The disaster and living in a shelter is "working out well for them."

[Sirius]

From Barbara Bush's radio comments earlier today:

"Almost everyone I’ve talked to says we're going to move to Houston. What I’m hearing is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001054719

[DawnCt1]

And your point??? Perhaps Mrs. Bush was taken out of context. Perhaps the evacuees that she spoke to indicated that they would like to move to Texas. So what!!!!

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I think it was an inappropriate way to say "blessing in disguise".

[doubletrouble_vb]

And perhaps she meant that things were working out very well for the people who may not have had very much before. So what? I'm sure there are some people that Katrina will wind up being something that gives them the leg up on life they never would have gotten otherwise.

[N.Bailey]

She's an old woman and we're going to pick her statement apart piece by piece? Let's not pull her into this. I'm sure she meant no offense to anyone.

[BuckNaked]

She's an old woman and we're going to pick her statement apart piece by piece? Let's not pull her into this. I'm sure she meant no offense to anyone.


It doesn't matter if she meant offense or not. Her last name is Bush, so whatever she says will torn apart in order find the most offensive meaning possible.

[jackskellingtonsgirl]

Perhaps she meant it like it came out. The conditions at the shelter might be better than the conditions they left behind. The food and clothing might be better than what they would have had at home. The money and assistance might be more than they would have received from welfare or a low paying job. I can see how it absolutely might be working well for some people. Maybe that's what she meant.

[Buckalew11]

I'm sure this is probably true in some cases. My sister is a school teacher in SC and there are many poor families where she is. One of her students who she kept in contact with ended up in jail and my sister visited him there. He told her it wasn't as bad as it seemed because he knew he was going to eat etc. and at home he just never knew. This was several years ago but I'll always remember him saying that.

[goin2disneyagain]

And your point??? Perhaps Mrs. Bush was taken out of context. Perhaps the evacuees that she spoke to indicated that they would like to move to Texas. So what!!!!
WOW!!! I think the OP was just trying to share some information they had found with us. Geez!! :rolleyes:

[BuckNaked]

WOW!!! I think the OP was just trying to share some information they had found with us. Geez!! :rolleyes:

No offense, but if you knew the history of this OP, you would know immediately what the point was.

[LoraJ]

I thinki what irks me most about it is how she seems to be chuckling at others misfortune. Pretty tacky.

[wvrevy]

It doesn't matter if she meant offense or not. Her last name is Bush, so whatever she says will torn apart in order find the most offensive meaning possible.
Really ? Remember a lot of vicious attacks on George I do ya' ? ;)

Her statement basically calls to mind a bunch of people sitting around saying, "Boy...Sure glad that hurricane came through and destroyed everything we've ever known ! And hey...we've got other cousins, right ? So what's three or four unaccounted for ?"

Bush, Clinton, Kennedy, Nixon...I don't care who said it, it would lack class, tact, and intelligence.

[crazyforgoofy]

Really ? Remember a lot of vicious attacks on George I do ya' ? ;)

Her statement basically calls to mind a bunch of people sitting around saying, "Boy...Sure glad that hurricane came through and destroyed everything we've ever known ! And hey...we've got other cousins, right ? So what's three or four unaccounted for ?"

Bush, Clinton, Kennedy, Nixon...I don't care who said it, it would lack class, tact, and intelligence.

It sounds a mite like her son sounded with his regal "we" the past few days. It's a little too much 'let them eat cake' for me.

[peachgirl]

No offense, but if you knew the history of this OP, you would know immediately what the point was.

And if she knew your history, she'd know what the point of your posts are as well. I can't name you 5 people on these boards who aren't firmly entrenched on one side or the other and whose posts don't continually reflect their positions...so what?

Perhaps Mrs. Bush was taken out of context.

You can only take something out of context when you don't include the entire relevant portions...which in this case were included.

And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."

If someone can give me any plausible explanation of this that isn't offensive, I'd love to know what it is.

[N.Bailey]

IMO, it's pretty darn tacky to attack an 80 year old woman, but hey, that doesn't stop everyone, does it?

[BuckNaked]

Really ? Remember a lot of vicious attacks on George I do ya' ? ;)

Yes, actually I do.

Her statement basically calls to mind a bunch of people sitting around saying, "Boy...Sure glad that hurricane came through and destroyed everything we've ever known ! And hey...we've got other cousins, right ? So what's three or four unaccounted for ?"

