Am I hearing wrong

[What the Heck]

or is the guy on MSNBC from Newsweek a moron? Because the President said we hadn't faced a hurricane like this "it begs the question" of why we weren't ready? Did this guy come off as just wanting to bash the President without cause?

[bsnyder]

Did this guy come off as just wanting to bash the President without cause?

Nah, that would NEVER happen. :rolleyes:

[mysticq]

Authority without wisdom is like a heavy axe without an edge, fitter to bruise than polish. ~Anne Bradstreet

A good leader is a person who takes a little more than his share of the blame and a little less than his share of the credit. ~John C. Maxwell

[Charade]

Authority without wisdom is like a heavy axe without an edge, fitter to bruise than polish. ~Anne Bradstreet

A good leader is a person who takes a little more than his share of the blame and a little less than his share of the credit. ~John C. Maxwell

Interesting...

First post and it's here. Hmm...

[luvthatduke]

Charade, you are observant and wise... Hmmm.....

Regarding the OP, I noticed the same thing on ABC
immediately following the address.
Can't remember who the reporter was but he was asking the
evacuees gathered in the parking lot of the Astrodome
how they felt, and maybe I'm cynical (gee!) but it sure
sounded like he was "fishing" after the 2nd person said
they appreciated what the President said & they weren't angry.
DH & I turned off the TV so I don't know what they
talked about after that.

[Miss Jasmine]

MSNBC had the WORST post-speech coverage. :crazy2: Rita Crosby was interviewing some emergency workers in New Orleans and they were all worked up because the President said most power was turned back on and that wasn't the case in New Orleans, most power was coming from generators. Uhhh the President said that about the power with regard to MISSISSIPPI. Quote from speech: In nearly all of Mississippi, electric power has been restored. She didn't even correct them. :rolleyes:

[Charade]

MSNBC had the WORST post-speech coverage. :crazy2: Rita Crosby She didn't even correct them. :rolleyes:

Guess she left FOX because she couldn't handle the "we report, you decide" or "fair and balanced" approach anymore. :rolleyes:

[wvrevy]

Guess she left FOX because she couldn't handle the "we report, you decide" or "fair and balanced" approach anymore. :rolleyes:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
:rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

She wasn't telling those first responders what to say. Just reporting what they were saying. And they, just like most people with any sense, are taking a "we'll believe it when we see it" approach to all of Bush's proposals. I mean, who believes anything that any politician says, 100%, other than the kool aid drinkers, I mean ?

You guys are always so quick to defend Bush, sometimes you miss the fact that at least some of the criticism is 100% warranted.

[Miss Jasmine]

wrevy, in this particular case one of the guys she was interviewing (along with nodding of several others there) said they were not happy that the President made such a comment when the power there was being supplied by generators. The President did not include NO in his comments with regard to power being restored. They were wrong and she could have easily said something about it just regarding Mississippi.

She wanted negative comments.

Oh and Charade, FOX NEWS didn't renew her contract. ;)

[wvrevy]

Gee...She's a critical reporter (which means she's doing her actual job) instead of parroting the government press releases. I wonder why Faux wouldn't renew her contract ? :rolleyes:

I watched the interviews you're talking about, Miss Jasmine. She asked what they thought about the speech, and they told her. She noticed that one of them chuckled when the president mentioned the power being back on, so she asked him about it. It was hardly the big deal you are making it out to be.

[bsnyder]

She noticed that one of them chuckled when the president mentioned the power being back on, so she asked him about it. It was hardly the big deal you are making it out to be.

I agree, not a huge deal, but why wouldn't she correct the record?

[wvrevy]

I agree, not a huge deal, but why wouldn't she correct the record?
No idea, Bet. Maybe she figured that people watching could remember five minutes before when the president had said Mississippi ? Or maybe she heard Chris Matthews say the exact same thing ? You'd have to ask her. :confused3

[peachgirl]

No idea, Bet. Maybe she figured that people watching could remember five minutes before when the president had said Mississippi ? Or maybe she heard Chris Matthews say the exact same thing ? You'd have to ask her. :confused3

How about if we discuss unimportant details from what is nothing more than a news based entertainment program we don't have to talk about the fact that the President failed miserably in his response to this disaster and is now throwing money at it to make it go away and get his numbers up.

The President did not include NO in his comments with regard to power being restored.

Maybe there were unhappy with the fact that the lights did come on in parts of New Orleans last night, they mysteriously went out after the President left the area.

I am duty-bound to report the talk of the New Orleans warehouse district last night: there was rejoicing (well, there would have been without the curfew, but the few people I saw on the streets were excited) when the power came back on for blocks on end.

Kevin Tibbles was positively jubilant on the live update edition of Nightly News that we fed to the West Coast. The mini-mart, long ago cleaned out by looters, was nonetheless bathed in light, including the empty, roped-off gas pumps.

