Week of Oct 2 - 2006 Half-Full Marathon Info/Training Thread

[chimera]

Hello everyone!

For those new to us, we're a group of people who are planning to participate in the 2006 and/or 2007 Disney Half or Full marathons. We range from non-running beginners to triathletes. Come join us!

Here's the Marathon FAQ, a great place to answer your marathon questions:
Disney Marathon FAQ (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=725285)
And some websites for further running/walking info:
http://www.runnersworld.com
http://www.coolrunning.com
http://www.halhigdon.com
http://www.running4women.com/
http://www.runnergirl.com/index.shtml
http://www.katherineswitzer.com/fitness.html
http://www.irongirl.com
The John Bingham site:
http://www.waddleon.com/
Jeff Galloway's site:
http://www.jeffgalloway.com/

Pacing Calculator (http://www.mcmillanrunning.com/Running%20University/Article%201/mcmillanrunningcalculator.htm)

Six miles officially in the books at 1:32:09. The last mile was tough...my legs were pretty wobbly. Looks like the ASICS are edging out the Nikes for the official shoe of the Chimera racing team...no shin splints yesterday.

Kathy...great to see you back! How's the shoulder? I wear the Cumulus, but an 8.5.

Congrats to everyone doing or who have done Race for the Cure events! :banana: I love doing races for great causes!

Lynne...I can offer you a March marathon in Sarasota :) There's a few things listed on the coolrunning.com site for April. Do you live near Bar Harbor? The Mount Desert Island race looks cool, but it's in a couple of weeks.

Colleen...great 11 mile time! :dog2:

Bree...thanks for the advice on training for the March half! I'm gonna check out the schedule and see how it plans out.

TIff...great pace! :banana: :banana:

MelR...you'll have to post pictures of the boy in his Buzz suit! I'll be trick or treating with Tinkerbell and a cowgirl. DH and I are still trying to come up with clever costumes for ourselves. Our best year was when DD12 was Cruella DeVil and we dressed up as Dalmatians.

Craig...how was your 11?

Sunny... :bday: Happy Belated Birthday! Are you doing Applefest? That's on my list of races I'd like to run someday. I've never seen fall leaves and that looks like a cool way to do it.

Carrie...how was your LR this weekend?

Cam...good luck to you and everyone else 'officially' starting MFM this week!

So what happens AFTER the marathon? Do we start getting ready for 2007? I was thinking about this race in March and it occurred to me that I might not have all you guys for inspiration, encouragement and training tips :sad:

Speaking of training tips, can we go over the what and how to eat during a LR? I took an energy bar with me for the 6 miles. I think it helped, but not sure how to tell. I don't think I could do gels...I'm wimpy when it comes to weird textures/tastes. How do you decide at what point in your run to use the stuff?

Good training everyone! Looks like it's the real thing now!

[chimera]

Need some help with the list. Somehow the spreadsheet disappeared from my laptop :scared1: Fortunately, when I had to send the laptop for repair back in Aug, I had backed up the list to our desktop. So, I know the list is current up til then. Please check and be sure your name and info is there and correct. We have almost 120 names on the list and I don't want to miss anyone!

Chimera Melissa FL half
kaf7878 Kelly FL full
Lisa Loves Pooh Lisa FL full
sap1227 Christy FL half
welovedis Karen NY half
tracy51 Tracy TX half
wiskband Renee NY half
Kimickey Kim MD half
zagafi Pam MO full
Stepharoonie FL full
little grey donkey Helen NZ full
perfectmatch300 Nancy FL half
TXBelle Heather TX half
LittleMissMickey Ashley MN half
Lani Lani mouseplanet half
TammyNC Tammy NC half
HookdonWDW Lisa AL half
crzy4pooh Lynnda FL full
wfloyd Bill FL full
MelanieC Melanie PA half
ZerasPride Lisa OH half
njcarita NJ half
cra-z-4-dizney half
valentine Kathy NY
Princess VIJA
shari2shop Shari TX half
LAWalz23 Lori NY
sunkissed212 Kimberly MI half
GrangerGirl Suzanne GA half
MickeySP Lisa half
Jroglitz Jennifer MD half
CarolA TN half
lizdotcom99 Liz IN half
my3boys half
momsully Christine CO half
keenercam Cam DE half
KeenHo Howard DE half
wtpclc Carrie MI full
DisneyGirl full
kimble Susan CA full
Tiggeroo Tina NJ
hAM53 Chris NY
goofyshell Michelle KY half
sara Sara IN Goofy
2angelsinheaven FL half
HINative HI half
pixiechic Colleen full
Jynohn full
CaitlinsMommy Betsey PA half
NCRedding NC half
tlkkrados Laura half
hunter0499 NJ half
Cherylbug Cheryl GA half
Alysa Alysa ON full
WDWFAN9 Pat IL half
starnerella Jackie NC half
Chropistopy Christy half
panthergirl Susan NC half
Bea Tammy CA half
hipporina Kristy TX full
secox28 Sharon OH half
DisneeFun Jennifer NC Goofy
mic&min half
xterratri Lynne ME Goofy
Leota NY half
Calcio Craig MA Goofy
cheyita Karen IL half
jennz Jennifer IN half
Mom21 half
boolou Jen full
heart4dis TX full
mshrm Lori half
SetzKitten Cody half
agotta Amanda VA half
DVDguy Kevin VA half
wogger half
Nycpa Kathy NY half
TigerLily03 Lily OH full
Stitch Lover Sith Erin NY half
murcor Angela half
Zela AL half
swandiverpatt IN half
goingthedistance Paul and Beckie NM full
Penny MN Goofy
sunshine girl Laura IL full
lacool Leigh Ann NC full
donac Dona NJ half
pixiedust27 Jessica half
jajuan TX half
disneybelle Darcey NJ half
zoegirl Bree NC Goofy
Alice Sr. IL half
monte Monica CO half
scanmom half
aladdinsgirl Krista OH half
skfulkers Steve OH full
calena CA half
Angie_OH OH half
Minnie half
gatorphipps Christa NC Goofy
Gymbomom Corey TX half
MelRhoads Melissa AR Goofy
plutosmyfav Sunny MA full
Dina Dina PA full
Pollioni Robb ON full
Zoesmama Melissa AZ half
solotraveler MI full
disnutt Kiena CT
Stephenie FL half
princessmomma Colleen NC full
TiffJ AL half
Jodi Jodi CT half
akasleepingbeauty Rhonda TX half
kdiana Chris CT half
kathcoll Kath Goofy
TEK224 Terry Goofy
DavidandDenise full
chersheyb full
Rockclimber Dave

[princessmomma]

Speaking of training tips, can we go over the what and how to eat during a LR? I took an energy bar with me for the 6 miles. I think it helped, but not sure how to tell. I don't think I could do gels...I'm wimpy when it comes to weird textures/tastes. How do you decide at what point in your run to use the stuff?

Good training everyone! Looks like it's the real thing now!

Maybe we could start an new thread with training tips. I know I would love to hear what works for everyone.

Personally, after a long run I find a protein drink really helps my recovery. I make a strawberry, banana smoothie. It tastes great and I feel good for the rest of the day. My legs seem to recover more quickly as well.

5-6 frozen strawberries
1 banana
1 cup milk
1 scoop of whey protein powder

Blend all this up and yum!!

Colleen

By the way Melissa, thanks for starting up this new thread every week and keeping us organized. :flower: :flower:

[MelRhoads]

Mel - I think I might be traumatized by your ponderings!!!! I had not even considered the idea that we may not have each other after January!!!!!!! We'll have to start working on that right away!!!!

I have already taken several pics of buzz! I guess I should post one. He ordered me out of the room so he could assess his coolness in the mirror after originally donning the costume. I few seconds later, I heard a thud and he said "Momma... I can't fly!" I peeked in at him and he was laying belly down on the bed. I tried to explain that buzz couldn't fly either, but that didn't really impress him!

Sunny -CHECK IN..... WE NEED THE APPLEFEST REPORT. We'd like to hear about the booty whippin' you dished out!!

I don't know if I mentioned it in my furry friends 5k race report, but the boy did embarrass me a little (big shock!) He kept pointing people out by what they were wearing, like "momma, see that girl in blue" and then he say, "beat her, momma, beat her" I know they could hear :blush: Maybe that inspired them to run faster ;) Running in a race with the boy is like running with your id (the Freudian kind) on a loud speaker!

[xterratri]

So my classmate Allison said something neat as we were walking back to the car this morning. She asked me what time it was and I replied about 10 oclock. She then quoted a commercial "We do more by 9 oclock than most people do all day." :rotfl2: Actually this race didn't start until 0745 and we'll be 1hr 45 into the races by that time as Disney. So it was sunny, gorgeous blue skies with light winds, temps reasonable but the course was a little hillier than expected. It's tough to complain about running along the ocean though.

I was hoping to finish sub-2 hours and it took me about 2:09 so I averaged just slightly faster than 10min/mile overall. I did it run 9/walk 1 and the average pace for the run segments was 9:26/mile. So maybe with a little more fitness, etc a 4:30 at Disney might be possible. I looked at some of my older 1/2 times and this was actually a PB by about 15 minutes from the ones I could find. I couldn't find the results from my most recent half ironman in 2003 so I don't remember what that was except that it was hot(95) with no shade and the bike had been very hilly so I don't imagine that one was spectacular either. It doesn't hit 95 very often in Canada(Peterborough for solotraveler as he is the only one likely to have heard of it) so that was total freak weather. Ironman Lake Placid 3 weeks later was in the 50s-low 60s and rainy and windy all day. Both races were in July so it just shows that you can never predict what the weather will be. I don't remember what I used as a proof of time so I don't know what start carrel I will be in for Disney. When they post the results of this race, I probably ought to send it down to the Disney Marathon folks as the race is too darn big to be starting in the last carrel if you are going to run sub-5 hours.(with any luck and some decent training:))

The Garmin also said that I had went 13.35 rather than 13.1 too. I suspect the Garmin may be a little off and/or that the race distances are measured shortest line distance rather than the real world wobbling around. I actually leaning more toward the second option because they have a path around Back Cove that is marked every 1/4 mile and the Garmin is right on when on that path.

So going back to that elite v elitist debate. I've now done 2 half marathons, 1 full marathon, 3 half ironmans, and 2 full ironmans. That seems to make me a "big :dog: " here but really it's just proof that I got all my stubborness from my Grandpa(just ask Grandma). I'm not fast but live by the motto "Just keep moving forward" when the going gets tough in those longer events. If people want to give me garbage about my finishing times, I just have to remember that I'm still doing something that 95+% of the rest of the population wouldn't. It is easy to forget that when you are buried in the sub-culture whether it is running, triathlon, or adventure racing(you go MelR) that group that you are hanging with is just a small percentage of the whole. So that's my rant on the subject. Everyone here are winners just for setting the goal and it will be so sweet seeing everyone have success in January(whether it's 2006 or 2007 Lizdotcom)

[TiffJ]

Mel- great pace! I would also like tips on what to eat when now that I'm getting into the longer distances. I havent tried them yet, but the gels just sound really nasty to me. I would rather have a protien bar.

MelR-that story is hillarious!! I can picture DS4 doing the same thing. He's on a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle kick. And he can fight like one too.

Colleen- that sounds good! I had a kit kat before my 4 miles this morning. How's that for nutrition :rolleyes1

I did 4 miles today. They 1st 3 I avg 14:51 pace. The last mile I needed to slow down, it was 16:30. I was really hoping to do the whole 4 miles avg 15/min mile.

[xterratri]

Nutrition- very much a matter of personal preference. I am a fan of gels but only certain flavors(prefer vanilla or plain) and certain brands(gu, hammer gel). I'll train with the fruit flavored ones such as carb boom or some of the gu flavors but don't like to race with them. I also don't like power gels or any of the other really thick ones.

Energy bars can be okay on the bike but I don't like running with them- too much chewing to eat and then they sit in your stomach like a brick. At Ironman races I've ate bananas, oranges, apples, pretzels, and chicken soup from the aid stations in addition to the gu and the energy bars. There are times when things that more closely resemble real food just hit the spot.

What isn't a matter a personal preference is the need to either be drinking a carbohydrate drink or eating something if the event is going to be longer than 1.5 hours. Yes many of us(me) carry plenty of fat to burn even for a 9000 calories event but you need carbs to stoke the fat burning and your brain is completely dependent on carbs(glucose). Glycogen stores get depleted so you need to be putting something back in that is a source of glucose. This is not just my opinion, this is exercise science so start expirementing in training to get an idea what may work for you on race day.

[TEK224]

[QUOTE=xterratri]I'm not fast but live by the motto "Just keep moving forward" when the going gets tough in those longer events. If people want to give me garbage about my finishing times, I just have to remember that I'm still doing something that 95+% of the rest of the population wouldn't.



I totally agree with you. I've always finished in the back of the pack in races, but at least I finished. I've only had one race where I dropped out and that was the 2004 1/2 ironman at Disney. It was my first ever triathlon (decided to go long, plus I was at WDW :goodvibes ).

Got a bad case of leg cramps at mile 25 of the bike. Tried to walk a little and then ride again, but it just wasn't happening. I was really bummed at not finishing, but I figured getting through 1.2 mile swim and 25 miles on the bike was a decent 1st effort. I'm hoping to "tri" again in 2006. Will look more closely at nutrition for that race also.

Terri

[jkh1978]

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jkh1978 Jason VA full

[littlegreydonkey]

Morning all - Lisa's PT woman should see what I saw yesterday. For some unknown reason, people here run 24 hour races (hey, it's a small country there's not a lot to do) and there was one yesterday which just happened to be on the track by my gym, and I ended up there watching the last half hour. I was expecting to find a whole race of tall skinny people - but no, at least two of the women in that race had the build of our amazing race woman, only one woman was over 5 ft 6 (cancelling out my 'my legs are too short' excuse), two guys still going round in circles were over 50, and the WOMAN who won the event (195km in 24 hours) was asthmatic - it completely shocked me - and, even more worryingly made me think 'I could do that then'. And as for determination, one guy was so tired, it took him 12 minutes to walk a 400 metre lap but at that point there was no way he was giving up. I nearly cried.

I didn't quite manage 24 hours this weekend, just my nice short run of 7 miles which went okay. Am trying not to think abou the fact that that was my last weekend run under 10 miles until Xmas now. Anyway, better go as I have to call Disney before you all go to sleep - it's time to try and book the Segway tour. Helen

[kathcoll]

The Garmin also said that I had went 13.35 rather than 13.1 too. I suspect the Garmin may be a little off and/or that the race distances are measured shortest line distance rather than the real world wobbling around.

With Garmin's GPS technology it is more likely to be underestimating than over. Since it will use a straight line to calculate distances if it loses the signal (because you are in a blocked area - tall buildings, or in wooded areas) it will sometimes underestimate your distance. But if it says you did 13.35, you DID 13.35!

I did the Army ten Miler in DC today at a 12:45 pace. They rerouted the course because of a suspicious package under the 14th street bridge. And the route ended up being 11.38 instead of 10 miles, with the new route leading back to the starting line, and no "offical" timing because the mats were at what should have been the finish line! It was still a great race from the Pentagon around the Kennedy Center,through the Mall area to the Capital and back to the Pentagon. Next saturday is my final 20 miler before the Marine Corps marathon. I'd love to be able to do the marathon at a 13 minute pace!
kath

[gatorphipps]

Speaking of training tips, can we go over the what and how to eat during a LR? I took an energy bar with me for the 6 miles. I think it helped, but not sure how to tell. I don't think I could do gels...I'm wimpy when it comes to weird textures/tastes. How do you decide at what point in your run to use the stuff?
AHHH...Gels! :teeth: I wish (and you may get the chance @ WDW) you all could experience me taking a gel! :rotfl: Bree always gets a good laugh. I am the gag master! :earseek: But they do work the best for me. The ones with the caffene, banana-strawberry, or choc. is what I use. I can feel them working in about 10 min. No lie! But it takes me that long to get them down.

Sunny - WHERE ARE YOU? Want to know about your race! :Pinkbounc You asked my race pace....for a 1/2 mara or under it is 8:30 to 9:30. Marathon is slower. I have never been supper fast @ WDW b/c it is SO crowded. I guess I won't PR this year either b/c of the Goofy...I cannot see me blowing out both races.

Melissa - Love your boy and the race story! :rotfl: Can totally see my girls saying something like that!

Helen - 24 hour race! WOW!

Happy training all! I cannot believe how close we are!
Christa

[chimera]

Jason! Welcome! You're on the list. What kind of training are you doing?

[plutosmyfav]

2:03:53 9:28 (Garmin said 13.4, 2:04:52, 9:19 :confused3 )

It was great!!!!!

The weather was absolutely perfect. It was 38 deg F when I first got up but it was up to 60 deg F by race time. The race was very well organized, the volunteers where plentiful and great, both friendly and very helpful. The course is beautiful, long windy country roads with no sidewalks or shoulders. Most of it was blocked to traffic, some of it was one side of the street. There were water stops very 2 miles and each one had a theme (Samurai, Cowboys and Indians, 70's, etc). At the end we got to vote for our favorite water stop. The post-race refreshements were incredible (I definitley ate everything I burned :rolleyes: ) There was homemade apple crips, apple bread, apple & oatmeal cookies (are you picking up on a theme here?) as well as the usual yogurt, bagels, bananas, etc. I met only nice runners, and I met alot of nice runners. I saw some big butts ahead of me and I thought exactly as Solo put it ("wow, she's doing it, so can I!!!!!). I then decided my big butt was a beacon of hope for those behind me :rotfl2:

I was really pleased with my strategy. I didn't start too fast, although my first half was much faster then my second half, but that was due to the course. Its mostly downhill first half and mostly uphill second half. My only complaint is that my bladder was ready to explode from about mile 10 on! I forgot to turn off my Garmin at the finish line, I made it all the way across the field to the port-a-jon before I remembered. I estimate that was at most a tenth of a mile but my Garmin said 13.4. It also said I averaged a 9:19 pace but my race (chip) posting said 9:28 (2:03:53). So I was a little worried that Garmin overestimates, too. The theory of it underestimating due to lost signal makes sense but could the course/chip be off that much? Oh well, I'm not sweating it, either way I did just about what I had hoped for.