That's because you choose to believe that's what she meant because of who she is. Reference the stereotyping discussion on the other thread. ;)

Bush, Clinton, Kennedy, Nixon...I don't care who said it, it would lack class, tact, and intelligence.

Perhaps so, but I bet you wouldn't be complaining about it, nor would you be reading into it things that aren't there.

BTW, is there an actual audio of this somewhere? The "chuckled" comment was commented upon, but do we really know that's even what happened?

[crazyforgoofy]

IMO, it's pretty darn tacky to attack an 80 year old woman, but hey, that doesn't stop everyone, does it?
My mother is an 80 year old woman. If she said made an inappropriate remark like that I'd be upset with her too. Barbara Bush is 80 old, she's not senile. She's insensitive at best and at worst...

[Goofyzgurl]

I think it's pretty tacky for someone anyone at any age to insinuate that underpriviliged people don't mind that they've lost their home and city so that they can have some hand me down clothes, a case of water and to live with 10,000 other people in a dome in Tx or any other city. I don't think being old is an excuse to be insensitive to other people's plight. Comments like that don't suprise me coming from the Bush camp, no matter how many minorities he puts on his cabinet.

[N.Bailey]

My mother is an 80 year old woman. If she said made an inappropriate remark like that I'd be upset with her too. Barbara Bush is 80 old, she's not senile. She's insensitive at best and at worst...


Well, she's your mother and you're free to say anything you'd like about her. I doubt you'd be too approving if someone else did however.

I seriously doubt she meant her remarks as offensive in any way. It's just not her style and it's asinine for anyone to say it is.

[N.Bailey]

I think it's pretty tacky for someone anyone at any age to insinuate that underpriviliged people don't mind that they've lost their home and city so that they can have some hand me down clothes, a case of water and to live with 10,000 other people in a dome in Tx or any other city. I don't think being old is an excuse to be insensitive to other people's plight. Comments like that don't suprise me coming from the Bush camp, no matter how many minorities he puts on his cabinet.

I'd agree with you IF that's what she meant, but does it matter to you what she meant? Really?

[peachgirl]

BTW, is there an actual audio of this somewhere? The "chuckled" comment was commented upon, but do we really know that's even what happened?

Dawn's going to love this one...

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash5bb.htm

That's what happened and when you actually listen to it, her comments come off as even more offensive.

I seriously doubt she meant her remarks as offensive in any way.

Well of course she didn't mean to be offensive. She's so out of touch with how poor people live that she has no clue that she was being offensive. The fact that she didn't mean to be makes it all the worse. Not intending to be offensive is no defense for being offensive.

[crazyforgoofy]

Dawn's going to love this one...

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash5bb.htm

That's what happened and when you actually listen to it, her comments come off as even more offensive.



Well of course she didn't mean to be offensive. She's so out of touch with how poor people live that she has no clue that she was being offensive. The fact that she didn't mean to be makes it all the worse. Not intending to be offensive is no defense for being offensive.

::yes:: ::yes:: ::yes::

[Goofyzgurl]

I'd agree with you IF that's what she meant, but does it matter to you what she meant? Really?

People say what they mean, that's why I take what they say as what they mean. That's how we communicate, saying what we mean. As for what it means to me, what does it matter to you? What does it mean to you? If it doesn't mean anything to you, then don't read the thread.

[N.Bailey]

People say what they mean, that's why I take what they say as what they mean. That's how we communicate, saying what we mean. As for what it means to me, what does it matter to you? What does it mean to you? If it doesn't mean anything to you, then don't read the thread.


When I asked, what does it mean to you, that wasn't directly ONLY to you. It was more in reference to, does it matter to liberals what her intentions were, or does it only matter that she's a Bush? She's 80 freakin years old!! And yeah, a lot of times people confuse what I meant because I didn't explain myself very well.

I don't think a 2 2nd sound clip tells us anything here either.

[ByTheSea]

Tacky at best

Something one may expect in a classist society (which I fear are getting closer and closer to becoming if we aren't already there.) I'm sure she didn't mean it in any way derogatory, but I'm also sure she doesn't feel in any way connected to or on equal ground as those "underprivileged" folks of which she spoke.

[Goofyzgurl]

When I asked, what does it mean to you, that wasn't directly ONLY to you. It was more in reference to, does it matter to liberals what her intentions were, or does it only matter that she's a Bush? She's 80 freakin years old!! And yeah, a lot of times people confuse what I meant because I didn't explain myself very well.

I don't think a 2 2nd sound clip tells us anything here either.


