Did she just say, ..."pull our troops out of occupied New Orleans"

[bop28]

This is a quote from Cindy Sheehan. Mother of a US Soldier killed in Iraq. She actually said "occupied New Orleans". She was parked in Crawford Texas before the Hurricane and then was silenced by the Media when Katrina hit. She's back and angry about the troops Occupying New Orleans. You can find her entire rant in The Drudge Report, the Huffington Post and Micheal Moore.com. She has really lost it. She needed something provacative to say, to get back in the front of the camera since Katrina knocked her out, and I'm sure it will work.

[ducklite]

Wow. I would hardly say NOLA is "occupied". The troops there are there on a humanitarian mission.

I used to have some empathy for this woman. Now I'm not sure what her agenda is, or if she's just gone off the deep end.

Anne

[bsnyder]

Oh those wacky liberals....

[bsnyder]

Now I'm not sure what her agenda is....

Anne

I'm pretty sure I know what it is.

[WDWBetsy]

This is a quote from Cindy Sheehan. Mother of a US Soldier killed in Iraq. She actually said "occupied New Orleans". She was parked in Crawford Texas before the Hurricane and then was silenced by the Media when Katrina hit. She's back and angry about the troops Occupying New Orleans. You can find her entire rant in The Drudge Report, the Huffington Post and Micheal Moore.com. She has really lost it. She needed something provacative to say, to get back in the front of the camera since Katrina knocked her out, and I'm sure it will work.

Gee - that wasn't out of context.

This woman is grieving for her son. You might not understand why she says what she does; everyone grieves in their own way. She is angered over troops being led into a war based on misinformation/lies. She's angry that her son died for a cause that keeps changing. She's hurt and angry - and I can't say that I blame her. I'm sure that her grief is affecting the way she sees troops being deployed, regardless of where it is.

Maybe you thought she had been silenced, but our local news is still giving her cause some airtime. And I'm glad. If some of her critics got what they wished for, we might not hear as much about the soldiers and civilians being wounded and killed. It's easy to not pay attention and just accept what our government does in our names. At least she's fighting for something worthwhile.

The last part of her speech was:
I don't care if a human being is black, brown, white, yellow or pink. I don't care if a human being is Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, or pagan. I don't care what flag a person salutes: if a human being is hungry, then it is up to another human being to feed him/her. George Bush needs to stop talking, admit the mistakes of his all around failed administration, pull our troops out of occupied New Orleans and Iraq, and excuse his self from power. The only way America will become more secure is if we have a new administration that cares about Americans even if they don't fall into the top two percent of the wealthiest.

I don't believe that's such a bad thing to say. :confused3

[ducklite]

Why on earth should we "pull our troops" out of "Occupied" New Orleans?

Setting all politics aside (I think both sides are crackpots at this point) I think that the soldiers and sailors currently helping in NOLA are a wonderful thing. They are helping the local police in peacekeeping, rescuing people, offering food and water, working on repairing the infrastructure. What is so wrong with all of that?

Anne

[DawnCt1]

Cindy Sheehan has an anti war, left wing agenda, long before her son even enlisted in the military. This is just an extension of that. I think her "grieving" is discrediting her son, and she can use whatever excuse she wants, but she is being manipulated by the moonbats, or has become one herself.

[WDWBetsy]

Why on earth should we "pull our troops" out of "Occupied" New Orleans?

Setting all politics aside (I think both sides are crackpots at this point) I think that the soldiers and sailors currently helping in NOLA are a wonderful thing. They are helping the local police in peacekeeping, rescuing people, offering food and water, working on repairing the infrastructure. What is so wrong with all of that?

Anne

I don't believe we should. The troops are doing a wonderful job. All I was saying that she is probably reacting in a different way than most would expect, because she is so upset. That might not seem rationale to you or I, but she is grieving and I respect her pain.

I don't agree with the right-wing attacks against someone who's is so openly grieving. Talk about kicking you when you're down. All I'm saying is that people shouldn't attack someone and question their grieving as being political. How about some compassion and understanding?