Chimera-- I highly recommend Applefest!

Lynn-- I am running "Race to Remember" (Half) downtown Boston March 11, 2006. Maybe as soon as WDW is over we should start a March Race thread to stay connected until we start training for '07 :flower:

As for the Bar Harbor Marathon-- YIKES :earseek: Have you seen the course profile??? I would love to do that one someday. My family spent 3 weeks at Bar Harbor every summer when I was a kid. Great memories, great country.

MelR-- we have even more in common! DS has been Buzz the last two years and wants to be Buzz again this year. Too bad he keeps growing or it would be a bargain!

Gels-- I can't imagine eating anything solid during a run. I started trying out gels once my LR got to 16 miles. I did one goo at mile 8.5 on my Half. I have no clue if it helped but the hills had started and I was desparate for any edge (even imagined)! Make sure to drink with the gel.

Heather and Christa-- Congrats on the Race for the Cure! Sounds like a great time and a great reason to run!

Helen-- we have a local race called "24 hours around the lake" I don't know how they manage to make it 24, but part of it is a full marathon around the lake. The disturbing part is the circumference is 3.3 miles!!!! Thats 8+ loops around the same lake. Can you imagine?????

MelR-- The "beat the lady in blue" is precious!!!!! My DS has had me skirming in many a situation! I haven't tried running with him, I can only imagine!

Craig-- Your post with story of your daughter was the last thing I read before heading out to Applefest. I really appreciated it and pondered it on my way up route 3! Thanks! Was this the best running weekend or what???? How many more weekends like this will we get???? Loving it!

Mel-- thanks for the B-day wish. Mom and Dad gave me running clothes for my Bday. They said they were clueless as to what to buy so a clerk helped them out. By chance they bought an Asic jacket, shirt and pants! I am thrilled. The pants are a nice winter running model. Can't wait to try them out (or can I?).

Today was rest except that I ended up taking my air conditioner our of my window which led to serious cleaning which lead to rearranging furniture....

No sore muscles or fatigue to report! I'm glad the IC didn't push me too hard :rotfl: I think even she wanted to enjoy the race!!!!

I'll post pics when they're up.

Here's the specs:

Oct 1, 2005 Applefest

1 8:51
2 8:42
3 8:52
4 8:58
5 8:34
6 8:53
7 9:02
8 9:21
9 8:58
10 9:57
11 10:20
12 9:23
13 10:07
.4 13:23 (I forgot to turn it off at the finish)

13.4 miles Garmin says 2:04:53, 9:19 overall pace
Chip Time: 2:03:53 overall pace 9:28

The Ups and Downs of Applefest!!!!!
http://livinglively.com/images/applefestprofile.jpg


Sunny

[princessmomma]

Congratulations Sunny on your race. Fantastic!! :cheer2: :cheer2:

Sounds like you had a great day.

Christa, I gag with gels too, but they do put pep in my step after about 10-15 minutes too. I usually take them after 4 miles.

Welcome Jason. Is this your first marathon?

Kath, my Garmin seems to be all over the place too. It is sometimes frustrating, but if I am actually running longer distances, that is all good!!

Helen, glad to have you around again. Sounds like your training is going well.

Colleen

[Minnie]

I just wanted to give everyone a big :grouphug: for all your help when I was considering giving up. It meant more to me than I can ever tell, I wouldn't be where I am without this group :love:

I have decided to use the waddleon.com 14 week run/walk training plan. I can still use my wogging from the other plan so it should be okay as I was up to 5 miles before having to stop and the first lr next Sat is only 3 miles.

I walked quite a bit this weekend with a little jogging mixed in. Nothing I timed but just got my Asics back on my feet and my feet back walking one step at a time. The official plan starts tomorrow and I will be out there some way some how. Thanks everyone!!!!!!!!!

Sunny - Congrats on your 1/2!!!!

Welcome Jason!

Have a great week everyone!

[Calcio]

Way to go Mel, Lynne, and Sunny. Those are good results, and remember today was 14 weeks from the full. Doing well in advance of the races is a good sign.

Yes, the weather here now is perfect for running. I did the 11 without difficulty Saturday AM, cool and dry again. The first 9.5 were really easy, but the last 1.5 were work, I felt the fatigue beginning to blow my quads, but I was able to hold pace by concentrating. I suspect I could run a nice half right now (with rest), so I need to build more for the full.

Martha and I are running the Race for the Taste 10K Sunday at WDW, forecast temp = 70 or so at race time, with 100% humidity I'm sure. We're both having good results right now, so I wonder how returning to heat and humidity will affect us. It's so much easier when it's cool, so we'll so how it goes.

Regarding food, for 13 miles I never need any food or energy drinks either. Straight water is the only thing I take, and I don't seem to fatigue. For the full on January 8, I'm sure I'll need an electrolite and carb drink to keep up the energy and mineral levels, but I'm never done this before. I guess I'll do some reading and estimate the correct strategy for 26 miles. Hopefully it will be relatively cool and dry both days, so my body will take the smallest beating possible regarding fluids and energy.

Lastly, thanks Sunny for the kind comments. I certainly find as I get older I become more philosophical about what matters in life. Today I was in NH watching my daughter's fall lacrosse play day. They played 3 halfs during the morning in beautiful weather. It's really wierd to watch the girl you remember so clearly as a baby running around as a junior in college. I hope I've been able to teach her good lessons for life. God knows she has taught me more than she'll ever understand.

And remember . . . the weather is perfect now, but in 3 weeks we'll feel winter coming in hard. New England falls are the best, but the rest of the year isn't quite so nice.

97 or 98 days to go :hourglass

Craig

[TEK224]

Sounds like you guys had a lot of fun and success. :cool1:

Weather was great today, but my time was not. Did 3 miles on a flat track (think a tweaked a groin yesterday on some hills). Was going to try the r/w method. I found that I tended to constantly look at the time to see where I was and when to switch. It was actually annoying. Think I'm going back to my own method of running until I get winded (not exhausted), taking a walk break and then resume running. That seems to work best for me. I do love the Garmin so I don't have to remember how many laps or have to measure out the distance. Haven't tried downlaoding any info yet. Need to read the direction for that! :)

Terri

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Calcio--for the full..it is suggested to start early on the refueling--you may not need it for 13 miles, but not taking anything in the first half could have consequences in the 2nd half.

I take a gu beginning at mile 4 and then every 4 miles after that. Just how the timing works for me.

Once your runs start getting to the half distance in training, it would be a good idea to start practicing with it. Maybe even sooner. You may notice it adds a kick to your step ;).


I am the proud finder of my marathoning for mortals book. Missing for months. Strangest thing. Had a little conversation with my quads yesterday about how I would be nice to them if they behave and that we can be penguins, just to do our training nicely.

Well--on one of my hall shelves--my Bibles are toppled on the floor. NO idea why, they just were. So I put them up--and more fall down. And right there on the shelf--you guessed it, marathoning for mortals is hanging out. No idea why it is there, like I can remember why I place a training book on a shelf with Bibles and religious paraphanelia. Anyway--so I pick up with week 7 of training and ditch what my coach has us doing. So Monday of Week 7 on the run/walk plan--no strappy things on my knees, no knee problems, no quad problems. So let's hear a big WAHOO for me--for listening to my penguin self!!!

44 minutes at 5mph pace with 3:1 intervals---just under 3 and a half miles. Yep--I'm Back!!!

[TammyNC]

Lisa-Glad to hear that you are feeling better and that your run felt good and no problems.

I just started the MFM 1/2 training this morning. I am going to stay on schedule even though I have a couple of long weekend trips that could potentially get in the way. I will take my garmin and get them in.

[lacool]

I am the proud finder of my marathoning for mortals book. Missing for months.

That is such a coincidence! I lost my Non-runners Trainer and have torn the house apart looking for it. It is a 16 week training program, so when I finally gave up and looked for a substitute program, everything seemed to be 20 weeks, so I was already behind. :worried: This morning I was getting dressed in my closet (not my normal spot), and lo and behold, there is my Non-runner's Trainer, on the closet shelf! :cool1: Now I am actually ahead of where I need to be, and am suddenly feeling really good about what I have accomplished and what I am capable of. :cheer2:

[aladdinsgirl]

Good morning!! :sunny: Ready to start another week? Today is the start of the official half marathon training for me, no more off days or laziness. I was going to start last week, to give myself an extra week, but it was a wash because of my ankle. Speaking of my ankle, it's feeling MUCH better, thanks for all the :wizard:. Stephen and I ran a 5K Saturday night (with 6,000 other people :earseek:--it was a different experience running with that many people), it was such a hard 5K, I thought I was going to die!! The course was extremely hilly, I don't know the exact elevation of the hills, but they were STEEP! The first mile or so was all down hill and then the next mile was up hill, we went back down for about a half mile and then the last half mile was all up hill. I wore an ankle brace for the run (yes, I ran the first mile and a half, but couldn't run the hills!) and it stabilized my ankle, but it hurt my foot so bad. I was actually limping coming across the finish line, Stephen said his first thought was "Oh, my gosh she hurt her ankle" and his second thought was "I'm going to kill her if she ran on a hurt ankle"! :teeth: As soon as I took the brace off, I was fine, I think I'm going to try running with 2 pairs of socks on my left foot and see if that helps. So how did I finish? In 36:44--11:38 mile pace! :cheer2: :cheer2: It was 40 seconds slower than my last 5K, which is normally disappointing, but factoring in the hills, my ankle, and the crowds--I was very pleased with my time. Stephen did really well too, he finished in 23:29 and he was injury free as well. :banana: :banana:

Sunny--Awesome time on your half! I was thinking about you all day Saturday. :bday: too, hope you had a great day!

I'd really love to reply to everyone, but I've already written a novel, besides I am at work (even though my boss is out of the office until Thursday! :banana: ). So I'll just say great job on keeping up with your training and :wizard: on all the upcoming runs/wogs/walks and cross training.

Krista princess:

[princessmomma]

I take a gu beginning at mile 4 and then every 4 miles after that. Just how the timing works for me!!


Lisa, this will be my strategy too! There will be a good supply and gu and such along the race route, correct? Do you every carry your own in a race? I just ordered a 12 pack of gu from roadrunnersports.com. I like the Tangerine with caffeine the best.

I am a big believer in hydrating early and hydrating often as well. I did a 50 minute easy run yesterday and didn't bring water because it was fairly cool. I really felt drained over the last 10 minutes. Water really helps me, but it is really a hassle to carry.

Does anyone have one of those hydrating belts that has 6 or 7 little bottles positioned around the belt? I have a water bottle carrier belt and it actually hurts my lower back when I run.

Colleen

[princessmomma]

Krista, that is an awesome pace! And on a wicked course too! :cool1:

Stephen had an awesome race as well. Is he doing the full?

Lisa, good job on tending to your injury! It must feel great to be healthy again.

Terri, I like your running plan. That is basically what I am doing as well, when I feel winded, I just walk and recover. Good luck.

Craqig, good luck to you and Martha next weekend. Have a great time! Are you going to be parking it as well?

Colleen

[MelRhoads]

Good morning everyone! Sounds like everyone had a great weekend!

Krista - Good job on your 5k!!! I don't know if you have ever tried moleskin, but it might help where your brace is rubbing on your ankle. I use it for blisters in the adventure races and it really helps. You can cut it to the size you need and it really sticks (rareley moves) I did a 12 mile run last thursday with a huge blister on my heel. The blister was left over from the adv. race. The moleskin kept me from even noticing. Last winter I would always use it to cover the spot where the zipper on my thick thights (biking tights) rubbed a hole in my ankle.

On the issue of nutrition, I am a firm believer in replacing those calories (it is really important in the races we have done) I will probably take a gel about ever 4 miles as well! I strongly recommend CarBoom. They taste soooooo much better than the other brands. The flavors are really good! Like chocolate cherry, strawberry kiwi and vannilla orange. I never gag taking these and i do with some other brands! I usually get a couple with caf. as I drink 1 cup of coffee in the morning. During the adventure races, one of my jobs on the team is to set my watch time to go off every 15 minutes and remind everyone on the team to drink and eat. It seem like when people bonk, they do it fast and then it is too late to replace the calories. We beat a couple of teams on our last race becuase someone bonked and could not finish! Anyway, there is my 2 cents!

[TXBelle]

For those who do not like gu, I like the Snickers Marathon bars. They are protein bars designed for long distance runs, but they are made by Snickers. You know me, any excuse to eat a candy bar! For the 1/2 last year I drank Powerade at every water station (WDW offers both Powerade and water). I ate 1/2 a Snickers Marathon bar at about Mile 6 when I got hungry. Gu, bananas, and Nestle cookie bars were offered at the food & water station at Mile 9. I ate 1/2 a banana. I think what you eat is a personal preference. The most important thing in any long distance event is that you stay well-hydrated and eat to replenish your carbs. I have heard some people rave about the new Jelly Belly sports jelly beans. I just might have to try those.

Great job to Sunny, Carrie, Steven, and everyone else who raced this weekend!

As promised, I got my lazy butt out of bed this morning and started my MFM training full steam ahead for the marathon. I did 50 minutes on the TM at the gym. Tonight I swear that I am finally going to open the abs DVD I bought a month ago and work on my core.

The high speed internet connection is down at the house. The earliest service call is Wednesday. :badpc: It is almost as bad as when Starbucks was closed for Hurricane Rita. ;)

Happy Monday everyone! We can do this! (Oh, and did anyone notice from the countdown clocks that we are under 100 days now?)

[plutosmyfav]

No idea why it is there, like I can remember why I place a training book on a shelf with Bibles and religious paraphanelia.


Make sense to me. You probably filed them all under "really important stuff" ;)

I definitely want to try out one of those water belts with the little bottles. Currently I wear a large fanny pack with 2 24 oz. bottles, goo and car keys. I'm tired of all the weight pulling on the front and carrying a large bottle when I'm drinking. The cooler weather means less fluids, but I have to carry all my fluids because the water fountains get shut off for the winter. I guess I could stop at a store but I hate messing up my time!

Krista-- great job on the 5K! I'm glad your ankle didn't suffer.

Terri-- I'm a firm believer in doing what feels best for you rather than forcing a specific plan. I'm not following any particular plan but I read up on them all. I headed out the house today all set to do a 7 miler at lunch and then upperbody weights after work. Then remembered DD has a dr apt at 11:30. Now I'm in a tizzy trying to figure out how to get my workouts in. Come November/December I'm going to have to use alot of vacation time to get my runs in. Especially with the lack of daylight. Its not easy!!!!! Never before in my 42 years on this planet did I care what time the sun came up :rotfl2: Now I check weather.com and say "you've got to be kidding me!?!?!"

Sorry for the rambling. I guess I'm still a bit high from Applefest :cloud9:

However, I will say, the one thing on my mind as I crossed the finish line (other than b-lining it to the port-a-jon) was "This was only HALF a marathon?!?!?! I'm going to run a FULL marathon?!?!?!" Yikes :earseek:

Sunny

[plutosmyfav]

I just wanted to give everyone a big :grouphug: for all your help when I was considering giving up. It meant more to me than I can ever tell, I wouldn't be where I am without this group :love:


Sunny - Congrats on your 1/2!!!!



Your welcome and thank you :)

I send out the same gratitude as Minnie. I don't think I would have ever considered running/walking a full or half marathon if it wasn't for the WISH team. Last year I joined the WISH walkers with the hope to wog the half. Family issues made it impossible but now I'm back hoping to run the full. So many times the WISH team has helped me screw my head back on right after getting all psyched out. You're the greatest :grouphug:

Its like group therapy :goodvibes without a co-pay!

Sunny

[goingthedistance]

Greetings everyone,

I have been reading everyone's postings, but have not had the time to post my own replies. It sounds like we are all having our own personal victories and accomplishments on the way to WDW.

This past Saturday I did 20 miles in 3:50. That works out to about 11:30 pace. I was feeling good until about mile 18, and then everything started to feel tired and hurt at the same time. I learned that my anti-chafing stuff lasts through a 1/2, but wears out after 17 miles or so (lesson learned OUCH!). Just wondering what other people use when the miles really start to add up.

Finally finished booking my lodging for the Goofy. Since my wife will not arrive until Saturday, I needed lodging for Friday night on my own. Decided on the Contemporary because of the monorail access. Our AP saved us a little bit of money to make it an easier pill to swallow. The rest of the trip will be at Shades of Green, which will be significantly cheaper.

On the roster, please reflect me (Paul) as Goofy, and Beckie as the full.

Keep up the training everyone! January 7 and 8 will be here before you know it!

Paul

[keenercam]

Mel -- Great time on your 6 miles. That is awesome! It must be very reassuring to know you can do that great pace over a sustained distance.

Colleen -- Your smoothie recipe sounds great. Just a weird question, though -- is the protein powder high in calories? I have this strange mental fixation on NOT eating more points in "energy" or "recovery" food than I have just earned. I know, that's weird. Trying to get over it. :confused3

Melissa -- your stories about the boy always crack me up. So glad he got a Buzz costume. DS did that one Halloween and he was sooo cute, except for when he kept bumping everyone with his wingspan! :rotfl: Thanks for the heads up on CARBOOM. Where does one find something like that? Do I have to get it at a sporting goods store? Have you ever found that it negatively affects your tummy? Chocolate cherry sure sounds good! :)

xterratri -- Your friend Allison is a smart cookie! Great time on your event. I noticed the same thing about my Garmin. On one 5K, the Garmin distance was 3.24, which I thought was kind of odd, but then realized I might have swung wide on some turns or something like that. It sure adds up, though.