I'm not going to get into a debate with you on effective communication skills. Obviously the people who responded to this post thought enough to respond to it because it meant something to them and wanted to share their opinions. And once again, age is not an excuse for what her and her son have, foot in mouth disease.

[poohandwendy]

I think it was an inappropriate thing to say. Even if it was well intentioned (probably was), it still is pretty inappropriate given the circumstances.

But I do have to laugh because I have an 85 yo great aunt who would say something similar and totally not get what was wrong with saying it. Not only that, she would think she was saying something very positive.

[catherine]

Perhaps she meant it like it came out. The conditions at the shelter might be better than the conditions they left behind. The food and clothing might be better than what they would have had at home. The money and assistance might be more than they would have received from welfare or a low paying job. I can see how it absolutely might be working well for some people. Maybe that's what she meant.

I find it inconceivable that citizens of the richest country on the earth could possible be better of living in those conditions! :worried:

[Robinrs]

Wow, and she's the Bush I liked the most!

I work with seniors with 80 being in the Mid range of ages. The people I work with shoot from the hip and they don't have a clue about "political correctness"... they say what they mean.

I think she meant what she said, I've heard this from several people this weekend, "those people are living better than they did..." Believe it or not, living in poverty in a home you recognize with your family around you is NOT that awful when you're in it. Living in a hall with a couple thousand of your neighbors might be cool for a few days but is not a way of life. Besides, what else would they say to her? "Get me out of here!!!!"

[auntpolly]

I think it was an inappropriate way to say "blessing in disguise".

Blessing in disguise sounds a bit inappropriate, too -- don't you think?
How about, "making the best of a horrible situation."

She's getting pretty old -- maybe she's getting senile or something.

[chobie]

IMO, it's pretty darn tacky to attack an 80 year old woman, but hey, that doesn't stop everyone, does it?

I made that same point when the Conservative thread was cheering on an 80+ old woman, Helen Thomas, to kill herself. I'm sure you would have agreed with me on that point, right?

[peachgirl]

I made that same point when the Conservative thread was cheering on an 80+ old woman, Helen Thomas, to kill herself. I'm sure you would have agreed with me on that point, right?

Yeah, but that's different....:rolleyes2

[WDWBetsy]

I really don't think she's trying to be insensitive. It's just when you're used to having so much, you're out of touch with those who are poor.

It bothered me to hear it. I personally think that Clinton's remarks were more appropriate, and I could feel his genuine pain for those suffering.

[LuvN~Travel]

Though I haven't listened to her speech, there is one thought that ocurred to me. Sometimes the poor in one area are better off than some in another area. We have a lot of 'poor' neighborhoods around here, but I've never seen one that even came near the 'poor' areas I saw in Florida as a teen. We lived in a smaller town, that had a lot of orange groves and orchards nearby. When you see whole families of six, seven, or more living in a one room shack right in the middle of an orange grove with no electricity or indoor plumbing, then you've seen poor! Our church had a bus ministry and we felt so bad for the kids that were brought to our church sometimes. I don't know how many times the women had to go through the clothes we kept on hand just for undies for the little ones!
Believe me, we don't have that kind of poor here in Montgomery.
Maybe way out in the country....but not in town.
Kim

[staci]

I think she meant what she said, I've heard this from several people this weekend, "those people are living better than they did..." Believe it or not, living in poverty in a home you recognize with your family around you is NOT that awful when you're in it. Living in a hall with a couple thousand of your neighbors might be cool for a few days but is not a way of life. Besides, what else would they say to her? "Get me out of here!!!!"

::yes::

I agree with you, I was just at a loss for words on how to say what I felt. There is so much more to life than having access to food and air conditioning. I think of how sad it would be to lose the place where I live; the crayon on the window from ds's first art project, the bed where we have spent so many nights snuggling, the craziness of having my whole extended family crowded into the tiny kitchen, reading my favorite books with ds on my lap in the living room........ while I dont believe that Mrs. Bush MEANT to be mean or insulting, she diminished the importance of all that these people lost. They may not have been 'rich' before, but they lost a whole lot of things that are 'priceless'. A cot in a superdome may be adequate for basic needs right now, but looking at the big picture, I would hardly consider it 'a blessing in disquise'.

[ducklite]

A little four or five year old boy who I saw on the news last night seemed to sum it up the best. He was living in a shelter for children who have not been claimed by parents.

The reporter asked him how he liked living there, and he responded "They are nice to me and have nice toys for me and all that, but I want to go home to my house. I miss MY toys."

