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HayGan
09-03-2005, 12:06 PM
I've been thinking about the events leading up to, during and after Hurricane Katrina and I really need to put them down (well, most of them in one place.)

* There is no way possible to evacuate 1+million people from an area in less than 48 hours. No number of buses, planes, trains, and automobiles could have gotten everyone out even if they all wanted to.

* Anyone (and I mean ANYONE - rich, poor, young and old) living in an area prone to hurricanes (and other natural disasters) should have their own plans set up in the case of an emergency. Not only does that mean trying to evacuate if you can but it also means simple things like having a flashlight with extra batteries, a battery powered radio and food/water supplies put away. All things that can be purchased for less than $5 and could be lifesaving. Keep a couple of empty bottles and fill them up every couple of months with clean water. (Hey, many of us do it and we don't even live in a hurricane zone.) BTW, we were instructed by the Dept. of Homeland Security to do this many years ago.

* Some people stayed behind because they couldn't get out and others stayed behind because they didn't want to get out. That is the truth - like it or not.

* There were 100,000+ people in NOLA when Katrina hit. You can't possibly get that many people out by limited means in 5 days. (BTW, Katrina only made landfall a little over 5 days or 120 hours ago.) It would be hard enough to get them all out if they were in one place but they are stranded all over hundreds of miles.

* The thugs that have been going around looting for non-necessities, terrorizing other stranded people as well as rescue workers, raping and murdering other people have set the rescue effort back tremendously. While my heart breaks for those who are suffering because of those thugs, I can't blame any agency (government or private) for not sending in more help when their very lives are at risk from this type of danger.

* I believe that no one was prepared to handle the level of devistation that occured after Katrina was gone from the coast. I honestly don't know how you can plan for something of this magnitude.

* I believe that the rescue agencies are doing the best they can under these unbelievable conditions. How do you get millions and millions of gallons of water, million lbs.of food, pieces of equipment, thousands of blankets/cots/clothing articles, vehicles all in to an area whose infrastructure has been practically wiped out in such a short period of time. It is impossible, IMHO!

* The levee system in NOLA has been know for many years to be a problem. It isn't this administration's fault nor is it the fault of the previous 4 or 5 administrations that knew of the same dangers. You can point all you want at the current administration for cutting back funds but in no way shape or form could it have prevented this tragedy. Recreating or shoring up the levee system would have taken many years and more that $30 million! I wish that people would stop grasping at straws with this.

* NOLA and the rest of the Gulf Coast was a disaster waiting to happen. Population living below sea level and on the coast with no geographical barrier helping to protect from storms of this magnitude are going to be destroyed on a regular basis. It is well known that due to the Earth's weather patterns, hurricane seasons are likely to intensify for several years every 40 or so years. Look at the late 60's and early 70's. There is nothing we can do about it but accept it and try our best to plan for it.

* I absolutely hate that some people are trying to play the race card with this. Guess what, our country helped out with billions in aid to the tsunami zone and less than 1% of the people killed in that tragedy were white. Just because most of the faces that we see on TV have a darker skin color doesn't mean that they aren't seen as human beings. Yes, most of the people at the convention center are black but guess what so are most of the people at the Astrodome and the dozens of other shelters that have been put up all over the South. It isn't a black/white thing!

* I think whoever decided that they should put huge floating casinos in this area should have his/her head examined. You live in a hurrican zone. Why on earth would you put these massive floating missiles in such a place?!?!?!

* I think NOLA and some of the Gulf Coast should be rebuilt but no where to level that it was in the past. This same sceanrio could be repeated over and over again. My idea for NOLA is to scale back the city; try to design a better system which would be able to withstand larger systems. Don't put so many people in a bowl. We can and should limit development. NOLA is of vital importance to our nation and it can still be that with a 1/3rd of the people.

* I think everyone bears some responsibility in this situation. While I believe that the local, state and federal governments have certain responsibilities in protecting their citizens, I also believe that people have to take responsibility for themselves as well. I am so tired of the attitude that it is always someone else's fault.

* Everyone involved in this situation is human. Humans make mistakes and sometimes those mistakes cost others their lives. Sad but true.

Hindsight is 20/20. I think that there are so many lessons that will be learned from this tragedy. I just wish we could have learned them some other way.

I know that many will disagree with what I have said and I respect your right to do so.


BTW, one last thing (and of very little if any importance). Kanye West can rant and rave all he wants but I think it is very funny that he can do all that complaining and didn't think until he was on TV last night in front of millions of people of calling his business manager to see how much he could donate. Geez, you think you could have thought of that before Kanye? Yeah, we should listen to you and your opinions since they were so well thought out :rolleyes:

DStar4cup
09-03-2005, 12:15 PM
I agree with every word you said! Great post!

Catzeyes
09-03-2005, 12:30 PM
You said exactly what has been on my mind for the past few days. I agree with you 100%!

MagicKingdom05
09-03-2005, 12:31 PM
I also agree with you 100%. I have also wanted to say some of these same things you did.

bengalbelle
09-03-2005, 12:37 PM
Well said.

Pugdog007
09-03-2005, 12:59 PM
Finally - someone rational. Thank you.

MICKEY_MOUSE
09-03-2005, 01:02 PM
::yes:: ::yes::

Kae
09-03-2005, 01:03 PM
I agree with others well said.

Kae

wdwmom2
09-03-2005, 01:10 PM
My thoughts exactly!!!!!! Thanks for your thread!!!!

Lisa loves Pooh
09-03-2005, 01:16 PM
Wow--much better than my post!!!!

SherryNC
09-03-2005, 01:21 PM
Wow, very thoughful and reasonable words. Thank you. :)

DMRick
09-03-2005, 01:26 PM
Thanks..good reading.

L107ANGEL
09-03-2005, 01:28 PM
Thank you. This was well thought out and written.

Saphire
09-03-2005, 01:30 PM
Count me in...great post! ::yes::

mickeyfan2
09-03-2005, 01:32 PM
Great post. I have not been able to expain it anywhere near as well with all of my many posts on this subject. My hearts go out to all people effected by Katrina.

jkmmah
09-03-2005, 01:39 PM
Exellent post. Thank you for giving a voice to my feelings as well.

copper68
09-03-2005, 01:46 PM
Ita!!

WDWBetsy
09-03-2005, 01:56 PM
* Anyone (and I mean ANYONE - rich, poor, young and old) living in an area prone to hurricanes (and other natural disasters) should have their own plans set up in the case of an emergency. Not only does that mean trying to evacuate if you can but it also means simple things like having a flashlight with extra batteries, a battery powered radio and food/water supplies put away. All things that can be purchased for less than $5 and could be lifesaving. Keep a couple of empty bottles and fill them up every couple of months with clean water. (Hey, many of us do it and we don't even live in a hurricane zone.) BTW, we were instructed by the Dept. of Homeland Security to do this many years ago.

Until someone knows what it's like to NOT have money to get out of town, don't criticize those who were too poor to leave. You can have all the plans you want to leave, but it takes $$$ and a place to relocate. Even tourists without transportation were stranded.

People were told to go to the Superdome as a last resort, so many did. It bothers me that for DAYS people have been begging on TV for water, food, working toilets, etc. Help did not reach them like it should have. I expect my tax dollars to be RUSHED to such a disaster site. I don't think local and state governments in crisis should be expected to make formal requests for help. Any idiot with a brain could see on CNN that the need was there.

It bothers me that I watched while patients were waiting at the public Charity Hospital to be airlifted out. Patients were dying waiting. But right across the rooftops, staff at private hospital Tulane were being airlifted. I've been watching for days how doctors and nurses at Charity were being shot at. It's unacceptable and a shame.

Sadly, in desperate situations people try to survive the best they can. And people who were thugs before the hurricane exploited the situation. I expect my government (aka Homeland Security) to jump in and protect the rescue teams, police, hospital workers so that those in need get the essentials.

You can call for all the money in the world to help the survivors, but when I see someone on TV needing water for her baby, it makes me mad. I don't expect people to cart around gallons of water with them when they relocate to a shelter. I expect supplies to be rushed in less than 5 days.

Rock'n Robin
09-03-2005, 01:56 PM
::yes::
Robin M.

Jessy
09-03-2005, 01:59 PM
HAYGAN, Thank you for your words, VERY WELL SAID

hugsquared
09-03-2005, 02:06 PM
HayGan, that has been the most well thought out, non knee jerk and calm post I have seen thus far. Good job putting you thoughts into words and I echo them 100%.

HayGan
09-03-2005, 02:11 PM
Until someone knows what it's like to NOT have money to get out of town, don't criticize those who were too poor to leave. You can have all the plans you want to leave, but it takes $$$ and a place to relocate. Even tourists without transportation were stranded.

They, as individuals, could have been prepared with the basics in the event they couldn't get out.

People were told to go to the Superdome as a last resort, so many did. It bothers me that for DAYS people have been begging on TV for water, food, working toilets, etc. Help did not reach them like it should have. I expect my tax dollars to be RUSHED to such a disaster site. I don't think local and state governments in crisis should be expected to request formal requests for help. Any idiot with a brain could see on CNN that the need was there.



So the $500 million a day being spent by the federal governement means nothing to you. I guarantee you if the National Guard would have been sent in without a request by the state and local government, there would people screaming about how it was turned into a military state and the terrorizing of innocent people by our our armed men & women. And how would you get all of these things to over 100,000 spread over miles, in a few short hours when you have to gather it and transport it from all over the country.

It bothers me that I watched while patients were waiting at the public Charity Hospital to be airlifted out. Patients were dying waiting. But right across the rooftops, staff at private hospital Tulane were being airlifted. I've been watching for days how doctors and nurses at Charity were being shot at. It's unacceptable and a shame.

There were logistical issues at play not to mention the armed thugs that were targeting Charity Hospital. And how are the lives of those at Tulane any less important than those at Charity?!?!?

Sadly, in desperate situations people try to survive the best they can. And people who were thugs before the hurricane exploited the situation. I expect my government (aka Homeland Security) to jump in and protect the rescue teams, police, hospital workers so that those in need get the essentials.

And they are and have been.

You can call for all the money in the world to help the survivors, but when I see someone on TV needing water for her baby, it makes me mad. I don't expect people to cart around gallons of water with them when they relocate to a shelter. I expect supplies to be rushed in less than 5 days.

Well, when they have been told to do so, they darn well better. How about taking care of yourself? Many of them didn't have any problems bringing along suitcases/bags of belongings. How about filling those bags with food/water instead of clothes/blankets/material goods. They were instructed to bring supplies because they could likely be there for days. Material goods are not worth anything to you if you are dead. Supplies were brought in (before and after) but everyone knew that it wouldn't be enough for everyone for several days. People do at some point need to take some responsibility for themselves!

Tiziminchac
09-03-2005, 02:19 PM
This is one of the best posts I've read about the situation. Thanks HanGay.

arminnie
09-03-2005, 02:34 PM
This is one of the best posts I've read about the situation. Thanks HanGay.

A voice of reason. An intelligent person making rational statements. Thank you, thank you.

I own a home in N.O. but was in Arkansas when all of this happened.

And I know what it's like to be poor. When I lived in New Orleans 40 years ago I remember not having a dime to my name at times (literally) with no one I could ask for financial help.

I think I would be glad to be alive right now and not be yelling at who didn't take care of me. A lot of people did not make this out alive. Katrina is the one to blame.

aaac
09-03-2005, 02:43 PM
I live in Baton Rouge and I must say our city has been greatly disrupted. We really do have a great state and great people. I go to New Orleans all of the time before Katrina hit and you would not know in the tourist area that there were that many poor people living in the city. I live an hour away and had no idea that there was so much poverty. Unfortunately, I hope the chaos that has occured does not make our state appear to the nation as a bad state. There are horror stories circulating around here and I must say that I believe some of the blame is to be placed on our governor. Apparently, she did not ask for things properly but I think it was wrong for the federal government to not step in and guide her in what she needed to do to ask for assistance. I truly do not know what the truth is in regards to if our state government or the federal government or both dropping the ball. The saddest part is many have died because of this. I believe many did not have means to get out and sometimes you have people who have the "it is not going to happen to me syndrome". Hopefully, this is a wake-up call that they will build a system that can handle such a storm without causing this problem. If they can not do so, then this problem will likely happen again. There are some many businesses in New Orleans that it has to be rebuilt.

My concern is why they have not brought in helicopters yet to get out the fires since they have been offered. I heard they were waiting on homeland security's approval. I might be mistaken but I believe that Mississippi is just getting relief as well, which to me does not make it a racial issue. Also, what really upsets me is that they were able to evacuate the prisioners before they had evacuated these poor patients and people. There are still patients there. I do not believe the convention center was meant to be a shelter because it is my understanding that no one even knew that they were there until Wed. In regards to the gunfire, I have heard that some had been shooting because they did not believe that the national guard knew they were there because they would just fly over and not drop any food or anything. In regards to communication problem, I am concerned on why satelite phones were not there on Monday. I am not even sure if they are there now.

It is terrible that we can take care of so many other countries but not be able to establish some kind of order and plan in our own country. Here in Baton Rouge, there is not much gas here at all. If you do have people coming to your area, just be careful. We have had some new problems with crime since the storm. I am sure many are great people but there are some bad ones as well.

I am also upset on why the national guard has not been here sooner in the planes to drop food and water. You do not understand the heat down here. I am shocked that people are still alive. Also, rumor is that Jessie Jackson came in here with his buses but only took out the students from the black university population in town. He did not take out the poor people. I believe the buses might have stopped due to problems on the bus. There may have been saftey issues. I am not sure. People also need to realize that before some of the water cleared in Metairie area there was no way to get to these people via vehicles, which is my understanding. Please donate whatever you have because many of these people do not have insurance and have absolutely nothing.

DisneyDame
09-03-2005, 03:05 PM
Well said. Thanks!

WDWBetsy
09-03-2005, 03:36 PM
I'm not ungrateful for what is finally being done. I appreciate the rescue crews, the National Guard restoring order, doctors & nurses caring for patients. I think improvements need to be made.


There were logistical issues at play not to mention the armed thugs that were targeting Charity Hospital. And how are the lives of those at Tulane any less important than those at Charity?!?!?

I'm talking about patients on stretchers with nurses hand-ventilating them. I saw with my own eyes this happening while staff at the neighboring Tulane was being rescued on the other roof. I work in the medical field - you get the critical patients out first.

travelbug
09-03-2005, 04:36 PM
Thank you, HayGan! You voiced exactly what I've been thinking, point by point. Only I could have never expressed it all as well as you did. :)