Tiff -- Great job on your 4 miles. Those paces are very impressive. I also find that as I add distance or more jogging intervals, my later pace slows a bit. I think we will build endurance as time goes on and then those later paces should be fine, too.

Hi, Helen! Watching that event must have been so inspirational. Glad you got to see it.

kath -- good luck on your final training for the MCM!

Christa -- You may have some competition here for the gagmaster award! :blush: I cannot even tolerate those thick syrupy energy drinks. Powerade is about all I can do, mixed with water. I dread having to figure out what kind of power bar will work for me just because I can't tolerate most of them. They always feel very heavy in my stomach, too. UGH!

Sunny -- congratulations on your race! It sounds awesome. I especially like the after-race food selection. Hmmmm. .. .. I bet it smelled great!

Minnie -- so glad you are planning to get out today! Just keep telling yourself what I told myself this morning -- "JUST DO IT!" I always feel so great when I am done, having accomplished something I didn't even feel like trying. I just always have to remind myself of that feeling when I am equivocating on getting out to wog! I hope you have the same gorgeous weather where you are to enjoy today. That always helps, too!

Hi, Craig! I am glad you got to do your 11 on Saturday in gorgeous weather and got to really enjoy the time outside watching your "baby" play lacrosse! It was pretty cool out this morning when I started out and I reminded myself that it is going to get so much worse very soon. I also reminded myself that there will be plenty of rainy, cold mornings and lots of wet leaves on the ground. Boy, that was a depressing thought. I wish there were a large indoor track somewhere around here, but the one at our Y is so small that I would get outrageously bored and dizzy after 1 mile. I am pretty sure I will have to resort to the treadmill many mornings. :(

I do love the Garmin so I don't have to remember how many laps or have to measure out the distance. Haven't tried downlaoding any info yet. Need to read the direction for that!

Ooooh, Terri, when you figure it out, can you teach me? I have been using mine since July and have not taken the time to read the manual and figure out how to download the information. Pathetic, I know. Maybe I will do that now. I break a sweat every time I think of doing it, though (I am very technologically challenged). Can I count that as cross-training? :teeth:

Lisa -- Glad to hear you found your MFM book! Isn't that funny? I am so happy for you that you felt good after your run, too. Penguins rule!

Tammy -- Hope you got in your first 30 minute walk and enjoyed it.

lacool-- glad you found your book! With my luck, if I lost it, I'd find it AFTER buying a new one! :)

Krista -- AWESOME job on your 5K!!! I am glad you are re-thinking the ankle brace, you definitely do NOT want blisters on your feet from something that is supposed to be helping you! Let us know how the 2 socks thing works! Congrats to Stephen for his very impressive time, too! :cheer2:

Heather now has me hooked on the idea of trying a SNICKERs nutrition bar. Sounds yummy. Yeah, sure. As soon as I have to do something over 6.25 miles (the longest wog I did this summer), I will have an excuse to try some of these ideas!

WOW! I wrote a book. Sorry, all!

[solotraveler]

Hi everyone!

Guess who's not in Ottawa! Me! (It's always great when your work day ends 4 hours late and involves paramedics and filing police reports because of some boneheaded moron...... but I digress....)

I did my 44 minutes (3run/1 walk) and managed to hold a 8:56/mile average pace. Holy moly, I miss my extra minute of walking!!! But, it did force me to slow down my normal running pace a lot, so that may not be a bad thing. I have a 40 minute 3/1 today.

Sounds like everyone is doing wonderfully. I can't believe how close we are to marathon day. I am SO looking forward to this! I emailed the IPO staff at the Yacht Club my dining stuff today, since Thursday is my 90-days from arrival date. It really is starting to feel like this is going to finally happen for me.

For whomever asked about nutrition, I tend to use Powergel with any run over five miles. I gel at the five mile mark and then plan on doing it again at 10, 15, 20, etc. I really like the flavor of a couple of them, actually.

Minnie- Glad we could help :teeth:

Got to get back to work, but happy training all!
Solotraveler :earsboy:

[keenercam]

Hi everyone!

Guess who's not in Ottawa! Me! (It's always great when your work day ends 4 hours late and involves paramedics and filing police reports because of some boneheaded moron...... but I digress....)

Solo-- that sounds really scary. If you hadn't gone on to tell us about a fabulous training run, I'd be really worried about you. Are you doing okay? :hug:

[MelRhoads]

Keener - You can probably get the CarBoom at your local bike shop. If not, search on-line. It is really good and anyone who visits the local bike shop is a couple of points cooler in my book!!!

[keenercam]

Keener - You can probably get the CarBoom at your local bike shop. If not, search on-line. It is really good and anyone who visits the local bike shop is a couple of points cooler in my book!!!

Thanks, Melissa! Will do. We actually have TWO very, very good bike shops locally.

Cam

[wtpclc]

OK, not much time today. Already on page, three, though. Woo hoo!

Congrats to all who raced this weekend or completed their long runs!

solo -not good. And this was to be a fun trip?! No fair!

I did 9 miles on Saturday. Let's all think about this.... That doesn't sound so big, because several of us are doing this and more now. Let me think back to March, thuogh , and say holy cow! The coming training schedule is looking kind of scary. before we get too scared, though, let's look how far we've some!

Not to eb completely outdone by colleen ;), I was just under 10:30 pace. (Only 9 instead of 11 miles, but I'm happy)

Question of the century: WHy can I run awesome on the long runs and have trouble staying under 11 on the during the week runs???? (I thought it was mornig vs evening, but we did our 8-miler in the evening.)

I'm excited, my first mid-week rest day in 3 weeks comes Wednesday. Dh and I are celebrating with a movie! (I just hope I can move after my first Tempo workout Thursday!)

Have a great week all!

[littlegreydonkey]

Hi guys - in a hurry this morning so won't go back and check who asked what, but I do run with one of the fuel belts and it's great - I slouch really badly so running with a bottle leaves me aching but the belt works really well- plus the little pocket at the back is big enough for keys, inhaler and spare bus money just in case I have enough half way round.

As for gels etc, I hate them as I actually don't like the taste of sugar (chocolate does not count as sugar) but I think from this week I'm going to have to get used to them as the mileage cranks up so much - we can only get three types here though - GU (ugh), carboshots (I can feel my teeth rot as I take it) and leppin (actually not so bad as it's salty too). On a half, I just stick with the powerade. Any opinions on that approach considering I'm doing the full this time?

Anyway, that's my time up for today - oh, carrie, I'm booked on the first segway tour on the 11th. Figured I might actually be able to lift my leg by then to step on it. Helen

[wtpclc]

Helen - What time are you. Dh told me not before wed or thurs for teh same reasons, so that will be perfect!

[princessmomma]

Not to eb completely outdone by colleen ;), I was just under 10:30 pace. (Only 9 instead of 11 miles, but I'm happy)!

Carrie, that is awesome!! Yes, when you think back what we were doing a year or 6 months ago... we are all doing great. As for my 11 miles, I guess I should have only done 9 because I think I wore myself out a bit and now I have a head cold :sick:

Cam and Tiff, I am going to crack open my Garmin manual and learn how to download the information. I will try and give you both a condensed version on how to do it once I figure it out!

Helen, sounds like the belt really works for you. Thanks for the info.

Colleen

[gatorphipps]

Lisa, this will be my strategy too! There will be a good supply and gu and such along the race route, correct? Do you every carry your own in a race? I just ordered a 12 pack of gu from roadrunnersports.com. I like the Tangerine with caffeine the best.
Does anyone have one of those hydrating belts that has 6 or 7 little bottles positioned around the belt? I have a water bottle carrier belt and it actually hurts my lower back when I run.
Colleen - Carry your own gu with you. They do not have it until later in the race. I think around mile 16 or 18 (b/4 you get to AK). Bree and I stocked up on it last year. We had so many we had to give some to her husband when we met him @ AK. :rotfl: My belt hurts me too. I want to get the one with the little bottles too.

Sunny-All I can say is :cool1: :banana: :cheer2: :cool1: :banana: :cheer2: :teeth: and :worship: and :bday: and :dancer:. And thats all I've got to say about that!

Txbelle - Love the snickers! :love:

Paul - YOUR TIME ROCKS :Pinkbounc :bounce: :Pinkbounc

OK...I did some swimming today for about an hour. LOVED IT! But it kicked my butt! My legs feel like jello! Then I ate almost a whole bag of York Peppermint Patties! My first love :love:! So what does that do to my training....I wish I could eat those instead of gu. But they melt. :guilty:
Christa

[princessmomma]

Colleen -- Your smoothie recipe sounds great. Just a weird question, though -- is the protein powder high in calories? I have this strange mental fixation on NOT eating more points in "energy" or "recovery" food than I have just earned. I know, that's weird. Trying to get over it. :confused3



Cam, a know exactly what you are taking about. For every mile I increase my long run, I am GAINING A POUND! What is with that?? 10 more miles to make it to a 20 mile long run, so 10 more pounds will not be good! :mad:
I just keep telling myself that muscle is replacing fat, but it is getting really depressing now!

So, to answer your question. The whey powder I use has 120 calories (1 scoop or about 4 tbsps.) in it and I usually mix it with 1% milk a few frozen strawberries and 1/2 a banana. Not sure how many points that would be?

Colleen

[plutosmyfav]

So, to answer your question. The whey powder I use has 120 calories (1 scoop or about 4 tbsps.) in it and I usually mix it with 1% milk a few frozen strawberries and 1/2 a banana. Not sure how many points that would be?

Colleen

I've been using protein powders for years now (mostly protein shakes for breakfast). One I am currenty loving is ML Milk&Egg Protein. It has 21g of protein for 2 tbls and is 105 calories (2 pts). Its totally worth the two points. I use to mix my shakes with soy milk but lately I've be doing crystal lite with frozen berries. Yum! Sometimes I throw in some flax meal. I also read on the McMillan site that Slim Fast is a great recovery drink (good ratio of carbs/prot). I started taking one with me for immediately after stretching on my LR and it works well. (3 pts)

I did a 7.5 mile treadie run tonight. It was actually really nice! I was enjoying the fact that the TM is FLAT and totally predictable! I did the first 7.0 in 1:01:48 (6.8 mph continuous). Didn't get in upper body weights, though.

Christa-- sounds like you'll be the next Tri among us!!!! Go Swimmer!

On the subject of running/weight. I've been told by reliable sources that you will automatically take of 5 seconds from you pace for every 1lb of fat you lose (real fat, not water loss). Its too bad the appetite grows with the mileage, though!


Sunny

[TEK224]

Great job Carrie. Can't wait till I get up to that distance.

Christa, I know what you mean about the swim. I used to swim in the morning before work, then about 2 hours after I get to my office I'm ready for a nap. Really had trouble keeping my eyes open.

I did a 4 miler tonight. It was a wog, but I can't remember the last time I went that far. I picked a route through my neighborhood and took off. Wanted to be back home in under an hour (gotta beat the sweeper ;) ).

Made it home in 57:49 for the 4 miles. I'm very proud of myself. Right now I'm sitting at the 'puter with an ice pack on the nagging graoin injury, but other than that I felt really good after that run!

I'm just so happy right now! :banana:

Terri

[gatorphipps]

Christa, I know what you mean about the swim. I used to swim in the morning before work, then about 2 hours after I get to my office I'm ready for a nap. Really had trouble keeping my eyes open.
Terri - Glad to hear that! I cannot seem to keep my eyes open tonight. Going to have to go to bed soon...What about CSI? :confused3 Great time on the wog!

I do a protein shakes from Arbonne. They are (what else?) choc. They call to mix with H2O, but I mix them with milk and drink right after a LR. I think it is 3 points (2 being the skim milk).

Christa

[keenercam]

Cam and Tiff, I am going to crack open my Garmin manual and learn how to download the information. I will try and give you both a condensed version on how to do it once I figure it out!
Colleen

Colleen -- You're my hero! :worship:

Oh, and 3 or 4 points for a high energy recovery drink doesn't sound bad at all. Thanks for the heads-up!

[Tiger Lily 03]

I saw some big butts ahead of me and I thought exactly as Solo put it ("wow, she's doing it, so can I!!!!!). I then decided my big butt was a beacon of hope for those behind me :rotfl2: I just couldn't resist. I have a vision of a slogan on our shorts now! :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

Thank you everyone for posting up your progress. You too have inspired me. I so love coming here and reading about how we are all doing.

I have figured out that the gels work for me. I can manage a half pack at a time ok so I suck that down and wait a bit then finish off the pack. Only problem is having to carry an opened half packet. I use gu, but have tried carbboom and the WDW race sponsored packets too. I also second the call for the Snickers Marathon bars. Oooh I don't have them often, but I do like them.

I have a vision for you...picture me with my Amphipod water belt belted TIGHTLY around my hips! Yes, I really mean my hips. I wear it so low it is just before the bend in my upper thighs. I carry 4 water bottles on the back---3 upright and 1 more toward the front on its side because it rests in the bend of my legs. I will probably carry only 1-2 bottles on the day as the water stations should sustain me and I will have a bottle or 2 when I really need it. Then I have a waist pack wrapped about the same level around my hips.(not a very big one, I am trying to decide if I want to stay with this one or go with the lime green DIS waistpack. To the outside of this waistpack I attach my cell phone with an ear piece threaded through my shirt and my camera is slung on my right side on the pack belt in it's own belt holder. I used the waist pack last year, the water bottle belt is new and so far believe it or not it is all working out for me. NO back pain as I am carrying it all tightly strapped on my hips! This I can do just fine. The vision continues on the trail, I am tangled up in wires now. Remember I am wired to my cell phone and loop the earpiece around my neck and tucked into my bra strap, then comes the Ipod shuffle that I have newly added as my distance is increasing. Of course I never train without my HR monitor and will definitely have that with the watch on my wrist along with my Garmin of course. Whew!
:earseek:

Colleen, I will learn from you too, I don't use my Garmin to the fullest either. I haven't taken the time to learn. I need lots of time to learn new stuff and don't take that right now with the Garmin.

I did my lr Sat and actually managed 9/5 in 2:21. The last bit I really slowed significantly, I started to feel those wobbly legs I have heard about b4. I don't like that much. I did the beginning of the distance at around 12-13 min each mile. I hooked a rhythm and it was fabulous. Weather was crisp and it all clicked. So today DH and I did a pleasant 14 mile bike ride and I hope tomorrow will cooperate and I can get the run in.

Keep at it we are doing it!

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Lisa, this will be my strategy too! There will be a good supply and gu and such along the race route, correct? Do you every carry your own in a race? I just ordered a 12 pack of gu from roadrunnersports.com. I like the Tangerine with caffeine the best.

I am a big believer in hydrating early and hydrating often as well. I did a 50 minute easy run yesterday and didn't bring water because it was fairly cool. I really felt drained over the last 10 minutes. Water really helps me, but it is really a hassle to carry.

Does anyone have one of those hydrating belts that has 6 or 7 little bottles positioned around the belt? I have a water bottle carrier belt and it actually hurts my lower back when I run.

Colleen

I carry my own gu. They have power gel along the course and I personally do not like it though others rave about it. It reminds me of cake frosting.

They have power gel and powerade..so if you will be depending on the course for your nourishment, then train with these items. Also, they actually do not have the gels placed adequately--in my coach's opinion....they hand them out kind of late in the course (about mile 8 or 9, I think--I didn't get it, so don't recall). You'll want to carry at least one or two just in case.

I am wearing shorts with pockets that I will have stuffed with my cell phone and gu's (it looked like "gus" without the apostrophes, so my apologies ;)). As long as my back behaves, I will be carrying a belt with water bottle holder as I tend to get thirsty at the most inopportune times.

If the belt is hurting your back, then it is just too much weight. Try running with less and see if that helps.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

A new course in California...check out this thread:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=909998

[gatorphipps]

They have power gel and powerade..so if you will be depending on the course for your nourishment, then train with these items. Also, they actually do not have the gels placed adequately--in my coach's opinion....they hand them out kind of late in the course (about mile 8 or 9, I think--I didn't get it, so don't recall). You'll want to carry at least one or two just in case.

Colleen and anyone else interested in the gels on the course- I do not know about the 1/2 marathon this year, but the only time I saw the gu (or what ever they hand out) was after the 1/2 way mark of the marathon(Looking @ the map it was mile 16). It was b/4 we got to AK. There were bananas and oranges on the marathon course after the 1/2 marathoners turned off (mile 14). The map says there was something @ mile 9, but I do not remember it being there. There was chocolate right b/4 we went into MGM (no gu). I haven't looked @ the map for this year so it may have changed. Bree and I bring our on b/c mile 9 and 16 is too late to start taking them. You should start around mile 4-6 (about an hour into the run). Like Craig, I never take them in a 1/2, but for a full marathon, I start taking them early.
That is my opinion for the day.... :teeth:

TigerLily03 - How do you keep your belt around your hips? I have tried, but it always slides up to my waist area.

Christa

[plutosmyfav]

Garmin skills-- For the 201 I had to go to the Garmin site and download the program for the pc. It is totally worth the aggrevation of opening the user's manual!! ;)

Gues what???? I'm so excited!!!! I just signed DD and myself up for our first Mother/Daughter 5K! Its in Lexington on Nov 6th. She probably won't be able to run the whole thing so we'll wog it. But now I need to get her out more than once per week for training. There's just not enough hours in the day!

I love the Snicker's Marathon bars, too but I don't think I could eat them during a run. I use them as meal replacements in a hurry or recovery from weightlifting. I also love the Detour Whey bars (chocolate, carmel, peanuts). The small ones are 15g of protein and only 3 points. I get them at BJs for a decent price.

