is not a good.

The one bright spot is that my doc runs a ten-mile race that I'm involved with. He said he does most of his training on the elliptical and a stairmaster.
So until the pain is gone, that may be my training regimen.
Wish me luck!
Terri

I'll make you feel better...we had a young lady on our team--I can't describe the injury--but she rides horses...and she runs...and in retrospect--does not ride horses the day before a long run anymore. But last year....when she got her injury...she did not set foot on pavement again until the marathon...she trained 12 weeks on the elliptical.

I say this not as a jinx, but as an encouragement--she finished the marathon in about 6 hours. She was able to train the remainder of the season (I think it was about 12-14 weeks remaining). She had to go that long due to delays in specialist referrals (holidays in the way). She got clearance the week of the marathon..probably would have gotten it a bit sooner if not for the full schedule of appointments.

So you having to do the elliptical instead of the road for a few weeks won't impair your ability to finish. Enjoy the break...treat your body nice...and it will do what you ask faithfully the rest of the season :).

xterratri

10-17-2005, 07:43 PM

The aliens are kidnapping us WISHers....
and replacing us with runners!!!!

So today's run was listed as 50 minutes but I only did 49:35. Why? I set the Garmin to beep at 25 minutes and I turned around when it beeped. I got back home and had only ran 49:35 but it was over 5 miles so I said close enough and walked my cool down. I've never actually ran faster returning than going out and I was just running easy/moderate pace today. So I'm blaming it on the aliens. It sounds like other WISHers are having some alien moments too and all I've got to say is keep them coming.

Cam- two things, first good luck with your procedure and second is that I would vote for you skipping the 6 mile week and doing 7 that week rather than skipping the 3 mile week. Why? Remember the discussion about actually taking rest days as rest, well those dial back weeks function the same way so I think it's more impt to maintain the 3 mile week and skip over the 6 mile week. YMHO

So what do I see myself doing in 2016- sports medicine is the easy answer. Unfortunately the hard answer is there are multiple routes to get to that point. Money not really an issue as the average salary for EM is 180,000 and for ortho is 320,000. Sure ortho makes more but there's a limit to how many DVC points a person is allowed to own so that difference doesn't really matter to me. The EM doctor I talked with Friday night said he works 15-16 days per month, ~9 hour shifts. He was talking about coaching his kids and going to scout camp. That's a pretty powerful arguement for EM with an eventual sports med fellowship. Someone mentioned burnout- that can be a big problem for people that work inner city/level 1 trauma centers. I don't know if the docs working small town community hospitals have the same problem. My pipe dream when I chose medicine about ideal environment would be a fairly rural area where I could work as a doc, have a ranch(I think I outgrew this one but I still like the idea of having some acreage), and be part of the community. That's what the doc I worked with on Friday described his current life as. If I was fully trained and working right now, I would love to be on staff at the community hospital in Saranac Lake and have time to play in the mountains whether it's hiking, biking, skiing, etc.

Thanks for the thoughts, keep training hard everyone, and PD for those injuries.
Here's to more alien invader moments.

TEK224

10-17-2005, 07:59 PM

Thanks for the words of encouragement, Lisa. I think I worked out a plan.
I'll probably do most of the training on the ellip and bike, as i said before.

But to get my body used to moving for 5-6 hours, I'm mapping out some days at the gym where I swim for an hour, immediately shower and dress and then do 2 hours on the ellip and 2 hours on the bike.

If I give it a good 3-4 weeks to heal maybe I can try to hit the road around Thanksgiving for some fine-tuning.

Terri

eeyoresmom

10-17-2005, 08:22 PM

Carrie,I'm in the 5:00 corral.Having injured myself twice since the summer doing speedwork I'm not doing anymore while training for this marathon.So I'm probably not gonna get any faster than my current 10:15-10:45 pace :earsboy: Are you running with someone? My daughter is running the half and I would love to be running with her. I think it would be so cool to share the experience, but I registered waaaay back in January and she just decided to run last month and didn't think she'd be ready for the full.So I guess I'll be alone but I'll be looking for those green shirts when I'm feeling :crazy2: out there.Terri,I know our injuries sound the same(I feel your pain!) I came back from my LR 8 hrs ago and still no pain (not taking any Advil either) I really think the hot soaks work realy well immediately after the run to relax the muscle.You need ice after that however.BTW... my daughters cross country coach ,who is also an elite distance runner, said she trained for her first (and every one since) marathon by running around half the distance recommended and then bike riding for as long as she should have been running the rest of the session.She said that for her,just staying active for the amount of time it takes her to run the marathon works well.So I wouldn't worry too much that you're not running for a while,as long as you're keeping your HR up as if you were.Looks like I wrote another book.Good luck with your trainig everyone :sunny:

princessmomma

10-17-2005, 08:24 PM

The aliens are kidnapping us WISHers....
and replacing us with runners!!!!

LOL!! :rotfl2: Now you're talking!!

Minnie

10-17-2005, 08:36 PM

I'm starting to feel like this years 1/2 marathon is not to be for me :guilty: I went to see the chiro last Friday and was told no running or even distance walking the entire weekend so no lr at all. I normally run on a paved road or the gravel side of the road and that is really causing me extreme problems.

We are not sure if it is actually my sciatica that is causing the problem or an old knee injury that has reappeared. Having problems with pain in the outside section of my right knee.

Sorry to be such as downer of a post but I see my dream of the start/finish line of the 1/2 and that donald medal slipping quickly away :hourglass

eeyoresmom

10-17-2005, 08:45 PM

Minnie,if you are having pain on the outside of your knee it could be iliotibial band syndrome (or runner's knee for short :earsboy: ) Do you run in a hilly area or on surfaces that are very uneven? This is a very common overuse injury that responds very well to avoiding the hills for a bit.I'm not diagnosing you, I just don't want you to give up if it's something that responds so well to some minor adjustments. If I were you I would do a search of runner's knee online and see if you think that is your problem.I suffered from this this summer and it really felt serious,but was really easy to clear up.Good luck ::MickeyMo

NYcpa

10-17-2005, 09:23 PM

I managed to do my 30 min on the treadmill this evening with a 5 min warm up and cool down. I had myself convinced my back wouldn't like it but it feels fine. It gets stiff lying down which I had to do so the PT could stretch out my shoulder and neck. Working on both area make my pt sessions 1.5 hours each 3 times per week. It will be worth it in the long run, but it is an inconvenience now when i have many other things I want to be doing.

I don't have to go to Long Island next week which gives me 2.5 weeks in a row at home. That has happened only once since March 17.

Good luck with everyones training.

You send a kid to med school and she turns into a comedian. She is very good at destressing.

plutosmyfav

10-17-2005, 10:52 PM

The aliens got me too! I did a 4.6 miler today at an avg pace of 8:46. That's my Qualifying pace (should I ever be able to maintain it for 26.2 miles :earseek: ). I was quite pleased.

Helen-- yes I've got Sandstorm and Darude on my player (compliments of DD)

Cam-- Here are a couple more "must haves" in that (same-ish) genre:

As The Rush Comes In, Motorcycle
Mad World (Club Mix) by Jan Wayne (and others by same artist)
Fiesta de la Noche by O-zone (but Dragostea Din Tei is much better)
24 by Jem

I get that same "gotta get moving" feeling whenever I hear Scooter! I have them strategically placed in my playlists. I've tried them out on friends and family and they just look at me like I'm crazy. (Although these days they look at me like that alot, anyway).

So while you're recovering you can load up your iPod! :wizard: :wizard: :wizard: For a speedy recovery!

As for the baby steps, I notice anytime I focus on getting more steps in I automatically go faster. Great tip!

Well I'm wimping out of the 5Am dark run tomorrow and going after work. DD has Dr apt so I'll be leaving work early anyway. Instead of going back, I'll just go running :teeth:

Sunny

Lisa loves Pooh

10-18-2005, 08:25 AM

gatorphipps

10-18-2005, 09:07 AM

Lisa loves Pooh

10-18-2005, 09:21 AM

Warning! I am going out of Evil Queen mode to encourage!
OK…This is new territory for me! Anyway, it seems like there are a lot of discouraged WISHers out there right now in training. Let me encourage you!
1. This is normal for this stage of training. The newness of training has worn off and the miles are increasing. I encounter this too. And can I hear an amen from the others who have ever run, WOGed, walked, or skipped rope (don’t laugh, I have seen a man do this and he was fast) a marathon.
2. If you are feeling like you will not be able to meet your goal, maybe you aimed too high. Set several goals. For example: 1) to finish in a great time. 2) To finish in a good (more realistic) time. 3) To finish with a smile. 4) To finish no matter what.
3. Like we have talked about, enjoy the journey. The race is actually the “easy” part. Training is the killer!
4. Everyday, think about how fun this is going to be and how great you will feel when you reach the finish line.
5. If you are injured, like Lisa has said, cross train. This will help you not to lose as much. Do not ignore the pain, it will only get worse.
I hope this helps! Please do not quit! We have come too far. And remember, “We do not always get to choose the circumstances we run under”. So just do your best and that will be good enough.
Now I can resume my Evil Queen activities.
Christa

AMEN Sister!!!

I lost the number of times I cried last week after the doctor told me to not run for a week! I am doing deep water running--I will purchase a wet suit if I have to. My knee is much better--I did my 10 miles on Saturday...but did it really as a tester (and against medical advice).

remember last week, all of us were commenting how we felt like we were training for a food eating contest versus a marathon---we are nearing mid-training and it is going to feel at times like you've bitten off more than you can chew.

For half-thoners...you need only get up to 10 miles...and you have until December to build up to that. For fulls--you need only go to 20 miles and ditto..you have another month or so!

If you are cross training--mix it up if you have to....but in one day....you should be matching your times in training--and your intensity!

My teammate last year--rode the elliptical for 2 and 3 hours! Boring as sin, but it can be done. She watched movies. Whatever your training time is (or estimated training time based on your training paces up to your set back)...multiply that pace by the mileage you were supposed to do on any given day--and then whatever they are calling for that you are able to do--work for the calculated amount of time at the intensity your training program needs!

You have until January to throw in the towel! A lot can change between now and then.

Happy training!!! If you are not getting the help you need with current docs--find one who can help you! Get a second opinion! And I am a firm believer in private practice type places for chiropractic and physical therapy! I have proven many times over that corporate is not the way to go as you are a number to be processed and their goal is to make you a functioning person and not a functioning athlete...in the quickest time possible.

I had to see 2 therapists in the spring for my back b/c of this. The corporate therapist--I did not fit the formula of back pain and the woman just did not have a clue in the world. I switched to private practice that had 2 therapists that I agree with their philosophies of treatment--and low and behold...problem fixed!

Don't be afraid to find someone new.

Check the runners world injury forums at www.runnersworld.com . You would be amazed at the type of injuries you can run with--and the ones that you do need to watch and take it easy.

wtpclc

10-18-2005, 09:41 AM

The aliens spit me back out yesterday. :guilty: Can you say stonker? I went with Helen's 10 minute rule and for the 1st time, turned around at 10 minutes. I just don't get it. I thought the new shoes had fixed everything. Felt fine Saturday. Yesterday, my hip hurt, and my knees hurt on top of stiff muscles. I don't know what's up with this. I can't believe I called it quits yesterday, even though I know one missed run will not kill me. I'm afraid I'll turn it into an epidemic, though. Grrrrr.... I'll cross train tonight and hope that tomorrow will go better. Notg iving up or anything, just venting.

Minnie - Hang in there! 1 weekend off will not kill you! Just cross train for the amount of time you think Saturday's run would have been. Do you have a pool you can run in?

eeyoresmom - I thought 5:30 was the lowest time you could put in without having a proven time. If I'm wrong, I may have put 5:00, not 5:30. I just don't remeber. Anyway, I'll be with dh. We'd love a third if you want to fall back with us!

princessmomma

10-18-2005, 09:50 AM

AMEN Sister!!!

Ditto, well said Christa, you too Lisa, well put!

I can reiterate that these feelings at this stage of the training are completely normal. I look at my week 9 of MFM marathon running program and I think, OMG, how am I going to get in all those miles this week? My knees are going to die. Well, I will do my darndest, even if I have to slow down to a crawl for those last few miles in my long run Friday. I have also stepped up my stretching at night and my icing as well. My legs and knees feel much more rested and recovered in the morning when I do.

I saw of physio last week and he told me that a lot of knee problems stem from an imbalance in the muscles around it. For instance, strength training both quads and hamstrings, inner and outer, etc. But most of all stretch, stretch, stretch is the key to keeping knees happy.

Off for my 40 minute tempo run today, 48 degrees here, should be perfect!

Colleen

zoegirl

10-18-2005, 10:02 AM

Good morning all!

I think the best thing (especially if it's your first marathon or 1/2) is to set the goal to finish....and of course HAVE FUN while doing it. You're putting in the time and effort so keep it up!

Week is starting off pretty good. Did 4.5 yesterday afternoon which is good for me b/c I hate running after work. I have no idea what my time or pace was b/c I make a point to not wear my watch for short runs. I get really psyched out about time so on sr days I just get out there and do it.

Opinion time: I'm a little irritated about something and I'm wondering if it's over "nothing" like my DH says or if I really have a reason to be irritated.
Ok, here it goes.....I have a friend that you could say is naturally athletic. He delivers packages all day so he's in constant movement. While we were training for WDW last year he got the big idea to run in a local 1/2 marathon with us with no training at all. Of course to my horror he finished in great time (like 2:06 or something like that) but wished he had trained because he felt like crap afterward. Well now he is getting the big idea that he wants to run in the local full marathon here the first of December of course again with no training.
I don't know why but this IRRITATES me to no end!!!! I almost feel like he's mocking me with it, like he has the attitude that running a marathon is no big deal he can do it without training. I know it's horrible of me, but I secretly hope he fails miserably and that he'll get to mile 15 and bonk hard! I make a point to not even engage him converstion when he brings it up. I just say "Ok, sounds good." Would you be irritated by this too???? Or am I letting it get to me when I shouldn't, which is what DH says.

Must go for now..
~bree~

plutosmyfav

10-18-2005, 10:03 AM

:grouphug: Minnie :grouphug: Carrie :grouphug: and others discouraged :grouphug:

TG we're not doing this alone, huh? I have a love/hate relationship with my LR. I agree with what others have said, if running isn't working or you need to heal an injury, cross train vigorously until you can get back in the groove.

