Is there a "name" for what's wrong with the mayor??!

[DawnCt1]

Mayor Nagin seems committed to his plan to reopen New Orleans, one zip code at a time despite the warnings and concerns of Thad Allan, the Coast Guard Asst. Admiral who has said that it is "ill advised". There is no potable water, no 911 system, sewage is still spread out in the street, the levees aren't safe, another hurricane is on the way, etc, etc, etc. President Bush has expressed his concern. I heard Mayor Nagin question whether Thad Allan is the "federal mayor of New York" this morning. This guy couldn't handle the beginning, the middle and now he has authority over the end? Maybe it is time for the feds to invade Louisiana and put Nagin in a straight jacket! (hyperbole)

[doubletrouble_vb]

I dunno... I could see letting people back one zip code at a time to assess and clean up...then skiddadle out of town before night fall...but this...

My only guess is it comes down to politics. Many of the people who evacuated and lost their homes and their jobs aren't planning on coming back. If you are a politician what are you to do? Encourage the ones who at least have homes left to come back soon means they might settle in, find new sources of income (maybe) and you get to be the mayor of a good sized city still. If your higher income doctors, lawyers and indian chiefs with standing homes don't come back and you have to raze the lower income neighborhoods what you'll have left is an empty city and no tax revenue.

I can understand these concerns but the hastiness is astounding. I hope the residents who evacuated and have the opportunity to go back have the sense to pack up their most valuable stuff and leave until November.

[Disneycrazymom]

I have been watching this today also. I don't understand? Going to see what can be saved - certainly. But if the Coast Guard tells me to stay away, then I am gonna do what they say! I would be afraid that more people will be hurt by coming back to soon. It seems that the mayor should be worried about that too.

[Nancy]

Especially given that I heard someone say that the levees were instable. Plus ANOTHER possible hurricane going who knows where right now.

[ducklite]

I feel that anyone who wants to go back to see what they can salvage should be allowed to. People are always more stressed by the unknown than the known. It's better to know what you are facing so you can begin to rebuild your life. As long as people understand any risk (and I'm not so sure how much risk there actually is) they take, they should be allowed in. Period.

Anne

[chadfromdallas]

As long as people understand any risk (and I'm not so sure how much risk there actually is) they take, they should be allowed in. Period.

Anne

People in general are ignorant. Some of these people were able to leave, but didn't. I wouldn't trust any of them to go back in when there are still risks. There are enough problems as it is.

[Tigger_Magic]

On the one hand, I can understand the mayor's concerns. NOLA is losing a ton of money every day from closed businesses and loss of convention/meeting/tourism. Apparently, some areas are open and others are possibly accessible and salvagable.

OTOH, people should be aware of the danger involved. Everyone would love to see NOLA reopened and thriving again, but that's going to take time. One can only hope after the disaster called Katrina that local, state and federal people would learn to cooperate -- even just a little.

[DawnCt1]

I feel that anyone who wants to go back to see what they can salvage should be allowed to. People are always more stressed by the unknown than the known. It's better to know what you are facing so you can begin to rebuild your life. As long as people understand any risk (and I'm not so sure how much risk there actually is) they take, they should be allowed in. Period.

Anne

It sounds like they are being allowed back in with no stipulation that they are there to "assess damage and salvage". It sound like they are being allowed back in period! Thad Allan, Vice Admiral feels that there is a significant risk. Additional federal officials feel there is significant risk. The President feels there is a significant risk. They will be walking in raw sewage and of all cities NOT to have a 911 system in place, it shouldn't be New Orleans. I think that the mayor is delusional or is not playing with all oars in the water. It could be political. No doubt he wants as many of his constituents back in time to vote.
Now, if everyone piles back in to NOLA. Will it continue to be President Bush's fault. I am sure that there will be those who will say, he should have declared martial law and taken over La.

[Nebsky]

I wouldnt have a problem letting them back in to see what can be salvaged. I would also make them sign a waiver stating they understand the risks and conditions. Something to cover the city's rear end.

I can see it now. Someone walking down the street, steps on nail. Then proceeeds to step into a puddle of toxic water, Drops their cigarette into a dry area and starts whats remaining of the house on fire. Fire department doesnt make it in time to save the house. 2 1/2 weeks later person is back at their home away from home and has a sharp pain in their foot plus a raging fever. Goes to the doctor and the doctor says, horrible infection, foot has to come off, plus going to be in hospital for a long period of time.

Two lawsuits. One for the city not being able to repsond to the fire in time and two, for allowing citizens into an unsafe/secure area. Government not doing enough to protect.

I know, it sounds a little too far fetched, but like that insurance commercial says, if you can think it, it can happen. Be prepared.

[LoraJ]

When he says "opening one zip code at a time" what exactly is the time frame? Tomorrow or months?

[wvrevy]

There is an excellent article on this subject on Yahoo:

Residents Trickle Back to New Orleans (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050919/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_katrina)

As you might expect, the story is a lot more complex than it is being made out to be.

[jgmklmhem]

I would say with Rita sitting out there possibly coming NO's way I would hold off letting people come back in right now.

[sodaseller]

As you might expect, the story is a lot more complex than it is being made out to be.

Demagogues hate the complexity that is life. Assaulting caricatured straw men is so much more nourishing to their needs

[ThAnswr]

There is an excellent article on this subject on Yahoo:

Residents Trickle Back to New Orleans (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050919/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_katrina)

As you might expect, the story is a lot more complex than it is being made out to be.

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!!!! :eek:

[ThAnswr]

Mayor Nagin seems committed to his plan to reopen New Orleans, one zip code at a time despite the warnings and concerns of Thad Allan, the Coast Guard Asst. Admiral who has said that it is "ill advised". There is no potable water, no 911 system, sewage is still spread out in the street, the levees aren't safe, another hurricane is on the way, etc, etc, etc. President Bush has expressed his concern. I heard Mayor Nagin question whether Thad Allan is the "federal mayor of New York" this morning. This guy couldn't handle the beginning, the middle and now he has authority over the end? Maybe it is time for the feds to invade Louisiana and put Nagin in a straight jacket! (hyperbole)

"President Bush has expressed his concern"...........I bet he has.

One more incompetency exhibition and he'll be run out on a rail.

[minkydog]

To my knowledge, and you may correct me if I'm wrong, there are no working trauma ERs in NO now. So if they go into their ruined homes and step on something sharp or a wall falls on them, they're just SOL without any 911 or trauma backup. i'm just not in favor of Mayor Nagins non-plan. It sounds a bit too "seat of the pants" for me. I'm sure that the people who left NO want to find out what , if anything, can be salvaged from their homes. But it's irresponsible to bring these people in before basic services(water, power, police, fire, etc) are in place.

[wvrevy]

To my knowledge, and you may correct me if I'm wrong, there are no working trauma ERs in NO now. So if they go into their ruined homes and step on something sharp or a wall falls on them, they're just SOL without any 911 or trauma backup. i'm just not in favor of Mayor Nagins non-plan. It sounds a bit too "seat of the pants" for me. I'm sure that the people who left NO want to find out what , if anything, can be salvaged from their homes. But it's irresponsible to bring these people in before basic services(water, power, police, fire, etc) are in place.
That's why I posted the article I did. Yes, there will be at least one hospital open by the time residents begin returning, with more to follow in the following days.

[DawnCt1]

"President Bush has expressed his concern"...........I bet he has.

One more incompetency exhibition and he'll be run out on a rail.

Oh Puleeezeee. The only imcompetency that has been on display is that of the so called mayor and Blank-O.

[DawnCt1]

There is an excellent article on this subject on Yahoo:

Residents Trickle Back to New Orleans (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050919/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_katrina)

As you might expect, the story is a lot more complex than it is being made out to be.
WHO do you think you are kidding!!! :rotfl2: You title your link; "Residents TRICKLE back to New Orleans, and the article is actually titled, Residents "STREAMING BACK" to New Orleans. Do you really think that 57000 people in one neighborhood, who may not be profounding affected but rely in part on the greater New Orleans are going to be safe? This really is another attempt to shore up a sagging mayor who is clearly delusional. All of the "feds" including the "on the ground" Vice Admiral, who is in the best position to be objective, are "wrong" but the mayor, who hasn't gotton one thing right, is somehow blessed with the ability to make the best decision for New Orleans. :rotfl: :rotfl2:

[wvrevy]

Actually, no, that is what the title of the article was when I posted it, Dawn. :rolleyes: In case you didn't know, Yahoo updates their articles on a regular basis, including changing the titles.

Secondly, you need to calm down a bit. Please show where I was defending the mayor's decision. Oh...wait...you can't, because I haven't done so. I merely posted an article that described more of what went into the process than cheap political hackery.

[LoraJ]

Wow. I have never seen Dawn so hard on a Republican before (he only registered as a democrat to run for mayor, he was a registered republican before that).

[DawnCt1]

Wow. I have never seen Dawn so hard on a Republican before (he only registered as a democrat to run for mayor, he was a registered republican before that).

I wouldn't care if he were a king, a prince or a pauper of the "truly gullible party", he is inept and incompetant.

[LoraJ]

I wouldn't care if he were a king, a prince or a pauper of the "truly gullible party", he is inept and incompetant.


So is Bush but you don't seem to notice that.

[bcvillastwo]

So is Bush but you don't seem to notice that. This was said in relation to an assertion that President Bush is incompetent.

Fine, fine, now would you like to talk about the Al Gore and John Kerry? I mean Al invented the internet as I recall and John, well he is a war hero, just ask him. Oh, and if memory serves me correctly John's grades in college were just about the same, maybe a tiny bit worse that George's.

Folks, and some of you just can't get over it, George W. Bush is the President and he will be for a little over 3 more years. Then, well we will just have to wait and see won't we?

[sgtdisney]

Fine, fine, now would you like to talk about the Al Gore and John Kerry? I mean Al invented the internet as I recall and John, well he is a war hero, just ask him. Oh, and if memory serves me correctly John's grades in college were just about the same, maybe a tiny bit worse that George's.


Don't forget the poster boy for liberals, William Jefferson Clinton, who didn't know what the meaning of the words 'IS' and 'S-E-X' were, and was disbarred for committing perjury. :goodvibes

[bsnyder]

There is an excellent article on this subject on Yahoo:

Residents Trickle Back to New Orleans (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050919/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_katrina)

As you might expect, the story is a lot more complex than it is being made out to be.

I've read the article, and I don't see the complexity.

The Mayor is letting the residents return before it's safe to do so. If something bad happens, you'll blame the federal government and President Bush. Seems fairly straightforward to me. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[dcentity2000]

Oh Puleeezeee. The only imcompetency that has been on display is that of the so called mayor and Blank-O.
Dawn, what did the President recently unreservedly apologise for?



Rich::

[LoraJ]

This was said in relation to an assertion that President Bush is incompetent.

Fine, fine, now would you like to talk about the Al Gore and John Kerry? I mean Al invented the internet as I recall and John, well he is a war hero, just ask him. Oh, and if memory serves me correctly John's grades in college were just about the same, maybe a tiny bit worse that George's.

Folks, and some of you just can't get over it, George W. Bush is the President and he will be for a little over 3 more years. Then, well we will just have to wait and see won't we?


Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the Internet.

Status: False
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp


Not sure what John Kerry's fighting in Vietnam and his grades have to do with Bush's incompetance. But you know what, if Kerry was president, and I felt he wasn't doing the job he should be doing, I would be voicing my opinion about it. I have absolutely no problem writing my democratic representatives if they are about to pass a law I do not agree with. I emailed Clinton plenty of times during his administration with my concerns.

No one gets a free pass from me just because of their party.

[Geoff_M]

(Narrator Voiceover: "And once again, ladies and gentlemen, to no one's surprise a thread here suddenly veers into an anti-Bush diatribe.")

[dcentity2000]

No one gets a free pass from me just because of their party.
Beautifully put Laura. Opposition is the cornerstone to any Democracy.



Rich::

[yeartolate]

I mean Al invented the internet as I recall ...

I wish you all would stop this invented the internet crap. It was an intentional mis-interpretation of what was said . I do not mind folks bringing up the negative crap about the canidates - but I am sick of the deceit (on the behalf of both parties).

Please read (http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp)

[dcentity2000]

(Narrator Voiceover: "And once again, ladies and gentlemen, to no one's surprise a thread here suddenly veers into an anti-Bush diatribe.")
Resistance is futile :banana:



Rich::

[Tigger_Magic]

(Narrator Voiceover: "And once again, ladies and gentlemen, to no one's surprise a thread here suddenly veers into an anti-Bush diatribe.") And one is reminded of this quote from page 1 Demagogues hate the complexity that is life. Assaulting caricatured straw men is so much more nourishing to their needs. Ain't it the truth... about BOTH sides. :sad2:

[DawnCt1]

Actually, no, that is what the title of the article was when I posted it, Dawn. :rolleyes: In case you didn't know, Yahoo updates their articles on a regular basis, including changing the titles.

Secondly, you need to calm down a bit. Please show where I was defending the mayor's decision. Oh...wait...you can't, because I haven't done so. I merely posted an article that described more of what went into the process than cheap political hackery.

Well wvrevy, I am glad to see that you haven't signed on to the resettling of New Orleans. I have just heard that even the mayor is rethinking his thinking. There is hope!

[wvrevy]

I've read the article, and I don't see the complexity.

The Mayor is letting the residents return before it's safe to do so. If something bad happens, you'll blame the federal government and President Bush. Seems fairly straightforward to me. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Hey...while you've got that crystal ball out, could you check next week's lottery numbers for me ? :rotfl:

Of course you don't see the complexity, Bet...You want to blame everything that happens on the mayor and governor, just like you accuse anyone critical of the federal response - despite the many times we've all said that blame is shared - of wanting to blame everything that happens on Bush.

I think it's pretty obvious who it is making the decision to allow them back in. It's asinine to even suggest that people would blame Shrub or anyone else if things go bad.

[sgtdisney]

I think it's pretty obvious who it is making the decision to allow them back in. It's asinine to even suggest that people would blame Shrub or anyone else if things go bad.

It is asinine, you are right, but people have been blaming Bush for the direction the wind is blowing lately, so I am sure they wouldn't have any problem assigning him the blame if the idiot (pretending to be) running NO lets these people back into the city prematurely. :sunny:

[ThAnswr]

Oh Puleeezeee. The only imcompetency that has been on display is that of the so called mayor and Blank-O.

You can't make this stuff up.

[ThAnswr]

This was said in relation to an assertion that President Bush is incompetent.

Fine, fine, now would you like to talk about the Al Gore and John Kerry? I mean Al invented the internet as I recall and John, well he is a war hero, just ask him. Oh, and if memory serves me correctly John's grades in college were just about the same, maybe a tiny bit worse that George's.

Folks, and some of you just can't get over it, George W. Bush is the President and he will be for a little over 3 more years. Then, well we will just have to wait and see won't we?

It just goes on and on. You can't make this stuff up.

And weren't you the one who rationalized Pat Robertson's invoking of the 12th commandment: "If he won't cooperate, assassinate him".

[sodaseller]

(Narrator Voiceover: "And once again, ladies and gentlemen, to no one's surprise a thread here suddenly veers into an anti-Bush diatribe.")
It's a bait thread, intended to elicit outrage and harsh responses. No surprise that it had the intended effect.

[wvrevy]

It is asinine, you are right, but people have been blaming Bush for the direction the wind is blowing lately, so I am sure they wouldn't have any problem assigning him the blame if the idiot running NO lets these people back into the city prematurely. :sunny:
:rolleyes:
Nobody with an ounce of sense in their head has blamed Bush for anything but the bungling of the federal response to the catastrophe in the Gulf Coast. Yes, there have been discussions about what effect - if any - global warming has had on the intensity of storms. Considering that up until the last couple years, Bush and the rest of the right refused to even admit that there was such a thing as global warming - and have refused to do much about it even still - I think that it's fair to discuss that issue. But nobody is blaming Bush for anything other than inept leadership and cronyism (putting supporters in positions of power, despite the lack of qualifications)...at least not anybody that I've actually seen or heard, and certainly nobody on these boards.

If somebody on my side of the fence starts blaming the feds for people returning to New Orleans, you can bet that I will call them on it.

[ThAnswr]

Wow. I have never seen Dawn so hard on a Republican before (he only registered as a democrat to run for mayor, he was a registered republican before that).

You're kidding me.........Nagin was a Republican?

This gets better and better with each passing day.

[ThAnswr]

I wouldn't care if he were a king, a prince or a pauper of the "truly gullible party", he is inept and incompetant.


I had to see this again.

Hahahahahahaha..............probably said with a straight face.

[DawnCt1]

:rolleyes:
Nobody with an ounce of sense in their head has blamed Bush for anything but the bungling of the federal response to the catastrophe in the Gulf Coast..


Then you missed Louis Farrakan's rant that the levee was deliberately blown up to spare the white neighborhoods at the expense of the black neighborhoods. You did qualify your statement with "nobody with an ounce of sense". That would include Louis Farrakan! ;)

[bsnyder]

Hey...while you've got that crystal ball out, could you check next week's lottery numbers for me ? :rotfl:

Of course you don't see the complexity, Bet...You want to blame everything that happens on the mayor and governor, just like you accuse anyone critical of the federal response - despite the many times we've all said that blame is shared - of wanting to blame everything that happens on Bush.

I think it's pretty obvious who it is making the decision to allow them back in. It's asinine to even suggest that people would blame Shrub or anyone else if things go bad.

Then why don't you list the complexities?

And do you agree with the Mayor's decision?

[ThAnswr]

Don't forget the poster boy for liberals, William Jefferson Clinton, who didn't know what the meaning of the words 'IS' and 'S-E-X' were, and was disbarred for committing perjury. :goodvibes

Ding, ding, ding, ding............we got a winner here. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/aktion/action-smiley-033.gif

Only 25 posts before the Katrina disaster and subsequent incompetence was all Bill Clinton's fault because he got "lewinskied".

[Geoff_M]

You did qualify your statement with "nobody with an ounce of sense". That would include Louis Farrakan! Would you make the same qualification about those that blame Bush's energy policy as the genesis for storms such as Katrina, or the folks that blame Bush's recent ACE budget cuts for the flooding? Ditto for people that blame Bush's mass transit spending as harmful to the efforts to evacuate New Orleans?

[ThAnswr]

I've read the article, and I don't see the complexity.

The Mayor is letting the residents return before it's safe to do so. If something bad happens, you'll blame the federal government and President Bush. Seems fairly straightforward to me. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

While your crystal ball is up and running, could you tell me the winning numbers in tonight's Fantasy 5? Thanks in advance.

[ThAnswr]

Dawn, what did the President recently unreservedly apologise for?



Rich::

Being himself. That's the whole problem in a nutshell. ;)

[sgtdisney]

Ding, ding, ding, ding............we got a winner here. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/aktion/action-smiley-033.gif

Only 25 posts before the Katrina disaster and subsequent incompetence was all Bill Clinton's fault because he got "lewinskied".

Where did I say the Katrina distaster was President Clinton's fault? I just assumed that since every single thread here about anything in NO gets tied to Bush in any number of ways, that it would be fun to remember the person who was in office before him. You know, the guy who likes cigars and lies under oath because he was "not" having relations in the oval office. :banana: :grouphug:

[ThAnswr]

Whatta thread! I haven't seen this entertaining a trainwreck since the old DB days.

Thanks, Dawn.

[sgtdisney]

Would you make the same qualification about those that blame Bush's energy policy as the genesis for storms such as Katrina, or the folks that blame Bush's recent ACE budget cuts for the flooding? Ditto for people that blame Bush's mass transit spending as harmful to the efforts to evacuate New Orleans?

Excuse me, but did Global Warming just start to occur in the last 5 years or so? Also, couldn't all those school busses that are now rotting in that cesspool that used to be New Orleans have been used to evacuate at least some of the people who didn't leave before Katrina hit? :umbrella:

[ThAnswr]

Where did I say the Katrina distaster was President Clinton's fault? I just assumed that since every single thread here about anything in NO gets tied to Bush in any number of ways, that it would be fun to remember the person who was in office before him. You know, the guy who likes cigars and lies under oath because he was "not" having relations in the oval office. :banana: :grouphug:

Well, DUH, it all goes back to Bush because Bush is the president and the guy who likes to play "hide the cigar" isn't. I realize it's tough to believe Bush really is president especially after his "Charlie MacCarthy" performance Thursday night, but sad to say, it is true.

[sgtdisney]

Well, DUH, it all goes back to Bush because Bush is the president and the guy who likes to play "hide the cigar" isn't. I realize it's tough to believe Bush really is president especially after his "Charlie MacCarthy" performance Thursday night, but sad to say, it is true.

Sad for you perhaps, but then your 'answr' isn't really always the correct one for everyone in question. :flower:

[wvrevy]

Would you make the same qualification about those that blame Bush's energy policy as the genesis for storms such as Katrina, or the folks that blame Bush's recent ACE budget cuts for the flooding? Ditto for people that blame Bush's mass transit spending as harmful to the efforts to evacuate New Orleans?

1 - No, I would not consider Louis Farrikan as someone with an ounce of sense.

2 - I already answered that, Geoff. There are things that can be discussed about the affect global warming - of which Bush' policies are most certainly a contributor, but far from the only factor - is having on the intensity of these storms. That is a legitimate discussion, and not really one that most of us - not being trained scientists - are in the least bit qualified to have. 'Course, that doesn't stop the white house from ignoring scientific advice, now does it ?

3 - ACE budget cuts did indeed make it more likely the levees would fail. However, those budgets have been cut since long before Bush came into office. True, he cut them even closer to the bone. But Clinton, Bush I, and Reagan are as much to blame for that as Dubya.

4 - Hadn't heard that "mass transit" argument, so I can't really comment.

[Southern4sure]

I personally think it is too early to ask residents to return. Last week you heard Nagin saying force will be used to remove the remaining citizens of NO but now it is OK to return?....... :confused3

I think this is just sickening...the search is on but I dont think they will find what they are looking for.

http://usliberals.about.com/b/a/203610.htm

[ThAnswr]

Sad for you perhaps, but then your 'answr' isn't really always the correct one for everyone in question. :flower:


And even sadder for the next poor ******* who has to suffer through a natural disaster and the subsequent unnatural disaster brought about by the Bush administration incompetence.

[M:SteveO]

:rolleyes:
Nobody with an ounce of sense in their head has blamed Bush for anything but the bungling of the federal response to the catastrophe in the Gulf Coast. Yes, there have been discussions about what effect - if any - global warming has had on the intensity of storms. Considering that up until the last couple years, Bush and the rest of the right refused to even admit that there was such a thing as global warming - and have refused to do much about it even still - I think that it's fair to discuss that issue. But nobody is blaming Bush for anything other than inept leadership and cronyism (putting supporters in positions of power, despite the lack of qualifications)...at least not anybody that I've actually seen or heard, and certainly nobody on these boards.

If somebody on my side of the fence starts blaming the feds for people returning to New Orleans, you can bet that I will call them on it.

Many on the left have blamed President Bush for not funding the levee system adequately even though it would have taken 20 years to do it right. Many on the left, including someone named ThAnswr, have blamed the federal government for the fact that the state misappropriated funds intended for emergency response. Many on the left have blamed President Bush for the fact that global warming over the last five years is responsible for more hurricanes even though it is scientifically proven that hurricanes go in cycles (i.e. in the 1930's they had a string of many-hurricane seasons). Many on the left have blamed the federal government for the fact that the state and local governments did not follow through on their own emergency evacuation plans and the fact that there was looting and gang violence in NOLA preventing the levels of government and the Red Cross from entering the city. Many on the left have blamed the fact that the federal response was slow on the assumption that George Bush doesn't care about black people.


President Bush has expressed his concern"...........I bet he has.

One more incompetency exhibition and he'll be run out on a rail.

So when President Bush takes control of the situation by saying that he's not sure that it's the best thing that people return to the city, he's still criticized. He is expressing concern about the safety of a largely black and poor population (even though he hates black people and poor people). How incompetent and uncompassionate of him to look out for his fellow citizens. I'm not sure how expressing concern equates to incompetency, but whatever says is incompetent to the left. You guys are insane.

[DawnCt1]

Would you make the same qualification about those that blame Bush's energy policy as the genesis for storms such as Katrina, or the folks that blame Bush's recent ACE budget cuts for the flooding? Ditto for people that blame Bush's mass transit spending as harmful to the efforts to evacuate New Orleans?

You are right. There is a long list of people with "no sense" but a big AX to grind.

[sgtdisney]

And even sadder for the next poor ******* who has to suffer through a natural disaster and the subsequent unnatural disaster brought about by the Bush administration incompetence.

The local and state governments were just as responsible for the mess that became of New Orleans. But I suspect that isn't an answer you want to hear.

[wvrevy]

I personally think it is too early to ask residents to return. Last week you heard Nagin saying force will be used to remove the remaining citizens of NO but now it is OK to return?....... :confused3

I think this is just sickening...the search is on but I dont think they will find what they are looking for.

http://usliberals.about.com/b/a/203610.htm

From that link:
Reports Time, "...On Sept. 9, Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions called his old law professor Harold Apolinsky, co-author of Sessions' legislation repealing the federal estate tax, which was encountering sudden resistance on the Hill. Sessions had an idea to revitalize their cause, which he left on Apolinsky's voice mail: '[Arizona Sen.] Jon Kyl and I were talking about the estate tax. If we knew anybody that owned a business that lost life in the storm, that would be something we could push back with.' "
:rotfl: As disgusting as that is, the really funny part is that they can't find any, simply because anyone rich enough to qualify was also rich enough to get themselves out of town well before the storm hit.

This reminds me a lot of Mel Martinez' nauseating little memo about how much political capital the right was going to make off of the Terri Schiavo thing.

[ThAnswr]

I personally think it is too early to ask residents to return. Last week you heard Nagin saying force will be used to remove the remaining citizens of NO but now it is OK to return?....... :confused3

I think this is just sickening...the search is on but I dont think they will find what they are looking for.

http://usliberals.about.com/b/a/203610.htm

This has got to be a joke. Tell me Time is pulling our leg........please tell me that.

[sodaseller]

I have seen no one that posits causal linkage between the policy and the 2005 storms, because that makes little sense. Even if Pres. Bush had made implementing Kyoto his No 1 priority on 1/21/01, there would be no appreciable reduction in greenhouse effect before 2005 (even the nations that attempted to implement it have fallen behind). But there is a fair and defensible argument that the current 1-3 degree increase in ocean water temps, which appears to cyclic rather than a product of human agency, have increased activity this much (and it's not clear that the temps are what caused this upcycle, though it is indisputable than an increase of ocean temps will cause a histogram of data unknown in the relatively short era of recorded meteorological history), it's fair to raise that issue in this context.

My logical counter to that of course, is that if we do in fact cause a nontransitory increase in ocean temps, there will be a tremendous in crease in cyclonic activity, but given that the ocean levels and currents will shift and ecosystems destroyed will rise independent of that activity, it's not certain that cyclonic activity will be our biggest concern.

[wvrevy]

The local and state governments were just as responsible for the mess that became of New Orleans. But I suspect that isn't an answer you want to hear.
Bolding above added by me to demonstrate that we all agree on that, at least to some degree. The problem is that some people refuse to see any failure from the federal side.

[ThAnswr]

[QUOTE=M:SteveO]Many on the left have blamed President Bush for not funding the levee system adequately even though it would have taken 20 years to do it right. Many on the left, including someone named ThAnswr, have blamed the federal government for the fact that the state misappropriated funds intended for emergency response. /QUOTE]

Get the story straight. What I said was that if the Federal government knew Homeland Security funds for emergency response had been misspropriated and misused, and indeed they did since indictments were issued, why didn't they keep a closer eye on what was going on in Louisiana?

Apology accepted.

[ThAnswr]

The local and state governments were just as responsible for the mess that became of New Orleans. But I suspect that isn't an answer you want to hear.

No kidding. Now show me where I ever said anything different. Link, please.

I'm starting to believe some of you are either:

1) Seeing things

2) Hearing things

3) Live in the Bizarro world.

4) 1, 2, and 3

[bcvillastwo]

Yeartolate, earlier you took issue with my comment about Al Gore inventing the internet.

I read the article you suggested and for the record I completely agree that folks on both sides sometimes intentionally take things out of context in order to made the other side look bad, or silly.

Furthermore, just so you know, I used more than one comment (e.g., Gore inventing the internet) in an attempt to the point that sometimes politicians say things that seem a little silly that don't pass muster when seen in the clear light of day.

I'll conceed your point about Gore creating vs. inventing the internet. Perhaps he didn't mean that he invented when he used the word "create" to describe his involvement in the internet. Perhaps he did just mean that he only saw the that the idea had merit (my words not yours, his or the article you provided) and decided to support it.

However, the 2nd definition for "create" in the Encarta® World English Dictionary, North American Edition (online) says the following:

2. transitive verb give rise to something: to result in something or make something happen.

In my view, this definition it is pretty darn close to the idea of creating something and could easily be used to support the contention that Al Gore said he invented the internet in the sense that his actions gave rise to or (helped) make the internet happen.

But, I will take my swat on the nose and try not to do it again.

[dcentity2000]

Being himself. That's the whole problem in a nutshell. ;)
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:



Rich::

[sgtdisney]

No kidding. Now show me where I ever said anything different. Link, please.


Sorry, no offense meant here, but I refuse to parse back through all your posts to find any proof. However, my point here is any time anyone mentions ANYTHING about New Orleans, there is a select group of fine DIS posters who bring up President Bush no matter what the topic or subject at hand. Just my own personal observation. :dog2:

[DawnCt1]

Whatta thread! I haven't seen this entertaining a trainwreck since the old DB days.

Thanks, Dawn.
Just whose training is wrecking?? :confused3

[ThAnswr]

Sorry, no offense meant here, but I refuse to parse back through all your posts to find any proof. However, my point here is any time anyone mentions ANYTHING about New Orleans, there is a select group of fine DIS posters who bring up President Bush no matter what the topic or subject at hand. Just my own personal observation. :dog2:

Take all the time you want, you won't find any proof.

As far as Bush is concerned, I'm a fan of Harry Truman's little desk sign "the buck stops here".

[wvrevy]

You guys are insane.

Nice. :rolleyes:

[ThAnswr]

Just whose training is wrecking?? :confused3

Huh?

Your "dump on Nagin" thread has become a trainwreck and a sideshow worthy of Joe Franklin.

[ThAnswr]

You guys are insane.

Nice. :rolleyes:

And there was a joke in there somewhere. ;)

[bcvillastwo]

What is totally inclear to me is the following.

What were the duties and responsibilities of each unit of government and each organization in each unit of government. Lots of assertions are being made but I haven't seen anyone or read anything that clearly lays out who was responsible for what and when did their responsibility actually kick into being.

Clearly the timeline needs to include answers to these who, what, and when questions. Our news media just stirs the pot. They conduct hundreds of intereviews, allow those they interview to say to say all manner of things and for the most part what is said goes completly unchallenged.

Surely there are documents that say what FEMA is supposed to do and when they are supposed to do it. Clearly the Governor had certain duties and responsibilities, the same with the Mayor. What is Homeland Security's role? What about the other federal agencies? When can they actually come in and what is their role when they do come into a situation like this?

What did the key political figures (President, Governor, and Mayor) know and when did they know it?

If I went to my boss and made a host of unsubstantiated assertions I wouldn't have my auditing job very long. Yet, these news people get away with it all of the time.

[sgtdisney]

Take all the time you want, you won't find any proof.

As far as Bush is concerned, I'm a fan of Harry Truman's little desk sign "the buck stops here".

Too bad Nagin, and that poor excuse for a Governor, don't subscribe to Truman's little desk sign either.

[Geoff_M]

wvrey, you said "Nobody with an ounce of sense in their head has blamed Bush for anything but the bungling of the federal response to the catastrophe in the Gulf Coast"[/quote]That is demonstrably false. The nut in the bow tie aside, many have blamed for many other things related to Katrina, as I pointed out. With regard to the mass transit issue, Sen. Landrieu uncorked that one in explaining why NO wasn't effectively evacuated...LANDRIEU: ... Mayor Nagin and most mayors in this country have a hard time getting their people to work on a sunny day, let alone getting them out of the city in front of a hurricane. And it's because this administration and administrations before them do not understand the difficulties that mayors — whether they are in Orlando, Miami, or New Orleans — face.

(CROSSTALK)

LANDRIEU: In other words, this administration did not believe in mass transit. They won't even get people to work on a sunny day, let alone getting them out...