Terri-- great job on the 4 miler :cheer2:

The vision continues on the trail, I am tangled up in wires now. Remember I am wired to my cell phone and loop the earpiece around my neck and tucked into my bra strap, then comes the Ipod shuffle that I have newly added as my distance is increasing. Of course I never train without my HR monitor and will definitely have that with the watch on my wrist along with my Garmin of course. Whew! :rotfl2: I was amazed at how many people I saw at my half who just had the clothes on their backs and the shoes on their feet, no packs, no wires, nothing! I feel more like a mule than a mustang on my LRs with all the equipment I have to carry!

Sunny

[wtpclc]

Garmin users - Download teh software. Plug your charger into your pc and run the software. I think Garmin needs to be turned on and tehn you hit uplad. It's very simple once you download the softawre.

Colleen - I think I killed myself too. I hope your cold gets better soon! That's miserable.

My legs did not work yesterday. Can you say Stonker? My shoes were fine Saturday. Yesterday, they were too tight. I loosened them one, but then had to go again. My feet burned like crazy. DH made me walk until they felt normal agin. Then I tried to run. I think my shoes were so loose tha tI was wobbling and my knees hurt. I walked half of my 50 minutes. :( I did try to walk really fast though to keep the ehart rate up. I am really afraid for tempo now.

Also, has anyone had a pain on the top of the foot, almost to the ankle? I though it was from my old shoes. It was fine Saturday, but hurt during the day yesterday and while running. I iced it while doing my cold soak last night. Hopefully, that will help. 40 minutes XT lined up tonight. I'm just waiting to see how many funny looks I get at CUrves when I do the extra circuit time.

[Minnie]

Good morning everyone,

I finished my 1st official day of training last night :cool1: with a 30 min slow wog. I am not watching distance this week so far only trying to just get my rear back out on the road. It was very humid and warm last night and will be again tonight so that slows me down also. We do have nicer cooler weather coming in towards the end of the week so I'm looking forward to that :goodvibes

I'm planning on asking for a Garmin for my birthday which is at the end of this month. I have quite a bit of traveling coming up so having this tool would really help. So for all you experienced Garmin users out there which one should I ask for? What I mainly want it for is the distance/time and I think the little runner guy doing the pacing would be great to. Would I be okay then with the Garmin 101 or should I go for the 201???

Thanks everyone and have a great day!

[aladdinsgirl]

Good morning! :sunny: Glad to see that everyone's training is still going well. I did 35 minutes of r3/w2, I ended up doing 3.08 miles, pretty pleased with that. I had to stop twice to fix my ankle brace, I think I'm just going to have to get used to wearing it. I tried wearing 2 pairs of socks on my left foot, while the cushioning was great, the brace and the extra sock made my shoe too tight. So I stopped to take the extra sock off and then I just took the whole brace off. That lasted all of about 2 minutes before my ankle started protesting, so I had to stop again and put my brace back on. Grrr. :rolleyes: At the end of 35 minutes, my foot was sore, but not nearly as bad as the 5K.

Good info on the gu, I haven't tried any yet. I bought one about a month ago, but I haven't run far enough to need one. I'll second (or third) that the Snickers Marathon Bars are awesome, I have one after every lr. Sometimes the thought of it sitting in my car waiting for me is what gets me through my run! :teeth:

Oh, question for those who use the fanny packs when you run. Do you just buy a regular fanny pack from Target or wherever or do you have like a cool max one? I can't believe I'm asking this question since funny packs are against my religion ( :teeth: ), but I think it would be handy to have one on long runs for keys, cell phone, bars, etc. And do you guys carry water bottles in your hand? I don't like doing that, hearing the water swish around makes me think of the water swishing in my stomach and it makes me sick to think about. I usually drink 16 oz before my run and 16 oz after, that's fine for now, but when I get into 5 and 6 miles, I think I'll need water along the way. I do my lr's at a park, I guess I could just run to the car and take a swig, but that would require getting over to my car, digging in my pockets for the key, unlocking the car and then locking the car back and putting the key away. I don't want to take that much time for a drink of water. Just wondering what everyone else does, other than the water belts.

Lily--I would LOVE to see a picture of you with all of your paraphernalia. I bet that is a sight to see! :goodvibes

Colleen--That smoothie sounds great. Where do you get protein powder? At GNC?

Solo--Are you going to clue us in on what in the world happened? Glad you are okay! And awesome pace!! :cheer2:

Sunny--I can't believe you can run on the TM for 7 miles!! I can't do more than 3-31/2 before getting bored. You are the woman!! :banana:

I was going to say more, but I completely forgot what I was going to say. Oh well, this post is long enough anyway. In case you can't tell, I am a talker!! :chat: That was the only thing I ever got in trouble over at school, talking too much! Happy training everyone!!

Krista princess:

[aladdinsgirl]

Minnie--Go ahead and get the Garmin 201, it's just so great. There are quite a few differences between the 101 and 201, but the real clincher for me is that the 201 has a rechargable battery, like a cell phone while the 101 takes AAA batteries. There are other differences, the 201 has more features and I think it pulls from more satellites than the 101. If you are concerned about the price, I found it at www.walmart.com for $118. I really shopped around when I got it for Stephen for his birthday, trust me, that's the cheapest you'll find it (unless you go on ebay or something, but I rarely do that). After shipping and taxes the total was right around $130. Hope this helps.

Krista princess:

[TEK224]

I got my Garmin 201 from their site (thanks to a tip from someone here). It was $110 and you could get free shipping.

Terri

[keenercam]

Hi, everyone! Not much to report here. Did a 30 minute wog yesterday morning and did 30 minutes CT this morning (Sansone WATP 20 minute power mile and then some crunches, etc.)

Lily -- The mental picture of you with all your gear had me :rotfl:

Tomorrow is a "rest" day. UGH! I'm not good at doing that deliberately. :teeth: Of course, having to be at 3 meetings tomorrow night will make me grateful for no pressure to exercise.

Does anyone know -- The MFM walk the half plan has me resting on Sunday and Wednesday. Does that mean I really shouldn't do anything at all? I mean, if I feel up to going to the gym and doing the elliptical or bike, should I not? Also, if it says to walk for 30 minutes but I really feel like going further, should I not? Just curious as to what all you experienced half marathoners think. (of course, later on in the training when it says I have to walk 10 miles, I am sure I won't be the slightest bit tempted to go further than prescribed! ;) )

[TammyNC]

Does anyone know -- The MFM walk the half plan has me resting on Sunday and Wednesday. Does that mean I really shouldn't do anything at all? I mean, if I feel up to going to the gym and doing the elliptical or bike, should I not? Also, if it says to walk for 30 minutes but I really feel like going further, should I not? Just curious as to what all you experienced half marathoners think. (of course, later on in the training when it says I have to walk 10 miles, I am sure I won't be the slightest bit tempted to go further than prescribed! ;) )

I was just wondering the same thing. I will take the Sunday rest day, but was thinking that on Wednesday I'm used to at least 30 minutes. Looking forward to hear what others think.

[wtpclc]

I thought rest meant rest. Give your muscles time to recover. If you push them too hard, you could injure yourself. I swear I've heard people say that rest meant easy, not completely off, though. :confused3

[TXBelle]

According to John Bingham, author of MFM, rest means rest. You are supposed to do nothing that day in order to allow your muscles to rest and your body to recover. That being said, I noticed that for the MFM full marathon training schedule, there is only one rest day per week. So, I have modified the 1/2 marathon training plan to have only one rest day per week. I take a long bike ride on Sunday in order to continue my training for the MS 150 bike ride in April 2006.

Today was cross-training. I rode the bike for 30 minutes and did 10 minutes on the elliptical. Still haven't opened that abs DVD. :rolleyes:

As to water issues, I have a Camelback fanny pack that allows me to carry 20 oz. of water. The only problem is that 20 oz. is not enough for a long run. I also don't like the weighted down feeling. So I have started carrying bottled water instead and putting extra bottles in the mailbox for long runs (based on a suggestion from someone on this thread).

[zoegirl]

Good afternoon!!

Lily - the image of you and all your "gear" is cracking me up! You are prepared! If I thought my back could stand it, I'd wear a full back pack slam full of stuff that I "might" need along the way.
The first year we ran WDW my FIL was our pack horse. He had shorts on with pockets for the baggies of gatorade powder b/c princess me princess: doesn't like powerade, plus he wrapped my extra shirt and Christa's extra shirt around his waist when we got hot, then he had a big water bottle in case one of his princesses ran out of our own along the way. We couldn't get dehydrated now could we? Then the man carried a camera in some extra pocket he had in the pants he wore over the shorts and managed to take like 100 pictures of us in our 1st ever marathon. He didn't run with us last year but he will this year. I'm glad, I don't like carrying my own stuff :) princess:

You guys have been talking about gu. Christa was right, they do pass out power gel somewhere between 13 and 18. It is in fact power gel, because we all know that disney would not offer anything that wasn't a coke product. You will get powerade to drink (yuck) dasani water (yum not tap) and power gels. If you're slick you can grab like 10 of them and have enough for your longs runs for the next 3 months. :teeth: They pass out oranges and bannans along the way. They look sick by the time you get to them and they smell even worse. Then you get a nestle chocolate as you run through MGM.

Ran a short run yesterday afternoon, threw some sqats and lunges in at the end for good measure. Can't say it was a great run. I do not like running in the afternoon. Any one else feel this way? I feel like all the energy has been sucked out of me. But I got it done, and that's what counts right?

Well the lunch hour is over, must get back to work.

until later,
~bree~

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Colleen and anyone else interested in the gels on the course- I do not know about the 1/2 marathon this year, but the only time I saw the gu (or what ever they hand out) was after the 1/2 way mark of the marathon(Looking @ the map it was mile 16). It was b/4 we got to AK. There were bananas and oranges on the marathon course after the 1/2 marathoners turned off (mile 14). The map says there was something @ mile 9, but I do not remember it being there. There was chocolate right b/4 we went into MGM (no gu). I haven't looked @ the map for this year so it may have changed. Bree and I bring our on b/c mile 9 and 16 is too late to start taking them. You should start around mile 4-6 (about an hour into the run). Like Craig, I never take them in a 1/2, but for a full marathon, I start taking them early.
That is my opinion for the day.... :teeth:

TigerLily03 - How do you keep your belt around your hips? I have tried, but it always slides up to my waist area.

Christa

Thanks for that Christa--I was sick last year and really have no idea where it appeared..the first nourishment of edible variety was roughly at 9 miles, but I do not recall what that was. Could have sworn that someone was trying to hand me a power gel. I guess they weren't.

But yes--anyone doing the full will need nourishment way before that point anyway, no matter what form it is provided.

Very very very very important for those that don't eat before their long jaunt or refuel during their long jaunt...to really consider trying and practicing. It may be a bit uneasy the first couple of times that you do it (I got cramps my first long run this season b/c of my breakfast--but no problems anymore)....you may feel that your times might improve and your recovery is better. :teeth:

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Oh, question for those who use the fanny packs when you run. Do you just buy a regular fanny pack from Target or wherever or do you have like a cool max one? I can't believe I'm asking this question since funny packs are against my religion ( :teeth: ), but I think it would be handy to have one on long runs for keys, cell phone, bars, etc. And do you guys carry water bottles in your hand?

My fanny pack I wear up front---and it is the American Express Disney one they used to hand out when you charged your Disney vacation on American express. I have an overprized fanny-like pack thing that holds a bottle and I wear it on the back.

Someone on our team has a really cool one that is a fanny pack and bottle holder. Looked kind a big--but it was neat. I think he got it at Walmart or Target.

It sits on top of my clothes, so I don't worry about it being a cool max item.

[wtpclc]

Heather - Just wanted to clarify that the full marathoners do get weeks with 2 rest days. I think it averages about every otehr week. There were no extras at teh beginiing, I just finished 2 weeks in a row w/o and extra, but I get an extra this week and all but one week this month. So, give yourself and added break every now and then.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

for no pressure to exercise.

Does anyone know -- The MFM walk the half plan has me resting on Sunday and Wednesday. Does that mean I really shouldn't do anything at all? I mean, if I feel up to going to the gym and doing the elliptical or bike, should I not? Also, if it says to walk for 30 minutes but I really feel like going further, should I not? Just curious as to what all you experienced half marathoners think. (of course, later on in the training when it says I have to walk 10 miles, I am sure I won't be the slightest bit tempted to go further than prescribed! ;) )


Couple things--I'm the poster child of injury for doing more than you are supposed to before you are supposed to be doing it.

If you want to follow a training program it is best to do the workouts as suggested. So if it says do ____ for 30 minutes...you should do it for 30 minutes, not including your warm up and cool down. The exception would be for cross training activities that you have been doing long before your training. My xtrain is a pilates dvd that is an hour that was prescribed to me--no way I can cut it down to 30---so I'm cheating...but I was doing these exercises for several months. If I could cut it down, I would. I'm already paying the price for only doing it 1 time per week...but really no way to squeeze more in.

AS far as those rest days--they are rest...don't go swimming, don't go biking, don't go running instead of walking or walking instead of running. Don't do anything deliberately in the form of exercise. It doesn't mean sitting all day--it just means don't do a workout. Gives your muscles a chance to heal and rest and let them get used to the load they are getting.

I hate rest days--but they are there to keep your body safe and can impede your progress or set you up for injury later down the road. Been there, done that. Not following the guidelines can make for some pretty sucky set backs.

ETA: Rest means rest--but it does not mean being lazy...sitting around for muscles to lock up (on down the road when the distances are more intense) is bad...you want to keep moving....you just don't want to go and deliberately exercise.

As far as MTM only the walking and running full schedule have the one rest day....I think it assumes an experienced fitness level....and many marathon schedules out there have just the one rest day....for novices, the 2 days is recommended and according to the book, if you are a novice, you wouldn't be tackling a full before you tackle a half and you wouldn't be running that full in entirety unless you were in tip top shape anyway. So take that with a grain of salt in your consideration of eliminating a rest day.

We have an elite runner on our team (I say elite because in about the time that it took most to do 8 miles, this girl did 12). She's on a 3 day training program--and if it is the one I'm thinking of, it only has 2 xtrain days on top of that. So even then, she is resting for 2 days--and this girl....FLIES!!!!

Wow--that was a long edit.

[keenercam]

Thanks, Lisa! That certainly answers the question.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Thanks, Lisa! That certainly answers the question.

:teeth:

I've gotten spoken to quite a bit about this by my coaches. :blush:

I'd just hate to hear one of us later on suffering a set back (aka--injury) b/c we were very excited in the beginning to do more.

[TammyNC]

Thanks for the rest info.

[TiffJ]

Well today was my 40 min walk. It went pretty good. I avg 14:47 pace for the whole 40 min. I was happy with that. I just want a sub 15 min pace for the race.

I think I'm going to try the sport Jelly Bellies. Even the thought of Gu makes me gag. I like the Snickers Marathon but I think it's too heavy to use during LR. My mom likes this idea because she loves Jelly Bellies.

Minnie-def get the 201. I love mine & I haven't even begun to use it to it's fullest potential. The rechargable battery is great. It last for 14 hrs on 1 charges.

Now I dont want any of you guys pushing yourselves too much & getting injured. There are rest days for a reason & if you get injured you will have to take a bunch of extra rest days! I have not had a problem taking my rest days. My calves appreaciate them!

[crzy4pooh]

Hello everyone! I am checking in again - it's been a few months. :blush: I've been reading the thread off and on all summer. So glad everyone is doing well! I kind of lost a bit of my motivation, and stopped running for a while, but I think I'm back on track! I am up to 8.5 for my long run (last Sat.), and wogged 3.25 last night. I want to up my mileage because I know I'm a bit behind on the training schedule (trying to do Galloway's), but also trying not to overdo before this weekend. DH and I are doing both races at Disney - the Komen 5K and Disney 10K. (Another reason I had to get things back on track!!!) :earseek: Anyone else going this weekend?

Anyway, it feels good to be back. The weather lately has been soooo nice! I can't wait to get read how the training is going for everyone else! :goodvibes

[wtpclc]

OK, we need to get going on this. I did a search adn Liz had all the details on imprinting CoolMax shirts.

So about the shirts....I found place that will imprint them as well! Here is the info...Shirt Info (http://http://www.imprintedlogo.com/t-shirt_short.htm) We would need to add a one time $15 set up fee for the printing. Printing can be a 12x12 area for the back of the shirts. For the price shown, that reflects a two color print. To add each color beyond two, we will need to add a $15 set up charge and $.65 per color per shirt. That is based on the 24-49 shirt price. If we get more it will get cheaper.....less, more expensive. For the artfully talented folks.....they would prefer the logo done in Adobe Illustrator, in an EPS file with the font seperately....in case they do not have it.....Since names on our shirts has been mentioned and it is going to get expensive to do such a thing....I know that some of the iron transfers that can be made on the computer are quite good.......is it possible to think about printing a name and then irioning it above the logo that we use so the shirts are personalized?

We have a saying, but nothing else. We need a logo ASAP.

Liz - I'm thinking you would rather not be in charge of this, because you are not running, but please let em know if I'm off base.

It looks like 14 cotton and 44 CoolMax were requested. If you follow the link in Liz's post, there are price ranges and minimums. I'm not sure if teh price is how many you need for each size or total. My guess is per size. Liz, can you clarify?

Seeing as there is not a huge request for cotton, I would prefer just to do one. If someone wants to take over cotton, that's fine. If I can do it easily through wherever we end up, i'll go for it. I just can'r spend too much time on it.

Also, that place only appears to have short sleeve. Someone gave me a link elsewhere on teh Shirt thread, but I could not find sleeveless there either. ETA: They did have mens and women's tanks at the link above. There is a minimum of 12 for each type. I'm going to start a thread for sizes and short sleeve or tank.

