Cnn just said people to be forcibly removed

[WebmasterAlex]

They just reported the Mayor ordered the police and national guard to use force if neccesary to get people to leave....

[BuckNaked]

I think there are going to be some ugly scenes. :(

[Charade]

No doubt.

[BibbidiBobbidiBOO]

I actually heard the Mayor deny this on something I saw this afternoon. ??

[WebmasterAlex]

I'm looking for online corraboration now. It was a statement by the anchor on CNN right now. It would not be the first time CNN got something "not exactly right" so I want to see more before I get too excited

[BibbidiBobbidiBOO]

and I actually am thinking that he may have said he would not withhold food/water from them. ?? My brain is overwhelmed! Let me know what you learn!

[goin2disneyagain]

Fox is not reporting this. They said the mayor has ordered people to leave due to the toxic water but they didn't say they were being "forced" out. Some of the residents that were allowed back in are saying they are not leaving. A few businesses even reopened.

[WebmasterKathy]

It's just showing as "breaking news" on the CNN website now, no details yet.

[WebmasterAlex]

Larry King is repeating it

[shelby_36]

There is also a side story on 4 people that died due to the dirty water. I guess the health risks are so overwhelming and there are so many people refusing to leave they feel they have to use force.???

[happybratpack]

So does this mean the people that are holding out because they won't leave their pets will be assisted in getting them out? Or are they to be "forcibly removed" and the pets left?

[WebmasterKathy]

From cnn.com:

New Orleans' mayor issued an order Tuesday night authorizing the forced removal of people refusing to leave the flood-ravaged city.

Mayor Ray Nagin instructed all public safety officers "to compel the evacuation of all persons ... regardless of whether such persons are on private property or do not desire to leave," according to a written statement from his office.

[WebmasterAlex]

whether or not the pets can come with will be up to who ever is doing the rescuing I would imagine

[MoniqueU]

Can't wait to see the video of this. :earseek: Yes I am being sarcastic.

[Planogirl]

I'm totally against this. Not that it matters what I think of course but this is wrong.

[goin2disneyagain]

I'm totally against this. Not that it matters what I think of course but this is wrong.

I agree, it is just wrong. I would strongly suggest they allow people to bring their pets or deal with the fallout. Considering the outrage people have about the pets as it is it will be to their benefit. People won't put up as much of a fight if they let them bring their pets.

[goin2disneyagain]

A Captain of the Police Department was just interviewed on Fox and he said they are NOT forcing people to leave their homes. :confused3

[WaltD4Me]

Yesterday, I saw and heard Mayor Nagin himself say that if people who keep refusing to leave they WILL stop bringing them water. :guilty:

Some of the people that they showed yesterday that refused to leave, said they wanted to protect their homes. One man was yelling at them to get the pumps going because he wasn't leaving his stuff to the looters. I just don't know what you do with someone like that. -- Now that the city is a little drained, isn't there somewhere on higher ground that they could evacuate some of these people to so they can stay in the city? There seemed to be some people in the French Quarter who were doing "okay." And I saw they got the lights on in one of the downtown hotels. Not ideal, but maybe they can work out some kind of compromise.

[goin2disneyagain]

I did hear Mayor Nagin say yesterday that if people who keep refusing to leave they WILL stop bringing them water.
I think I read somewhere that he backed off on that today.

[HaleyB]

Those people need to be saved from themselves. That is part of what Governments do and is their proper place. I am all for getting the pets out with them, but these people need help even if we have to force it on them. They can not be thinking clearly. Not a popular idea, or way of looking at it, maybe.

[i like stitch]

I've highlighted pertinent part below in red:

http://www.nola.com/cityofno/

Tuesday, September 06, 2005

Mayor orders forced removal of all in city
(New Orleans, LA, Sept. 6, 2005) Mayor Nagin today released a declaration of Emergency Order for the City of New Orleans. The declaration reads as follows:

Whereas, the presence of individuals not specifically engaged by the City, State or U.S. Government to assist in the remediation and recovery effort would distract, impede, or divert essential resources from the recover effort.

Now, therefore, I as the Mayor of the City of New Orleans, pursuant to the authority granted by Louisiana Revised Statutes 29:727 and: 730.2, do hereby promulgate and issue the following mandatory evacuation order, which shall supercede the Order issued by me on August 28, 2005, which shall remain in effect for thirty days from this date, unless extended by my order or earlier terminated by my order:

Civil District Court District Court for the Parish of Orleans, State of Louisiana City of New Orleans

Promulgation of Emergency Order

Whereas, Hurricane Katrina has caused catastrophic damage to the City of New Orleans, including, without limitation, several breaches in the levee system, loss of power and water service and the collapse and or loss of structural integrity of roadways, building and other structures;

Whereas, the above referenced damage necessitates an immediate and unimpeded recovery effort by the City, the State of Louisiana and the Untied States Government;

Effective immediately, any public safety officer within the boundaries of the Parish of Orleans, including, without limitation, members of the New Orleans, including, without limitation, members of the New Orleans Police Department, the New Orleans Fire Department, the National Guard and any branch of the U.S. Military, is hereby instructed and authorized to compel the evacuation of all persons from the City of New Orleans, regardless of whether such persons are on private property or do not desire to leave unless such persons are determined by such public safety officers to be specifically engaged by the City, the State or the U. S. Government in providing assistance in the remediation and recovery effort.

Those persons who are currently located in Algiers on the West Bank side of Orleans Parish are hereby excepted from this Order.

The City Attorney is hereby directed to file this Order with the Clerk of Court.

Mayor C. Ray Nagin

[Bunch24]

All the people complaining about forcing the people to leave their homes will be the same ones complaining when they all start dying off in a couple of weeks.

It's just not safe for anyone but emergency officials to be in New Orleans right now. How hard is that to comprehend?

I understand not wanting to leave your house to looters and not wanting to leave your pets behind, but there comes a time when you have to think about YOUR well-being.

Pets can be replaced, material items can be replaced. Loved ones can not be replaced.

I hope everyone heeds the Mayor's instructions and get out of the city and allow the city to be secured.

[Mrs. Squirrel]

Tuesday, September 06, 2005

Now, therefore, I as the Mayor of the City of New Orleans, pursuant to the authority granted by Louisiana Revised Statutes 29:727 and: 730.2, do hereby promulgate and issue the following mandatory evacuation order, which shall supercede the Order issued by me on August 28, 2005, which shall remain in effect for thirty days from this date, unless extended by my order or earlier terminated by my order:

IMO, it should have been done prior to Katrina's landfall. Better late than never I guess!

[goin2disneyagain]

All the people complaining about forcing the people to leave their homes will be the same ones complaining when they all start dying off in a couple of weeks.

It's just not safe for anyone but emergency officials to be in New Orleans right now. How hard is that to comprehend?

I understand not wanting to leave your house to looters and not wanting to leave your pets behind, but there comes a time when you have to think about YOUR well-being.

Pets can be replaced, material items can be replaced. Loved ones can not be replaced.

I hope everyone heeds the Mayor's instructions and get out of the city and allow the city to be secured.
Excuse me but pets are living beings too and no they can NOT be replaced. They can be rescued with their owners. There is absolutely no reason to make these people suffer more by forcing them to leave the only thing they have left, their pets.

Obviously you don't like pets but a lot of people do and if that is all those people have left how can anyone ask them to abandon their pets. Have a heart!! :rolleyes:

[WebmasterAlex]

I personally don't see the national guard ripping someone's pet poodle out of their arms and throwing them in the water. If someone has a pet I'm willing to be they make some attempt to cooperate. On the other hand if someone has 15 dogs, a snake and pet llama that's a problem. It will probably be on a case by case basis

[goin2disneyagain]

I personally don't see the national guard ripping someone's pet poodle out of their arms and throwing them in the water. If someone has a pet I'm willing to be they make some attempt to cooperate. On the other hand if someone has 15 dogs, a snake and pet llama that's a problem. It will probably be on a case by case basis
I agree. I really don't think they will force people at this point to leave their pets behind. They know at this point that's mostly what is left, people that won't leave without their pets. Of course there are a few others too. With all the media attention over the last couple of days about the pets too, I can't see them forcing people to leave without their pets.

[Bunch24]

Excuse me but pets are living beings too and no they can NOT be replaced. They can be rescued with their owners. There is absolutely no reason to make these people suffer more by forcing them to leave the only thing they have left, their pets.

Obviously you don't like pets but a lot of people do and if that is all those people have left how can anyone ask them to abandon their pets. Have a heart!! :rolleyes:

Once again, the DIS runs wild with assumptions. What do you know about me? Have you ever met me? Have you ever shaken my hand or ate at my house? If not, quit assuming...

I absolutely love pets. In fact, one of the HARDEST things I've ever had to do was give my dalmation Lucy up to another family because I was relocated to an apartment that didn't accept pets. I have never cried harder in my life than that day when I watched her leave in another person's truck.

I love pets, but human life, to me, is a lot more important. I know there are people that would shoot a human before they'd shoot a dog attacking a human, but I believe those people have mental problems.

I'm not saying for people to just leave their pets to perish, but if a coast guard comes to my house and says "Either you can come with me or you can stay here to die with your dog..." I'm going with the coast guard. Because the next week (or whenever I get my house back), I can go out and purchase or adopt another pet and show it the same amount of love I showed the other one. Last I checked, you couldn't go to Humans 'R Us and pick up another grandfather or grandmother or brother or sister.

The people that picks pets over human life, well, that just bothers me. Would you feel the same way if the pet was a snake? Or a spider? Or a pet wolverine? Or an alligator? I seriously doubt you would.

P.S. Expect to be warned about personal attacks. I was warned when I called someone ignorant, you should be warned likewise for telling me to have a heart and calling me a pet hater. :earseek:

[ducklite]

I absolutely love pets. In fact, one of the HARDEST things I've ever had to do was give my dalmation Lucy up to another family because I was relocated to an apartment that didn't accept pets. I have never cried harder in my life than that day when I watched her leave in another person's truck.

Anyone who loves their pet as unconditionally as a pet loves in return wouldn't rent an apartment that wouldn't accept their pet to begin with. "Crying hard" is lip service, nothing more, nothing less.

You've done nothing but try to defend your position that about how pets don't matter, leave them behind, yadda yadda. This statement reveals your true colors.

Not an attack, just the truth, like it or not.

As I've pointed out to you and a few others several times over the past 24 hours, there are now shelters that are taking pets and humans together, and pets are being evacuated with their humans. So your entire post is moot anyhow.

Anne

[ducklite]

I'm wondering if they are going to try to remove people from homes that weren't damaged, didn't have flooding, have plenty of food and water and are in good health, and have cars that also weren't damaged that they can drive out if for some reason they need to. This would seem kind of stupid, these people aren't costing the city anything, and their presence in the neighborhood could keep looting down.

As I've said before, my friends dad is in this situation, and there are about 30 homes in the immediate area of his where the homeowners also are in the same situation. They haven't had a looting problem--probably because they are all present, and life has gone on pretty normally for them--as much so as might be possible with no utlities. It would seem foolish to remove them, have to shelter them, when they are in effect actually benefitting the city by staying put. They've been cutting up the trees that fell and blocks their roads, and generally helping out without being in the way.

Anne

[BibbidiBobbidiBOO]

I think I read somewhere that he backed off on that today.

He is flip-flopping...

[BibbidiBobbidiBOO]

Fox is saying he ok'ed forced evacuations, but they have not started yet. Not sure when it will begin...

ETA-The military will not be forcing the evacuations though. They are there for humanitarian aid.

[happybratpack]

Anyone who loves their pet as unconditionally as a pet loves in return wouldn't rent an apartment that wouldn't accept their pet to begin with. "Crying hard" is lip service, nothing more, nothing less.



Thank you for posting this, that comment bothered me all evening. :dog:

[Planogirl]

Some areas even have power now! Why would they force people out of dry areas where they have power and food and so on? It's craziness.

If it were me, I'd just hide and be quiet. Unless they plan to break into every home, I don't see how they can force everyone out.

[Shagley]

Pets can be replaced, material items can be replaced. Loved ones can not be replaced.

I know a lot of people don't understand this, but my pets are part of my family, not just a material item. I wouldn't leave either if they would not let me take my pets. I can't imagine living with the guilt of knowing that I just left my pets to die. LSU has a place for people to keep their pets while they are in shelters. They need to offer a way to let people take their pets with them, otherwise they are going to have one heck of a fight (I know they would with me).

[Pete's Mom]

Look I love my cat too, but not enough to risk my life or my son's life. That doesn't mean I am cold hearted *****. :confused3

[beattyfamily]

They are talking about the flooded areas which are now more dangerous then ever; at least 4 people have died because of the flooded water's contamination.

I think they should do this and I think they have to. I just pray it goes smoothly and that they allow them to bring their pets. :sad1:

[JimMIA]

I know a lot of people don't understand this, but my pets are part of my family, not just a material item. I wouldn't leave either if they would not let me take my pets. I can't imagine living with the guilt of knowing that I just left my pets to die. LSU has a place for people to keep their pets while they are in shelters. They need to offer a way to let people take their pets with them, otherwise they are going to have one heck of a fight (I know they would with me).
The decision of whether or not the pets go will most likely be up to the resident.

The people are going. There are plenty of pet-friendly shelters, if not in the immediate region, we have several in the Florida panhandle. If the resident evacuates cooperatively, they take their pet. If they physically resist or try to flee the officers, they will go and the pet will stay and die.

Even if the mayor told the police officers to leave the pets, they'd take them anyway and tell the mayor, "They're here, bro -- want me to take 'em back???" In emergencies, cops worry a lot less about following orders to the letter, and a lot more about doing the right thing. That's why we can give them guns and still sleep at night.

A difficult problem would be a little old lady with a houseful of cats. Most cops I know are not great cat-herders. But they'd try.

[ducklite]

A difficult problem would be a little old lady with a houseful of cats. Most cops I know are not great cat-herders. But they'd try.

Animal hoarders are always a problem, in that not only do you have a houseful of animals that in many cases are sick and not well cared for, but also a mentally ill person to remove. It's an isue that many governments need to better address BEFORE a crisis.

And most animal rescuers I know also aren't very happy about cat herding--scared cats are downright nasty, and dangerous to untrained, unequipped individuals.

Anne

[Disney-Kim]

I read on MSNBC that the military thinks its a bad idea and that they are not under the command of the Mayor and they will only do it when told by the government.
I think its a terrible idea. There are going to be knock down drag out fights.

One guy had food, water, a generator too. why can't he stay?

I think this will be a nightmare for some. they don't want to leave.

and....will they be forced to leave pets? that is the reason so many have stayed in the first place.

I don't think I like the Mayor of NO.

[Goofyzgurl]

I don't know about removing people for their own good. I'm just wondering if the person is fighting off the rescuers or if the rescuee is fighting it all the way, wouldn't the boat tip over and they all get in that nasty water. So now everyone in the boat gets sick because one person didn't want to leave their home? I think I'd go ahead and let them stay for others' safety.

[Planogirl]

Some people are going to fight and some are going to hide. This is pointless.

[ducklite]

The people who are living in homes which are or were contaminated with flood waters need to be removed. Very simply put, no one who is sane would stay under those conditions.

Those who are in areas which for all practical purposes were not affected other than loss of utilities, which are starting to come back online slowly I might add, there is no reasonable reason to remove those people.

Anne

[BuckNaked]

I agree Planogirl, it's going to be a mess. I say ask them one more time, and if they don't want to go, leave them there.

[blowinbubbles]

I'm sorry, but the idea of forced evacuations makes me ill, especially for those who are prepared. It is so unconstitutional, IMO. And what are they going to do to those who resist? Put a bullet through their head? The way things are going, i wouldn't doubt it.

[minnie61650]

I'm sorry, but the idea of forced evacuations makes me ill, especially for those who are prepared. It is so unconstitutional, IMO. And what are they going to do to those who resist? Put a bullet through their head? The way things are going, i wouldn't doubt it.

Unfortunately in this case if the home has been flooded it has become contaminated. These flood waters carry very deadly disease. Not like pipe breaking in your basement or rainwater flood.The residents have to vacate the home so it can either be destroyed or decontaminated. We are talking about contamination that can be very deadly. It has to be taken care of so the city can be cleaned up. Then and only then can the rebuilding start. It is very sad indeed and I too
feel their pain.
Linda ::MinnieMo

[JimMIA]

Animal hoarders are always a problem, in that not only do you have a houseful of animals that in many cases are sick and not well cared for, but also a mentally ill person to remove. It's an isue that many governments need to better address BEFORE a crisis.

And most animal rescuers I know also aren't very happy about cat herding--scared cats are downright nasty, and dangerous to untrained, unequipped individuals.

Anne
Mentally ill people are no problem; officers are accustomed to dealing with them. They deal with them every day. Takes some time occasionally, but it's manageable.

Cats are another matter. Not that I don''t like cats, I do -- I'd just hate to try to evacuate one, much less a dozen!

[Bunch24]

Look I love my cat too, but not enough to risk my life or my son's life. That doesn't mean I am cold hearted *****. :confused3

Thank you!!!!!

It troubles me that people just can't understand this notion.

By the way, would you consider it lip service to donate three 40-pound bags of dog food to Blackham Coliseum (where they're housing the pets of Cajundome evacuees)?

Sometimes (as I think Kanye West found out), insulting the people that are actually out there donating is not the best way to help the cause you support.

[goin2disneyagain]

Anyone who loves their pet as unconditionally as a pet loves in return wouldn't rent an apartment that wouldn't accept their pet to begin with. "Crying hard" is lip service, nothing more, nothing less.

You've done nothing but try to defend your position that about how pets don't matter, leave them behind, yadda yadda. This statement reveals your true colors.

Not an attack, just the truth, like it or not.

Thank you for posting this.

As far as the pet shelters, a representative from Florida (sorry I don't remember his name) was just saying how people leaving pets is a problem during hurricanes and now his state has started setting up shelters that accept pets for this very reason. JimMIA was pointing that out as well.

Has anyone heard if they have actually forced anyone to leave yet? I know the military said they will not force people to leave and they will still bring them food and water.

[MoniqueU]

Now the governor is saying that she will not enforce the mayors use of force to remove people from homes. I guess they are not on the same page. She wants to test the water before she makes up her mind.

[goin2disneyagain]

Now the governor is saying that she will not enforce the mayors use of force to remove people from homes. I guess they are not on the same page. She wants to test the water before she makes up her mind.
I heard that too. They definately are not on the same page.

[Bunch24]

I heard that too. They definately are not on the same page.

I'm starting to wonder if the mayor, governor and president are even reading the same book.

Communication has been horrible between the local, state and federal level.

[ducklite]

I'm starting to wonder if the mayor, governor and president are even reading the same book.

Communication has been horrible between the local, state and federal level.

Same book nothing. I think one is speaking Portuguese, one is speaking Korean, and one is speaking Hindi. :confused3

(And I chose those languages only because they are all VERY unique and different from each other, no offense was meant or should be taken by anyone!)

Anne

[palmtreegirl]

Now the governor is saying that she will not enforce the mayors use of force to remove people from homes. I guess they are not on the same page. She wants to test the water before she makes up her mind.

CNN already tested the water and the results were down right nasty. I *shudder* to even think about people walking through that stuff.

CNN gave three samples to Analytical and Environmental Testing Inc., in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, which found 20,000 fecal coliform colonies per 100 milliliters of water, the highest the lab could count. That's 100 times the normal count found in water runoff from storms, the company said.

[beattyfamily]

Well, that waters got to be pretty darn bad if they are reporting that at least 4 have already died because of the water. Also, someone who went into the water to rescue someone didn't have boots high enough to cover his leg and got a big nasty something on his leg! :crazy2:

IMHO, the water doesn't need testing to know how dangerous it it.

[palmtreegirl]

Also, someone who went into the water to rescue someone didn't have boots high enough to cover his leg and got a big nasty something on his leg! :crazy2:

I heard about that, another rescuer suffered chemical burns on his legs also.

[beattyfamily]

I heard about that, another rescuer suffered chemical burns on his legs also.

I know and to think that survivors were walking in that and just a few days ago helicopters were throwing bottles of water into that disgusting water for the survivors. YUCK. It's so sad.

[goin2disneyagain]

I know and to think that survivors were walking in that and just a few days ago helicopters were throwing bottles of water into that disgusting water for the survivors. YUCK. It's so sad.
I kept thinking I would not want to drink out of a bottle that had been in that nasty water. GROSS!!

[LandscapePro_318]

Blanco is setting the stage for the Ultimate political ****storm. (Clearly in my opinion by her handlers)

Naygan has ordered force to be used to remove holdouts from the toxic flood waters. The Police work for HIM.

Governor Blanco has said she will NOT order the National Guard to force holdouts removal. The National Guard works for HER.

She is setting the stage to force President Bush to use the Active Duty Military (they work for HIM) on the ground to remove by force the holdouts.

I fear this is going to get REAL ugly….REAL fast and it’s being done by design.

Mike---Ashamed to admit at present, Louisiana Resident

Links:
http://www.northcom.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=news.factsheets&factsheet=5

http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/Articles/brinkerhoffpossecomitatus.htm

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:b8EKW1CuKYYJ:www.fas.org/sgp/crs/RS21024.pdf+United+States+%22Martial+Law%22&hl=en

[EsmeraldaX]

So does this mean the people that are holding out because they won't leave their pets will be assisted in getting them out? Or are they to be "forcibly removed" and the pets left?

I would not go. I would risk death and at the very least being arrested (interpret that as you may) before I'd leave my dogs.