[bsnyder]

I thnk she's slandering the troops in New Orleans who are there saving lives, providing security and helping people rebuild their shattered lives. No amount of grief can excuse that. It's just wrong!

[Teejay32]

All I'm saying is that people shouldn't attack someone and question their grieving as being political. How about some compassion and understanding?

There's a limit. I have compassion & understanding enough to wonder if she misspoke when saying New Orleans. If she didn't, then no way.

[mickeyfan2]

Why on earth should we "pull our troops" out of "Occupied" New Orleans?

Setting all politics aside (I think both sides are crackpots at this point) I think that the soldiers and sailors currently helping in NOLA are a wonderful thing. They are helping the local police in peacekeeping, rescuing people, offering food and water, working on repairing the infrastructure. What is so wrong with all of that?

Anne

Absolute nothing.

[WDWBetsy]

She also said:

One thing that truly troubled me about my visit to Louisiana was the level of the military presence there. I imagined before that if the military had to be used in a CONUS (Continental US) operations that they would be there to help the citizens: Clothe them, feed them, shelter them, and protect them. But what I saw was a city that is occupied. I saw soldiers walking around in patrols of 7 with their weapons slung on their backs. I wanted to ask one of them what it would take for one of them to shoot me. Sand bags were removed from private property to make machine gun nests.

She said she envisioned them helping, feeding, sheltering, protecting. But she saw patrols and sand bags to make machine gun nests. I wouldn't expect that either. As someone who is critical of the Iraq war myself, I would probably be more sensitive to seeing troops patroling a US city. It's not something we'd normally see. I remember flying out of Indianapolis in November 2001, and the National Guard troops in the airport made me feel safe, but yet I felt like I was in a different world. I honestly don't see that much of a difference. She was commenting on seeing our own troops patroling our cities like they were in a war zone.

And if I recall, some of the troops now in New Orleans are recently back from Iraq. Does anyone remember watching TV and seeing the National Guard being told to put their weapons down by General Honore? I do. He repeatedly went up to military vehicles, National Guardsmen standing sentry and even to New Orleans police officers, telling them to please point their weapons down and reminding them that they were not in Iraq. I saw the footage.

[WDWBetsy]

I thnk she's slandering the troops in New Orleans who are there saving lives, providing security and helping people rebuild their shattered lives. No amount of grief can excuse that. It's just wrong!

I guess we're just interpreting her words differently then.

[Geoff_M]

I don't agree with the right-wing attacks against someone who's is so openly grieving. Talk about kicking you when you're down. All I'm saying is that people shouldn't attack someone and question their grieving as being political. How about some compassion and understanding?James Lileks pointed out: If the experiences of a person’s life makes their remarks off-limits to commentary, then no one would have had the gall to point out that a grieving protestor who lost a son regretted that he had died “on behalf of filthy (insert a long string of anti-Arab racial slurs).” Because she would have unassailable moral authority.I'm sorry, but losing a family member does not give people license to say such outrageous things. Initially, perhaps... but if her continued outbursts are just part of her "grieving" and not motived by personal politics, I think the poor woman needs some professional help. I don't kind it's very healthy to be stuck in this stage of the natural grieving process for such a long time.

[bsnyder]

She also said:

One thing that truly troubled me about my visit to Louisiana was the level of the military presence there. I imagined before that if the military had to be used in a CONUS (Continental US) operations that they would be there to help the citizens: Clothe them, feed them, shelter them, and protect them. But what I saw was a city that is occupied. I saw soldiers walking around in patrols of 7 with their weapons slung on their backs. I wanted to ask one of them what it would take for one of them to shoot me. Sand bags were removed from private property to make machine gun nests.