Has anyone else found anything better? I am going to try to look at soem local places too. In the meantime, we really need a logo and a font for the shirt.

[littlegreydonkey]

Hi all - adding to the rest debate, I have to have my two days off or I'd go mad, and you'll really want it when you get to the higher mileages. I'm getting over the fact that I'm currently running slightly less than normal by doing a longer run than I'm supposed to on my Monday nights (not least because Adidas are organising free races here to get everyone ready for the Auckland half marathon on the 30th). My last two Monday's have been the same distance as my weekend long run - but done in two halfs with a 15 minute break between them, and I'm cutting about 10-15 minutes off my long run time!!!. Am now trying to work out if I can run the marathon as four x 10.5km runs with a little sit down in between.

Carrie re your footpain - I get that when my shoes are laced too tight, if my orthotic moves, or, if I swap to shoes without a bendy sole. I actually had it Saturday on my long run as I was in new shoes about half a size too big and they alter the position of my orthotic. Don't quite know what Im going to do there - they've discontinued my favourite shoe so I can't find any in my correct size, and my perfect pair are about ready for retirement. Every other shoe I've tried gives me blisters for a few months, and I do not want to be running 40+km a week with blisters.

[gatorphipps]

AS far as those rest days--they are rest...don't go swimming, don't go biking, don't go running instead of walking or walking instead of running. Don't do anything deliberately in the form of exercise. It doesn't mean sitting all day--it just means don't do a workout. Gives your muscles a chance to heal and rest and let them get used to the load they are getting.
I hate rest days--but they are there to keep your body safe and can impede your progress or set you up for injury later down the road. Been there, done that. Not following the guidelines can make for some pretty sucky set backs.
ETA: Rest means rest--but it does not mean being lazy...sitting around for muscles to lock up (on down the road when the distances are more intense) is bad...you want to keep moving....you just don't want to go and deliberately exercise.

I have to second and third the rest days! Mainly the days after a LR when I can hardly go up and down the steps! I do not know anything about MFM, but it sounds alot like what Bree, DH and I follow. We just do what Ron tells us to do. However, if you are going Goofy, you do need to do back to back LRs to get your body used to this. :earseek: We do these every other weekend and that seems to work great. I do sometimes swim lightly, bike, or kick boxing before LRs, but that is just me and I don't go all out. :rolleyes: I have been doing this for 2 to 3 years so if you are not used to being this active, do not do this. I think everyone is different, so you have to do what works for you.:confused3 Once again, just my opinion. It sounds like I am on both sides doesn't it?

Ran 3 miles and lifted weights for about an hour today. Tried to work on the core and arms with weights (some legs). Trying to take the running milage easy b/c we are doing 7 Thursday and 14 Friday! :earseek:

We are getting so close & I am EXCITED! :hourglass

[monte]

Whew! Just got back from an hour fitness class called Muscle Madness and now I know why they call it that! ouch :sunny:

[xterratri]

crzy4pooh- mom(NYcpa) and I are doing the Race for the Cure this weekend but not the Race for the Taste. It's a mini vacation- I want to get a little sleep. I also did the Maine Half Marathon this past weekend so racing both this coming weekend wouldn't be the brightest thing I ever did.

rest debate- I rarely take a day completely off but I NEVER do back to back hard workouts in the same sport. If I ride really hard or really long, I'll tend to put an easy ride day in there before doing a long run or I'll swim. My training schedule is a bit different though because so far I'm an abject failure at training like a runneras so far I've done far more riding than running. I have only been following the training plan for the long runs plus running twice more per week. I am going to change that though and see if through higher run mileage and some tempo runs I can pick up some foot speed.

I biked easy yesterday and swam today. Have a little soreness going down stairs. Would have biked today but the fog cleared out only briefly. If you went inland today the temperature rose 15 degrees and it was sunny and clear. I've ridden the coast when it's socked in but I don't really like it as I'm not a huge fan of the wet and cold combo. Tomorrow is a run day so I'll do that regardless of the weather.

[Calcio]

I know I'm late with comments, this job thing is cramping my style :teeth: , but

Rest means rest. You are stressing your body big time as you build, and rest days (1) allow your body time off to heal, and (2) give you fresher legs for the longer or faster training runs. If you're planning a long run, and you feel fatigued even before you begin, it isn't going to be pretty. It's easy to obsess about not doing enough training, but if you are working hard, you're much more likely to over train than under train. Give your body a break, it has earned it.

ALSO, in the week before a race, be sure to taper and rest. You absolutely cannot do anything to improve your fitness in that last week, but you sure can mess yourself up by arriving at the starting line tired. I learned this lesson long ago in a very, very ugly 20K, and so far I haven't repeated that mistake. For the 10K Sunday morning today was my last run, an easy 5K, and on Thursday afternoon I'll do 30 easy minutes on the bike. Travel to Orlando Friday, walk about some Friday and Saturday, and I should feel lively Sunday at 7 a.m.

For the half on Saturday, January 7, my last run will be late Monday, short and easy, and I'll bike Wednesday evening, again short and easy. The goal is to feel fresh for the half, not work hard in advance.

Regarding Gel, I vividly remember the stuff at about mile 9 last year. As we ran the stretch from the ticket and transport center to the Contemporary, just under the monorail, there were tubes of the stuff everywhere on the ground, slippery stuff it is too. I felt like I was in a Marx Brothers movie, trying not to slip on the gel. I assume I'll need some during the full, but seeing it squished all over the road wasn't too appetizing.

Craig

[chimera]

Hi, Lynnda! Welcome back! Looks like your training is going well! How's Bill doing?

Just a request for everyone planning on the Friday night dinner to please check out the thread. We have some options on how we want to do this.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=10146032#post10146032

It's starting to feel incredibly real!

[plutosmyfav]

Here's one idea for the WISH logo. I'll try a few more, ASAP.

http://livinglively.com/clipart/wishLOGO2.jpg

Can we have 3 colors, 2 or only 1? Any restrictions. Any suggestions?

[Tiger Lily 03]

Hi all,
Slippery gel, I don't seem to remember the slippery part. Glad of that.
Craig, sorry your work is getting in the way of our training thread. Sheesh!

I really pull that waistpack of mine on kinda tight so it does not slip off. I don't have much of a problem with it slipping up, only does that once in a while.

Lisa, I use that fine waistpack mostly too. I was just thinking of the DIS waistback in case I might want to pack away MORE stuff!
:rotfl:

After reflecting about the sustenance situation, I am sure I will be taking the water and gels to have at my pleasure, so the waistpack will come in handy.

Sunny, you are an artist! I like that logo for sure!

I went out for a 5 miler tonight. It was a great evening. Lovely weather. Still had some issue with my Garmin tracking in ohter figures than my jogging distance. Perplexing...
fooled around with that for longer than I should but still came in at 1:12. I did try to press up for part of the times so I guess that made up for the times I was crawling whilst fussing with my toy.

[plutosmyfav]

Here's another idea.

http://livinglively.com/clipart/wishLOGO3.jpg

What color will the shirts be?

[crzy4pooh]

crzy4pooh- mom(NYcpa) and I are doing the Race for the Cure this weekend but not the Race for the Taste. It's a mini vacation- I want to get a little sleep. I also did the Maine Half Marathon this past weekend so racing both this coming weekend wouldn't be the brightest thing I ever did.

Hey! I'd love to meet you both. I've read about some of your races - you are truly amazing! :earseek: I will be going slow on Saturday so I can be okay on Sunday - I will NOT get swept in the 10K!!! :blush: I will be wearing a shirt that says "In training for the Disney World Marathon" with a picture of Pooh doing his exercise in front of a mirror for the Komen. On Sunday I will have a tank with Mickey and Minnie and "In training for the Disney Marathon..." (I got inspired by the T-shirt design thread on the Crafting/Scrapbooking Board - can you tell???) :teeth: I know there are tons of people, but please come say "Hi" if you see me - it would be great to meet some Wishers! :teeth:

Chimera - Thanks! It really feels good to know I am doing something positive and healthy. Thanks for asking about Bill - he is awesome!!! He has already done a 14+ long run. He has also been very patient with my lack of motivation! :blush: In fact, he has done everything he can to get me out running again - he got me a garmin, and a jogging stroller, and an arm radio, and shoes/socks, etc. Pretty much every excuse I came up with, he found a solution! Plus, he's just a great hubby!!!!! :love2:

Well, I need to get some sleep. I'm going to do a very slow wog tomorrow morning with DS in the jogger. That will probably be it before this weekend.

Happy training!!! :cheer2:

[MelRhoads]

Sunny - I like your t-shirt ideas! They look great!

Lynn - I'm doing my first century ride this sat. Any advice? It is a charity ride and we have a team of at least 6 people so we should be able to draft a fair amount. I think there are pretty good food/aid stations every 10 miles or so. I don't want to stop at all because I can see us taking FOREVER if we do!!! I don't want to miss the one's with good food though. Last year I did the 50 and I remember that one of the aid stations had cracker jacks YUM!!!

Today I did a 7 mile tempo run. My pace was around 9:22, which is pretty good for me. I did stop the garmin for a bathroom break in between miles 3 and 4, but I kept it going through all the traffic lights and 4 way stops. Tomorrow is not a running day, but I might swim in the evening. I have my long run on thurs (13miles) then this weekend is the century ride. I am resting sunday (or I may kayak with the boy and grandparents, but that won't be too hard core!!!)

Christa - I am stressing about the goofy thing. I noticed that you are already doing back to back long runs. I decided (because of all of the adventure races and rides....) that I was going to use the 3day/week program that you told me about in runners world and then add 1/2 the mileage the day before on the 3 longest runs (1 eighteen miler and 2 twenty milers) How hard has it been for you and bree to do the back to back runs? I think by the time I get up to the bigger mileage runs, all of my other races will be done and i can actually focus more on running.

I'm going to soak in a hot bath and then drink a decaf mocha!!!!!!!

[TEK224]

Sunny, I like your T-shirt designs also!

Have a question on Carbo-loading. Read somewhere that you should c-load two nights before race instead of the night before. For those doing Goofy, if you c-load on Thurs. (before then Sat. 1/2,) do you think it'll mess things up for the full on Sunday?

Terri

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Sunny, I like your T-shirt designs also!

Have a question on Carbo-loading. Read somewhere that you should c-load two nights before race instead of the night before. For those doing Goofy, if you c-load on Thurs. (before then Sat. 1/2,) do you think it'll mess things up for the full on Sunday?

Terri

We had our nutrition clinic last night and I got a whole bunch of information regarding in season eating (you need LOTS of carbs--oh my!) and then what to do for pre-event, during event, and post event.

I would be more than happy to photocopy and mail or scan and e-mail. Later today when I have more opportunity I will post the key points.

The key is fueling and taking lots of water during the week before the event. And during season to be getting plenty of carbs so that your body learns to store more glycogen and use it more effectively during the long runs.

I will post more information later.

[wtpclc]

Can we have 3 colors, 2 or only 1? Any restrictions. Any suggestions?Sunny - It looks like only 2 colors. The shirts are "safety yellow", which is close to lime green as coolmax has. Awesome designs!

[Minnie]

Good morning everyone,

I made it out for my wog last night. The waddleon.com 14wk program will likely be my lifesaver in this quest. Thank you to whoever found it for me!

Also thank you all for the Garmin advice. The amazon.com price looks to be the best so I'm planning on ordering before the end of the month in time to have it before I have to travel to Texas. It'll be a birthday present to myself as none of my family really understands this running kick I'm on.

Question time - What does everyone who runs outside in the fall/winter wear? Where I live it is going to be very cool very quickly. I don't want to be stuck inside on the TM so I need to get some outside wear quickly. Any suggestions?

Sunny - I love the art work you've done for the shirts!

Lisa Loves Pooh - I would be highly interested in the nutrition advise that you were given. I'm on the SBD program so I try to get the so called "right carbs." I was worried about lack of carbs but in the Oct RW there was a nutrition article that used SBD as part of it.

Have a great day everyone!!!

[wtpclc]

Minnie -We started early March, so we ran in the snow. I got us UnderArmor long johns and we had wind suits on top. That seemed to work fairly well. When I bought my Garmin on Amazon, they gave me an extra $30 off to get their credit card. If tehy still have that offer, it was a nice one. I ended up getting my 201 for about $97. You'll love it!

Most of the "good carbs" out there are high fiber. I worry that SBD does not give you engouh net carbs. Curious to see what Lisa says, though. I was trying to be low carb befor etraining. WIth PowerAde adn Gum, though, that's really off.

[TammyNC]

I went by the training plan and am taking today as a rest day. I will be back out walking tomorrow while I am on vacation. Lisa, can't wait to hear about the nutrition information you mentioned. I have a Garmin but haven't used it to download my information. I need to do some additional reading. Have a great day everyone.

[gatorphipps]

Christa - I am stressing about the goofy thing. I noticed that you are already doing back to back long runs. I decided (because of all of the adventure races and rides....) that I was going to use the 3day/week program that you told me about in runners world and then add 1/2 the mileage the day before on the 3 longest runs (1 eighteen miler and 2 twenty milers) How hard has it been for you and bree to do the back to back runs? I think by the time I get up to the bigger mileage runs, all of my other races will be done and i can actually focus more on running.

Melissa - The double long runs have not been bad at all. But we have only done one so far. :rotfl2: As good of shape you are in, I do not think you will have trouble. Last year, I ran LRs with Bree on Friday and with DH on Saturday. I did this until both were doing 16 miles and did not have any trouble. Then we were able to run together.

Everyone who is doing Goofy - I know how the debate has gone with rest b/4 a LR. And I remember how I felt after a 20+ mile run. (up to 20 I normally do not get sore. The 22 is bad though. :rolleyes: ) But if you are doing Goofy, you must train your body to go long 2 days in a row. B/4 my double LRs, everyother week, I take a full day b/4 and after the LRs. But the weeks we do our tempo runs of 10 - 12 miles I will be doing something easy the day b/4. We are not training for a marathon or a half marathon. We are training for both and training will be different. (And harder!) :earseek:

About eating b/4 the race- Just dont do anything different from what you are used to. Like eat a bowl of pasta or something like that. :lovestruc I love to eat! Carb loading 2x. :banana:

Christa

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I agree with Christa--you will need to either bump your rest day to another day--or lose it all together for the Goofy.

Those training without doing a half-long run and a full-long run back to back are setting up for disappointment and possibly not getting their goofy medal. I know some who are not doing a LD back to back in training and I am very concerned for their success.

[kaf7878]

Gosh, you guys are doing awesome!! I've been reading sporadically but haven't been too good abt posting. We just got back from MNSSHP this past weekend--soo much fun! It got me very excited to return in January for the marathon!!!

I've been sticking with my Hal Higdon plan--this weekend I'll do 6 miles. But it will start accelerating quickly. DH and I are running 5 tonight.

Thanks for all the info on the gels and such--I need to really think seriously abt my plan for nutrition during the race. FYI, they did hand out gels during mile 9 last year. I still have mine--didn't open it since I had never used them before (didn't want to end up doubled over ont he side of the road!). I'm wondering if its still okay to use??

Hang in there guys!

[solotraveler]

Hi everyone!


Sorry I haven't checked in-- I've been out and about. I have a 44 minute session today (run 3/walk 1) that I am actually looking forward to. :goodvibes I need to do something physical-- going bonkers here.

Minnie- Keep up the good work!! Sounds like you are really doing it and really enjoying it! Wonderful!!

Keener- I'm fine :) Really :) Someone else was a real bonehead and did themselves a serious mischief at our Saturday event. I can't say more than that since I'm on my work connection. Very evenful, though. Made the Sunday evening news here and everything.

Carrie- Yes, it was supposed to be a fun trip. :guilty: I just didn't want toleave work at 2am and drive the 10 hours to Ottawa. I'll have to figure out another weekend to go up.

I hear you about these long distances. After I ran my 9-miler on Friday I looked at the course map and realize I had just run from the start line, all through Epcot and made it to the Polynesian. When I think about it that way, I'm pretty impressed with myself!

Re: Carboloading- In Marathoning for Mortals, John Bingham talks about how huge carboloading is somewhat unnecessary if you are eating properly anyway. There is only so much gylcogen that your muscles can hold (a function of you fitness level, training and genetics) so anything over that amount is just sort of "extra." That said, I'm still eating Italian the night before the race. :teeth:

OK, back to work-- Happy training everyone!
Solotraveler :earsboy:

[TiffJ]

I love seeing these little improvements in my performance each week!! Who would think that would ever happen to me. Today was xt & I did the bike at the gym. Last week I did 6 miles in 30 min (and it was tough) today I did 6.55 miles in 30 min and it was much easier even!!! :banana:

It's getting exciting with each passing week!!!!!!!

[wtpclc]

One of these days, curiousity is really going to kill this cat.

I think this is what ruined solo's planned trip..
Fun at a *** football game Saturday night turned into disaster for one fan who authorities say got a little out of hand.

The *** County Sheriff's Department says Saturday night after the **** football game, a 40 year old woman from *** stole a golf cart, drove onto *** Drive and was hit by a car.

A university spokeswoman says the cart was being used to shuttle people around during the sporting event.

That is something that happens regularly.

She says apparently the cart was left unattended for a time, and that's when authorities say 40 year old Karen Escoe took the cart, drove it off campus and pulled into traffic.

A 19 year old driver from **** hit Escoe, sending her to the hospital with serious injuries including a broken pelvis and leg, as well as internal injuries.

The sheriff's department says Escoe was under the influence of alcohol and they're awaiting lab results to see to what extent.

A university spokeswoman says they are also investigating to see why the cart was left unattended, but it's too early to tell if any policies will change because of the incident.