The motorcade route through the district was partially lit no more than 30 minutes before POTUS drove through. And yet last night, no more than an hour after the President departed, the lights went out. The entire area was plunged into total darkness again, to audible groans. It's enough to make some of the folks here who witnessed it... jump to certain conclusions.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8045532/

[wvrevy]

How about if we discuss unimportant details from what is nothing more than a news based entertainment program we don't have to talk about the fact that the President failed miserably in his response to this disaster and is now throwing money at it to make it go away and get his numbers up.
Oh, now Peachy...You're just being cynical. ;)

You're right...Shoulda just used this guy again:
http://www.eclecticala.com/figurals/strawman.jpg
But when you don't have an argument, sometimes a strawman is all you can come up with. :teeth:

[Miss Jasmine]

You two need to chill out. I agree it wasn't a big deal, I thought it rather interesting is all. I wasn't trying to win or even take part in an argument.

[peachgirl]

You two need to chill out. I agree it wasn't a big deal, I thought it rather interesting is all. I wasn't trying to win or even take part in an argument.

Perhaps you should take your own advice. I don't see anyone here doing anything but posting opinions. No need to get all upset about it just because you disagree.

[DisDuck]

I didn't watch the speech at all. Just thought it was 'odd' to bring in power generators just for the speech to light up the church and the square then turn it all off afterward. Isn't there a famous quote about 'A Picture is Worth A thousand Words'. If someone didn't know about the generators would not one leave the broadcast with the impression that power had been restored to at least one section of New Orleans?? I think that a speech before a joint session of congress would have been much more effective in showing that the entire country will participate. Instead a 'lone' speech leaves me with the impression that Bush will take sole credit for the reconstruction.

[ThAnswr]

I didn't watch the speech at all. Just thought it was 'odd' to bring in power generators just for the speech to light up the church and the square then turn it all off afterward. Isn't there a famous quote about 'A Picture is Worth A thousand Words'. If someone didn't know about the generators would not one leave the broadcast with the impression that power had been restored to at least one section of New Orleans?? I think that a speech before a joint session of congress would have been much more effective in showing that the entire country will participate. Instead a 'lone' speech leaves me with the impression that Bush will take sole credit for the reconstruction.

You have to give Bush credit for consistency. He was a phony fighter pilot on the aircraft carrier, he was carrying a phony turkey in Iraq, and it was "phony" electrical power in Jackson Square.

[luvthatduke]

I've got a question, and I admit my ignorance:

What is a strawman? What does he/it mean?

[ThAnswr]

I've got a question, and I admit my ignorance:

What is a strawman? What does he/it mean?

It's short for strawman argument. Here's some info:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman_argument

[bsnyder]

It's short for strawman argument. Here's some info:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman_argument

And here I thought it was just something you and BuckNaked liked to smoke! :)

[luvthatduke]

Just now getting a chance to read the links.
Thanks, ThAnswr.
I especially like the Jack & Jill example.
I believe in my marriage I've been guilty of
using the "strawman" argument once or twice ;) .
But, Shhhh - don't tell DH!

[MrGrumpy222]

:rolleyes1 Why were 1000 buses left to sink instead of being used to evacuate the poor people of N.O? This foul mouth mayor had plenty of time to evac. those city residents that had no means to leave. Where did the millions of FEMA dollars go that were given to the city of N.O. in the prior years. It is true that the FEDS screwed to pooch on this but it seems that those on the FARRRRR left can't even admit that the Democratic Mayor and the Democratic Gov. of La. have a share of the blame. I am an Independent and the obvious attempt of the crazy left and the crazy right to politicize this is sickening. MSNBC and CNN are no different than any other entertainment network. True FOX is slanted to the right but the others are soooo far left it is refreshing. Now I'm not going to regurgitate some obscure quote of some dead poet or self-indulging author. This is just the humble opinion of a 70-hour a week working guy. Thank god for Sean Penn and Celine Dion for making me understand the horrors the People of La., Ala. and Miss. must have gone through. What was that windbag Larry King thinking when he asked her for her opinion anyway? She has no clue as to what Emergency Management is or what is to carry injured or the dead from a disaster. I worked ground zero on 9/11 and I'd appreciate it if the Hollywood Elite and the Limousine Liberals would keep their million dollar mouths shut. They are entitled to their opinion as anyone else is; I just don't care to hear it. I don't agree with Bush on everything, or many things for that matter, but give the guy a break. He gives money he is just acting like a politician, he doesn't he is a jerk. You guys on the left like to have your cake and eat it too. I give it 18 months and the mayor of N.O. is indicted for bilking FEMA funds. Roll up your sleeves and pitch in. If you're not a part of the solution you're a part of the problem!

[ThAnswr]

Just now getting a chance to read the links.
Thanks, ThAnswr.
I especially like the Jack & Jill example.
I believe in my marriage I've been guilty of
using the "strawman" argument once or twice ;) .
But, Shhhh - don't tell DH!

I won't tell if you won't. ;)

[mickeyfan2]

I didn't watch the speech at all. Just thought it was 'odd' to bring in power generators just for the speech to light up the church and the square then turn it all off afterward. Isn't there a famous quote about 'A Picture is Worth A thousand Words'. If someone didn't know about the generators would not one leave the broadcast with the impression that power had been restored to at least one section of New Orleans?? I think that a speech before a joint session of congress would have been much more effective in showing that the entire country will participate. Instead a 'lone' speech leaves me with the impression that Bush will take sole credit for the reconstruction.

Actually I did watch the speech and nobody had to tell me that the NOLA power was still off. It was obvious. Only the building and Bush were lit up. Behind was as black as night. Before he spoke my first thought was, they did a nice job with tempory lighting.