She said she envisioned them helping, feeding, sheltering, protecting. But she saw patrols and sand bags to make machine gun nests. I wouldn't expect that either. As someone who is critical of the Iraq war myself, I would probably be more sensitive to seeing troops patroling a US city. It's not something we'd normally see. I remember flying out of Indianapolis in November 2001, and the National Guard troops in the airport made me feel safe, but yet I felt like I was in a different world. I honestly don't see that much of a difference. She was commenting on seeing our own troops patroling our cities like they were in a war zone.

And if I recall, some of the troops now in New Orleans are recently back from Iraq. Does anyone remember watching TV and seeing the National Guard being told to put their weapons down by General Honore? I do. He repeatedly went up to military vehicles, National Guardsmen standing sentry and even to New Orleans police officers, telling them to please point their weapons down and reminding them that they were not in Iraq. I saw the footage.

Thanks for posting the rest of what she said. I hadn't read it yet. And it only reinforces my opinion that it's slander. Her utter contempt and hatred for the U.S. military, as opposed to just her contempt and hatred for the President, is out in plain view now.

[WDWBetsy]

James Lileks pointed out: I'm sorry, but losing a family member does not give people license to say such outrageous things. Initially, perhaps... but if her continued outbursts are just part of her "grieving" and not motived by personal politics, I think the poor woman needs some professional help. I don't kind it's very healthy to be stuck in this stage of the natural grieving process for such a long time.

I'm not saying what she said about New Orleans being occupied was right. But I don't believe her statement as a whole was that offbase. I work with grieving families as a part of my job. They all grieve differently.

Personally, I believe she's just pouring her grief into this cause because she hopes she can save another parent from feeling the same pain. She probably does need some major counseling.

Some info on coping with grief (http://www.nmha.org/infoctr/factsheets/42.cfm) ...

If you read her whole statement, you'll see she's trying to do some good. She's trying to help survivors, so even though some may think she's loony - I respect her for trying in her own way to reach out to others.

[WDWBetsy]

Thanks for posting the rest of what she said. I hadn't read it yet. And it only reinforces my opinion that it's slander. Her utter contempt and hatred for the U.S. military, as opposed to just her contempt and hatred for the President, is out in plain view now.

WHAT? Contempt and hatred for the U.S. military? That is outrageous. You're saying that she is committing slander? Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation? Really?

Just because someone doesn't believe in our government sending our troops to fight a war based on lies doesn't mean that we hate the troops. That's just wrong.

The only thing I see in plain view is the utter contempt for a woman and anyone else who doesn't believe in the actions of Bush and his administration.

[Teejay32]

I guess she did know what she was saying, and yep you're seeing utter contempt here. I don't know why it would be extended to all who have issues with Bush and the administration though.

[bsnyder]

Just because someone doesn't believe in our government sending our troops to fight a war based on lies doesn't mean that we hate the troops. That's just wrong.

.

That's not the issue here. The issue is, she doesn't believe in our government sending our troops in to save a city, either. She sees them as "occupiers". :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Geoff_M]

I'm not saying what she said about New Orleans being occupied was right.Mother Sheehan isn't just "not right" about New Orleans... it's beyond rational thought to say that troops should be "pulled out" of "occupied New Orleans". The "right wing" isn't "attacking" her merely for being against the US being in Iraq (btw, she's not the first family member of a soldier killed to express such a view publically), but doing so in an often unhinged manner.

Again, her personal loss doesn't exempt her from being pointed out when she exhibits the periodic moonbat behavior. To use Lileks' thoughts, if tomorrow Mother Sheehan said that she's decided that Islam is also to share for her son's death and all Muslims should be expelled from our country, then should we cut her some slack because she's only doing what she thinks is right for our nation?

[WDWBetsy]

That's not the issue here. The issue is, she doesn't believe in our government sending our troops in to save a city, either. She sees them as "occupiers". :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And what I said was that if I went into a city to help out and expected to see troops helping, feeding, sheltering, and protecting - and also saw them patroling in groups and taking sand bags to make machine gun nests, that would seem out of place for a US city, and indeed - somewhat like occupying. I was a little nervous when we got off our RCCL cruise in Cozumel and there were armed soldiers with automatic weapons right there at the port. It is a different feeling when you're not used to seeing it. :earseek: And there were only about 5 of those soldiers!

She DOES believe in sending troops in to save a city - she said she expected the humanitarian relief. I would be in awe of so many troops in an American city, too. There are thousands of troops now in New Orleans. If they are in fact walking around patroling and setting up machine gun nests, I would think that would appear to be "occupied." :confused3 Just saying it might appear that way to someone who is in such raw pain. I give people who are grieving a little more leeway.

Does that mean they should leave? No. I don't believe that. I don't agree with her choice of words including New Orleans. Sometimes she's a little too radical for me, too! :grouphug:

[BuckNaked]

She probably does need some major counseling.

That's the understatement of the year.

[magicfan]

What exactly does this woman want our military to do? Doe's she think she can change the "job description" of all military personelle? When my DH joined the military he knew full well that he could be sent off to war. Or, a number of other things. It's what they do. I do feel compassion for her since she just lost her son (I have lost many loved ones, myself...I know how it feels) , but she needs to get real, also.

[Charade]

Two words...


SHUT UP!

(does the exclamation point count as a word?)

[WDWBetsy]

Two words...


SHUT UP!

(does the exclamation point count as a word?)

Two words back at ya: FIRST AMENDMENT?!


No. The exclamation point doesn't count as a word. :banana:

[BuckNaked]

Two words back at ya: FIRST AMENDMENT?!




You're absolutely right - Charade does have a First Amendment right to tell her to shut up. :rotfl:

[Nancy]

I have to go in and read the whole article. I want to know when and why she went into NO. Was it when they were still doing evacs? Was she taking aid in (in the form of food and water). If it was when they were doing evacuations then the military probaby did have arms...they were trying to stop the gangs from doing more harm. And if so then the troops were doing what she wanted them to..by a show of arms they were protecting.

I really think she has gone over the deep end. Yes, I know grief can cause lots of things to happen to you physically and mentally...but she needs some serious counseling. All that she is doing is making it worse for herself...all this anger and dwelling on his death can't be healthy.

That said...she must still have her wits about her somewhat...she got back in the news again and is keeping her name out there.

[magicfan]

Was she doing all this complaining before her son died?

Did she support him and what he did for a living before he died?

[Wish I lived in Fl]

And if I recall, some of the troops now in New Orleans are recently back from Iraq. Does anyone remember watching TV and seeing the National Guard being told to put their weapons down by General Honore? I do. He repeatedly went up to military vehicles, National Guardsmen standing sentry and even to New Orleans police officers, telling them to please point their weapons down and reminding them that they were not in Iraq. I saw the footage.

If their General is reminding them not to point their guns at US civilians unless there is a specific threat then how can we argue that they should be. It has disturbed me also to see how the troops seemed to be expecting imminent attack rather than helping but being armed in case necessary. ie. police don't go around with weapons drawn though they are armed.

I can truly sympathize with the loss of her son. Especially when the rationale for the war (of Iraq posessing wmds) was later found to be exagerated.

[BuckNaked]

Was she doing all this complaining before her son died?

Did she support him and what he did for a living before he died?

No, she did not support his decision to enlist, she tried to talk him out of re-enlisting, and then she tried to convince him to desert the Army and run to Canada rather than go to Iraq.

[magicfan]

No, she did not support his decision to enlist, she tried to talk him out of re-enlisting, and then she tried to convince him to desert the Army and run to Canada rather than go to Iraq.


I wonder what kind of relationship she had with her son. Were they close? Does anyone know? I wonder how he felt about her opinions?

I understand how she would have been scared for her sons life, and is now greiving over his death, but he was an adult and it was ultimately his decision to join the service.

[BuckNaked]

I wonder what kind of relationship she had with her son. Were they close? Does anyone know? I wonder how he felt about her opinions?

I understand how she would have been scared for her sons life, and is now greiving over his death, but he was an adult and it was ultimately his decision to join the service.

From everything I've read, they were extremely close.

[magicfan]

From everything I've read, they were extremely close.


Maybe she should pay a visit to John Edward--the medium who talks to the dead...

I am not making light of this at all---I'm being serious. I don't even know if John Edwards can really do what he says he can do, but if he can, or she believes he can, I wonder if that would bring her any comfort. He usually tells people that their loved ones are fine, not to worry about them, they are with Uncle Bob, etc.... etc.... Maybe if she feels she has gotten in touch with him, she can begin the healing process and let go of all this anger...

JUST A THOUGHT!! IT IS LATE!

[WDWBetsy]

If their General is reminding them not to point their guns at US civilians unless there is a specific threat then how can we argue that they should be. It has disturbed me also to see how the troops seemed to be expecting imminent attack rather than helping but being armed in case necessary. ie. police don't go around with weapons drawn though they are armed.

I can truly sympathize with the loss of her son. Especially when the rationale for the war (of Iraq posessing wmds) was later found to be exagerated.

I agree.

[mickeyfan2]

I want to know when and why she went into NO. Was it when they were still doing evacs?

I am more interested in knowing how a non-emergency person was allowed into NOLA when the residents are not allowed in?

[WDWBetsy]

I am more interested in knowing how a non-emergency person was allowed into NOLA when the residents are not allowed in?

http://www.michaelmoore.com/_images/splash/ATT00410.jpg http://www.michaelmoore.com/_images/splash/ATT00407.jpg http://www.michaelmoore.com/_images/splash/PC120078.jpg
Michael Moore's website called for donations of money and supplies. He wanted help to go immediately to the New Orleans area, so he teamed with Veterans for Peace. I believe Sheehan arrived Sept. 15. Over $500,000 has been raised and they are camped in Covington, LA. Then they're going into NO and surrounding communities (including Algiers, LA) distributing tons of food/supplies. Think what you wish about Sheehan, people are getting help.

EDITED TO ADD: They are trying to help people who are in shelters and also those who are not homeless, including those who have fallen through the cracks and haven't yet received FEMA or Red Cross aid.

[3for Me]

Have to jump in on this one...New Orleans is somewhat "occupied" right now, and yes I know, because yes I have been there to check on my flooded home and I say THANK GOD FOR THE MILITARY PRESENCE!!!

Anyone who does not live in our fair city has no idea...well, actually, you all do now...of the "element" we have been dealing with for years. I am telling you that if the military were not there, we would still be in chaos.

I personally felt very secure when armed men knocked on my door while I was cleaning to let me know (politely) that they were there patrolling and keeping me and my property safe.

When you sit in a hotel room PRAYING that your house is flooded because otherwise, looters are likely sitting in it doing God knows what...you are thrilled when armed men and women show up to "occupy" your city.

Our city was in controlled chaos before, now, as you all know, all hell has broken loose and believe me, the military is NECESSARY and WELCOME right now.

By the way, Ducklite...love your new logo...bent but not broken.

[ToriLammy]

Our city was in controlled chaos before, now, as you all know, all hell has broken loose and believe me, the military is NECESSARY and WELCOME right now.



Thanks for posting that. I've been amazed by the folks who were complaining about the military not being fast enough to respond now complaining about the military presence. Seems our men and women in uniform are can't win no matter what they do, so your post shows that they are appreciated by the people who they are helping.

[WDWBetsy]

Have to jump in on this one...New Orleans is somewhat "occupied" right now, and yes I know, because yes I have been there to check on my flooded home and I say THANK GOD FOR THE MILITARY PRESENCE!!!

Anyone who does not live in our fair city has no idea...well, actually, you all do now...of the "element" we have been dealing with for years. I am telling you that if the military were not there, we would still be in chaos.

I personally felt very secure when armed men knocked on my door while I was cleaning to let me know (politely) that they were there patrolling and keeping me and my property safe.

When you sit in a hotel room PRAYING that your house is flooded because otherwise, looters are likely sitting in it doing God knows what...you are thrilled when armed men and women show up to "occupy" your city.

Our city was in controlled chaos before, now, as you all know, all hell has broken loose and believe me, the military is NECESSARY and WELCOME right now.

By the way, Ducklite...love your new logo...bent but not broken.


I agree with you. I would want protection, too. You deserve that.

I'm glad you are okay. Wishing you major pixie dust in the coming months. :wizard:

[What the Heck]

I don't agree with the right-wing attacks against someone who's is so openly grieving. Talk about kicking you when you're down. All I'm saying is that people shouldn't attack someone and question their grieving as being political. How about some compassion and understanding?Did you see her on Bill Mahr? She wasn't doing any grieving then, and she let out her plans. She doesn't want to give up the spotlight. According to her, even if the President did everything she asked for she "wasn't going to go away".

She has set herself up as a political advocate. This isn't bad or good, but it does have consequences. To say that everyone should treat her as "hands off" just because her son died is wrong, in my opinion. She presents herself as an advocate for all who have died in the military, all who have served, and all who are relatives to them. I, for one, will not remain silent when someone attempts to speak for me by putting words in my mouth. I may only speak here, but I will speak out. I don't question her qrieving as being political, but her political activism is.

[ducklite]

By the way, Ducklite...love your new logo...bent but not broken.

Thanks. It was designed by a guy who is very supportive of the NOLA arts scene, he put it on a t-shirt that people can buy. All the proceeds from the sale will go to the NO Musicians Clinic. He even got Hanes to donate 5000 shirts, and other suppliers to donate the ink (he owns a graphics place and screenprinting company). Anyone who is interested can click on teh logo and it will take them to a page where they can find out more and order one.

Anne

[dcentity2000]

Elizabeth Kubler-Ross identified five key stages of grief that a terminal patient will go through; these stages are often extended to other scenarios such as this one. They are:
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
Dr. Roberta Temes cited three, more general stages, them being:
Numbness
Disorganization
Reorganization
The complete cycle takes a matter of years; two years is a commonly quoted figure. The length and split of the cycle will depend on the individual.

Cindy Sheehan is currently going through a period of grieving; I'd probably place her in the Anger slash Bargaining, disorganised stage. Her cognitive distortions are being magnified by the media and this in turn is magnifying her distortions. With such a strong anti-war sentiment planet-wide, it is easy to see how she can retain the attention she has so far warranted.

Who knows? Maybe she's on to something. History, I suppose, will be the best judge.



Rich::

[3for Me]

Anne,

Great link for the tee shirts- we'll be sure to order...the link mentions RockNBowl, any info. on how they did. My husband is a Jesuit alum...right down Carrollton... and I know they are done for the year...I have had many good times at RockN Bowl...

[chobie]

Elizabeth Kubler-Ross identified five key stages of grief that a terminal patient will go through; these stages are often extended to other scenarios such as this one. They are:
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
Dr. Roberta Temes cited three, more general stages, them being:
Numbness
Disorganization
Reorganization
The complete cycle takes a matter of years; two years is a commonly quoted figure. The length and split of the cycle will depend on the individual.

Cindy Sheehan is currently going through a period of grieving; I'd probably place her in the Anger slash Bargaining, disorganised stage. Her cognitive distortions are being magnified by the media and this in turn is magnifying her distortions. With such a strong anti-war sentiment planet-wide, it is easy to see how she can retain the attention she has so far warranted.

Who knows? Maybe she's on to something. History, I suppose, will be the best judge.



Rich::

Hopefully all the people who say that they would not grieve like Cindy is, will never have to grieve for a child's life.

[va32h]

The only thing I see in plain view is the utter contempt for a woman and anyone else who doesn't believe in the actions of Bush and his administration.

I don't think this is a fair assessment. I detest Bush. I think he is an absolute idiot; I campaigned heavily against him, both times, and was utterly distraught when I realized that our country would spend another 4 years piloted by an overgrown frat-boy.

And yet, I still find Sheehan's rhetoric and grandstanding distasteful.

It's not an either/or situation. I have "utter contempt" for both of them.

[crazyforgoofy]

WHAT? Contempt and hatred for the U.S. military? That is outrageous. You're saying that she is committing slander? Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation? Really?

Just because someone doesn't believe in our government sending our troops to fight a war based on lies doesn't mean that we hate the troops. That's just wrong.

The only thing I see in plain view is the utter contempt for a woman and anyone else who doesn't believe in the actions of Bush and his administration.

If I could I'd give you this in person :love2: Thanks for posting this and for the recent posts you've made. I really appreciate it.

[Puffy2]

Originally Posted by WDWBetsy
WHAT? Contempt and hatred for the U.S. military? That is outrageous. You're saying that she is committing slander? Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation? Really?

Just because someone doesn't believe in our government sending our troops to fight a war based on lies doesn't mean that we hate the troops. That's just wrong.

The only thing I see in plain view is the utter contempt for a woman and anyone else who doesn't believe in the actions of Bush and his administration.

Ditto.

[WDWBetsy]

If I could I'd give you this in person :love2: Thanks for posting this and for the recent posts you've made. I really appreciate it.

Aw, thanks. :hug:

I guess I just believe that even though someone doesn't say the most politically correct things - and I don't agree with everything Sheehan said - that they can still have good intentions. She doesn't want any other parent to lose their child to a war based on misinformation and lies. As an aunt of 5 nephews and 2 nieces who will be draft-age in a few years (one already is), I don't want to see any of them put in harm's way because someone miscalculates our way into a war.

I would much rather spend our tax dollars fortifying our own borders - guarding the chemical plants, nuclear power facilities, and other at-risk sites. For goodness sakes - we've had a VX nerve agent here in Indiana since 1969 that endangers our whole state. They are currently (and finally) working to neutralize it (250,000 gallons), but it would definitely be a target - and they're still arguing about how to dispose of the wastewater. For those who don't know what VX does: as little as a pinhead inhaled or touching skin can kill a person in minutes. The chemical weapon never was used, and the nation's entire VX stockpile is housed at the Indiana depot. I don't know about you, but that scares the crap out of me! :eek:

Believe me - I honor those troops who are stationed throughout the world. I just want to make sure they are put in jeopardy only when necessary - and I want to make sure that they have the full VA benefits that they deserve. :grouphug:

[halestrm]

Even though Algiers came through Katrina relatively unscathed, our federal government tried to force (mostly successfully) the people out of the community. Malik Rahim, a new friend of ours and resident of Algiers, told us stories of the days after the hurricane. The government declared martial law, but there was no effective police presence to enforce it. Malik said the lawlessness was rampant. People were running out of food and water and they were being forced to go to the Superdome. They didn't want to go to the Superdome, because their homes were pretty intact: they wanted to stay and have food and water brought to them. A town of 76,000 people dwindled down to 3,000. The die hards were rewarded last Wednesday when the VFP rolled into town with food and water. The Camp Casey III people were the first ones to bring any relief to Algiers. The people who were supposed to look after its citizens, our government, failed them.

Here is part of what you didn't post. WHY should they have the right to have someone bring food and water too them. They don't want to be taken care of, great, take care of yourselves. Do not take the effort away from the masses.

Better yet..
If I had a store with an inventory of insured belongings, and a tragedy happened, I would fling my doors open and tell everyone to take what they need: it is only stuff.

So, if insurance will cover my lose, hey, you're welcome to it.

I do not like war, so don't even start with the those comments. I wrote to Bush and others telling them to not worry about my constitution, and amending it, so that is down the drain also.

I am tired of the liberal crud that says let someone else pay for it. I am also down right angry at Bush for saying we will fix the Gulf so it is better than before. Ya know what? He better do the same darn thing for the people killed and devestated by tornados in the heart of this country. Wait, he doesn't need too, they do it for themselves.