OK, some drunk stole a golf cart and drove it onto a very street. Another article said that she was on teh shoulder, but then swerved in front of the car. I guess teh city slicker didn't think the cars around here do as much damage. :sad2:

[zoegirl]

Hey everybody!!

Just got back from lunch...pizza and wings! Does pizza count as carbs, and do wings count as a good source of protein? UGH, I feel :sick: I only ate one piece of pizza and 5 wings but that really can't be good for me can it? ANNDDD I ate a side salad, so that was my veggies and fiber right? :rotfl:
I told myself that I was going to be VERY good the next few weeks so I can eat whatever I want on our vacation to "The World" the end of this month. Umm yeah...I haven't been very good the last week or so, I need to get on track. Does anyone else have a hard time watching what you're eating when you know you're burning tons of calories with all this running???? I mean I'm eating because I'm actually hungry. But I guess I need to make more of an effort to eat healthier, and not eat pizza, wings, and fries (my weakness). If you guys aren't at the starving point yet, just wait until you really start packing on the miles, you'll be starving for days afterwards.

Took cycle class last night, and today is my full rest day before double long run days. I actually felt pretty good for the first set of double long runs we did a couple weeks ago, and I'm excited to see how I'll feel when we start adding 8, 10 and 12 miles the day before our "long" LR days. (did that make sense?) Yes I'm morbid, but I am excited to see how I'll do this year since I'm doing something different from the last two years. Ya'll send us some :wizard: to make it through both runs unscathed!

Must get back to work now!

~bree~

[wtpclc]

Bree - I have been eating like a horse (a race horse, I hope). :p I tend to start on teh healthy side, but when I run out of food, I go vending machine. Not good!

[aladdinsgirl]

Bree--When are you going to be in WDW? Stephen and I will be there Oct. 22-30 (in just 17 days!!!! :hourglass ), maybe we can meet up if you're there then. Is it weird that Stephen and I were getting excited the other night when we were picking out our running routes?? :confused3 :teeth:

Krista princess:

[wtpclc]

solo -Forgot to mention, dh informs me of where we are on the WDW route as we do our long runs. It seemed like forever to run far enough to get out of Epcot!

[keenercam]

Is anyone interested in renting a bedroom for Friday and Saturday nights?

Here is the deal. Our kids aren’t coming with us and we have a 2 bedroom villa at Beach Club Villas. We would be willing to rent the second bedroom out to someone those two nights, and if you are running the marathon, you wouldn't have to "move out" until after the event, so you could go back to the villa and do laundry, do a recovery meal, etc..

For those of you who don’t know, the villas have a full-size washer & dryer (great for washing post-event sweaty clothes) and a full-size kitchen. Beach Club Villas is also an easy walk to and from EPCOT (through the International Gateway during operating hours) and has an amazing pool complex -- Stormalong Bay.

If you are interested, send me a PM.

ETA: I believe the 2nd BR in all the units has 2 full or queen sized beds.

[Tiger Lily 03]

Melissa - The double long runs have not been bad at all. But we have only done one so far. :rotfl2: As good of shape you are in, I do not think you will have trouble. Last year, I ran LRs with Bree on Friday and with DH on Saturday. I did this until both were doing 16 miles and did not have any trouble. Then we were able to run together.

Everyone who is doing Goofy - I know how the debate has gone with rest b/4 a LR. And I remember how I felt after a 20+ mile run. (up to 20 I normally do not get sore. The 22 is bad though. :rolleyes: ) But if you are doing Goofy, you must train your body to go long 2 days in a row. B/4 my double LRs, everyother week, I take a full day b/4 and after the LRs. But the weeks we do our tempo runs of 10 - 12 miles I will be doing something easy the day b/4. We are not training for a marathon or a half marathon. We are training for both and training will be different. (And harder!) :earseek:

About eating b/4 the race- Just dont do anything different from what you are used to. Like eat a bowl of pasta or something like that. :lovestruc I love to eat! Carb loading 2x. :banana:

ChristaAll I can say is OH MY! :earseek:
I love hearing about your training suggestions.

Lisa, I too am interested in your nutrition information.

[chimera]

Rumor is that John Bingham and Jenny Hadfield will be at the Disney marathon!

I did W3/R2 tonight...15:10 pace. Monday was a stonker. I may need an intervention from y'all...I bought another pair of shoes to try...Mizuno Wave Creations. Tried them on the TM on Monday and my legs hurt the rest of the night. I think I need to stop trying new shoes...I'm just afraid I might miss out on the 'perfect' pair for me. Or maybe I just have a shoe fetish? :teeth:

[plutosmyfav]

I did 8.6 miles tonight and it was totally BLAH. I intended to do 10 but I tried laps around a pond (2.2 miles) and found I just couldn't make myself go another round!

Here's my Applefest finish. I'm ready to joing the "looks like a dork while running" club!!!! :rotfl:

Applefest Finish (http://www.brightroom.com/view_user_photo.asp?EVENTID=9556&PWD=&ID=17321078&FROM=photos&BIB=802)

Middle of the Pack (http://www.brightroom.com/view_user_photo.asp?EVENTID=9556&PWD=&ID=17320085&FROM=photos&BIB=802)

Mel(Chimera) I did the same thing searching for the perfect shoe until I stumbled upon Asics Cumulus, now I never think twice! I hope you find your perfect shoe :cloud9:

Is it too late to suggest that white might be a better color than yellow for the shirts? Just my 2cents!

I plan to work some more on logo ideas-- today got away from me.

Sunny

[wtpclc]

Is it too late to suggest that white might be a better color than yellow for the shirts? Just my 2cents!
As long as it's available from teh site I know of (and it is) or someone knows a place where I can get it, doesn't matter to me. I do like teh idea of a color that you can easily pick out of teh crowd, though.

Other thougths?

[TEK224]

Lisa, I would love to have some of the nutrition info. It's not really my strong point :rolleyes:

You guys are making me a little nervous about the back to back long runs.
How many should you do before the race? I'm planning a slow wog for the Goofy. I am building my distance, but don't think I'll get up to doing more than a 16-17 long wog before the marathon. (I realize that is not ideal, but I'm gonna run out of time. ) That's why I plan to take it slow.

Any suggestions?

Terri

[plutosmyfav]

As long as it's available from teh site I know of (and it is) or someone knows a place where I can get it, doesn't matter to me. I do like teh idea of a color that you can easily pick out of teh crowd, though.

Other thougths?

I hadn't thought about standing out. That's a good point. I just never wear yellow! I guess I can warm up to the idea :goodvibes

[Tiger Lily 03]

Sunny, those pics are fabulous! You look great.

Terri, I don't know what to tell you there. I am nervous about the whole thing myself.

Mel sorry about the shoe issues. Makes me cringe a lot because I am going for shoes some time this month or beginning of next for sure.
:hyper:

[wtpclc]

I hadn't thought about standing out. That's a good point. I just never wear yellow! I guess I can warm up to the idea :goodvibes
Maybe it's because I wore orange running in hs. I never thought about wearing a color that looked good on me while running! lol!

[kaf7878]

Did anyone get the WDW marathon email?? Clif Shots is offering pacing groups for marathoners this year! Has anyone run with a pacer before?? You can sign up for the one with your goal time--I'm just wondering how you handle bathroom breaks when running with a pace group--do you go and try to catch up??

Did my 5m yesterday--last 1/2 m was rough but I made it. Today I have 4 m and then am "off" from running till Sunday. Will be a nice break for the legs!

[TiffJ]

My son, nieces & dad are doing the 5k. Since is starts and ends in Epcot do the rest of us have to have tickets if we want to get in & watch them? If the runners dont have tickets do they just kick them out after the race or what?

It's getting closer & closer. Time to start hammering out the details!!

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Chimera--it took me 3 pairs of shoes in 3 weeks to find a suitable pair. However, I have a lovely running shop that tells you to just bring them back if they don't work out. I feel so bad doing it. But that courtesy has allowed me to settle on a nice pair of New Balance sneakers. They were the ones I had in the spring, only a wider pair. I hated the ones I had--and we discovered, it's because I had the standard width. Now I love them.


Hubby forwarded me the marathon e-mail (I don't get graced with them until Team in Training submits my paperwork)...


There are 29,000 between the two events registered---and I am not sure if that counts the charity allocated spots or not.

But it indeed looks like roughly a similar sized crowd (if not more :() as last year even though the event was split across two days. So prepare for that crowd---go running through the mall on Black Friday ;) ;).

Nutrition info coming--I hope it is in my car as it isn't in my house. Things that make you go hmmmmm.....

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I am almost finished typing of the nutrition information.

We are on our way out to a fire station for a field trip...so I will finish and post this when I get back, both on this thread and on the FAQ.

Also--if you are interested in perhaps a scanned copy of these handouts--You can PM me your e-mail address. I'm only typing a cliff's notes verson of what I have, but if you are into more detail, I can send it your way.

[keenercam]

Nutrition info coming--I hope it is in my car as it isn't in my house. Things that make you go hmmmmm.....

Lisa -- Check the shelf with your Bibles! :teeth:

Sunny -- you look awesome! I am always red and icky and sweaty. Not sure I WANT a picture of me at the finish! ;)

ETA: Well, after the stupid human trick I did Tuesday of doing ab crunches as part of my cross training, my back is a bit recovered today. I did the MFMWTH 30 minute walk and then form/stride drills. At one point I was "walking" at 14:04, though I definitely could not sustain that.

So, I was thinking :earseek: -- Did you ever have one of those walks/jogs/runs where everything comes together perfectly? Your shoes are perfectly laced so that your foot doesn't slide and your toes aren't crunched and the top of your foot doesn't tingle; your socks are perfectly positioned so the seam doesn't rub your little toe; your undergarments are properly fitted so that you are comfy and secure as you move quickly :cool1: ; there are no swarms of gnats that want to explore that warm-and-wet opening you need to breathe through. . . . You know what I mean -- a non-stonker?! Well . . . . this morning was NOT one of those for me! :rotfl2: ICK! I am thinking "protein intake" during a wog is NOT quite what I wanted this morning. :rotfl:

WISHing all of you great walks/runs today!

[wtpclc]

. . . You know what I mean -- a non-stonker?! Well . . . . this morning was NOT one of those for me! :rotfl2: ICK! I am thinking "protein intake" during a wog is NOT quite what I wanted this morning. :rotfl: Yes, I know what you mean. No, I haven't had one of those this week. I think this week has had more stonkers than any I have seen before! Hang in there everyone! We flip-flopped our tempo day and our rest day. Yesterday should have been teh last hot humid day of the year. Today is about 20 degrees cooler. After Monday, I need all the help I can get for Tempo.

[plutosmyfav]

Terri-- :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: That's all I can say for your victory ;)

Carrie-- thanks for the "stealth" update on Solo's misadventure. TG no one was killed.

Bree-- I can relate! I have been eating as if I run ultras :confused3 Its got to stop NOW!!!!! I don't want to lug one extra ounce over that finish line :rotfl:

Cam-- I think running is alot like gambling. Because those "perfect" runs do exist and present themselves unpredictably ever so often we just keep coming back for more, constantly hoping for one of those "jackpots" :p Sorry you didn't have one, but you will!


As for shirt color. The other thing to consider about the color is if we go with yellow, lime green ink probably wouldn't work well. If we went with white, we could make our logo, and lettering in lime green? I'm still brainstorming :)

I'm late on the whole rest discussion but my strategy is to do upperbody weights and rowing on Fridays (my LR is on Saturdays). I do lowerbody weights on Tuesdays and sometimes a second time on Thursdays. It definitely affects my Wednesday runs. I usually only have one true rest day per week, but Fridays is a "lower body" rest day, so my legs get two rest days per week.

[gatorphipps]

You guys are making me a little nervous about the back to back long runs.
How many should you do before the race? I'm planning a slow wog for the Goofy. I am building my distance, but don't think I'll get up to doing more than a 16-17 long wog before the marathon. (I realize that is not ideal, but I'm gonna run out of time. ) That's why I plan to take it slow.
Any suggestions?
Terri

Terri - If you go to tricharlotte.com (http://www.tricharlotte.com), and click on marathon training, that is what Bree, DH and I are doing for the Goofy training. We do the shorter LRs @ a slower pace then start SLOW for the long LRs. If you want more info, you can click on the email on this web page and ask Ron. He knows everything! :love: If you can, try to get to at least 18 miles on your WOGs. It may make the last part of the marathon less hard. 20 would be better, but I understand the time thing.

Sunny - YOU LOOK HOT! (Not as in temp, but as in GREAT!) :cheer2: If I ever hear you say otherwise, I am going to give you a toung lashing over the computer. :teeth: I always look so bad in these pictures! You look so good that you need to just kick anyone that ever questions you running a marathon! :rotfl2:

The shirt info - My opinion is to go with something bright. I had on white last year and Bree had on purple. It was hard for scream teamers to locate us b/c the ones who are not TNT and wearing purple are wearing white. Yellow is not my 1st choice, but I bet we would stand out!

Did my short LR today on the TM, 7 miles at a slow pace! It felt good. Even with the warm up, I finished in 70 min (TM was on a 6 - 6.5). This was my goal. Bree and I will do 14 tomorrow. It is raining now so send your :wizard: :wizard: :wizard: to us so we don't have to do 14 in the rain. B/c we will if we have to! :rolleyes:
Took DDs swiming yesterday, but did not do much b/c of the LRs. Trying to be good! :rolleyes1 The kid's marathon kicks off Saturday and DDs are so excited! :Pinkbounc :Pinkbounc I am glad they share the :love: of running!

Later,
Christa

[zoegirl]

Heeeeyyyyy looks like I'm posting right after the Evil Queen today :teeth:

Ok, so I get up this morning @ 4:45am, stumble to the kitchen (do you hear Dolly Parton singing?) to make coffee, and hear this noise out side. What? Could it be raining? NOOOO surely not. I flip the back porch light on and yes folks it is in fact raining, and not a slight drizzle, it's a heavy downpour. So I start contemplating meeting Christa at the gym to run 7 on the TM then thought well I'd better call DFIL (who's graciously offered to meet me at this un-godly hour to run) to tell him it's raining. His answer? "Well looks like we're gonna get wet." WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! So I stomp into the bedroom (my DH appreciated that, but I am every bit the drama queen) grab a hat and head out the door. Who's idea was it to do this stupid goofy race anyway? Oh yeah :rolleyes: it was me. DFIL said I didn't look very "disney" when I showed up. Yeah well.........whatever. That's the only come back I can come up with at 5:45am. It rained the ENTIRE time we were out there, I mean it didn't let up once. Glad I thought ahead to wear an old pair of shoes. Got to save the newer ones for getting wet tomorrow. :umbrella:

So I ran 7 in 1:10 exactly. Not too shabby for being waterlogged. AND it's done, so now onto 14 tomorrow.

Bree--When are you going to be in WDW? Stephen and I will be there Oct. 22-30 (in just 17 days!!!! :hourglass ), maybe we can meet up if you're there then. Krista princess:

Krista - we will be in WDW Oct. 30 - Nov. 4. Just 24 days!! :hourglass Are you leaving on the 30th? We anticipate getting there early afternoon. MGM has evening EMH that day and I'd like to go.

Cam - sorry about your stonker day. Everyone must have at least one before race day, so now yours is done, and you can have great runs from now on out :)

Talk to ya'll soon :wave2:
~bree

[Minnie]

Hi everyone!

Last night was rest night (not that I really needed one with all the resting I've been doing lately :rolleyes: ) but after reading all the posts about resting I sure didn't want to set myself up to get hurt again.

Bree - It was raining so hard here last night that I was very thankful that it was a rest day :rotfl: . I used to look at the people running in the rain and laugh now I got a feeling I'll be one of them :teeth:

Sunny - Fabulous picture!

The temp has dropped 35 degrees from yesterday with a high today of only 58 degrees :cold: so no coolmax for me tonight :rotfl2: It will likely be yoga pants because I don't have any outdoor cool running wear as I used to be a TM or couch potato girl. This new challenged has changed my outlook in more ways than one.

I can't imagine wearing those tight running pants outside my own home so what do you all wear in the fall when it is to warm for sweats and too cool for shorts? I liked the long underwear idea for winter running but what about this season?

Great training day everyone!

[keenercam]

Bree -- what a funny story! Here I thought you were going to be unhappy about having to use the TM beyond the boredom point -- so nice of your DFIL to be sure you weren't bored! "UnDisney!" I love that!!!! :rotfl: I am so glad I got my stonker out of the way this early on in my 14 week training program! Now if someone would just tell my body, my shoelaces, my socks, my too-big undergarments, and the gnats that I have met my quota, thank you very much!

Minnie -- I am wearing lined wind pants. They were very comfy in the chilly morning air, but I was sweating by the time I was done. I may go for yoga pants and an oversized long sleeve tee shirt for the warmer cool mornings for a while. Once you get moving, you may find that you'll wish you weren't dressed too warmly.

[wtpclc]

I can't imagine wearing those tight running pants outside my own home so what do you all wear in the fall when it is to warm for sweats and too cool for shorts? I liked the long underwear idea for winter running but what about this season?

Great training day everyone!
I usually throw a pair of shorts over my running tights. Lookslike I'll be diong wind suits pretty soon 'roun here though!

[plutosmyfav]

Here's another logo idea. This one is "set" on yellow as it would be on the shirt.

I didn't know if we are allowed to use the mickey head (Disney's pretty touchy about their stuff). Are we?

http://sunnyshopper.com/clipart/wishLOGO4.jpg

[wtpclc]

I would think as long as we are not selling the logo for a profit that we'd be ok, but I'm no attorney.

[plutosmyfav]

Here's a varation with blue bold print instead.

http://sunnyshopper.com/clipart/wishLOGO5.jpg

If we want to go with this style I can tweak the mickey head, type, etc.

Does anyone else want to offer a logo? I don't assume I have the corner on the market ;) !!!