Here's an inspirational quote for the day :sunny:

Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.

Mark Twain

And of course, Disney himself said "If you can dream it you can do it" :flower:

I really think years later the one thing that will matter about this race is that we FINISHED, not how fast we finished. I can't count how many times I've thought in disgust, "whatever made me think I could do this????", but I know I can do it and I'm going to do it, and so are you :grouphug:

Sunny

eeyoresmom

10-18-2005, 10:19 AM

Bree,I know just how you feel :rotfl2: we have a 5 mile race each year in our town that is IMMENSELY,HUGELY hilly.It seems like half the population(most aren't even runners) show up and run it in like 42 min. I've seen people wearing cargo shorts and button up shirts just gliding up those hills! It doesn't make me mad but I roll my eyes thinking I wished I had half that natural talent.I have to train to run anything sub 10:00.Some people are just naturally gifted runners,I'm not,I have to work at it,but that means that it's more of an accomplishment to me. :earsgirl:

wtpclc

10-18-2005, 10:49 AM

Thanks to everyone for the encouraging words!

Bree - That would annoy me to no end! I think, though, that your "wish" may ccome true. I know you do not wish your friend any harm, but a half and a full marathon are very different. I am shocked that he could finish a half to begin with, but a full is a different story. I am very afraid that he will end up dehydrated or losing too many salts or many other things. If he felt bad after teh half, that will be nothing compared to a full. I would ask him to at least read about training for a full before trying it. Maybe that wil put a little sense in him. :rolleyes:

TXBelle

10-18-2005, 11:10 AM

Have to make this quick and get to work. I did 40 minutes of XT today. :) I am back on track! I sure hope it cools off for my LR on Saturday.

gatorphipps

10-18-2005, 11:22 AM

keenercam

10-18-2005, 11:38 AM

Bree -- I'm with you and I would be annoyed, too, but I keep remembering all those posts last week about how the journey is even more important than the actual event and I have to feel bad for anyone who isn't enjoying the journey.

With everything being relative, I have to compare myself to you and DH to that guy. DH isn't following a set training plan and went out and ran a 15K last Sunday. He had done some LRs but not on any set schedule. I was alternately proud of him for accomplishing that with seemingly very little effort, and a little bit annoyed that I am working so hard and following a training schedule and eating the right foods and reading everything I can get my hands on, and I am not able to jog a 5K. I just keep reminding myself that we have to take pride in performing at the best of our abilities.

The fact is that guy may finish the full marathon, and he may be perfectly fine afterwards, and that may be annoying, but so what? You HAVE to be proud of all the hard work and building you are doing -- some people will get through life achieving the same things as we do and with a lot less effort, but in the end, what really matters is that "we" achieved what we set out to do and worked for.

UGH! I am so bad at expressing myself. :rolleyes: I just want you to be proud of how hard you are working. Enjoy the journey and the anticipation.

TiffJ

10-18-2005, 11:53 AM

Well I did my 40 min today w/ a 14:23 pace. Weather has been perfect here lately.

Minnie-you can do this! You still have time, ask your Dr if you can xt while you are recovering and if so you should be fine. You've come this far, dont give up now :cheer2:

Carrie-dont you give up because of 1 stonker. It happens to us all and will most likely happend again. Pushing thru that & keeping up with your program anyway is part of the journey and what helps us improve.

There is no way I could be doing this without you guys. We are here to support, encourage & listen when you need to vent. Venting is good for you, just dont give up! We can't compare ourselves to others who seem to do this with ease. If we did that we might never make it to the start line. Just be proud that you are attempting such a great thing. It isnt going to be easy, that is why everyone doesnt do it, but it will be worth it come January :banana:

Take care of those injuries!!! And remember-just take it one step at a time.

Calcio

10-18-2005, 11:56 AM

Bree

Don't let it get to you. A person who is athletic, always in motion so pretty fit, and young can always make a lot of us look bad.

The Boston Marathon course goes by about 1 mile from campus, and every year a few undergrads train just a little and run it for fun. A few years ago one of our soccer players, a midfielder who could go up and down the sideline all game, but never trained as a runner, ran Boston. The killer is he finished in about 2:55. All I could say was WOW!

I'm still beat to bits from the double last weekend. Calfs, hamstrings, ankles, butt, hips sore. On January 9 I'm really going to be entertaining to watch. I'm sure my wife and daughter will alternate between sympathy and hilarity.

I had my first nightmare about the races last night. I dreamed I was at the start and noticed in had no shoe laces. Bad enough, but with no laces I obviously did not have my chip laced into the shoe. Wails of horror and thankfully I woke up. I hope that's the only one of those.

Cam - do what your body tells you it can do during recovery. Don't push it unnecessarily. You're still 81 days away.

Happy Training.

Craig

wtpclc

10-18-2005, 12:21 PM

I am not giving up. I am just sore and frustrated. I'd be worse if I had issues with the LRs. For some reason, the body likes those better than the short ones. I'm soo confused.

Funny story mostly unrelated to running - I ask dh last night if he wants a shirt. I debate as to weather to take him to the shirt site and show him teh logos separately or just to let him read my thread. Mind you, He's never said a word to me about my obsession with the boards, but I feel kind of funny about it and usually only tell him about the marathon talk and such. Well, I let him see my thread. In my mind, it was like letting him look at my diary.

He looks and decides and then looks at my screen name area. "Is that you?" He was told my screen name once, so he kind of recognizes it. "Yes, that's me" (Please don't see my post count, please don't see my post count....) The next thing he says is, "Did I at least make love number 4?" :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: (See my tags)

I had to explain to him the context of the post and such. I still feel like a heel, but it's so funny. Poor guy. I hope he knows he really does rank above Pooh, Mickey and the Wings. :rotfl:

FYI - We should all feel pretty special that he wants to be identified with us! He would never post in a million years, but I know he appreciates al lof the info that has come from here. (Almost as much as me!)

keenercam

10-18-2005, 12:36 PM

Carrie -- That is SOOOOO cute and sweet and funny! Give him a huge hug!

Craig -- Your dream had me LOL! I can't believe you have any subconscious anxiety about any of this. :hug: Of course, after last weekend, when DS12 blew his significant powerful start at a cross country meet because he had to stop to tie his shoe, I have all sorts of new fears!

I still wish there were some way to tie our shoes and have them stay perfectly tied for every walk/run/wog without the variation every time. I swear there are times my feet are perfectly positioned with no tension across the top and perfectly "seated" at the heel of the shoe and other times my foot is sliding around or they are tied too tight or too loose. Fortunately, on 1/7, we'll be up and about for quite a while before we have to start, so plenty of time to tie and re-tie until it is comfortable.

It is so incredibly gorgeous out today that I am actually craving the opportunity to go out for a wog. Unfortunately, that is not going to happen. :sad: I hope a lot of you have similarly gorgeous weather and can get out to enjoy it. :goodvibes:

wtpclc

10-18-2005, 12:47 PM

I still wish there were some way to tie our shoes and have them stay perfectly tied for every walk/run/wog without the variation every time. I swear there are times my feet are perfectly positioned with no tension across the top and perfectly "seated" at the heel of the shoe and other times my foot is sliding around or they are tied too tight or too loose. Fortunately, on 1/7, we'll be up and about for quite a while before we have to start, so plenty of time to tie and re-tie until it is comfortable.
I hear you Cam! I've had such issues since I switched shoes. My old ones wer not long nough for the long runs, but tyoiung was never an issue. Now that I've gone bigger I've had sooo many issues. Poor dh. I tak an extra 10 minutes postponing our starts these days to tie and re-tie my shoes.

keenercam

10-18-2005, 12:56 PM

I hear you Cam! I've had such issues since I switched shoes. My old ones wer not long nough for the long runs, but tyoiung was never an issue. Now that I've gone bigger I've had sooo many issues. Poor dh. I tak an extra 10 minutes postponing our starts these days to tie and re-tie my shoes.

SOOO glad to hear I am not alone in this respect. :teeth: I knew my WISH buddies would understand the frustration! The funny thing is that most mornings I roll out of bed, dress in the dark, stop in the front hall where I turn on the light to make sure I'm fully clothed by looking at my reflection in the door, and then head out front to stretch and leave. I am barely conscious enough to realize if my shoes are comfy until I am out there trucking along. Then I am reluctant to break pace, pause the Garmin, etc. to get it right. Pathetic! :rotfl:

plutosmyfav

10-18-2005, 01:16 PM

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I still wish there were some way to tie our shoes and have them stay perfectly tied for every walk/run/wog without the variation every time. I swear there are times my feet are perfectly positioned with no tension across the top and perfectly "seated" at the heel of the shoe and other times my foot is sliding around or they are tied too tight or too loose. Fortunately, on 1/7, we'll be up and about for quite a while before we have to start, so plenty of time to tie and re-tie until it is comfortable.

:rotfl2: At my half I decided along with nervous bladder there is a condition known as "nervous shoes". I usually don't pay any attention to how I tie my shoes, I "just do it", but on race day first I worried they were too loose, then I thought, "oh no, wait, their too tight!". Finally I decided they were just about what they always are-- alright!

zoegirl

10-18-2005, 01:47 PM

Thanks for the encouragment guys! I'm glad to know ya'll will jump on a bandwagon with me when I need it :teeth: I think I'll just remain cool about the subject if he brings it up. He might just be trying to yank my chain, and if that's the case I don't want to give in. ;)

Carrie - That is so cute about your husband. Mine reads too but would never post. He's a closet disney lover, although I aim to bring him out! My first attempt will be in 12 days on our anniversary/vacation. :cool1:

~bree~

eeyoresmom

10-18-2005, 01:49 PM

Carrie,thanks so much for the offer to run with you and your husband,that is so sweet :sunny: I 'm thinking I may sign on to run with the Cliff bar pacing group,but I'll be looking for the green shirts! Don't feel bad about your lousy run.Somehow I'm always able to motivate myself for the LRs,but those "nothing special "SRs sometimes do me in too.
Christine

Lisa loves Pooh

10-18-2005, 02:27 PM

Well---it all comes down to the stinkin' MRI.

A moment of silence please

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Okay--that's enough.

Here lies Lisa's knee
It tried to go on a running spree
'Twas not to be since her early teens
To be the superstar she wanted to be

The good news is--though she has a boo boo
If she can run without whimpering a boo hoo
She can do as much as she wants to
Though when she's done, she may throw a shoe or two

The poor little knee--must have a surgery
Whenever for it she becomes ready

Yes--ladies (and gentleman or two)---I have a freakin' complex miniscus tear!

And do you know what's fun--I've had this like forever...so the good news is--running didn't do me in! Surgery is the only way to fix it (walking the next day or so) and I get PT to get me back in running order....but this explains a WHOLE lot of what my knee has been feeling like for years and years and years.

Half is doable--full is my option...I risk my knee locking up if cartilege falls off (gotta love that--NOT).

For now--no PT in the plan and I will deep water train combined with some walking. I posted on the injury forum over at runners world and will see what comes of that.

:)

wtpclc

10-18-2005, 02:43 PM

Oh LIsa. I am so sorry. I'm glad you know what is wrong, but, wow, that's a bummer!

Calcio

10-18-2005, 03:01 PM

Ah yes, shoelaces . . .

At this year's start I'm in the corrals for the first time ever with my lovely wife. We step in about 5:40 and begin the wait. I'm always a bit nervous, so I re-tie both my shoes. We chat a bit, I jump around some, and re-tie both my shoes. We talk about pace, how soon to start, and I re-tie both my shoes. We listen to the DJ, see the Duck, and I re-tie both my shoes. This goes on until about 5:55 when I again reach down to re-tie my shoes. I don't get there, however, as Martha yells, at me, "would you stop that!"

I look at her and say, "after 25 years of marriage you're surprised by this?" Thankfully she said no.

Lisa

I had the same surgery in November of 1999. A feathered and torn meniscus, from years of soccer and wear and tear. It was pretty tender almost all the time, and I did have the knee lock on me, but only twice, and only for a very brief period. No fun, but I was able to run on it with no difficulty up to the day of the surgery. Most people are able to walk on the leg almost immediately after the 'scope (sadly I was not most people), and recover quickly after, so the odds are in your favor both before and after. Just get to January and then you can have it taken care of.

Craig

wtpclc

10-18-2005, 03:18 PM

MelRhoads

10-18-2005, 04:18 PM

Lisa - So sorry about your knee. You can boo hoo all you want!!!!!

Carrie - love your story about your main man!

Cam - Great words of encouragement about being proud of what we set out to achieve.

Sunny - I do the race day shoelace thing too. I have actually bruised the tops of my feet from getting them too tight!

I think I am almost back on schedule. I am going to get all of my runs in for the next two weeks. Since I started training, I've had 2 adventure races and a century ride. I only have one more adv race coming up. I have been counting those as my long runs (not the century ride week, I ran 13 miles on thurs before the ride on sat!) The next adv race is a few weeks away, and it falls on a week when my lr is shorter so it shouldn't be a huge deal to skip. Anyway, it is nice to be sortof back on schedule.

Lisa loves Pooh

10-18-2005, 04:33 PM

Lisa

I had the same surgery in November of 1999. A feathered and torn meniscus, from years of soccer and wear and tear. It was pretty tender almost all the time, and I did have the knee lock on me, but only twice, and only for a very brief period. No fun, but I was able to run on it with no difficulty up to the day of the surgery. Most people are able to walk on the leg almost immediately after the 'scope (sadly I was not most people), and recover quickly after, so the odds are in your favor both before and after. Just get to January and then you can have it taken care of.

Craig

You have no idea how good this makes me feel to hear you say that!!!!

Now a question--in your shoes....which would you do, the full or the half?

Go with easy enjoyment or stick with original plan?

Seeking an opinion only--won't hold it against you whatever it is :teeth: .

Just did 40 minutes in the water. Brrrrrrr! I'm going to need that wet suit sooner than I thought!!!

littlegreydonkey

10-18-2005, 05:22 PM

Hi - Carrie, dont sweat the turning round thing, the run after it usually feels great and so it won't become a habit. In fact, running a miserable run can be more demoralising than skipping one, the most important thing was that you started it rather than just thinking 'I don't want to go' and lying on the sofa.

Lisa: Am v sorry for the loss of your knee, let us know what the scary folks at RW say!!!

Who had the dodgy knee and chiro - perhaps go see a sports physio. Without dissing an entire medical discipline (apologies in advance to any chiro fans here), the whole ethos of chiropractice is to treat the body as a whole entity and therefore their way of treating a problem is going to be very different from a sports physio who will look at the knee as a specific problem, and treat it so you can still achieve your aim. Now sometimes this isn't the best approach, but if you want to run a half marathon in 82 days, sometimes you just want them to fix the knee and sort the rest out in 83 days!!!!

90 minute run for me tonight (7 miles). Can't wait for this weekend, get to drop right back as I'm tapering for a half the weekend after, only going to do 6 miles (shh, don't tell Hal Higdon). Helen

monte

10-18-2005, 06:51 PM

Whew, what a week! I have been walking 30 mins. to an hour all week and on Sunday I walked 8 miles! Monday was a day of rest and today I participated in a hour muscle madness class, which works your entire body. Boy am I sore, but feeling great! Iam sooooooooooo excited about the marathon and meeting everyone. :cool1:

princessmomma

10-18-2005, 07:55 PM

Whew, what a week! I have been walking 30 mins. to an hour all week and on Sunday I walked 8 miles!

Wow! That is awesome!! :cool1: Glad you are feeling great. Keep it up.

Calcio

10-18-2005, 08:25 PM

Lisa

That's a tough question. The fact that you haven't had a knee lock perhaps indicates the loose tissue isn't in an area which would cause it to lock at all. As I said, I had it happen twice, and in each case I was literally just walking and the knee bounced back when it tried to bend. So maybe you'll not face that at all.

Choosing a distance? I think that depends a lot on how much the medal means to you. I'd assume the probability of it locking on any mile is the same, so the chance of a lock during 26 miles is double it would be in 13. If you enter the half and make it, you'll likely wish you'd tried the full. If you enter the full and don't get to 13, then no loss. But it you enter the full and get to 13 okay, then have trouble at say 17, you'll wish you'd done the half.

If the medal matters, I'd go for the half. If knowing you did a half is sufficient, I'd go for the full.

Good luck with your decision. And the best of luck. After the surgery I had discomfort running for a good 6 months, but it completely went away with work and rehab.

Craig

Minnie

10-18-2005, 09:49 PM

Thank you all for the pep talk :grouphug:

I still don't know if I'll see the finish let alone the start line of the marathon this year but I'm not giving up quite yet.

Tonight I managed 3 miles in 36 minutes and managed to slowly jog most of it which is much better than before. Unfortunatley the pain in my right leg has not gone away and seemed just as bad this time out. I'm not quite sure if the pain is from a leg problem or the sciatica problem.

I am going to see a sports physical therapist at the end of this month (1st time available) so we'll see what she has to say. Thankfully she is a triathalete so she understands the punishment that running takes on a body. Until then I am "putting in the steps!" I don't know who coined that phrase but thank to who ever did as it got me through tonight!

Lisa - My fiancee has a similar tear in his knee right now. He was having alot of pain but it has since disappeared. The knee specialist said that as long as the pain has gone away knee surgery is not necessary. Good luck to you Lisa!!!!!!

Happy traning everyone!

aladdinsgirl

10-18-2005, 10:52 PM

The aliens are kidnapping us WISHers....
and replacing us with runners!!!!

Amen, sister!! I don't know what's been going on with me for the past week, but I'm not going to question it. Today I did 35 minutes (r3/w2), I ran 3.29 miles with a mile pace of 10:39. I was very excited!! :banana: So we're leaving for Walt Disney World on Saturday morning, right and Hurricane Wilma is supposed to hit sometime on Sunday. Great. We were booked at the Pop Century Saturday night, but Stephen booked us at the Dolphin so we'll have interior hallways, a lobby, and a little bit more room. We're supposed to check into the Beach Club Villas Sunday morning, I hope we can! :)

Lisa, Minnie, Terri, and everyone else nursing injuries--here's some pixie dust for you :wizard: :wizard: :wizard:. I hope you all can back in the game quickly. Lisa--Stephen swears by pool running, when he couldn't run for 6 weeks because of a knee injury, he did pool running every other day for 45 minutes. He is actually a much stronger runner and is fully convinced the pool running played a big part in that.

Bree--I know exactly what you mean about people like that guy and it annoys me to no end. It drives me nuts that I'm out there 4 times a week running and my PR for a 5K is around 35 minutes, yet there are people who get there with little to no training and finish much faster than me. I always say I wish I were just a few inches taller (I'm 5'1") so my stride would be longer and I could run faster! :teeth:

Carrie--That's a cute story about your husband. My tag says that I love Hines Ward, but Stephen knows that I love him more. :lovestruc

Cam--Good luck with your surgery. I hope the doctor's get everything and that it's not too serious.

I'd love to stay and chat longer, but my pillow is calling my name. Happy training everyone!!

Krista princess:

plutosmyfav

10-18-2005, 11:07 PM

I need help with shirt graphics!
Can anyone take a Photo Shop Pro file (*.psp) and turn it into something that Corel 12 or Adobe Illustrator 10.0.3 can read??

This is the last thing I need to get everything square with the printer. Please pm me or e-mail me with your e-mail if you can help. TIA!

wtpclc@sbcglobal.net

Carrie, I'll talk to the printer. Paintshop Pro can produce about 20 different graphics formats. Corel 12 can import about 20 different graphic formats, there's got to be some cross-over there. I'm a little concerned that the printer is so rigid to insist it has to be Corel 12. Corel 12 is very versatile.

Maybe you've emailed me and I didn't check my email? I check now!

plutosmyfav

10-18-2005, 11:19 PM

Lisa-- I'm so sorry to hear about your knee. But I guess the good news is that it is something that can be fixed rather speedily. Good luck!

Krista-- great news on the alien pace :rotfl2:

Bree-- You could do something very passive aggresive and say to this show-off, "wow, you're truly amazing! I could never run without training the way you can. Imagine if you trained how good you could be? Its a shame you don't have the time to train..." You'd be "dishing it out" and he'd be eating it up :rotfl: But I suppose passive aggresiveness never really solves anything. So I'll tell you what I used to tell DD when people got to her "let it roll off like water off a duck's back". She'd say "what in the world does a duck have to do with it????" So much for Mom's wisdom.

I did an 8 miler on the bike path. I came in short on daylight but luckily brought a pocket flashlight with me. Realizing I messed up on time, I went straight to the pharmacy to get DD's script; sweaty and stinky. While I waited I saw they had a special on protein bars, so I was standing there grabbing one after another until I had a delicate balance of an enormous pile of protein bars in my arms and I realized what I was wearing. When I rushed home from DDs dr apt I quickly changed into my running clothes with only one thought in mind: weather appropriate clothes. Now I'm standing in the brightly lit Shaws, stinky and sweaty, and I notice I'm wearing a purple shirt with hot pink stitching and greenish-gray capris with neon yellow strips down the sides. Just about as mis-matched as one could be. I then realized, "I've crossed over". I looked around and decided, "I'm no longer 'one of them'". I'm not quite sure where I've crossed over to, but its a world where appropriate dress and hygiene are no longer top priorities. Of course for my poor children's sake I will try my best to fake normalcy as much as possible. :rotfl: Then again I was pretty strange when I was a physics student, too.

Signing off now :faint:
Sunny

keenercam

10-19-2005, 09:50 AM

Hi, everyone, and thanks to all for the good wishes!

Minnie - It's great that you were able to get in three miles and your pace sounds great, but I hope you are listening to your body and not pushing too hard. It would be a shame to inflame something. Have you tried aleve? That is what my doctor prescribed for my inflamed sacroiliac joint and I would think that if your pain is related to sciatica, that might help. I'm glad you have an appointment scheduled with someone who understands the rigors of training. Good luck!

Krista -- Congrats on that awesome pace!! :Pinkbounc I hope you and Stephen have a fabulous time in WDW. Have you stayed at BCV before? That is our home resort and we absolutely love it there. It is so beautiful. Here's some :goodvibes: and :wizard: for a Wilma-less trip! Enjoy!

Sunny -- that story is hysterical! :rotfl2: :rotfl: :rotfl2: Don't worry, though, I am sure your kids are so incredibly proud of you that they don't even think about whether mom's clothes coordinate. :love:

wtpclc

10-19-2005, 10:55 AM

Quick shirt update. I will be able to do PayPal for all orders at the rate I gave.

wtpclc

10-19-2005, 11:10 AM

My FL geography is not good, but I'm thinking this one's headed towards Mel's side. Prayers for everyone who could be in WIlma's way!

TiffJ

10-19-2005, 12:36 PM

chimera

10-19-2005, 01:34 PM

My FL geography is not good, but I'm thinking this one's headed towards Mel's side. Prayers for everyone who could be in WIlma's way!

Yeah, we're definitely on Wilma Watch. Right now, it's projected to land south of us, but it's 160 miles wide, so we'll feel something. It's really too early to tell for sure, but I'm thinking I'll move my LR from Sat to Fri :umbrella: THings don't look good for DD12s soccer tournament this weekend. :guilty: Bad part is, if it's far enough north, Orlando and Lisa, Nancy, Bill and Lynnda may be affected too.

:wizard: :wizard: for all of us...maybe it'll just cut through the Everglades and not bother anyone.

plutosmyfav

10-19-2005, 01:45 PM

Sunny-that story is hilarious! One a.m. after I had worked out at the gym (at DH work) DH called me & said DS had forgotten his backpack & I needed to take it to him since it had his homework & lunch in it. Well DS goes to school on the other side of town so I didnt have time to go home & clean up first. I thought I could at least get away with dropping it off at the office for him. Well no-they tell me to just go on back to his classroom & give it to him. So not only did the office staff get to see me all sweaty & gross but his teacher & whole class too!! By this time I decided what the heck & stopped on the way home at a store to run an errand. (I would normally not go into stores like this) So I totally understand where you are coming from. And to think when I was in high school I wouldnt go to the gas station unless I was fully made up princess:

:rotfl: Yes it appears to be a "slippery slope" we've gotten ourselve onto. I was the same way, had to be showered and "presentable" to be seen in public. The other "dangerous" aspect of this slipping is the whole shirt thing. I often find myself thinking "I should be able to just change my shirt right here, afterall I'm wearing a sports bra" but then I realize that "normal" people in a store parking lot would probably look down on such behavior :blush: Then there's the whole peeing in the woods thing (which I haven't sunken to as of yet). Ah, the life of a runner :rotfl2:

Mel :wizard: :wizard: :wizard: Sending Wilma far away from you! Stay safe!

I wimped out of the 5AM run again today. I was really mad at myself because on Weds that's the only way to get my two workouts in (run and weight session). But it turned out to be great. I did lower body weights at lunchtime and then did a 2.5 mile run on the TM. I did 2 miles in 16:38 :cool1: The weight session was one of the best I've had in a while so once again I learned the lesson of rest... It was a very short run, but I got a run in all the same. Its not the getting out of bed that I'm wimping out on, its the fact that there is no good route to run near my house that is really safe in the dark (sidewalks the whole way, etc). I have to keep brainstorming on this.

oh and i meant to say, I did a 60 second burst at 8.6 mph :cool1:

Sunny

zoegirl

10-19-2005, 02:13 PM

:rotfl: Yes it appears to be a "slippery slope" we've gotten ourselve onto. I was the same way, had to be showered and "presentable" to be seen in public. The other "dangerous" aspect of this slipping is the whole shirt thing. I often find myself thinking "I should be able to just change my shirt right here, afterall I'm wearing a sports bra" but then I realize that "normal" people in a store parking lot would probably look down on such behavior :blush: Then there's the whole peeing in the woods thing (which I haven't sunken to as of yet). Ah, the life of a runner :rotfl2:
Sunny

Sunny - soon you'll among the rest of us....peeing in the woods and going to eat lunch/and or coffee all stinky after a run is a right of passage for a runner. As for the mis-matched clothes...you're own your own there, matching is an obsession of mine ..... ;) Looking cute on race day is a toal MUST! :rotfl:

Krista - I'm so jealous you're going to the "World" but I'm on the 11 day countdown, so get Mickey all prepped for me :teeth:

Did cycle class last night and today is my rest day before our 8 & 16 double long runs tomorrow and Friday.

For all you guys possibly in Wilma's path, I am praying for you....I know everyone is so tired of these hurricanes. I really hope it slows down before it hits the gulf.

Until later,
~bree~

WDWFAN9

10-19-2005, 07:42 PM

BIG DOGS, Little dogs, ......any pups out there?? :dog2:

I have been mostly lurking on this board since January and am so impressed with all the athletes on this board. You are truly inspiring! But is there anybody else out there who isn't at the 16 minute pace yet?

I have been walking regularly since January, about 10 miles per week, training to train, until the 14 week mark for MFM. So...I am following the schedule to walk the half, but still haven't made it to a pace to avoid the sweepers. I am starting to get concerned. Been thinking about switching to a W/R combination, but at 50 yrs old I want to be careful. Did anyone complete the half last year just walking?? Anybody planning to "just" walk the half this year?

I am so excited about earning a Donald Duck medal! Gotta be sure that I avoid the sweepers!! Thanks in advance for any words of wisdom.

NYcpa

10-19-2005, 09:15 PM

Pat - I am 53 and using the MFM book to train with. I can walk about a 16.5 min mile outdoors. I can't walk that fast on my treadmill because it doesn't go below a 1% grade. I was able to walk faster on the treadmills at the gym which start with a 0% grade. I am hoping to get where I can walk at least a 15 min mile but just finishing in the allowed time is the first priority.

I have thought about trying to put a little jogging in the mix but will wait until I have been walking and cross training more consistently. This group is great with the encouragement. We can become online training buddies if you want. I skipped last nights cross training but intend to do the walking on the treadmill tomorrow night. Monday night treadmill consisted of 5 min warmup, 30 min walk and 5 min cooldown. I only managed 2.15 miles so I was slow. Will need to work on getting faster.

WDWFAN9

10-19-2005, 09:20 PM

Hi Kathy,

thanks for the encouraging words. I have found this group to be so inspiring. Last Jan I was a confirmed couch potato, and now I am so much more active. Of course WDW is true motivation! Just the thought of crossing the finish line in Disney is enough to give me goose bumps.

TammyNC

10-19-2005, 09:43 PM

Pat-I completed the 1/2 last year with only walking. I went really slack after I signed up last year and didn't exercise, etc. like I should have but was determined to give it a try. You can do it and if you are that close to the 16 min. mile already, you will be fine.

keenercam

10-19-2005, 10:06 PM

Pat -- As everyone keeps telling me, we still have 11+ weeks to train, and you are very close to your pace already, so just keep doing what you are doing and keep up the hard work!

That being said, I moved up my 30 minute walk + speed/form drills from tomorrow to today because of a big commitment tomorrow night (our family was named Family of the Year by Special Olympics for our state and we'll be honored at the "Night of Heroes" tomorrow night for our commitment and volunteerism.)

So, tonight, I did a 5 minute warmup and 30 minute walk at avg pace 15:24

Then speed/form drills:

1 minute at 13:52 2 minutes at 15:21
1 minute at 14:16 2 minutes at 15:51
1 minute at 13:29 2 minutes at 15:49
1 minute at 13:23

I know I did some stuff wrong, and I had some problems because some of the "intervals" weren't on straightaways. But I am pleased to see that the "speed" parts were good paces. I am really going to work on improving that stuff. Overall, I did 2.95 in 45:00 (15:15 pace overall). Wish I'd remembered to "lap" after the warmup 5 minutes to see the pace without that, but this is good. I'm pretty pleased. I hope everyone else had a good day. Sunny -- isn't this your mid-week LR?

Minnie

10-19-2005, 10:49 PM

To those of you that said be careful - YOU WERE RIGHT!!!!

Unfortunately I was in high discomfort during the end of the run and by this morning I could barely hobble to the shower. I took several pain killers and by mid day/early evening I was back to being comfortable. Now this evening the upper thigh area is tight again and the outner knee is aching once again :guilty: so I'm off to soak in a hot tub.

Tomorrow is a planned training day and I'm not sure what to do. I don't know if this is something that I can run through or not :confused3 I sure don't want to loose 2 weeks of training to wait to see the physical therapist. I've got another chiro apt tomorrow so maybe that will help :rolleyes:

Happy Training Everyone :earboy2:

MelRhoads

10-19-2005, 11:05 PM

Welcome Pat!!! So glad you decided to post. Keep up the hard work!

Crosstrained tonight. Took the boy to gym and he played in "the room" aka childcare, while I swam 1000 mtrs. Then we played together in the pool. He was worn out in time for bed!!!!! YEA!!!! Bree, we saw no naked strangers and I was determined not to be one!!!! Escaped the locker room without any birthday suit incidents!

Tomorrow is long run of 14 miles. I am still a little fatigued after this past weekend's adventure race, but I think I just try to take it easy on the pace. I am, of course, running with my external commando, EC, so the easy on the pace idea may not be an option. I have firmly decided to walk the water stops as I think that will help distribute the muscle work. Because of this, EC is bringing her big ol' dog to run the first 7 miles with us. He actually stops to "make water" amoung other things!! I will probably try to cross train again friday by pulling the boy around the historic military park with the bike. I am thinking about taking pics as the leaves are beautiful and then i can show you guys one of my favorite places to workout!

Tiger Lily 03

10-19-2005, 11:15 PM

I am so sorry that so many of us are dealing with these aches. I wish for all to make it through in a good way.

I am among those on the list too. Working with that achilles tendonitis. Have some script anti-inflamatories and going to get new shoes tomorrow. Have my inserts and doc said to lift them up a bit more with 1/4 inch heal pad under the inserts. I have not done anything since Sunday. Not sure if I can work in a XT on elliptical...if that will work, but I am still optimistic that things will work out. I know I have been working hard and that this time away will not keep me down.

You travelers going to WDW, hope you have a good trip.

You FL folks, PD your way.

I love that things are starting to come together for us.

Welcome to Pat. You can do this. Being 50 is a great way to celebrate with this event. Congrats to you. I am older and still trying to catch my breath over trying to do "the big one."

xterratri

10-19-2005, 11:26 PM

Yes, MelR, if you can pull the boy, you can certainly carry a little bitty digital camera to take pictures for those of us not fortunate to have seen the sun in a while. If we hadn't went to WDW for Columbus Day weekend I would be going absolutely bonkers at this point.

:wizard: For the FL residents and those that will be visiting. Hopefully the storm tracks south and misses any heavily populated area.

Did 40 minutes moderate/hard today, 4.27 miles. Didn't feel great but not too bad either. It's a very lecture/mtg intensive week with 7 hours M, 11.25 hrs T, 8.5 today, then 8 Th and F. And it's a fairly intensive week on the training program with 6 workout days. I thought about going and doing my long run with the Maine Track Club group Sat morning but they start at 7 am sharp and its about a 45 min drive. I have a deep suspicion that Sat morning my strongest desire will be to sleep in so I'll probably run my 12 by myself along the coast. I have to accomplish a lot academically this weekend since this week will be mostly a wash and the following weekend I'll be in DC for a conference and to work medical at the Marine Corps Marathon.

Time for bed. Good job everyone with your training and here's to many more alien moments.

TiffJ

10-20-2005, 09:02 AM

Pat-just keep up the good work, you're doing great. As someone here said-just signing up & training for this thing is awesome by itself. My mom is doing this with me, she's 64 and she is walking the entire thing. It hurts her knees too much too jog. Although her pace is much better than mine. She started out in better shape than me. I'm working hard so I dont get left in the dust by a 64 yo Nana of 11 :rotfl: And dont forget that even 1 week when you are training can bring great improvements!

Cam-Congrats :cheer2: :cheer2: That is so awesome, you should be very proud of yourself & your family. You guys must have helped out with some pretty great things to get that award.

Minnie= here's some :wizard: I hope you get better soon!!

Keep up the good work everyone!

plutosmyfav

10-20-2005, 10:10 AM

Welcome, Pat! I know there were lots of WISH walkers last year and there will be lots of walkers again this year. You are doing great! I'm so glad you joined us :grouphug:

I am thinking about taking pics as the leaves are beautiful and then i can show you guys one of my favorite places to workout!

Wow, great minds run on the same track! Just yesterday I remembered we had talked about posting our routes and I decided I was going to bring my camera on the BP so I could show y'all my beautiful training grounds. I thought it would be nice to put together a scrap book with bibs, and picts, too. My BP is getting quite beautiful with the leaves, too. However, night running is out. The leaves and pine needles make it impossible to see where the edges are at night. There are no lights on the path and the flashlight didn't quite cut it. :(

Lynn-- you don't have sun yet? We got ours back. Its quite nice today. I'm scheduled for an 8 miler today but my knee thinks tomorrow might be better so I think I'll switch and do upper body weights today.

aladdinsgirl

10-20-2005, 11:06 AM

Okay, so what do you guys wear to run in the rain? Do you just wear your regular cool max clothes and get wet or do you wear some type of jacket or hat? It's pouring rain today, which is fine because I don't have to run today, but tomorrow is supposed to be more of the same. Stephen has to run 12 miles and I'm doing 4, I can do mine on the treadmill if I have to, but there's no way Stephen can (or is going to) run 12 miles on the treadmill. I guess all this rain is preparing us for Wilma! :umbrella:

I ran (well r3/w2) 35 minutes last night, it wasn't as fabulous as Tuesday, but it was close. I ended up doing 3.24 miles with a mile pace of 10:50, not too shabby. I really need to work on holding back some energy so that my individual miles are about the same time. I think that's going to be my biggest struggle with running the half.

Pat-- :wave2: Welcome! So glad you could join us. This is my first half marathon too. I plan on running a majority of the half, but I will be walking some too.

Sunny--Your story made me laugh. Running is definitely effecting me too. Until August I never even owed a t-shirt, now I have 3 race t-shirts and I wear them all the time. Even out in public--GASP!! :earseek: I figure I worked hard for these t-shirts and daggone it, I'm going to wear them!! :teeth:

Cam--Congrats on your award!! That's really awesome.

Minnie--Take care of yourself!! You have plenty of time to let your body heal and train for the marathon. :wizard: :wizard: to you!!

I'll try to post tomorrow night after my 4 miler, but if you don't hear from me for a while, don't think I'm dead. We'll have a laptop with us, so I may try to check in. I'll tell Mickey hi for you all and let him know that he needs to get the parks ready for us Wishers!! :cheer2: :banana: :cheer2: :banana:

Krista princess:

plutosmyfav

10-20-2005, 01:33 PM

Krista-- I bought a "water resistant" coolmax or climlite longsleeve pullover that worked really well. I'm pretty sure it is made by Danskin. It was cold enough that this thing didn't swelter me. If the air temp is warm I just get drenched. My "bottom half" gets drenched either way. Last Spring I tried running with an umbrella. I only tried that once. I wouldn't recommend it!

Well its jello arms :teeth: I can feel the heat radiating from my shoulders as I type :cool1: I also did rowing to add to the jello effect.

Sunny

Jodi

10-20-2005, 02:16 PM

Alladins girl - I'm sooo jealous - hope Wilma doesn't ruin it.

Minnie - Take it easy on your body, maybe take the weekend off. Do you have access to a stationary bike? Try that, it always helps me when my knees hurt.

Pat - Welcome - keep training the way you are. The sweepers won't have a chance.

Ok guys, you remember my knees hurt, but I've still been able to run/hobble, blah blah blah. Well, I went to my massage therapist/accupuncturist on Sat. & holy COW did he put me thru the ringer!

Not only did he stick needles in my thighs & calves (good paid, kinda), but he stuck needles on either side of my right knee. There is no way to describe exactly what that felt like. Right below the knee cap, on either side, where it's indented & it feels like there is bone there? Yep, that's where he stuck 'em. Now mind you, they don't hurt going in, but once he hits the spot that needs fixin'...that's a different story. He told me what was causing my knees pain was the connective tissue between my tibia & my knee or whatever. All I know is I near jumped off that bed/board thing. I broke out in a sweat instantly & cursed him up & down. He laughed & said "you're lucky I know you...using that kind of language..." I said "No, you're lucky I know YOU, otherwise I'd be off this table punching you out!"

End result, my knees were better Sun. Mon I ran 40 mins. & they were very stiff. Tues. on the bike @ the gym they were fine. Still kinda sore up & down stairs, still stiff. Yesterday they were practically pain free (rest day). This a.m. I ran my 40 mins (10 min miles) & right now as I typed this they are pain free. Unbelievable. This guy rocks!!

He told me to heat them as much as I can, especially after I run. He said no ice unless they're swollen, or hot to the touch. You need to keep the area heated to keep the muscle/area open to get rid of the lactic acid. Drink water, water, water. And in the p.m., I take an ibuprofen 5 mins. b4 heating them.

Phew, I may just be able to run this 1/2 after all. Sorry to ramble, guys, but I'm so excited with my lack of pain. Don't get me wrong, they're not 100%, buy they're a heck of a lot better than the last 4 weeks. Oh, & he told me to start taking Glucosamine Sulfate/Chondroitin, stat! I was never sure about that stuff, but he says YES.

Ok, I'm done. I hope all of you down south stay out of Wilma's path. This is getting a little ridiculous, no?

Jodi

princessmomma

10-20-2005, 03:47 PM

He told me to heat them as much as I can, especially after I run. He said no ice unless they're swollen, or hot to the touch. You need to keep the area heated to keep the muscle/area open to get rid of the lactic acid. Drink water, water, water. And in the p.m., I take an ibuprofen 5 mins. b4 heating them.

Jodi

OK, this is the second time someone mentioned heat. So what is it heat or ice? How can I tell if my knees are swollen? They are always swollen because I have fat knees!! :confused3

Advil, heat, ice??? When, where, how long? :confused3

I completely agree on the water, water, water...

Colleen

MelRhoads

10-20-2005, 03:54 PM

Lynn and Sunny - I just realized that I may not be able to pull of my bike ride/pic fest tomorrow, because I my cleat from my shoe got stuck in my pedal on the last 20 miles of the century ride. I am ok with changing my flats..., but I couldn't get the cleat out and I don't have a backup screw for the one I lost :guilty: I might be able to sweet talk them at the bike shop to get them to help me so I can ride tomorrow. I can't ride my mt. bike because I can't hook the trailer up b/c of the disc brakes!

Ran my 14 mile long run today. I started incorporating walking every 1 1/2 miles (like water stops). Pace was really slower than I am supposed to be going 10:37. We also stopped for a long time at EC's house to drop off her dog, use the potty and eat cookies! What? It's true!!! They were snack wells! With the long stop our pace would have acutally been more like 12:00/mile, but I'm thinking I won't have a coonhound or cookies at disney!

Hope everyone has a great weekend. I'll try to post route pics if I can get them tomorrow. Rock climbing this weekend

kaf7878

10-20-2005, 04:29 PM

Haven't hit the boards in a while but glad I did today--it was just what I needed. I, too, have been having the running blues. I ran 7 miles this morning and nearly dies (well, not really but it was no fun). Throughout the whole run I was trying to figure out a way to "get out" of the doing the marathon--am I pathetic of what! Anyway, after reading that lots of you are feeling the same, I feel somewhat better or at least normal!

Hopefully my next few runs will go well. Oh, anyone have bad lower back pain after running?? Mine hurts! I've never had this before, even training for the half last year. I have one of those menstrual heat pads on it and it feels better but just wondering the cause??

gatorphipps

10-20-2005, 04:46 PM

Hey all! Heat ice, Ice Heat.......The question is:
OK, this is the second time someone mentioned heat. So what is it heat or ice? How can I tell if my knees are swollen? They are always swollen because I have fat knees!!
Advil, heat, ice??? When, where, how long?
This depends on what you want. Heat increases blood flow to the area and Ice decreases it. I have always heard ice after a LR then heat several hours later. This is what I do and it normally works. You do not want a lot of blood flow to a hurt area at first. The ice stops swelling.......This is all I know. :rotfl:

Did 8 miles today with DH. Love to run with him. :lovestruc He has a very busy schedule and this gives us a chance to talk. Plus I get to look @ his cute legs. :cloud9: Feel GREAT! Took it nice and easy. Was one of those perfect runs.
This is double LR week so DH, Bree and I will run 16 tomorrow. Send us lots of :wizard: :wizard:.

Oh......almost forgot! :confused3 Went road bike shopping today. Yea, I learned that running is a cheap sport! :teeth: I have the option to spend anywhere from $630 to $4000 on a bike. :earseek: This does not include the shoes, and other cool stuff I just have to have. I do have a mountain bike I can start training on.....but will have to get a road bike ASAP! DH is making me save my money for it so no credit card debt. :rolleyes:

Christa

gatorphipps

10-20-2005, 04:51 PM

OH....One more thing! :cool1: I GOT NEW SHOES TODAY! :cool1: They are SO cool! Blue, white, and orange! So retro (SP?). They may last me until the marathon so you all can see them.... :rotfl:
Christa

MelRhoads

10-20-2005, 05:40 PM

Evil Queen - Save as much as you can. You will be happier with the better bike!!!! Don't get the bottom of the line. I did, b/c I was self-employed and the main man was in residency (no $) I rode it for about 3 years, but I definitely needed to upgrade! You might ask your LBS when the new year's version comes out, then they can get you last years model/closeout for a few hundred off! Then you can use the $ you saved on shoes, pedals.... and your other cool stuff. You might ask lynn about whether you should just go ahead and get a tri bike. You might find a closeout already as they are a little more specialized. Since you a probably using it for tri's, it might be the way to go!! Did I mention that biking will clearly make you cool? :smooth:

Rockclimber

10-20-2005, 06:16 PM

Went road bike shopping today. Yea, I learned that running is a cheap sport! :teeth: I have the option to spend anywhere from $630 to $4000 on a bike. :earseek: This does not include the shoes, and other cool stuff I just have to have. I do have a mountain bike I can start training on.....but will have to get a road bike ASAP! DH is making me save my money for it so no credit card debt. :rolleyes:

Christa

Hey Christa,

I see you are shopping for a road bike. Have you checked out some of the online deals? Let me say, some of them are great. I am all for support our local bike shops, but the price difference is significant. Some online suppliers include Flyte, Leader and Motobecane. The frames are the only difference from what you find in the local shops. Several months ago I bought a bike from Airborne online. I was very hesitant, but they have been great. They were actually bought up and became Flyte. I paid $1190 including shipping for a aluminum frame Thunderbolt, carbon fork, selle saddle and FULL BRAND NEW ULTEGRA 10 groupo. You can't beat that at all. The local shops often mix components, and in order to get anything Ultegra you will pay at least $1700. I figured even if I hate the frame, the components alone are worth $1100. I could always upgrade the frame later. If you are like me, and have chamagne taste on a beer budget, step back and consider. On of my riding buddies just changed his specialized comp allez to a leader frame and loves it also. For that matter a lot of the frames are made in the same Korean plant, but are just slapped with a different sticker.

It seems like you see either older guys or true cycling studs going out and dropping $4000 on a bike! If anyone thinks a $4000 bike will make them a faster or more efficient rider the are nuts. Get out there and train, that's what makes you good. I have another buddy who runs 2:50 marathons. You should see this guys bike. It is as old as dirt and heavy as a house, but he can kick some booty. In fact the helmet he wears has the shell nearly ripped off and has a total of two vent holes in it. I think it is a circa 1970 helmet. He look so funny. But good luck staying on his wheel!

Thats ... My two cents!

Dave
www.thejacksonfour.com

Lisa loves Pooh

10-20-2005, 06:45 PM

OK, this is the second time someone mentioned heat. So what is it heat or ice? How can I tell if my knees are swollen? They are always swollen because I have fat knees!! :confused3

Advil, heat, ice??? When, where, how long? :confused3

I completely agree on the water, water, water...

Colleen

It is supposed to be ice. Jodi just has an exceptional situation. You will most always be in MORE pain the next day if you use heat.

TXBelle

10-20-2005, 08:51 PM

The aliens have gotten me too! Today I ran 3 miles. Yes, I said RAN 3 miles. That is the farthest distance I have run in my life. I walked the 1/2 marathon last year (Yes Pat it can definitely be done!). I have been training this year using walk 3/run 2 intervals, but today I decided to just run until I couldn't run anymore. I just kept running. What a turning point in my life! I am a runner! :goodvibes

Tomorrow is XT on the bike. Saturday is my LR-7 miles. I am committed to going the distance this weekend. :moped:

xterratri

10-20-2005, 09:05 PM

Ah discussion about my real love- bikes. Yes, you can save money buying online but... I wouldn't do it for your first real serious bike and if you are going to race tris with it. Why- because the number one most important thing about a bike is fit especially for an aero position and that is something that can be a challenge to figure out by yourself. In addition, the generic size runs for the online bikes are made for males. I'm only 5'4" but my inseam is longer than many close to 6 ft males. (And then there's the body weight issue. I don't need a bike engineered to take what a 180 lb guy is going to dish out.) That means my upper body is short so I am real particular about top tube length. If you are leaning toward a tri bike rather than a road bike(there are some definite pro/cons to that approach), you should check out InsideOut Sports. They are based in one of the Carolinas and I know that they have left over model year specials as they are listed in their ads in the Ironman NA monthly newsletter. Some LBS(local bike shops) give better deals than others too. I was looking at Trek's Project One site updated for the 2006s and my bike is up to 4800 now MSRP. The MSRP when I got it was actually over 3800(not sure exactly 'cuz mine was customized further) but I paid about 3100 for it. If you want to lust over something go to rooworld.com and look at the Caliente- I have a very nice Quintana Roo tri bike and I still drool on my keyboard looking at that bike. I currently own a Trek Project One Madone SL road bike, a Quintana Roo Private Reserve Compact tri bike, a Jamis Dakar Pro mtn bike, and a Kona Smoke commuter bike.

Okay back on topic- Nat and I did 45 minutes easy tonight after school. She had never done over 35 min before so it was a good run for her and just what I needed for the training plan. So you don't say I'm picking on 'weaker' runners, she's 9 years younger than I am and hasn't had 3 major knee surgeries so I think that evens it out. We headed out about 5:40 or so and it was rather dark when we got back. I did wear my hi-vis reflective vest but we realized the darkness issue is only going to get worse with the clock change. Yes, Sunny, the sun did come out here today but when you're in class from 8-5... We ran the beach road first so we got to see a lovely sunset/sky over the ocean and then ran the wooded road in the dark. I do have pictures of this area where I live, go to school, bike, and run but don't know how to post them.

We were a little late getting started because I talked to one of the undergrad girls who runs cross country for the school(she's co-pres of the new bike club ;) ) and she told me about a marathon end of Feb. in Hyannis. If I run at all well at WDW and maybe stand a chance of running a Boston time, I might consider doing that. Something you might want to think about too Sunny.

:wizard: :wizard: for the injuries and the Florideans.
:cheer2: for the people who need a little motivational boost. Amazingly enough, I'm actually finding it easier to make myself get out there and am running faster than I have since prior to my third knee surgery. I thought I had lost that bit of 'speed'(hey, turtles have speeds too) forever with that surgery.

xterratri

10-20-2005, 09:13 PM

:banana: :banana: :banana: One for each mile- congrats TxBelle.

Bree or Christa, I forget who brought it up: So I have this classmate, real all around athlete, former collegiate quarterback, great shape, etc. He runs on occasion but not a consistent training plan. He did the ME half in 1:52 and thought it was a challenge. I don't know when he signed up for it but he attempted the Mt Desert Island(Bar Harbor/Acadia National Park) Marathon last weekend. Yes, attempted. His previous longest run had been the half and he was walking by mile 20. One of our other classmates(she actually trained) got him through to 23 when she finally went ahead and he dropped out. She ended up with a 4:50 out of it. She had finished a couple minutes behind me at the half so I was curious about her time to gauge how I might do but after hearing the story of the race her time didn't help much. He was also moving VERY gingerly and slowly for a couple of days. So maybe the guy that's bothering you will figure out for himself that a marathon is a very different beast.

TiffJ

10-20-2005, 09:59 PM

O.K. all this bike talk has gotten me interested again. I in no way want(or ever will) become a real competitive triathlete. However that Danskin tri has piqued my interest. I figure I need something after January to keep me off the couch & moving. (just being healthy isnt enough for this former couch potato)

Do you suggest starting with adult swimming lessons? I know how to swim but I havent had any lessons since I was 7 so I probably need help with form, etc. The swimming portion(distance and yucky water) is what I am concerned about. And holy cow those bikes are expensive :earseek: It sure isnt cheap trying to be healthy!!!

Today was my off day so nothing to report on the training front. I have been doing pretty good about eating healthy too, that is until I had to make cookies tonight for DS school party in the a.m. (I had to make sure they wouldnt make the poor kids sick right?)

crzy4pooh

10-20-2005, 10:25 PM

Hello all! DS and I have the yucky virus that's going around, so my running/walking has been side-lined for a couple days. My heart rate is definitely elevated, and I don't want to make this sinus stuff worse - no fun! DS had a fever of 103 today (his highest ever), so any prayers/pixie dust would be greatly appreciated!

As for the bike discussion... I definitely want to do the Danskin tri, but I know NOTHING about bikes! DH and I have been talking about getting bikes, but I don't even know what I'm looking for. We have a LBS that carries Trek - several people have recommended them to us. What exactly is a "tri-bike"??? How is it different? I know there are road, mountain, and hybrid bikes - how did you know what you wanted??? (Can you tell I have no clue about this???) :blush: Please help! Where can I find more info? Thanks!!!:teeth:

:grouphug: to the rest of the Floridians. I think we may be out of the path of Wilma, but you never know until it hits... :grouphug: also for those dealing with injuries!

Happy training!!! :cheer2:

Tiger Lily 03

10-20-2005, 11:31 PM

crzy4pooh, Sorry about the virus thing there. Take it easy.

TiffJ, I think I would enjoy WATCHING the event. If I ever participated, it would be on my cruddy Wicked Witch of the West bike. Oh what a sight I would be!
:rotfl2:
I enjoy hearing you talk about your bikes. You sound so "free" when you do. Be careflu running out there in darkness.

TXBelle, Yay for aliens!
:Pinkbounc :Pinkbounc :banana: :banana:
Lisa loves Pooh :wave2:
Rockclimber :wave2: good to see ya jump in here.

MelRhoads, you have gret advice. Great training plan there too. Run with dog. Drop off dog. Eat cookies. Mmmmmm

gatorphipps, Yay for new shoes. They should be in great shape by the time race day comes around.

kaf7878, good to see ya moving on. Yep, seems like wa are all at the same place. It will get better, really. Back pain, do you work in a Pilates routine. That may be very helpful to that pain. I have found it improved my difficulty there. However, still have issues, it's diagnosed as Arthur-itis. Sigh.

Jodi, all I can say is ouch! Glad it all seemed to do the trick for you though.

plutosmyfav, all I could think of was "Mary Poppins" when reading of the umbrella run.

If it is raining, I layer according to temp and muddle through the puddles. I got new shoes today too! I tried on 4 pairs and settled on the Sauconys. They are 3D Grid Triumph 2 and silver/white/blue. They were the best fit of the bunch I had. It is a neutral shoe as the style recommended by the podiatrist and I have the orthotics ready to go in with the heel lift and hope it will ease up my discomfort some. Taking the anti-inflamatories and hoping for the best. I know it is not recommended, but I will be delaying the LR one day as I am going out of town to to visit my friend Sat and won't be back til Sunday. Hope to get something in on my return. Maybe the extra rest days will do me good. I haven't had any run time in so hope it will all work out.

I wanted to add that I entered a drawing at the store where I bought my shoes. It was DIVA night there and they had several opportunities for prizes. One was a paid entry into a triathalon here in August. Wonder if I won that?
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl: :rotfl: THAT would be funny!

PD for those in the path of Wilma.

What's up with the rest of the team?
:wave2:

Rockclimber

10-20-2005, 11:37 PM

Ah discussion about my real love- bikes. Yes, you can save money buying online but... I wouldn't do it for your first real serious bike and if you are going to race tris with it. Why- because the number one most important thing about a bike is fit especially for an aero position and that is something that can be a challenge to figure out by yourself. In addition, the generic size runs for the online bikes are made for males. I'm only 5'4" but my inseam is longer than many close to 6 ft males. (And then there's the body weight issue. I don't need a bike engineered to take what a 180 lb guy is going to dish out.) That means my upper body is short so I am real particular about top tube length. If you are leaning toward a tri bike rather than a road bike(there are some definite pro/cons to that approach), you should check out InsideOut Sports. They are based in one of the Carolinas and I know that they have left over model year specials as they are listed in their ads in the Ironman NA monthly newsletter. Some LBS(local bike shops) give better deals than others too. I was looking at Trek's Project One site updated for the 2006s and my bike is up to 4800 now MSRP. The MSRP when I got it was actually over 3800(not sure exactly 'cuz mine was customized further) but I paid about 3100 for it. If you want to lust over something go to rooworld.com and look at the Caliente- I have a very nice Quintana Roo tri bike and I still drool on my keyboard looking at that bike. I currently own a Trek Project One Madone SL road bike, a Quintana Roo Private Reserve Compact tri bike, a Jamis Dakar Pro mtn bike, and a Kona Smoke commuter bike.

I totally agree that fit is the number one most important thing in cycling. But I disagree seriously about not buying it online. A reputable shop can do a custom fit on any bike, provided the frame size is correct. We have some fantastic bike fitters in Charlotte. The best guy is at The Right Gear in Concord, but T-Lo or Dan at ultimate are also good fitters. (Bree and Christa). For that matter Bree's FIL is a Tri guy, he can vouch. If you are a beginning cylcist the slight variances in geometry really are insignificant. Basically compact geometry is compact geometry. I also disagree about getting a tri specific bike as your first serious bike. A road geometry bike can be set up for tri's, it may not be perfect, but certainly good enough for the vast majority of riders. Heck Giant frames only come S, M and L. But most do come in more specific cm's. Get a LBS to size you.They will be able to tell you what size frame fits you. Tell the online company what bike you were sized on and they will be able to adjust. Why would a bike company not want to put you on the best bike for you? They will size you. When you get the bike the LBS fits you to the road profile. There is much more versatility in road profile. Definately easier to learn pedalling efficiency and correct body position. Plus, no group ride will ever let you get on your aerobars. That is sure to get you booted out of the group. If you decide the road bike is going to be used for tri's, you can use a profile fast forward seat post with a separate seat and a set of clip on aerobars. Get your LBS to refit you for a more tri specific positioning. Then you pop on the seatpost/seat combo (already set up by the LBS) for single rider training or races. Most beginers are only going to be doing sprint length tri's, which are, relatively speaking pretty short. A tri bike should only be for those dedicated to doing tri's, not someone just starting out riding. It is very true that positioning for tri bikes is different; with your body more forward, using more quad and saving more hamstring for the run. But for a beginner, they need to think about pedalling efficiency (scraping mud off a curb, or rolling a log) and back straight, leading with the chin, big lungs,... all those things cycling coaches tell you.

The biggest gains in any endurance sport come from fitness and efficiency, which comes from training. Anyone that spends $3800 on their first bike to get the tinie tiniest advantage needs to take a good look at their training and fitness. Is this bike going to give me the advantage I am looking for or is it my fitness and training that is actually holding me back? Now if you are Karen Smyers (43), those tiny advantages really matter, but who of us is ever going to do Ironman Hawaii in 9 hours and some odd minutes?

Sorry, I had to defend my positon.

Dave

MelRhoads

10-21-2005, 12:01 AM

I cannot let the bike debate go on without adding my two cents..... So here it is. CHIRSTA.. Did you know that riding a bike automatically makes you a cool person? IT DOES!!!!!!

Speaking of being cool.. I forgot to tell you what me and EC did at mile 12 of 14. We always run by the Jr. High. So today on our way back, we see the cross country coach out with her kids training them. The CC coach is also one of EC's main competitors so of course EC is speeding up to look good. This is killing me!!!!!! EC is the marathon queen and I am a turtle. Then we run by the band. They are honking out a shaky rendition of twist and shout. Now being from the ferris buhler generation, this could not be ignored!!!! First we start march/running then we progress or digress to singing the words at the top of our lungs (I thought I was going to pass out from lack of oxygen by that point) By the time we get to the "ahhhhh, ahhhhh, ahhhh" part, we both had our hands in the air waving them. I think the band was very impressed!!!! After we had some time to review our actions (which still make me smile) I remembered that we have to run by the jr. high every week :confused3 and that we live in a small community where no matter how fast we run, we can't outrun the consequences of our behavior. OH WELL..... Maybe the Jr. High kids will just know that us older gals can have fun too!

gatorphipps

10-21-2005, 12:20 AM

Melissa - Oh I am laughing so hard at your story! :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

I want to be a cool biker too! Thanks for all the advice from everyone! You guys and gals are AWESOME! You are the big :dog: bikers!

Why can I not sleep? :confused3 I have 16 miles tomorrow :earseek: and I am up posting. I guess I better get in bed. I have to get up around 0500 to get the DDs off to school b/4 LR @ 0800! Yes it takes that long to get them, me, and DH ready for school and LR. Oh we also always have a BIG family breakfast! :love: And I thought being a parent would be easy! :rotfl2:

Christa

xterratri

10-21-2005, 08:44 AM

I wasn't arguing for a tri bike as first bike. As a matter of fact, I put down the pro/ con thing because frankly I would argue against it. But if you are going to put clip on aero bars on a road bike, you better make sure the effective top tube length is short enough(possibly by swapping out stems) so that the handling of the bike is not thrown off by putting too much weight too far forward. The comment about short course tris is correct, I raced 3 this fall with the Trek and no aero bars. But the long course stuff next year, you better believe will be on the Roo Baby. Of course, I have goals such as dropping times and more ambitious ones related to the Ironman Collegiate National Champoinship and Hawaii. I may not be Karen Smyers and have only been nationally ranked on the Xterra off road circuit but that doesn't mean my racing doesn't matter. In addition, when I help people bike shop around here, I tell them they can get an excellent bike to grow with between $1000-1500. Of course, budget and quality matter to most of the people that are asking. BTW, my bikes are actually relatively cheap compared to some of the people I ride with.

So using the LBS to size you and then ordering online, I have a problem with that ethically but that is my personal opinion. Yes, there are places that you can pay for the service but that $150-200 plus the lack of follow up service rapidly eats into the cost savings. Most LBS do a year or more of follow up service. Would I buy a bike online? I've looked at it in the past- if I could have justified the additional cost of the Titus(yes, it was MORE) over the Jamis, I would have. Road bikes- I've looked at Airborne but they wouldn't fit and ultimately I ended up deciding I wanted full carbon. It really boils down to what you feel comfortable with. If you decide to buy online after careful examination of your LBS options, check out Colorado Cyclist and their Douglas house brand bikes. They seem like you can get a lot for the money, their customer service is knowledgable, and they publish geometry.

Someone asked how a tri bike is different- is really a geometry issue. The seat tube angle is steeper(bottom bracket or where the cranks attach to seat) and that is supposed to move you a bit further forward over the petals and therefore be a bit of leg saving to run afterwards. The other big geometry issue with a dedicated tri or time trial bike has to do with safety. I mentioned above being careful about getting too much weight forward. A road bike is designed to have most weight distributed over the seat and then down through the axis of the head tube and fork. A clip on aero bar puts your weight on your elbows but your head and more of your mass is further forward than a regular road riding position. A tri/TT bike has a different head tube angle that helps somewhat with this weight shift. There are some debates about 650 v 700 c wheel sizes. 650s accelarate quicker and are nice for a smaller athlete but Lance rode 700s so... The other major difference visually is the handlebar set up such as drop bars plus clip on aero bar on a road bike or less expensive tri bike or cowhorn bars with an aero bar with the shifters at the end of the aero bars. Yes, this affects the aerodynamics but also has to do with comfort level with the brakes and shifters separated and at the ends of the bars. I didn't buy a tri bike until I started racing long course events but that was partly a monetary choice. If you can own just one, most people suggest a road bike.

wtpclc

10-21-2005, 09:12 AM

Revised!
Shirt orders due 10/24. I will send them to the printer first thing Tuesday and send out PMs with final cost and payment details.

solotraveler

10-21-2005, 09:36 AM

Good Morning Everyone!!

My apologies for not checking in sooner this week-- but sadly, there was not that much to check in about. I have been pretty lax about my training for about a week there, so there's not too much to report. It's great to see everyone doing so well and it's great to see so many new faces around here!!! :wave2:

Wednesday, I got back in the game and ran a very very ugly 48 min (3 run/1 walk). Underhydrated, poor eating, couldn't get my head in the game... you name it. So I pretty much spent all day yesterday trying to psych myself up for my long run this morning.

This morning, I got up at 5:15am (a remarkable feat in and of itself) and did my long run of 12 miles (3 run/2 walk intervals)-- or as I like to call it: Run to the G-Flo. ;) (Upon arrival at the Grand Floridian, I promptly wanted to book a room and lay down for a nap. :teeth: )

I finished in 1:55.07, so the average pace was 9:35 min per mile. :banana: I'll take that for sure!!!

A few lessons learned:
1. I need to SLOW DOWN at the start. I split my first two miles at 8:36 and 9:10. WAY too fast running 3/2.
2. I need to stretch before I do my runs from now on. I got very sore/tight at the 10 mile mark.
3. PowerGel every hour works well for me. However, I do need more water, I think.
4. I realized when I finished that I could have hung on and finished the half with no problem. I also realized that I could probably have finished the full 26.2 if I had wanted to. It would have been hard and it would have been ugly, but if I HAD to, I could do it. That is huge for me.
5. Little dogs are far meaner and more territorial than bigger dogs. (At least in my neighborhood).

I should get to icing now. Good luck with those long runs this weekend. Stay healthy, stay safe, stay warm.

Happy training!
Solotraveler :earsboy:

plutosmyfav

10-21-2005, 10:07 AM

Heather-- You ROCK! Congrats no the longest run ever. That is soooo exciting :Pinkbounc :Pinkbounc :Pinkbounc

MelR-- that is toooo funny :rotfl2: I'm going to have that song stuck in my head all day (and a smile on my face)!

I remember my Mom warning me to be careful of teh people I hung out with, because their habits would rub off on me. Well I should have listened more carefully. I have a feeling it won't be too long before I'm out pricing bikes! I am totally clueless. I read your detailed posts and it sounds like a foreign language. But I'm intrigued and curious to this strange world of which you speak! Maybe next Spring...

I am taking 1/2 a day vaca today to get a midlength run in (8 miles) and prepare for our big party tomorrow (DD 16th, DB 26th, DM, 61). Its at my house and I'm doing a turkey dinner. Woo hoo, should be fun. I want to have as much done as possible today so I can still get my LR in tomorrow. Should be 16 unless the IC pulls a fast one.

My butt hurts :blush: I told you I had a terrific lower body weight session on Tuesday and I'm still paying for it! A couple of weeks ago I stepped up my highest weight on the leg press to 460 lbs for just a few "gingerly" reps. Well on Tuesday I did a full 12 reps at 460lb, after doing 190, 270, 360, and then did the reverse pyramid back down to 190lbs, plus all the normal lunges, squats, etc. I am really feeling it now. But I am PSYCHED, I haven't made a big breakthrough in weight for a long time. I am doing a little "grunt" everytime I stand up!!! We'll see how the legs like it on the BP today. I brought my camera so picts should come soon :flower:

Sunny

plutosmyfav

10-21-2005, 10:16 AM

Shirt orders due 10/31. I will send them to the printer first thing Tuesday and send out PMs with final cost and payment details.

Thanks, Carrie

I can attest this has been no small undertaking!!!!

Sunny

MelRhoads

10-21-2005, 10:27 AM

Back to the bike discussion, I am not going to be able to ride mine today because it is raining. In addition, the body has spoken!!!! I'm really stiff and sore today :confused3 Maybe that is because I did the 12 and 1/2 hour adventure race on saturday and still got all of my running and cross training in by THURS!!!! NOT COOL!!! There is a big rock climbing gathering this weekend at a climbing area near here. We try to go every year, so I'll rest today so I can climb badly without being sore this weekend ;)

So, Sunny, that means no pics today. I will take them next time I go. I may have to take them next time I mountain bike (did I mention I'm terrible at mt. biking?) Anyway, that is a cool trail too. It is fun to ride it then run it, it's just not my favorite.

Solo - YOU ARE FAST!!!!!! I cannot even imagine how fast you run on those intervals!!!!! Way to go!!!! At least the little dogs can't open their mouths big enough to really hurt when they bite.

Lynn - on the xterra races do you mt. bike? If so, you must be a brave person. I fall every time I mt. bike. I have come to the conclusion that if I don't fall, I was probably not being aggressive enough. Usually I ride like a chicken after a fall!!! I took a fall on the adventure race that we decided to call a sido. I was going down a big gravel hill when I got off balance around a curve. I fell toward the inside and of course could not clip out. I fell on my right side and ended up with the bike on top of me! The guys on the team (including my husband) must have been pretty impressed with the fall because they told our support guy about it at the next transition. The bruises are really starting to come out now. They are not going to be pretty. My legs are all scratched up by thorns from the trekking section. Phil looked at me 2 nights ago and said, "wow, your legs look rough, but your toenails are so pretty." I had just painted them to cover up the fact that one had turned black and is going to fall off!!!! :flower:

The boy is demanding attention. I'm suprised I can type with 35 pounds sitting on me and a realistic looking turtle climing up my chest!! Have a great weekend everyone!!!!!!

TXBelle

10-21-2005, 10:30 AM

Hooray Sunny! At this pace, you will log your 1,000th mile next week! We must have a party! :cheer2:

For all you female cyclists out there, there is a great forum at http://forums.teamestrogen.com. There are tips for beginners and answers to every question you can imagine about cycling. It is the disboard of female cycling. Everyone is friendly and very helpful.

I did 30 minutes on the bike at the gym this morning. Still trying to get in training for the MS 150 bike ride from Houston to Austin next April, but it is difficult to train for a 1/2 marathon and a 180 mile bike ride. MelR knows all about this!

Here's my plan for 2006: Disney 1/2 marathon in January, MS 150 bike ride in April, Disneyland 1/2 marathon in September, and Disney FULL marathon in January 2007. (When the aliens return my former self to earth will try to explain to her that she really is an athlete?).

It's Friday everybody! Good luck to everyone on their LRs this weekend.

keenercam

10-21-2005, 10:46 AM

Melissa -- Your story about running past the band had me :rotfl: You guys are so great!

Christa -- Hope you got a good night's sleep. I was up when you were and thinking -- "oh, yeah, like I'm going to get up and go to the Y on the way to work to xt!" Ha!Ha!Ha!

It's funny. All this talk of bikes hasn't tempted me at all. I am such a klutz that wogging is about as much of a challenge as I can handle right now! :teeth:

I LOVE hearing about everyone's training. When I am struggling to do my very minimal walking or wogging, I keep thinking of Lily's "You have to put in the steps." and I think about how much more distance everyone else is doing. It is very reassuring and encouraging to me! :goodvibes: Tomorrow is LW of 4 miles. Actually looking forward to it, if I can bring myself to go in the pouring rain. :umbrella:

wtpclc

10-21-2005, 11:14 AM

Woo Hoo Solo! I'm so glad you do yours on Firday, so I can feel a little more confident about my LRs! Your pace kicks hiney, though! Wow.

Sorry I've been rather absent lately. Things have been busy. Wed and Thursday were better than my Monday stonker, but I hthink I pulled a muscle in my hip. IIt's better, though.

:wizard: to all for tomorrow's LRs! (Sendign some to myself to. :blush: )

plutosmyfav

10-21-2005, 11:30 AM

Good Morning Everyone!!

A few lessons learned:
1. I need to SLOW DOWN at the start. I split my first two miles at 8:36 and 9:10. WAY too fast running 3/2.
2. I need to stretch before I do my runs from now on. I got very sore/tight at the 10 mile mark.

Those are all good lessons. Number 1 is so key and so hard! Imagine how hard it will be on race day. All the more reason to practice is now.

I just learned number 2, too. I have to admit, up until a couple of weeks ago I never stretched before any run. I always stetched after LRs but not short ones. Now I am the stretch queen. There's something about when the mileage starts to pile up that you intuitively know you need to stretch.

About little dogs, I'd add: pound-for-pound little dogs are more powerful and more courageous. :pug:

That's all I got for now :earboy2: I really should be working...........

wtpclc

10-21-2005, 12:03 PM

Arghhh... WIsh I knew what day it was. Please note that I edited my above shirt post to match earlier statements.

Shirt orders due 10/24. Payment will be due 10/31.

KeenHo

10-21-2005, 12:07 PM

Hi everyone! Sorry it has been such a long time since I've posted. You all have not been out of mind. I have been pre-occupied with my search for employment and althought I have been active, I haven't posted. I missed it!

I started keeping stats on my fitness efforts since July 11, 2005 building towards the Disney Half in January 2006. Here is what I've accomplished since July 11.

Ran 104.84 miles
Walked 55.46 miles
Cross-Trained 45.4 miles
Biked 129.32 Miles
Weight Training 510 Minutes

This year I've participated in nine (9) 5K events, one (1) 5 Mile Race and most recently a 15K (9.3 mile) Race. Here are my times....

Kelly's Logan House, March 5, 2005, 5K, 30:24 9:49
Wilm. Montessori School, March 19, 2005, 5K, 27:43 8:55
Ronald McDonald House, April 21, 2005, 5K, 30:21 9:48
Chichester Bus. Association, June 25, 2005, 5K, 29:09 9:22
20th Annual Firecracker, July 4, 2005, 5K, 28:19 9:08
3rd Annual Kahunaville, July 23, 2005, 5K, 27:26 8:51
10th Operation Smile, August 10, 2005, 5K, 27:33 8:52
11th Rockford Park, September 3, 2005, 5K, 27:26 8:51
A. Red Cross Relief Fund, September 28, 2005, 5K, 26:26 8:31

Spring Lake 5, May 28, 2005, 5 Miles, 48:45 9:45
Wilmington Distance Run, October 9, 2005, 15K, 1:23:05 8:56

The 15K event was my longest organized distance ever! I was able to complete the 15K race without stopping and beat my expected time by 10-15 minutes. During the race, I kept track of my 5K and 5 Mile times. I set PR for the 5K and beat my best 5 Mile Race time by over 5 minutes, 30 seconds! :cool1: :banana: I experienced little or no pain during the race, came in 181st out of 231 runners and could have definitely continued on and completed a Half-Marathon distance.

Keenercam (Cam) and I are going to participate in another 5K event at the end of the month. I'll keep you posted on my progress as I continue my training for the Half. I am looking forward to meeting all of you!

By the way, I've dropped close to 15 pounds during the training and dropped from a 38 waist to a 34! I've gone from a XL Shirt to a Large. I haven't been this size since high school (I am 42 now).

Howard
::MickeyMo

Rockclimber

10-21-2005, 12:24 PM

So using the LBS to size you and then ordering online, I have a problem with that ethically but that is my personal opinion.

I respectfully disagree. A LBS doesn't size someone with the presupposition they will buy a bike from them. That is like going to a Trek dealer, getting sized a 54, then going around the corner to another bike shop who has Specialized and telling them, "I feel it is unethical to buy a bike from you because the guys at the Trek shop sized me." A good LBS will want your long term relationship/business. They want you to come in and buy accessories and such, get your bike serviced at their shop. Besides, buying a bike online will still mean you will need to be fitted at their shop. A full fitting is $90-$125. What I am saying is don't count out online deals from reputable companies.

Food for thought: Some of the best surfers in the world are virtually unknown. They don't compete. They simply find joy surfing and not in ranks and titles or the prestige that accomanies them. We often need to ask ourselves honestly, "Where is our love found?"

Dave

wtpclc

10-21-2005, 01:38 PM

Just finished sending out my shirt PMs. If you did not get one. I don't have you down. Please PM me.

Holy cow Howard, you have been busy! :wizard: for the job search!

Minnie

10-21-2005, 02:35 PM

Last night was a no go as it was pouring down rain :umbrella: and my sciatica and knee hurt like u know what :guilty: The pounding I did to it the other night didn't help the situation out one bit :blush:

I have a chiro apt this afternoon so we'll see what he has to say. It hasn't quit aching since yesterday even with the pain killers. If he can make it better I plan on a lr of 4mile on Saturday.

:wizard: everyone please!

Good luck to everyone on their lr this weekend :cheer2:

solotraveler

10-21-2005, 02:37 PM

Carrie- Glad I can be of motivational assistance :teeth: Fair warning for tomorrow-- it's supposed to be COLD! :cold: Gosh knows it was this morning!

I don't know about my pace though. I got a fancy wake-up call recently courtesy of my 14 year old brother: Never particularly athletic, he decided to pick up cross country when he started high school in September. Seven weeks later-- he's the fastest freshman runner at the County Championships. His pace for the 5K: 6:40/mile. We're all very proud of him, but I feel O-L-D. :guilty:

Pluto- You would think that with my fancy Garmin that pace wouldn't be a problem, right?? Since next week is a "step back" week on my program, I think I will try and really watch my running pace more closely to see if I can do better with it.

Seriously falling asleep here, so I'm off for coffee! :)
Solotraveler :earsboy:

wtpclc

10-21-2005, 02:52 PM

His pace for the 5K: 6:40/mile. We're all very proud of him, but I feel O-L-D. :guilty:
Yeah, I used to be fast. 5:41 best mile. Broke 7 min pace on the 5K a couple times. :rolleyes: I did a 9:30 2 mile when we started theall run plan. Later that morning, my father told me he was doing 7:30 miles on 5k's when he ran. Did I mention he was in his 40s then? :rolleyes:

No one in my family will have a better marathon time than me, though! :goodvibes

Minnie - lots of :wizard: :wizard: :wizard: :wizard:

plutosmyfav

10-21-2005, 03:43 PM

Heather-- I should break 1,000 miles tomorrow :cool1: Thanks for noticing :)

Howard-- glad to see you've been busy :moped: Great job on all those miles and races!

I'm just back from my run. Well, today was one of those few and far-between PRD (Perfect Running Days) so my 8 miler turned into 10. It was just too beautiful to turn around. I decided I am not following a prescribed training schedule, I just can't force myself to do it.

I took tons of pictures, I couldn't wait to get back an "paint" a picture of my bikepath for you. Much to my amusement, every picture looks exactly like the one before :rotfl2: Ok, so I'll just post a few and you'll know what the whole 11 miles looks like. There are subtle nuances that apparently only can be seen en route!

Oh, and my pace was great considering I was stopping constantly (I took about 20 pictures). 10 miles avg pace = 9:20. I'll post my splits 'cause the last 3 were awsome :p

Minuteman Fitness Path (I think that's the official name) Starting point (Bedford, MA)
http://livinglively.com/clipart/bp1.jpg

Basically what the rest looks like (with the exception of Lexington and Arlington Centers)
http://livinglively.com/clipart/bp2.jpg

Milemarkers (oh, these baby's have great significance to me!!!!)
http://livinglively.com/clipart/bp3.jpg

The backside of Lexington Center (really only "ugly" part of path, but very significant as the upper right hand corner points out)

http://livinglively.com/clipart/bp4.jpg

More of the scenic route :)
http://livinglively.com/clipart/bp5.jpg

Splits:

1 8:58
2 9:30
3 9:49
4 9:33
5 9:07
6 9:28
7 10;48
8 9:03
9 8:42
10 8:37

avg pace: 9:20

Sunny

chimera

10-21-2005, 04:04 PM

Wilma's here...we're getting the first rain band right now. :umbrella: I skipped cross-training today so I could do my LR since I didn't know what the weather would be like for tomorrow...oh well, guess the LR will have to be tomorrow after all. :blush: I may be getting plenty of cross-training this weekend if we decide to board up the house :teeth:

Sara...welcome :wave: What type of training are you doing for the Goofy?

Sunny...the photos are wonderful! Thanks for sharing them. Anyone else? My route is too un-scenic for photos, though I occasionally see some gators and an armadillo.

Carrie...thanks for taking care of the shirts! It's getting more and more exciting :goodvibes

Solo...how cold is cold? :cold:

Howard...great times on your races!

MelR...perhaps you could repeat your performance for us during the marathon? We could get the band to come ;)

:wizard: :wizard: pixie dust for all the sore spots and injuries amongst us.

MelRhoads

10-21-2005, 04:20 PM

Sunny - great pics! That seems like the perfect place to run because it is beautiful and there are places to get yummies. My favorite places to workout are places were I can see and chat with other athletes. I noticed a runner in one of your pics! That must be great to see like minded folks. Next time, get him to take your pic and then we can get a shot of you in your favorite place.:flower: I'll have to get some to post soon.

I'm having a lazy day today! The boy is being quite in his room. I think he is actually napping. I am planning to join right in!

wtpclc

10-21-2005, 04:27 PM

Solo...how cold is cold? :cold:

Wayyyyyy too cold for you. HAven't looked at tomorrow am temps, don't want to, but it was 54 degrees when we left the house at 6 last night. Time for the long tights and getting close to long sleeves.

Must have been VERY cold for solo this morning!

keenercam

10-21-2005, 04:44 PM

Sunny -- Thanks so much for sharing the pictures. I'd be so inspired if my wogging locales looked like that. Mine are all concrete, but with my vision issues, I guess it's good not to have to look for twigs or branches or roots or bumps. :sad:

For all our friends who will get rain from Wilma -- stay warm and dry!

Mel -- I hope you won't be getting that kind of cross-training this weekend! :hug: :goodvibes: :wizard:

wtpclc

10-21-2005, 04:56 PM

Yes, ;lots of Prayers and Pixie dust to all who may be in WIlma's wasy! :wizard: :wizard: :wizard: :wizard:

eeyoresmom

10-21-2005, 04:58 PM

Minnie, :wizard: :wizard: :wizard: for you,stick with it,I was out of the training loop for almost three weeks with my quad injury and thought I would really lose ground,but I didn't.I took one easy 3 mile run to see how I felt then jumped right back on schedule.Don't lose hope!I haven't posted in a while because I have been chasing my dream job,which I got!!!!!! :cool1: I'm behind on everything though,still haven't booked a resort for the marathon and I'm usually a compulsive planner.For you guys talking about the weather turning cold,yesterday I left the house for a 5 mile run with shorts on and a long sleeved tee.(it was 50 degrees out)By mile 2 I thought I would die of heat stroke so off came the shirt.(which I stashed behind a tree to retrieve later),Wouldn't you know, I turned the corner and realized I had to run by at least 20 construction and town workers(part of the road had washed away last week) in just a bra! I had to do some strategic arm placement,if you ladies know what I mean :rolleyes1 .Oh,well,just wanted to wish everyone luck on their LRs.

Christine

solotraveler

10-21-2005, 05:29 PM

Solo...how cold is cold? :cold:

This morning? Upper 30's :cold: I need to get thinking about a very cold weather/snowing training plan. I have a sick feeling I will be running a lot indoors in December :guilty:

I tell a story about my very first Michigan winter after growing up in DC-- I was all ready for the cold and the snow. I thought it was cool. I was ready for a White Christmas. I could handle a White Thanksgiving. But when they started talking about the possibilty of a White Halloween?!!?!? :earseek: :faint:

Which brings up an interesting question for all of you runners who live in cold weather climates: How do you handle very cold/snowy days? And how cold is too cold to run outdoors?? Just looking for a little advice. :)

Solotraveler :earsboy:

princessmomma

10-21-2005, 05:42 PM

)By mile 2 I thought I would die of heat stroke so off came the shirt.(which I stashed behind a tree to retrieve later),Wouldn't you know, I turned the corner and realized I had to run by at least 20 construction and town workers(part of the road had washed away last week) in just a bra! I had to do some strategic arm placement,if you ladies know what I mean :rolleyes1 .
Christine

LOL! Christine, yes, wouldn't you know it!! For me it is the dreaded city workers too. They never seem to be engaged in work, so ample time to "check" the situation.

Sunny great pics. I wish I had a running path like that! I too am battling the concrete, hilly jungle on my runs.

Had my 14 miler LR today, the first 10 felt good, the last 4 weren't pretty. :crazy2:

I am resting and icing like crazy, but butt and ITBand really hurt.

Solo, great run! I grew up in Canada, so I know cold. You just need to get yourself one of those full face mask toques or wool cap thingys. I don't know what they call them down here. BTW, when icicles form below your nostrils, you are still good to go another 4 or 5 miles!!! :wave2:

Heather, great run!! :cool1: :cool1:

Colleen

wtpclc

10-21-2005, 05:44 PM

solotraveler

10-21-2005, 05:53 PM

When they tell you to keep your animals indoors. It's too cold! We have no alternative to cold, so I'm really hoping it does not get bitterly cold until after Christmas. By then we'll be on taper. We should be ok until then.

Oh please, oh please Santa, this is what I want for Christmas. Please keep the bitter cold (and snow) from West Michigan until.... well, mid-January would be nice. :teeth:

Solotraveler :earsboy:

KeenHo

10-21-2005, 05:53 PM

Thanks everyone for the comments! I am feeling great and looking forward to running/walking/wogging with everyone in January. :grouphug:

TiffJ

10-21-2005, 06:11 PM

:wizard: Wow- my computer is down for the day & I sure miss out on alot! Today was xt did WATP 3 mile tape. I love each week how certain things are getting easier.(not easy, just easier) I'm not sure I can even keep up with all the posts I've missed.

Minnie-take care of yourself & hope the chiro can help you out :wizard:

Yes this so called free pastime of mine is starting to cost more & more. Well of course the only "big" races I want to do are at WDW and now it looks like I might have to buy a bike,take swimming lessons, etc. I agree with Sunny, all that bike talk is like a foreign language. It's kind of like listening to DH talk about work(he's an engineer) all I hear/understand is blah, blah, yadda, yadda, blah, blah. But I am definately interested in the Danskin.

I've been pretty lucky with weather. Here in the "deep south" this is getting to be prime training time. Humidity way down & much cooler temps. We hardly ever have any bitter cold & even when we do it's in Feb & would still be warm compared to MI.

Christine-congrats on getting that dream job. I know that will make everything in your life more fullfilling.

Now on the subject of the Danskin-I finally told my best friend I was considering it(she already thinks I've lost my ever loving mind) My biggest concern has been swimming. Distance and having to swim in yucky green water. Well she brought up something I hadnt even thought about. What about gators & snakes in the water? It is FL after all :earseek:

Good luck to everyone on their LR. Mine has gone back down to 3 miles. No prob!

Pixie dust to those who are trying to get better! :wizard:

littlegreydonkey

10-21-2005, 06:29 PM

Ooooh dear - It's 10.30am Saturday morning my time and I am not out running I am sitting at my computer reading about eveyone else running. You know when they say don't mix wine and beer - well I now know why. Joke is, I only drank the beer as I wasnt intending on ending up with a hangover, but then someone ordered a bottle of wine with dinner, and now look at me! I also missed my 4miles on thursday -think this is the worst training week of my life!!! I'll get there tomorrow though, figure so long as I do it the day doesn't matter. Keep up th e good work eveyrone. Helen

Minnie

10-21-2005, 09:04 PM

Back from the chiro and my backside hurts as he said I have a pinched nerve in my rear end :blush: and something or other that basically is a bundle of nerves that often makes runners hurt. All those who said I was nuts to take up running I am sure are :rotfl2:

Oh well he said that it wouldn't hurt to give running a try tomorrow and see how it feels. I was told to soak in a tub tonight and stretch run stretch and ice after the run tomorrow. All I can say is this pain better ease soon! I have another apt Mon morning so we'll see how it goes.

As far as :cold: weather it will be a chilly one this weekend. Lows in the 30s highs in the 50s so I will be wearing a longsleve coolmax and shorts or yoga pants. I imagine that I will have to break down and by those runner tights before too long (I like the idea someone said of layering a windsuit over top because there is no way I could wear them alone!

Tiger Lily 03

10-21-2005, 09:41 PM

The backside of Lexington Center (really only "ugly" part of path, but very significant as the upper right hand corner points out)

http://livinglively.com/clipart/bp4.jpg

Sunny :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: Loving the RH tag. I think it would indeed be a significant location there. :teeth:

Everyone keepin' on keepin' on. These struggles will ease up. --I hope-- :sunny:
Anyhow,
Those pics of your path are great. It is similar to the beauty I have on mine. I could go out there every day. :love: I am glad that my path is soft b/c if not I probably would not be able to do what little I can. Still taking time off. We are visiting my friend near Cincinnati OH tomorrow. Will be back Sunday when I hope to put in a LR. I'm seeing doc on Tuesday.

Helen, I'll take over for you tomorrow. Having beers is what is going to be happening.

crzy4pooh

10-21-2005, 09:42 PM

Now on the subject of the Danskin-I finally told my best friend I was considering it(she already thinks I've lost my ever loving mind) My biggest concern has been swimming. Distance and having to swim in yucky green water. Well she brought up something I hadnt even thought about. What about gators & snakes in the water? It is FL after all :earseek:

The swim for the Danskin is in the seven seas lagoon (what you cross when you ride the ferry to Magic Kingdom). It is a man-made lake - no gators, and I certainly hope no snakes! :eek: Last year, they put out blue and red markers that you had to swim between. They also have "swim angels" - people on kayaks that will help you around if you need them. You do have to deal with seaweed :crazy2: and icky water, but it's not supposed to be that bad (from all the women I talked to). I am terrified of the swim, so I took lots of notes! :blush: I'm so excited to have another goal to aim for after the marathon, though. We can do it!!! :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2:

TEK224

10-21-2005, 10:17 PM

Great pics, Sunny. Yeah, I'd be stopping by Starbucks! :)

Howard - Congrats on your races! I noticed you skipped the month of May. If you're looking for a good race, there's one in Philly called the Broad Street Run. It's a ten-miler, mostly flat, heading down Broad Street from the north end of the city to the south end. It's always held the 1st Sunday in May (May 7, 2006).

Got back to training today. have not worked out all week due to quad strain. The motrin is helping. Did 60 minutes on elliptical today, then iced. Feeling pretty good right now.

Terri

keenercam

10-22-2005, 10:42 AM

Did 30 mins xt last night (first 2 miles of WATP 3 mile powerwalk, with weights).

Did my 4 mile LW this morning:
1st mile (including warmup) -- 16:29
mile 2 -- 15:19
mile 3 -- 14:41
mile 4 -- 14:49

Not bad. I was tired, but not spent. Tomorrow is a "rest day" -- what a joke! We'll be on the go from 7 am until after midnight when we await the release of SAT scores.

Minnie

10-22-2005, 01:57 PM

Cam - :wizard: on the SAT scores!

As for me, I will not be doing my lr today as I woke up this morning and could barely hobble to the shower. The chiro did a number on my yesterday :guilty:

I am taking motrin and using heat/ice to calm the area down and will hope that Sun will be better for the lr. I am determined to get it in this weekend somehow.

:wizard: :wizard: to everyone on their lr this weekend!

xterratri

10-22-2005, 02:27 PM

:wizard: on the SAT scores for your daughter, Cam.
:wizard: :wizard: Mucho PD for the Floridians and those vacationing there. A significant percentage of my school is in Orlando this weekend through next week for the AOA and specialty Mtgs but some people chose not to go due to the weather forecast. I had decided back in Sept not to go since I'll be in DC next weekend.

Did 12.28 miles today and realized that the marathon is only 4 longer runs away following the MFM run program. I have pictures of the coast but not sure how to post them. No surfers out(so no fist fights) at Fortune's Rocks today. The ocean was actually about as flat as I've seen on the open rather than bay side. We've had frost the last 2 mornings and I actually ran in tights today. I am going to need to get some more winter weather workout gear but it'll overlap with what I cross country ski and winter bike in.

Triathlon swimming- yes, adult swim lessons are a great idea if available. Another option is a master's swim team/group workouts(website search for USMS and it'll list nearest team/pools). I've never encountered nasty living critters(ie snakes) in the water because I let the faster swimmers scare them off for me. I have seen fish, most recently at the race I did Labor Day weekend, and vegetation is frequent. The neatest thing I saw in the water was one year at Lake Placid. The swim is 2 1.2 miles laps and there is a line about 6-8 ft down in the water that follows the buoy markers so it's a great course to swim. When I made one of the turns to head back in I was looking down and someone waved at me. They had scuba divers in the water(in addition to the rescue boats above water) and the one at this location was waving to the racers. Most races have a rule where you can hold onto the kayaks/rescue boards out on the course to catch your breath and settle down before continueing as long as you make no forward progress.

I've heard awesome things about the Danskin series including the fact that they have an officially designated 'last place finisher' so no one who enters the race will ever be last. I can't justify the distance and cost of travel to do a sprint distance at Disney World so alas I won't be doing it. However, the Florida Half Ironman the following weekend(May 21st) is another story completely and I finished making the VWL part of the ressie yesterday. It was supposed to be 3 nights out of an 8 night trip to maximize our APs which expire May 29th but my school may move the clinical decision making course from june 12-30 to may 15-june 2. Based on the existing schedule, we have from May 12-June 12 off and that was the assumption I was working under when I committed to the race and started planning the family vacation. Academically, I would prefer to have the CDM course done and over even if it does mess up my Disney plans. I would still go down to due the race though and and also planning a weekend trip for the Minnie Marathon. I just can't pass up a race called Women Run the World. :teeth:

Keep training hard and :goodvibes for the injuries.

WDWFAN9

10-22-2005, 04:05 PM

Hi All!

I just finished my MFM scheduled 4 mile walk, at just under a 17 minute pace. While I am not at the 16 minute pace yet, I feel like I am making progress.

I was marking my calendar with the MFM distances and realized that during my upcoming WDW vacation I have a 4 miler on the day DH and I arrive (not a problem since we don't plan on spending the day at one of the parks anyway) and an 8 miler on the day before we come home. YIKES!! The last Saturday of our trips is always a very full day in the parks, hitting all our favorites one last time - DH tried to tell me that I will be walking a ton that day, but I told him that wandering the parks is not the same as walking the distance in a sustained manner. Hmm, I am going to have to come up with a plan!! Maybe circle the World Showcase a few times, and then walk along the water to MGM and back...anybody know how far apart Epcot and MGM are off the top of their head?

I don't know about anybody else, but I am really starting to get excited about the half. And I am looking forward to meeting my all fellow WISHers.

Lisa loves Pooh

10-22-2005, 05:20 PM

T It is a man-made lake - no gators, and I certainly hope no snakes! :eek: Last year, they put out blue and red markers that you had to swim between. They also have "swim angels" - people on kayaks that will help you around if you need them.

I so hate to say this--but just wanted to correct a general Florida rule. Any body of water can have an alligator.

But rest assured--if they are going to let a bunch of people...women at that...into their water...they'll be making sure the area is secure.

It has no gators b/c it is well monitored ;)

Lisa loves Pooh

10-22-2005, 05:31 PM

Ok--did a 12-miler today...which will probably prove to be against medical advice.

It was a great day...A little bit of aches at one point--slowing my pace helped with them.

Pace was 12:49.

Date with the orthapedist is on Monday weather permitting. Right now--for where I live the weather forecast is for 50 mph "sustained" gale force winds. Schools are cancelled for Monday.

I have been given an extension on making my race decision. I was give the "super secret" drop-dead date of when they will be faxing all the stuff to Disney. It buys me an extra week :).

I purchased new inserts today to help give me a little more shock absorption in the shoe. :)

gatorphipps

10-22-2005, 05:51 PM

Hey all! Looks like everyone is doing a little better this week!

xterratri - love to hear about your upcoming races and such!

Keenercam - Seems like you had a great LW. Your splits were awesome! Keep up the good work.

As for me..... We did the double LRs this weekend (8.4 miles Thursday, 16.5 Friday). I feel great today. The runs were almost easy. We slowed down the pace a bit (until the end where I sprinted UP Morehead :banana: - very steep 1.2 mile long hill @ the end of the run :earseek: ). I cannot wait until I run on the flat area in WDW! Anyway...I have been a bit tired, but not sore at all. In fact, DH, DDs and I went swimming at the YMCA. I did laps while he played with the girls. He may have gotten more of a workout than me b/c DD5 was on his back the whole time. :teeth: We did that about 45 min then I went and joined in on the fun with the girls. DD7 swam several laps with me. She is a fish! Well really, she says she turns into a mermaid when she gets into deep water (and I believe her :goodvibes). I am getting excited about the Goofy! the next double we do will be 9 and 20. We will do 2 short LRs of 10 b/4 that though.

Have a great weekend everyone!
Christa

TEK224

10-22-2005, 08:48 PM

Went to the gym today and did an hour on the treadmill. We have ANOTHER day of rain today (I'm beginning to hate the rain as much as the wind and hills! :rolleyes: ).

Still get some tweaks in the quad, but it's not as bad. Am going to try a 2 hour session on the exercise bike tomorrow while I'm watching the Eagles game.

Terri

NYcpa

10-22-2005, 09:31 PM

Did my 4 mile MFM walk the half on the treadmill in 70 min. The time included both the warm up and cool down. I did most of the walking at 3.5 mph. Yeasterday did 40 min on stationary bike for cross training.

keenercam

10-22-2005, 10:08 PM

Lisa -- so glad your run went well today.
Christa -- your running schedule blows me away! You seem like a wonderwoman to me. I am really looking forward to meeting you.
Terri -- your LW sounds like it went really well. But isn't tomorrow supposed to be a "rest day", young lady? ;)
Kathy -- great pace!
xterratri & Minnie -- Thank you so much for the :wizard: for Jenn's scores. I know she is a wreck and I am much worse, though no one can tell., I am hoping that she isn't thinking about it at all tonight while she is at her Homecoming dance.
Pat -- your pace sounds awesome. Just think of where you'll be 11 weeks from now! :teeth:

Well, after I posted this morning, I took a much-needed nap after too many late nights this week. Surprisingly, I am not that sore, though I may be tomorrow. I think walking around the mall all afternoon may have helped, too, rather than sitting still.

For anyone trying to get in a LR tomorrow because of the weather -- take care and good luck!

TiffJ

10-22-2005, 11:33 PM

Yes, I definately like the sound of Women running the World. I am very interested in that, but the Tri would be such a huge accomplishment for me that I am stil really thinking about it. I have to have something to work towards so I dont become a couch potato again after the 1/2 is over. My friend (who is supportive, but doesnt understand this new interest of mine) said-why dont you just keep exercising to stay healthy. Well that is good in theory but not in my nature. I need a good reason to keep at it. If I wasnt doing the 1/2 I would never have walked 5 miles last weekend

I think the university has advanced adult swim classes. I am going to look into it. Also need to check out the very confusing bike situation. Getting healthy sure is getting expensive(especially when you factor in all these trips to WDW I will need to be doing) because of course I think marathon weekend needs to be an annual trip.

Today was a 40 min walk day. It was cold this a.m. so it was hard to get going below 15 min pace. I thought it was going to end up being a stonker but I ended up doing better than expected. Ave 14:41 incl warm up.

Tomorrow is a 3 mile LR. Not so long to me anymore. Will prob end up being more because I will need to get DS out for some training too. He is so excited about the 5k. That is a bonus side affect to all my training. DS7 is getting really into this racing thing too.

chimera

10-22-2005, 11:58 PM

Come join us for a new week!

Week of Oct 23 - 2006 Half-Full Marathon Info/Training Thread (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=10344151#post10344151)

perfectmatch300

10-23-2005, 12:57 AM

Getting ready for Wilma here. Actually, she should be to the south of us but I'm sure we will still know she's in the neighborhood! At least this time we are in our new house and not the little manufactured house we lived in last year during hurricane season while this one was being built! Chimera, hope Wilma stays south of you too - seems like you're the closest of us to her anticipated landing point. Hope you and all the other Floridians and WDW visitors stay safe. Looks like the storm will be here on Monday.

Did a long walk with DH today and amazingly enough I was the one who wanted to keep going, not him! Usually it is the other way around. I think he was a bit dehydrated. After the walk, we joined the group of those going into stores and the like right after a workout. We were drenched from the heat and humidity here, but off to the grocery store we went! I'll be glad when the humidity goes down some around here.

Planning some bike time tomorrow as cross training, maybe combined with some pool time. I have not been swimming much since we moved and I miss that. Maybe ride the bike the long way to the pool, swim, ride home.