Anne

[theSurlyMermaid]

A little four or five year old boy who I saw on the news last night seemed to sum it up the best. He was living in a shelter for children who have not been claimed by parents.

The reporter asked him how he liked living there, and he responded "They are nice to me and have nice toys for me and all that, but I want to go home to my house. I miss MY toys."

Anne

I agree with you...that sums it up perfectly. :sad1:

[va32h]

The entire Bush family is just out of touch with the way normal people live their lives. Remember when George Sr. went to buy some socks for a photo op and was completely fascinated with the barcode scanner?<p>I doubt Barbara Bush meant her comments to be insulting - but they were, in a sort of noblesse oblige way.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Blessing in disguise sounds a bit inappropriate, too -- don't you think?
How about, "making the best of a horrible situation."

She's getting pretty old -- maybe she's getting senile or something.

In other words--I think that is what she meant...and at this time there isn't ANY appropriate way to say it at all.

your comment would have been better.

[sodaseller]

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-29-2004/0002240178&EDATE= (Link) Several of Bush's friends and advisers commented that Bush is really more like his mother than his father. Barbara Bush, they say, can be more
judgmental, more black and white, and more caustic than her husband.

[peachgirl]

Apparently she said more than Drudge cared to report and more than was on the audio clip...

"What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality," she said during a radio interview with the American Public Media program "Marketplace." "And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/06/katrina.presidents.ap/index.html


Yes, we should all be very afraid of the underprivileged....:rolleyes:

[Bichon Barb]

We are not talking about your average 80 year old woman here. We are talking about someone who was once the first lady of the country! She should know better than to say something so stupid to the media.

I've seen George HW and Barbara on quite a few interviews in the past five years. I don't think she's senile. I think her true colors are showing.

[DawnCt1]

WOW!!! I think the OP was just trying to share some information they had found with us. Geez!! :rolleyes:

Then I have some ocean front property in Nevada I would like to sell you.

[poohandwendy]

Apparently she said more than Drudge cared to report and more than was on the audio clip...



http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/06/katrina.presidents.ap/index.html


Yes, we should all be very afraid of the underprivileged....:rolleyes:

To be fair, she did not say that she was afraid of the underprivleged, she said it was scary that they wanted to stay. Many people here have said the same thing and meant that it is scary to think of such a large group of people settling at one time in another city, as in does the city have the means to accomodate them. I think that is a valid concern and very well could be what she meant, just as easily as what you think she meant. She could also have meant that it was scary that they did not even want to go back home, as in they saw such devastation that they wouldn't even want to return to their own city.

The underprivileged part came with the second sentence.

I don't agree with her last statement, but unless she expanded on that thought I don't think it is fair to put words in her mouth by twisting around what she did say, either.

[Charade]

To be fair, she did not say that she was afraid of the underprivleged, she said it was scary that they wanted to stay. Many people here have said the same thing and meant that it is scary to think of such a large group of people settling at one time in another city, as in does the city have the means to accomodate them. I think that is a valid concern and very well could be what she meant, just as easily as what you think she meant. She could also have meant that it was scary that they did not even want to go back home, as in they saw such devastation that they wouldn't even want to return to their own city.

The underprivileged part came with the second sentence.

I don't agree with her last statement, but unless she expanded on that thought I don't think it is fair to put words in her mouth by twisting around what she did say, either.

I agree. I didn't take it that way either. I don't think what she said was all that offensive either because I don't think that she meant that life in the shelter was better than they had (it might be though) but it's an opportunity for a fresh start.

I know several people in my area (PA) that have expressed concern (fear?) as to how the influx of larger groups of refugees will affect the local job and housing markets.

[Sirius]

Ooops, I forgot about this thread. Anyway, sorry to get things stirred up. Actually, I found her comments really telling. I think the "America's grandmother" thing is an act.

[Charade]

Ooops, I forgot about this thread. Anyway, sorry to get things stirred up. Actually, I found her comments really telling. I think the "America's grandmother" thing is an act.


I think that Hillary appearing to be a moderate is an act as well.

[wvrevy]

I think that Hillary appearing to be a moderate is an act as well.

Ah, John...Whenever I think the right might actually defend a position without attacking someone else, there you are to set me right again. :rotfl:

[Charade]

Ah, John...Whenever I think the right might actually defend a position without attacking someone else, there you are to set me right again. :rotfl:

Whatsa matter? The lefties can dish it out but can't take it???? I've heard they have no (or little) sense of humor. ;)

And btw, that's an OPINION, not an attack.

[wvrevy]

Whatsa matter? The lefties can dish it out but can't take it???? I've heard they have no (or little) sense of humor. ;)

And btw, that's an OPINION, not an attack.
Yeah...'cause we've never been attacked by righties with little cause before. :rotfl:

Point was, you guys just can't seem to defend any position without attacking someone else...usually, but not always, the person that is doing the criticizing. It's become standard operating procedure for right wing politicians, and their followers have taken the queue.

[poohandwendy]

Point was, you guys just can't seem to defend any position without attacking someone else...usually, but not always, the person that is doing the criticizing. It's become standard operating procedure for right wing politicians, and their followers have taken the queue.
LOL, isn't THAT an attack on 'righties'? Because I am one. Can you please not lump everyone together and make blanket statements like that? I have defended my position without attacking any specific political group, trust me...it can be done.

[wvrevy]

LOL, isn't THAT an attack on 'righties'? Because I am one. Can you please not lump everyone together and make blanket statements like that? I have defended my position without attacking any specific political group, trust me...it can be done.
1 - no, it's not an attack, it's an observation.

2 - I know it can...several posters on the board try, at least on occasion. But if you don't think the right has turned to this policy more and more over the last decade, you simply aren't paying attention.

As for lumping you in with them...if you choose to associate with people that sling mud at every opportunity, don't complain when others think you've probably got dirty fingernails. :teeth:

[poohandwendy]

As for lumping you in with them...if you choose to associate with people that sling mud at every opportunity, don't complain when others think you've probably got dirty fingernails. Actually, it doesn't really matter to me what people think of me who do not take MY words and MY actions into consideration when casting judgement against me. I only mentioned it because I would prefer these threads stay open because there are many people with interesting thoughts to share. But if you don't think the right has turned to this policy more and more over the last decade, you simply aren't paying attention.
I have seen it happen from both sides equally and I have been around and paying attention more than a few decades. I don't agree with it coming from either side.

[Sirius]

I think that Hillary appearing to be a moderate is an act as well.

So we agree on Babs and Hillary?

[lyeag]

I've read through the whole thread and I took her comments as it being scary how many of them want to stay meaning it will be overwhelming, and being unsure how Texas will handle it. I also took it as a huge compliment to the state of Texas that these people were being treated so well that they looked at this place as a place they would like to call home.

As far as the underpriveldged part, well, many of them are. The whole reason a large number are in the shelters is becuase they didn't have any resources to leave before the storm. Perhaps Mrs. Bush is looking ahead to the initiatives that may be put in place to help people rebuild their lives. I am guessing there will be low interest loans for these people in the future. A new job in a new location... wouldn't it be wonderful if that through this tragedy some of the people who were in poverty in NO and other places hit hard could rise from it and build a better life than they had being trapped on welfare? Just a thought.

[Charade]

So we agree on Babs and Hillary?

Sure. :teeth:

But I'll remember that in a few years when heated topic of the day is the "Hillary for President" campaign.

[sodaseller]

I think the most benign reading of the quote is that it is "scary" that anyone could "prefer" what is admittedly a horrible life circumstance to their normal life. That would be clumsily worded empathy. But that doesn't excuse the closing sentiments, just the opening ones.

And certainly there are kudos to Texas regardless.

[Charade]

I've read through the whole thread and I took her comments as it being scary how many of them want to stay meaning it will be overwhelming, and being unsure how Texas will handle it. I also took it as a huge compliment to the state of Texas that these people were being treated so well that they looked at this place as a place they would like to call home.

As far as the underpriveldged part, well, many of them are. The whole reason a large number are in the shelters is becuase they didn't have any resources to leave before the storm. Perhaps Mrs. Bush is looking ahead to the initiatives that may be put in place to help people rebuild their lives. I am guessing there will be low interest loans for these people in the future. A new job in a new location... wouldn't it be wonderful if that through this tragedy some of the people who were in poverty in NO and other places hit hard could rise from it and build a better life than they had being trapped on welfare? Just a thought.

::yes::

[peachgirl]

Perhaps Mrs. Bush is looking ahead to the initiatives that may be put in place to help people rebuild their lives.
:rotfl2:

Sure, that's what she meant...

Get in touch with Dawn..she's got some land to sell you.

[Free4Life11]

The entire Bush family is just out of touch with the way normal people live their lives. Remember when George Sr. went to buy some socks for a photo op and was completely fascinated with the barcode scanner?<p>I doubt Barbara Bush meant her comments to be insulting - but they were, in a sort of noblesse oblige way.

What??? :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

I never heard that one. :rotfl:

[lyeag]

:rotfl2:

Sure, that's what she meant...

Get in touch with Dawn..she's got some land to sell you.

You don't think there will be gov't assistance for these people to get loans? Is it really that far fetched to think she would be thinking in that vein?
I read the whole thing, now I didn't hear it, so maybe I am missing the tone, but for some of these people, this may be a second chance to get out of the dire circumstances they found themselves in back in NO.

She's the wife of an ex pres and mother of one. Why wouldn't she think in a govenmental way?

[peachgirl]

Is it really that far fetched to think she would be thinking in that vein?

Yes, it is.

[lyeag]

Yes, it is.


why do you think so? :confused3

[peachgirl]

why do you think so? :confused3

Listen to the audio, maybe that will help.

Because it makes no sense for her to say something stupid like "this is working out well for them" if she was trying to say that there would be opportunities for them due to federal assistance programs.



Btw, it's my understanding that you have to have lost something in order to get low interest loans. The people she was referring to aren't home owners or business owners..no loss, no money.

It takes a lot of twisting and turning to get a meaning out of her comments other than she believes they're better of in the shelters than they were at home. The only way you can buy that one is to simply want to.

[Charade]

Yes, it is.


Meet Miss Peachlo. Mind reader.

[peachgirl]

Meet Miss Peachlo. Mind reader.

Be very careful, John. They've warned that being insulting and calling names won't be tolerated, so I won't respond in kind.

But, since this is probably your 3rd or 4th time to register under a new ID, you might not want to blow this one.

[lyeag]

Listen to the audio, maybe that will help.

Because it makes no sense for her to say something stupid like "this is working out well for them" if she was trying to say that there would be opportunities for them due to federal assistance programs.



Btw, it's my understanding that you have to have lost something in order to get low interest loans. The people she was referring to aren't home owners or business owners..no loss, no money.

It takes a lot of twisting and turning to get a meaning out of her comments other than she believes they're better of in the shelters than they were at home. The only way you can buy that one is to simply want to.

I clicked on the cnn link you posted, I didn't see an audio link there. Is there one someplace else?

The gov't might provide special work and loan programs. The Red Cross is helping to find housing, and I know that many of the shelters are providing job listings. The children are going to school. It very well could be a new and better start for many of them. I think if some of them couldn't even muster more than one day's supply of water and food, as people have hinted at on other threads, these shelters probably are working out very well for some of the very poor there. I don't say that in a mean way, but if people can get a new start and it is better than what they left behind, it makes sense to me.

[lyeag]

Charade, Peachgirl and I have at least gotten to the point where we don't roll eyes at each other. Instigating bad blood doesn't help people try to explain their thoughts and views. I am trying to explain my perspective and so is she. I'd like to keep it civil.

[peachgirl]

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/bb.mp3

It may just be my computer, but I have to play it a second time to get it not to skip parts.

I think if some of them couldn't even muster more than one day's supply of water and food, as people have hinted at on other threads, these shelters probably are working out very well for some of the very poor there. I don't say that in a mean way, but if people can get a new start and it is better than what they left behind, it makes sense to me.

You're entitled to believe that's what she meant if you want to, but I don't and from the fallout I've seen most people don't.

Regardless, it was still a thoughtless thing to say...to infer that having what happened to them will turn out to have a silver lining. My best guess is that no matter what good comes of it, not a one of them would choose to go through what they went through.

Btw, thanks for the nice words.

[lyeag]

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/bb.mp3

It may just be my computer, but I have to play it a second time to get it not to skip parts.



You're entitled to believe that's what she meant if you want to, but I don't and from the fallout I've seen most people don't.

Regardless, it was still a thoughtless thing to see...to infer that having what happened to them turn out to have a silver lining. My best guess is that no matter what good comes of it, not a one of them would choose to go through what they went through.

Btw, thanks for the nice words.


Thanks for the link. I heard the chuckle. My first thought was the chuckle was non verbal for "underpriviledged is an understatement". No one would choose to go through such an emotional truama to get a better life, you are right. Fortunately, we usually don't know when such things are coming. However, it did happen and it may have a silver lining. "No great loss comes without some small gain" (One of the Little House quotes I love.) I can't say for sure what she meant, but you are right, I like her and I choose to believe the best of her. I feel she only wants the best future for these people and that it is going to better than what some of them left behind.

I do see how people could see it as being snooty. I am sure she has no concept of what these people lived like in NO. It isn't part of her life experience.