[plutosmyfav]

Hey guess what????

I just discovered I placed in the Applefest Top 10 Fillies!!!! I was number 8 :cool1: :cool1: :cool1:

[Minnie]

:cheer2: :cheer2: Sunny :cheer2: :cheer2:

As for the Mickey head I love the design but I am worried about having it screened on the shirts. I wanted to have something with Mickey on it done by a local shop and they refused because it is copywrited. We might want to have a backup logo in place in case this occurs.

Great work!

[MelRhoads]

Sunny - FAB! pictures!!!!! I especially love the one where you are surronded by men!!! Congrats on your top 10 finish! That is excellent! I love the shirt ideas.

Did my long run today. I am doing as many as I can on thursday as the boy is in preschool from 8-12 and i am trying not to interfere with my family's schedule too much! My marathon mean girl, EC, runs all of the long runs with me. That should tell you something about her... she is going to train for goofy with me but is not going to do it!!! That is insane. This weekend is the 100 mile bike ride. (I don't think I'm going to die, but I do anticipate some definite misery!!!!!)

Today's run was 13 miles at 9:58 pace. We did walk a couple of times and had 1 pee in the field stop. We also stopped at about 4 traffic lights! I was really happy with that pace as it is a tiny bit better than the 1/2mar that I ran in Feb! I think I have decided that I am going to add walking into all of my long runs as it seems to break up the muscle group useage. I am not sure if I want to walk 1minute out of 15 or just walk water stops. I'm leaning toward water stops but am not sure. Anyone have any opinions regard that?

Keenercam - sorry about your bad experiences today! I am just not in the grove yet either. Every time I get out there, I'm thinking "now why am I doing this???"

[keenercam]

Melissa -- If I were training for Goofy, I'd be wondering a whole lot more than "now why am I doing this?" !!!!! What an amazing quest!

Sunny -- CONGRATULATIONS!!!! Awesome news!!! :cheer2:

I LOVE the designs but I have heard of Disney taking issue with people using their licensed logos. I really like the ones you did with the runners/walkers. Those were so classy and snazzy, too. I am really impressed with your creativity! Thank you for taking the time to create them!

[littlegreydonkey]

Morning all - just wanted to congratulate sunny on her placing, that's great. I had a similar experience to Bree (or was it Krista) on Wednesday night, went to go do my hour and it was sheet rain out there so was very naughty - decided to do my 3 miles instead on the treadmill, then went down to running club for the beer afterwards! Did my hour last night in sunshine instead. Mind you, they say we're going to have a wetter than average spring here (and it rains most days this time of year anyway) so I don't think I'm going to escape every soaking this year. Wish me luck this weekend, I'm going to attempt to get into the Guinesss Book of Records. My boyfriend has an MX5 car, and this weekend is the New Zealand attempt to get the most MX5s in a row. I told you it was a small country with nothing to do!!! Helen

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Nutrional Information---HERE IT IS.

I have also added it permanently to the FAQ, so if you lose it--just go up to that post to read about it.

I am NOT a nutritionist--so for more specific guidelines for your particular needs, consulting your doctor or a sports nutritionist would be best.






NUTRITION AND HYDRATION INFORMATION:
I am not a nutritionist. This information is from handouts from Brevard County Team in Training Nutrition Clinic on October 4, 2005—power point presentation from local nutritionist and article from the Gatorade Sports Science Institute (www.gssiweb.com) and includes advices from my coaches. For more specific needs, consult a sports nutritionist (familiar with athletic nutritional needs) or your doctor.


Estimated Calories necessary:

Athlete (What most of us are by now):
Body Weight (In pounds) x 20

Regular Exercise (300/calories per day)
Body Weight x 15

Sedentary (may or may not be your rest days—up to you! Remember—you are fueling all week for those long days)
Body Weight x 13

Ultra-Endurance Athlete (the BIG Dawgs!)
Body Weight x 30


You daily caloric intake is very important as on your long runs—it will soon become impossible to have a solid positive intake versus expense of calories. (On our 20 mile day, we burned 2000 calories last year….on the day of the marathon, I estimated that I burned about 3000+ calories—it will be impossible and not advise to have a regular net calorie intake that day. I. E. If you consume regularly 2000 calories…you would have to consume roughly 4000-5000 calories on those long days to compensate and maintain a net regular intake. That is neither necessary—or really possible…it is what you do during the week that will help offset that.)

How your calories should be distributed:
HIGH CARB—60-70% of your calories should be carbs.
That is 5 to 7 grams of carb per KG of body weight (divide weight in pounds by 2.2 to get your KG).

For a more specific guideline:
Exercise less than 1 hour---consume 6g of carb per kg of weight that day.
Intense exercise of 1-4 hours—consume 9-10g of carb per kg of weight that day.
Intense exercise in excess of 4 hours—consume 11-12 g of carb per kg of weight that day.

PROTEIN
You should consume 1.5 grams of protein for KG of body weight each day.

CARBOHYDRATES AND ENDURANCE:Carbohydrate is the body’s “energy powerhouse” that fules muscles for training and competitions and is essential to building glycogen stores and providing long-haul energy that is important in endurance events.
CONSUMPTION (aka CARB “LOADING”):
Carbohydrate intake for long days and day of event (practice for the long runs and try nothing new on race day):

Overnight fasting (aka—you are sleeping and not eating) depletes your glycogen stores by 80%.

Liver glycogen is a major source of Blood glucose and can impair major performance in events >60 minutes or which realy heavily on glucose.


CARB LOADING:
Maintain a high carb diet as described above throughout training. Minimum of 3-days rest (no workouts—not being lazy) before event while still maintaining a high carb diet.
For each gram of carbohydrate stored—additional water is stored..the increased weight and a feelling of stiffness…subsides with exercise. This is beneficial for only events in excess of 90 minutes.

As far as Carb “Loading”—maintaining proper nutrition throughout training is more important than stuffing yourself with pasta the night before your event. Whatever you have been doing the days and evenings before long days throughout training should be mimicked and nothing new attempted. If you didn't eat 10 bowls of pasta and 10 cookies the night before your 20 miler...don't do it before the marathon. :teeth:

MEAL BEFORE EVENT (AKA Breakfast): Aim for 1-4.5 grams of Carbo per KG of weight 1-4 hours before respectively (basically—eat breakfast or something before your event—suggested time frame is a good 2-3 hours before). If on long runs, you do not get up this early—set the alarm, wake up and eat and go back to sleep until it is time to wake up for your workout. When you start training is a good time to start practicing this. By the time your workouts exceed 6-8 miles, it is very important to be practicing this. Race day morning is not the time to try eating breakfast for the first time.

1 HOUR BEFORE EVENT: Have 1 gram CARB per KG of weight. Experiment with what works (I’ve gone as simple as having a GU…drinking a sports drink works as well). If Hypoglycemic, try low glycemic index foods or delay until 5 minutes before event.

Keep in mind that for the meal and for the pre-event your carbs can be in a combination forms to include GEL, Sports Drink, and food in the form of grains and fruit. IF you are of the population that just cannot eat anything at all—try a slim fast or carnation breakfast drink or any LIQUID form of nourishment to get in your carbs.

DURING THE EVENT/ACTIVITY in excess of 1 hour:
Carbs provide glucose to muscles and prolongs time to fatigue. AS muscles run out of glucose, they rely on liver glycogen which depletes and causes a drop in blood glucose. May feel like hypoclycemia, but usually feels like fatigue with a need to slow down. Carbohydrate feedings help maintain blood glucose as opposed to actually spareing muscle glycogen.

Consume 30-60 grams carbo per hour—liquid or solid.
5-10 oz sports drink every 15-20 minutes provides this amount of carbo.
Eat or drink BEFORE feeling tired.
Avoid fructose (I think this means fruit juices and such—the oranges and bananas offered during the event are actually good for you and necessary).

CARB REPLACEMENT DAY OF THE EVENT, after crossing the finish line:
You need to replenish glycogen stores.

It is best to eat within 2 hours of the event when there is greater blood flow to muscles and greater sensitivity to insulin.

If you wait more than 2 hours there is a 66% decrease in repletion.

Consume 1.5grams carb per KG of body weight in first half hour. And repeat every 2 hours thereafter. Can be simple or complex carbs, liquid or solid.

HYDRATION
For non-exercising adult, 8 cups/day is necessary. As athletes, we need more.

Weigh before and after each workout—for each pound lost, replace with 20 ounces of water (in addition to the 8 cups). Urine should be pale in color.

Hydrate during the week before the event---do not forget to drink water.

1-2 hours before event, drink 16-32 ounces (2-4 cups).
15-30 minutes before: drink 8-16 ounces.
If possible drink fluids throughout the night before.

At the event—my coach personally recommends….go to the bathroom 3-4 times. Once you finish, go out and get back in line and repeat until you have gone about 4 times. This will reduce the need for last minute potty stops before the event (but this is not guaranteed) as your body is dealing with all that water.

During the event—drink 6-8 ounces every 15-20 minutes.

Caffeine free, nonalcoholic is best—though if you have had your coffee every morning all season—you will need it on race day.

DEHYDRATION
Mild: General fatigue, loss of appetite, flushed skin, light headed, dark and scant urine, heat intolerance.

Advanced: Numb skin, delirium, sunken eyes, shriveled skin, clumsiness

Cannot rely on thirst as a gauge.

Sports drinks increase thirst.

HYPONATREMIA:
“Drink to replace sweat; don’t overrink. If you run more slowly and stop for MORE fluid breaks, you run the risk of overhydrating. This occurs when an athlete takes in too much fluid and sodium levels in blood drop too low.

Very important to supplement your fluid intake with sports drink if possible—mixing it with water if necessary.”

Also—our coaches have us consume one salt packet (like what you would get at McD’s) towards the end—about 2/3 of the way through.

Very important to replace sodium lost during workout (OP commentary: that’s gritty stuff on your face is salt from your body) Especially if you are a heavy cramper. Salting foods regularly and eating salty (but healthy) snacks will help. IN GENERAL…endurance athletes should not follow a low-sodium diet.

Sweat rate: How much weight you lose in fluid ounces + how much you consume during exercise is how much you SHOULD dirnk to replace sweat fluid losses.”

[wtpclc]

Wow Lisa! You had busy fingers. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!

Sunny! :banana: :banana: :banana: Way to go!

Bree - I would be teh definition of UnDisney under those circumstances! Glad you made it through so well!

[keenercam]

Lisa -- That is absolutely fascinating. Thank you for all your time and effort in getting this information to us! :grouphug:

[MelRhoads]

Bree - I think you have given me the quote to describe my training moods. At least I'll have something to make me smile when I don't feel very "disney" here either!!! :rotfl2:

We started out our 13 miles in the rain today too. It was not pouring, and it stopped shortly after we began. It was cold and windy though. I was just happy I wasn't riding my road bike today (never thought I would say that!!!!)

[plutosmyfav]

I had a feeling the mickey head was out :(

Wow Lisa, thanks! I think we need to take a class to get to the finish line. That's alot of information. I guess its time to get out the calculator and start crunching numbers! I like the idea of setting the alarm to eat and going back to bed, somehow it seems almost "Pooh like" :rotfl:

OK, if we can't have a mickey head, is the majority settled on the runners logo or would you like a couple more to choose from? (I was a graphic designer in my former life, its fun to play again).

Sunny

[wtpclc]

Sunny - The runners logos were awesome. DOn't let em stop you if you're on a creative roll, though. ;)

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I like the idea of setting the alarm to eat and going back to bed, somehow it seems almost "Pooh like" :rotfl:



Only Pooh is a true athlete. He requires no alarm. :rotfl2: The honey just speaks to him.



If anyone needs help crunching numbers--let me know...I'll post my equation for you to use as a model.

[TEK224]

Congrats on your race Sunny! Way to go! :cheer2: :cheer2:

Christa: Thanks for the info. I'll check out the Charlotte site.

Lisa: That was a lot of typing. Thanks for taking the time to share it with us.

Terri

[Tiger Lily 03]

Wheee! We are a busy group.

Sunny, thank you sooo much for your logo work. I will be good for whatever is created. We will all be wearing it, so it will be great whatever works! Congratulations on your placing.

Lisa, thank you for your work on the nutrition. It is very helpful to me.

Who asked the question about what to wear in the cooler time...wear your tights, or as Liz so correctly named them "sausage pants." Who cares about stylin' when comfort is the main need. I wear shorts (compression/tights style) with long sleeved shirts until I cannot wear them and then go to leggings again the tights style. I use the waistpack to "cover up" the added body baggage I sport about, and if I can get a t-shirt that is a bit longer I would use it. You could always wear some sort of shorts over top, but I definitely need those tights to avoid the chaffing.

Sorry about the stonker that was had today. Hey at least you were out there trying.

Sorry about running in the rain today. Hey at least you were out there trying.

Sorry about being forced inside to TM....Hey eyyyyewww I hate the TM.

Had a beautiful weather day today. I had a barium breakfast for a medical test procedure today...barium swallow test. Afterwards I went for a nice trail trek and managed 5 miles in 1 hr 15 min. It was hot and I did struggle. Didn't have a real breakfast either, so I will take it. Stayed home from work and nursed a nasty headache for most of the rest of my day. I am finally feeling better.

[TXBelle]

If we want lime green shirts, I recommend that we contact http://alertshirt.com and find out how much it would be to print the logo on their lime green coolmax t-shirts. The t-shirts themselves are just $7.99. They will personalize the shirts with our logo. I just don't know how much that will be. I will call them today and post the information.

Sunny- You look great in the Applefest photos! I especially love the photo where you are ahead of all the men. Way to finish 8th in your group! :banana:

I am back on my training schedule. I did 50 minutes r/w on Monday. I did 40 minutes of xt on Tuesday. Rest day on Wednesday, and 50 minutes r/w yesterday. I am going to try to get my 30 min. of xt in tonight. Tomorrow is 6 miles. The cold front finally came through, and I cannot wait to run in 65 degree temps! What a difference from the 85 to 90 degree temps I have been running in. I wish I could give advice on cold weather gear to Minnie, but I am afraid I don't ever get to experience it. ;)

To everyone who feels like they are in a little slump, this is normal. We have been training for this race for a long time. Last year, I went through the exact same thing in August and September. I went through a similar phase this August and September. Last October, I was able to get back in training mode, and I am back on track now. Just keep getting those miles in. As the date gets closer, you will get excited about training again, and you will be glad that you kept up the pace even when you did not feel like it.

[aladdinsgirl]

ARRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! I am so frustrated with these boards!!! I just wrote a huge, long post and went to submit it and it told me I wasn't logged in. If I wasn't logged in, then how in the world did I get to the "post a reply" screen? So then I lost my huge post--not happy!! :badpc: :badpc:

So anyway to summarize, I did 35 minutes last night, it wasn't that great of a run (well r3/w2). The first 11 minutes were rough as my ankle brace was bothering my foot--I can't wait until I get used to wearing that thing. I was in front of my house, so I sat on the driveway to fix my brace. I finally got it in a comfortable spot and my next 13 minutes were awesome, I found a nice rhythm and everything was going pretty good. Then my stomach growled (and we all know that once you feel hungry, it's too late) and my energy level took a huge nose dive. I really struggled with my last 8 minutes because of my stomach, my ankle, and the heat (so glad that we have a cold front coming through!!). I finished with 2.97 miles, I wasn't thrilled about my pace, but at least it was over with!! I have a whopping 3 miles for my lr tomorrow and since it's only supposed to be in the 50's, I can sleep in a little bit--I don't have to worry about getting up early to do a lr in before it gets too hot.

Bree--It looks like we're going to have to wait until January to meet. I think our plane leaves at 5:00, so we need to leave for the airport at 2:30. Have a great vacation though!! Your story made me laugh! I'm quite the diva (or drama queen as Stephen likes to call me), so I could totally relate!! :teeth:

Lisa--Thank you so much for all the nutrition information, I really needed to see that!! I eat pretty healthy, but my big problem is with pop. I drink at least 4 cans of Diet Coke a day!! I know, I know--I'm SO bad!! I need to start pumping the water.

Sunny--Awesome work on the WISH shirts! You are quite the artist! I am so jealous of anyone who has artistic talent, as I have none!! By the way, you look great running the half. Don't ever let anyone tell you that you aren't a "real" runner, as you can run circles around them!!

Crossing my fingers that my post goes through!! :wizard: Happy training everyone and good luck on your lr's!!

Krista princess:

[Minnie]

Good morning everyone,

Does everyone remember when Craig said words to the effect of not going out to fast or you'll pay for it in the end? Well I learned that lesson last night. I was so suprised to see a fellow runner on the road last night that I fell ito step with him. Thankfully he was on his way home or I would have litteraly had to been scouped up off the road. All I can say is on my way back home I was utterly miserable. That'll teach me to stay at my own pace! I think it was good for me though to see how important it is to stay at my own slow wogging pace and not get caught up in the "race" come January.

Today is supposed to be a ct day so I'm thinking about trying out a pilates dvd. My sciatica is hurting again this am so maybe the stretching will help that. Tomorrow is lr day but it is only 3 miles this week. Cooler weather also means I can sleep in before heading out on the road :teeth:

BTW - Thanks for the cool weather running advise. I have to get something for my arms because last night I froze :cold:

Hope everyone has great LR this weekend!

[plutosmyfav]

Minnie-- Great observation! I think if at all possible, everyone should try out at least one 5K before race day (if you've never raced) to feel the excitement and temptation of "going with the flow" and forgetting your own internal pace. I had a miserable 10K because I started out too fast! Its tricky!

[TXBelle]

Here is the information from Alertshirts:

The shirts (sleeveless, tanks, short sleeves) are $7.99. A one color logo for at least 24 shirts is an $2.50 front or back. There is also a $30 one time screen charge. We can mix items so everyone can get the style of shirt they would like.

I have e-mailed back to find out about the cost for a 2 or 3 color logo. I will post the information when I receive it.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Minnie-- Great observation! I think if at all possible, everyone should try out at least one 5K before race day (if you've never raced) to feel the excitement and temptation of "going with the flow" and forgetting your own internal pace. I had a miserable 10K because I started out too fast! Its tricky!

This is where I enjoy my friend Garmin--I can immediately see if I am running too fast. Often with the excitement---it sometimes doesn't feel fast even though it is.

[gatorphipps]

Hey all! You must have sent some great :wizard: :wizard: :wizard: because it only drizzled a little while we ran today. As you know, we did double LRs (7 yesterday and 14 today) so we took it kind of slow. Our average was like 10.17 min mile. Our route is very hilly so I am OK with this time. By the end, I was STARVING, so Bree and I went and ate a ton of sushi. :love: I love to eat! I am glad to get this out of the way, but I know 8 & 16 is the next double. :scared1: :faint: :scared:
Oh well, I have 2 weeks until that.

TxBelle - Love the lime green shirt idea!

Minnie - I have gone out too fast b/4. I agree with, Sunny, that it is good to get a race under your belt b/4 to see how to pace yourself. It is very tricky.

Later,
Christa

[plutosmyfav]

This is where I enjoy my friend Garmin--I can immediately see if I am running too fast. Often with the excitement---it sometimes doesn't feel fast even though it is.

Exactly!!!! I wonder how people ran at all before Garmin :rotfl2: I mean, temp runs, pace runs, pacing during a race, geesh, those were the dark ages!!!!


Heather-- great news on the shirts. I think we could have a very nice shirt with just one color logo if the price for more colors is prohibitive. I think getting lime green is well worth switching vendors. What is the processing time (i.e., by when should we be all decided and ready to order?)

OK, I lied about resting my legs before a LR. I did an easy 5.5 mile run today at lunchtime. I'll do upper body weights after work. As I was running and realized I was negating my post about resting the legs I remembered that i have done this quite a few times. I have also done my Fridy runs late afternoon (4-5PM) with my LR 5:30 AM the next morning. I'm not recommending it, but the only negative I have experienced is slower pace.

But I will try to stick to the "rest the legs" the day before from now on!

[TXBelle]

Here's the price information on the two color logo: $7.99 for the shirt, plus $4.00 for the logo. In addition, there is a one-time screen charge of $70.00 that we would all share. I forgot to ask about the processing time. :rolleyes:

[lacool]

I didn't know if we are allowed to use the mickey head (Disney's pretty touchy about their stuff). Are we?

I had to pull out my DisBoard shirt. It has the three circle, traditional hidden-mickey shape on it, but inside a box, so that the edges are cut-off. I don't know if that was on purpose, to disguise the fact that it is a Mickey.

It has been raining all day, and today was supposed to be my long run, but I couldn't face 75 minutes in a downpour, or worse, 75 minutes on the TM. I hope tomorrow dawns sunny.

[solotraveler]

I can neither confirm nor deny the story that Carrie posted is why my trip to Ottawa was cancelled. :)

I can't seem to get motivated lately for some reason. :rolleyes: Sometimes when I have slow weeks I take the opprtunity to do absolutely nothing (sigh). My long run WILL get done, though-- either today or tomorrow. I can't tell whether or not it's going to rain here or not right now so I am kind of on a holding pattern.

Sounds like everyone else is doing wonderfully, though. Keep up the good work!!

I'll check back in to report after my run!
Solotraveler :earsboy:

[gatorphipps]

Here's the price information on the two color logo: $7.99 for the shirt, plus $4.00 for the logo. In addition, there is a one-time screen charge of $70.00 that we would all share. I forgot to ask about the processing time. :rolleyes:
I think that is well worth the $$. Thanks for checking into this. :sunny:

Solo - Good luck on that LR. I understand the feeling. I DID NOT want to run today either. But once I got into it, I was glad I tried.

Christa

[zoegirl]

WHEW!!! Just up from my nap and post LR shower. I got home and crashed instead of heading straight to shower.

We did 14 this morning after running 7 yesterday and this is how I feel ----> :faint: . We were blessed with less rain but it was still very yucky and huimd out, it actaully felt better when it drizzled. It was so humid that we sweat through our clothes before it ever started raining. And it wasn't that cool athlete sweat, it was the gross you out slimey sweat, You know what I'm talking about, the kind that looks like consdensation on your skin. Christa gave me some sort of "Bill Nye" answer as to why this happens but that was so long ago I forgot what she said. Running all that way just sucked the memory right out of my head. :rolleyes:
We finished in good time, but as we were running up the last BFH (that's Big Freakin Hill) we both decided that we were hungry. Christa looks at me and (ok get your best cookie monster impersonation in your mind) says SUSHI!!!!!
Whoa!!! Ok big curly headed scary girl is hungry, and sushi sounds like a good thing so...hey I'll drive. So we change into dry clothes and head to the local sushi bar up the road. Yes we were stinky but who cares, we don't need to sit near anyone anyway :snooty:

Ok let me pause for a moment to "get my rant on"....Christa and I are both members of the Y, it's by far the nicest gym in town with all sorts of amenities, but why oh why for goodness sake does it seem that every time I go into the locker room there is some woman walking around completely naked? I mean no towel, just shower shoes. ( that's an image for ya huh?) I do not begrudge anyone the right to excersise, but for crying out loud when there are 200 FREE CLEAN towels lying about the locker room why wouldn't someone put one around themselves when they are walking from the shower to their locker? I get shell shocked every time I go to change clothes, b/c some women is walking through (I'm talkin the whole length) the room naked. I get so embarrased, because all I can think is naked stranger, naked stranger, naked stranger!!! :scared1: :scared1: Seriously here, I am not trying to be mean or hurtful, I just don't want to see a bunch of naked strangers every time I go to the Y........maybe I should go and introduce myself and then they won't be strangers. :rotfl: Am I just WAYYYYY too modest??

Anyway, on with my post...
Heather - I like the lime green shirt idea and the price doesn't sound too bad at all. If we get something printed on the front and back we need to be sure that it's high enough on the front that our bib numbers won't cover it. Maybe the W.I.S.H. logo would be good on the front and our little "phrase" on the back.

Krista - Oh that stinks that we're going to just miss each other this month. You be sure to tell Mickey when you get there that I am not far behind you and I'll come to see him as soon as I can... :earboy2:

I hope you all have a great LR this week if you haven't done yours yet.

Hey folks if you haven't noticed....we are about to come upon the 90 day mark of MARATHON WEEKEND!!!!! :hourglass I for one am very excited.

later
~bree~

[Tiger Lily 03]

...but why oh why for goodness sake does it seem that every time I go into the locker room there is some woman walking around completely naked? I mean no towel, just shower shoes. (that's an image for ya huh?) I do not begrudge anyone the right to excersise, but for crying out loud when there are 200 FREE CLEAN towels lying about the locker room why wouldn't someone put one around themselves when they are walking from the shower to their locker? I get shell shocked every time I go to change clothes, b/c some women is walking through (I'm talkin the whole length) the room naked. I get so embarrased, because all I can think is naked stranger, naked stranger, naked stranger!!! :scared1: :scared1: Seriously here, I am not trying to be mean or hurtful, I just don't want to see a bunch of naked strangers every time I go to the Y........maybe I should go and introduce myself and then they won't be strangers. :rotfl: Am I just WAYYYYY too modest??...~bree~ :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: DS#2 was singing this same tune when he went this year to our gym. I've not seen it in the women's area while I am there, but I guess it occurs everywhere.
:rotfl2: :rotfl2: Sorry, I can't help the laughter.

Christa, glad you only had drizzle.

Krista, glad to hear you are making progress. Hope that bracing issue doesn't come up often.

lacool, sorry about that rain thing. I was just talking with my coworker about TM or going out in the rain as it is raining here today too. I told her if I were going, I would be out in the rain today not TM. Our rain was not downpour though. So anyway, she looked at me as if I left the planet. I hope you get out there on your lr this weekend w/o rain.

Minnie, you are so lucky to realize the problem this early. Good going!

TXBelle thanks for checking.

I am thinking that my "cheering" team might order a shirt. I am sure even if they are not participating IN the event, that since they are participating with me they might wear the shirt. Anyone else think their family might wear the shirt?

[TEK224]

bree -- I know what you mean. At the Y I go to, it's the same way. Wrap a towel around ya, I say, - that's what they're there for :rolleyes:


As for my training, none today or yesterday. Yesterday was a rest day. Today, it's been raining almost all day and I got stuck at work. Since I've had this nagging groin/quad strain, I thought I'd give it an extra day to rest. I'm planning on a 5-miler tomorrow.

Terri

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Lisa's tip of the day----COUNT YOUR STEPS!!! I did not believe my coach last year--didn't believe him this year...UNTIL this morning.

Walkers should be at 70 steps per minute (per foot) and runners at 90 steps per minute (per foot). You accomplish this by taking SHORTER steps....not more longer ones. It will feel foolish--I felt like a looney tune on steroids trying to shuffle along....though I have been affirmed that I looked just fabulous (but of course!). I got to 90....I went from a 13:42 pace 2 weeks ago to a 12:55 pace today and that is with 3:1 intervals. Now some of that is the fact we didn't run the bridge--but with the bridge I was at 4:1, so that is an impressive improvement.

Count your steps--and work on getting close to the 70 or 90 per your activity. If counting for a minute is hard, just count for 30 seconds (35 steps for walkers and 45 steps for runners).

Now here is why this is important:

With every step (at least for running)--you impact with 3x your body weight with each step. The longer the stride (and the less steps you take)--the more in the air you are between steps--and the more weight/stress you are place on your legs (ahem--KNEES!). Shortening the steps does a few things: It increases the turnover rate, gives you less time in the air, and it lessens the impact and reduces the risk of injury and strain to your knees and other parts of your leg.

And here's the best part--at least for me anyway....I was not running fast--but I felt like I was zipping along (though as a zippy turtle) and it did not feel fatiguing to me.

If you are several steps away from 90 (or 70)...make a goal in the workout to shorten the strides to increase the amount of steps you take. It may take one or two workouts--it may take several.....but you will eventually get to 90. As training progresses and as your walking or running regime continues on well past Disney....you will notice as you get stronger, that your strides will naturally get longer...(a clue is that your step counts start going above your goal....time to lengthen the stride a little bit). Your body will then be telling you it is ready to take bigger steps.

Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase BABY steps.

If you are a mortal--and want to get FASTER...the key is to step shorter--and not reaching as far as you can with your foot.

Happy Training!!!

[TXBelle]

Thanks for the advice Lisa. For some reason, I thought I was supposed to be taking longer strides. Good to know that my short steps really are best. I did my long run this morning in 60 degree cloudy weather. HEAVEN! I did 6 miles in 1:25, and it felt good. My legs ache a little now, but going 6 miles was almost effortless. Who knew that all of this training would actually pay off? :rotfl:

I started WW at work yesterday. I am counting points and planning my grocery list for the week. I finally feel like I am getting some control over my life.

Were your ears burning? I was talking about everyone today as if we were old friends. I was telling some women at a birthday party about training for the marathon. One of the ladies said that she gets so winded when she runs. I told her that was common and explained how some women in my training group had trouble with even running a short distance but have slowly built up to longer runs mixed with walking. I told her to start slowly and the most important thing was just to start. It was fun to talk about my training group. I didn't mention that I only know you via the internet. Hey, what does that matter? We train together and support each other. Doesn't that make us a training group? Here's to all of my friends who have had the courage to start! :cheer2:

[aladdinsgirl]

Wow! What a difference 30 degrees makes!! My lr today was 3 miles, I finished in 33:35--my pace was 11:11!!!! :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: I was thrilled! Frozen, but thrilled! :Pinkbounc I love seeing how everything is coming together. I had a dream the other night about the half marathon, I dreamt that I was running through Cinderella Castle--it was a very good dream!! :cloud9:

Heather--Thanks for all of your hard work with the shirts (and Carrie and Sunny). I won't run in the shirt because I don't want to run in something new and I already have my outfit planned out, but I will definitely wear one on Sunday to support all of the full marathoners.

Lisa--Thanks for more running info. What would we do without you?? I am a baby stepper. When I first started taking such small steps, it felt really uncomfortable, like I was crawling, but now that I'm used to it, I find that I can run faster and for longer periods of time.

Bree and Christa--Sushi, huh? Interesting!! :fish:

I'm going to get off here, Stephen and I are going to see "In Her Shoes", I LOVED the book, I hope the movie is good. Good luck to everyone that still has to their lr.

Oh, Stephen says hi. He ran 10 miles this morning and then played 18 holes of golf. Does that count as cross training?? :teeth:

Krista princess:

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Bree and Christa--Sushi, huh? Interesting!! :fish:



My coaches did the Maui Marathon a few weeks ago---Sushi at the START.

[TiffJ]

Heather we are definately a training group :grouphug: :cheer2:
When I tell people what I am doing almost always the first question is "how did you get started in that?" Now only people closest to me know exactly how attatched(a.k.a. obsessed) with WDW I am. And only my best friend knows about the Disboards, so I get some funny looks when I tell them my friends on the Disboards got me interested in it and we are meeting up the night before and none of us have ever met and we are all Disney fanatics. Then I have to explain what the Disboards is. I have learned to shorten my story so as to avoid some people thinking I'm absolutly dillusional.

Had my 30 min walk today. 14:31 pace. Now if I can just maintain that tomorrow for my 5 miles I will be thrilled!!!

[Minnie]

I woke up not feeling well this am and still feel off so I am putting my lr off until tomorrow am. It will be my 1st lr in a while so I want to get it off on the right foot. No matter what I will get it done!

I picked up a Champion dry fit long sleve shirt as my arms froze earlier this week. I just couldn't force myself to buy those running tights so it will be either shorts or yoga pants for now.

Heather - Without this "team" there is no way in the world I would be where I am today. I depend on the fact that I have to report my training here to get my rear on the road even when I don't want to. The help and support I have found here truly is priceless!

Happy training everyone!

[TEK224]

Thanks for the info Lisa. I'll try that on my next wog. I had to laugh a little when I saw you mention counting steps. I do that all the time when I run. Not how many steps in a minute, but how many steps to a certain point.
If I'm doing laps on the track, I'll count how many steps it takes to go one full lap. If I'm on the street I'll pick a point way up ahead and see how many steps to reach that point. It takes my mind off thinking about how far I'm going and i just focus on the count.

When I mentioned that to a friend of mine, she looked at me like I was crazy. (I had said it was 1450 steps from point A to B).
Sometimes if I'm having a tough day, I'll run and count to, say, 500 steps, then I'll walk a few, then run and count again. That works better for me than trying to walk a certain # of minutes and then run. I found I was looking at my watch too much to keep track of the time.

But, whatever works! :)

Terri

[keenercam]

Hi, eveyone! It was torrential rain for us here and a band competition that got moved indoors and a very early morning cross country meet that got cancelled at the event in the pouring rain, so no walking until tonight, and then it was on the TM, which I am coming to despise, though I imagine I will be grateful for that option as the weather worsens.

Glad to have the 2 mile LW done for the week. Tomorrow is Howard's 15K and I am looking forward to cheering him on. I think this puts him way ahead of schedule for the 1/2, but he keeps pushing himself because he hopes to do a full in May.

Not much more to report. Cross training last night was recumbent bike. I am going to have to come up with some ideas for CT. Do WATP tapes count?

Heather -- We are definitely a training group. I feel very encouraged and accountable because of you guys! And I LOVE that many of us are on the same training plan, so that we can all compare notes.

Lisa -- Thanks for the information on shorter faster steps. I am always so concerned about covering the distance (in the 5Ks that I am doing), that my strategy was obviously "off". I do find myself counting strides on the elliptical when I feel I just can't go another tenth of a mile. It really helps to think only 12 more strides or something like that.

Speaking of which -- can elliptical be CT? The one thing I know I won't be doing is ab crunches. My back is finally recovered -- not taking a chance

[chimera]

Come join us for a new week!

Week of Oct 9 - 2006 Half-Full Marathon Info/Training Thread (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=10192364#post10192364)

[eeyoresmom]

Hi everyone! I am so happy to have found this site.I am a long time Disser and am training for the 2006 full.My training is going well but since no one I know is a long distance runner,I really need some outside support and advice.Right now I have 2 questions that I cant find the answers to in any of my books and would appreciate any help.#1-I am actually a few weeks ahead in my training and am wondering how to space out my long runs so as not to lose ground.According to my training plan I should run my 14 mile lr tomorrow,16m 2 weks later,18m 2 weeks later and the final 20m 2 weeks after that.That puts me around 3 weeks ahead .This is my first marathon and I started early in case I was waylaid by injury,now Im not sure what to do :confused3 #2 It seems like every time I do a challenging tempo workout,I get an injury! My LR pace right now is about 11:00(I live in very hilly NE) and Im wondering how important the tempo runs are if Im satisfied with that pace.I understand that by running faster my LR pace feels easier and I agree with that,but I guess Im just prone to injury with speed! Thank you for any advice you can give me.Just reading the posts here has been incredibly helpful :wave2:

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I would count back from marathon to see where you should be at--and then go with that week on the schedule (which I believe means backing up 3 weeks).

You'll repeat the weeks you just did--and then continue on from there. Join us on the new week if you like.

If you are prone to injury with speed--you may be too fast for your own good and may do well with easing up on your long runs---and still doing speed work per your training program during the week...but kicking the intensity down a notch.

ETA: Count your steps to make sure you are running at 90 steps per minute...if you are less than 90..your strides are too long which could also be making you prone to injury.

[eeyoresmom]

Lisa,thanks for the advice.I'm going to count my steps per minute today and see where I am with that.Good luck with your training everyone :sunny: