Katrina happened because America isn't CHRISTIAN enough!

[TheOtherVillainess]

:earseek: :rolleyes:
Yup..this is all our fault for not kissing God's golden sandals often enough... (http://www.realtruthmag.org/articles/0305-wawucgu.html)

TOV

[MoniqueU]

Oh brother. Now we have both sides of the spectrum out there stirring up their political and ideological weirdness. :earseek: Just what we need.

[ericamanda01]

I can't say what I am thinking as it might get me in trouble. So let me say that it is so sad to see how stupid some people are. I bet God is getting tired of being blamed!

[patsal]

:rolleyes: Can't really say what I'd like to, but really! After the Tsunami I was bombarded by "Christians" who said it was God's vengence as well, whatever makes you able to rationalize it I guess, but my God is kind and merciful and doesn't seek vengence.

[Beauty]

I didn't read the link but I do believe everyone needs God so,
Sorry but I agree if that makes me a horrible person in some eyes so be it.

[Mermaid02]

I don't have the stomach to click on the link. Sorry- Christianity isn't the only religion out there and my God is not the guy next door's god. Doesn't make me right and him wrong. This was a natural disaster, not a vengeful God.

[chadfromdallas]

I didn't read the link but I do believe everyone needs God so,
Sorry but I agree if that makes me a horrible person in some eyes so be it.

Makes you a few things ;)

[N.Bailey]

I didn't read the link but I do believe everyone needs God so,
Sorry but I agree if that makes me a horrible person in some eyes so be it.

I agree that we do need God in our life, but this link was saying it was God's choice to punish the people of the area because of their "sinful" lives.

[lauran cameron]

*faints* http://forums.caraudio.com/vb/images/smilies/wow.gif

(due to the article)

[cstraub]

"Mardi Gras is firmly rooted in ancient paganism...."(according to the link)

I think it interesting that christianity is also firmly rooted in ancient paganism.... ;)

[bicker]

Hurricanes are a product of nature, a manifestation of the divine Universe. There is no "reason" -- there is no "purpose" -- there is no aim, direction, or target. Hurricanes just happen.

[sunmaidraisans]

WHAT AN INCREDIBLY STUPID LINK!!! GOD WOULDN'T DOO THAT!! and I suppose God's wiping out the northern seals in Alaska because they've sinned too much? :confused3

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I don't even have to read it to know what it says!

laughable.

I must be on the road to sainthood--2 of 4 hurricanes hit my house last year and my structure didn't have one little scratch.

(Oh--and there is that little thing with Noah...you know--the one where he promised to not punish man that way. But who reads the WHOLE Bible anyway)

[HOGFAN]

"no jesus, no peace" Know Jesus, Know Peace"

[bicker]

And yet, God lets homosexual animals roam free. :teeth:

[lauran cameron]

"Mardi Gras is firmly rooted in ancient paganism...."(according to the link)

I think it interesting that christianity is also firmly rooted in ancient paganism.... ;)


http://forums.caraudio.com/vb/images/smilies/thumbsupwink.gif

[lyeag]

Well, that is as bad as what I just read but in a different vein. There is an unsourced claim that cannibalism has already happened in NO. :rolleyes:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/randall-robinson/new-orleans_b_6643.html

[cstraub]

Well, that is as bad as what I just read but in a different vein. There is an unsourced claim that cannibalism has already happened in NO. :rolleyes:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/randall-robinson/new-orleans_b_6643.html

I think it would take more than four days for me to be so hungry I would have to eat someone!!

Thanks for the laugh.

This just cracks me up!!! :rotfl: :rotfl:

[bicker]

We have thumbed our nose at Nature repeatedly, building below sea-level, building on fault lines, building on the side of mountains prone to avalanches, deforesting the oxygen-generating rain forests, filling the atmosphere with pollutants, etc. The natural world is sacred, yet we interact with it so cavalierly, and then act surprised when it is not conforming to our specifications and expectations.

[TheOtherVillainess]

I think it interesting that christianity is also firmly rooted in ancient paganism.... :rotfl2:
It just amazes me how self-righteous the Christians can be sometimes. And yet..they are the cause of the demise of millions throughout history because of the Crusades, the Burning Times and the whole thing with the Native Americans.

Why..because their God can't stand to be the only deity out there! He's all 'hey..get offa my cloud'! :rotfl2:


I think it would take more than four days for me to be so hungry I would have to eat someone!!
Look Pa..there goes our old neighbors Mr. and Mrs. Labatreu. Man..that wife of his is something else. She looks good enough to eat!.
Alright son, but I get dibs on the legs and thighs. You can have the breasts! :earseek: :rotfl2: :rotfl:

TOV

[cstraub]

Look Pa..there goes our old neighbors Mr. and Mrs. Labatreu. Man..that wife of his is something else. She looks good enough to eat!.
Alright son, but I get dibs on the legs and thighs. You can have the breasts!

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

[ducklite]

I think I've just figured out a way to feed the big cats and give some enrichment to the large apes in Audobon Zoo. Use your imagination.

Anne

[Micca]

:blush: I am in big trouble. Anyone wanna have a Dis meet in hell?

[Rock'n Robin]

Well first, as to the OP, I apologize on behalf of "normal" Christians. Sometimes I can't believe people like that and myself worship the same God.
Second, thanks for the humor, however dark it may be. We can always use it!
Robin M.

[Aidensmom]

Just wanted to say that 99% of Christians find the website referenced to be a bunch of baloney, with respect to anything that is on that site.

It both embarrasses me and offends me that some kook can call themselves a Christian and people associate them with Christians in general. If God was going to send natural disasters to wipe out everyone that has ever done anything wrong, none of us would be here.

[staci]

It really scares me that people would believe something like that article. My God wouldnt leave little babies on bridge overpasses to die, or the elderly to pass away in the streets like garbage. :sad1:

Who can believe such a thing???? I hate that Christians all get blamed for this type of mentality.... I dont know what else to say..........

[staci]

It both embarrasses me and offends me that some kook can call themselves a Christian and people associate them with Christians in general. If God was going to send natural disasters to wipe out everyone that has ever done anything wrong, none of us would be here.


ditto.

[Laura]

We have thumbed our nose at Nature repeatedly, building below sea-level, building on fault lines, building on the side of mountains prone to avalanches, deforesting the oxygen-generating rain forests, filling the atmosphere with pollutants, etc. The natural world is sacred, yet we interact with it so cavalierly, and then act surprised when it is not conforming to our specifications and expectations.

Very true.

[TheOtherVillainess]

Second, thanks for the humor, however dark it may be. We can always use it!
Robin M.

*curtsies*
You are quite welcome, Robin. As for the dark sense of humor, well..that's just me. :)

TOV

[Pete's Mom]

Actually I heard that Katrina was a private in the Jihad army. :confused3

[Beauty]

I apologize, I read the article now that I had time and I definately DO NOT AGREE with what it said. I DO agree that we need God, the No God, No Peace, Know God, No Peace is excellent but no I don't believe that article.

Chad what am I among other things? :earseek: :earseek:

[hugsquared]

Just wanted to say that 99% of Christians find the website referenced to be a bunch of baloney, with respect to anything that is on that site.

It both embarrasses me and offends me that some kook can call themselves a Christian and people associate them with Christians in general. If God was going to send natural disasters to wipe out everyone that has ever done anything wrong, none of us would be here.
Amen to that. God wiped all but a chosen few off the face of the earth once and made a promise to never do it again. Don't ever confuse the acts of nature as God being vengful. It doesn't work that way.

[Mamu]

I've heard it's Little Green Men trying to take over our world.

[TheOtherVillainess]

:rotfl: I wonder if they';re related to the one we autopsied on TV a few yar saogo.

Sorry for the typos..DS wans to "help"0000000000000000000000 me type.

TOV

[MosMom]

I thought he was a loving god?

[Not so Dumbo]

Wow! That article is false and nothing but crap. I feel sorry for anyone who believes it or agrees with it. To blame the Lord for a tragic event and to turn from Him will never improve the situation.

[J Lynn]

I'm sorry that some of you find this subject amusing. 60 miles to the west and that would have been me in those flood waters. I'm a Christian and I believe what the Bible says that the world will end someday when God becomes angry enough with his creations that turn against Him. He send his son to die on the cross so we wouldn't suffer in Hell. But when the majority of the world turns their backs on God then He will destroy what He has created. I don't believe the Hurricane was caused by Him, but I do believe it's a wake up call for everyone to fear Him for He has the power to create and destroy and He wants everyone to remember that and surrender to Him.

[C.Ann]

Alrighty then.. No more need to point fingers and no more need to rescue anyone.. If it's punishment for "sinful lives", then I guess the ultimate punishment would be a slow, lingering death - right?

Where do people come up with this drivel??

[MagicKingdom05]

Well, that is as bad as what I just read but in a different vein. There is an unsourced claim that cannibalism has already happened in NO. :rolleyes:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/randall-robinson/new-orleans_b_6643.html

lyeag,

First of all I can't believe anyone would try to push that junk off as being true, but then to have people respond believing that this is actually happening is unreal. It's good to see however that there are some who have responded back telling him how much of an idiot he is (cleaned up version of what was actually being said).

[J&L Love Disney]

Would you people just stop - both sides. Please concentrate all of this anger and strong opinions on how you can help those in need.

I live in south Louisiana and my house was damaged and a I have a number of family members that have lost everything. We feel blessed to still have a home and that no family member died. However, many of those here and in Mississippi aren't so fortunate.

Please channel all of your passion to helping, not arguing and hating. I am ashamed of all of you.

[chadfromdallas]

but I do believe it's a wake up call for everyone to fear Him for He has the power to create and destroy and He wants everyone to remember that and surrender to Him.

surrender to him? :rotfl2:

This was a hurricane. These things have happened since the earth formed billions of years ago. Its a thing scientist like to call...the weather ;) :rotfl:

[J Lynn]

surrender to him? :rotfl2:

This was a hurricane. These things have happened since the earth formed billions of years ago. Its a thing scientist like to call...the weather ;) :rotfl:

I suppose you don't believe God created the weather.

[auntpolly]

The people of Tampa better get right with God. I was told that it's just as vulnerable as NO, if not more so, given there are more people there.

[chadfromdallas]

I suppose you don't believe God created the weather.

Of course not, otherwise he is pretty predictable :earboy2:

[cati]

Chad, I hope you are right.... but somehow I have a feeling one day, and I hope it is not too late, you are going to find out that God is in control of everything. Why He allows these things to happen. I do not know. But I do know that He is God and I pray that you are saved by Him before you die.

[chadfromdallas]

Chad, I hope you are right.... but somehow I have a feeling one day, and I hope it is not too late, you are going to find out that God is in control of everything. Why He allows these things to happen. I do not know. But I do know that He is God and I pray that you are saved by Him before you die.

Ugh...I hate that. I really do.

I hope one day that you too can accept science into your heart and get rid of that nonsense. I really do. I'll study for you and hope that you can contact me soon to learn the ways of the natural world :rotfl: I'll....umm, cross my fingers. I hope its not too late for you to learn :(

[J&L Love Disney]

I have a wonderful suggestion!

Why don't we end this thread and debate it at a later time. YOU CAN ARGUE LATER ABOUT WHO'S TO BLAME AND IF THERE IS A GOD.....PEOPLE ARE DYING AND WITHOUT HOMES. GET A GRIP!!!!

Right now, my fellow Louisiana residents need your help. Please take this passion you have for your feeling on this matter and go to www.redcross.org or your local red cross office.

If you are christian go to your church and put together a drive to help those who have lost everything. If you are not, help out anyway you can because you are human.

[chadfromdallas]

Why don't we end this thread and debate it at a later time. YOU CAN ARGUE LATER ABOUT WHO'S TO BLAME AND IF THERE IS A GOD.....PEOPLE ARE DYING AND WITHOUT HOMES. GET A GRIP!!!!


When's a good time to? :confused3 Calm....

[J&L Love Disney]

I'm through with this thread.

You people just don't get it. You have no idea how bad things are here in south Louisiana. All I have asked is both sides to quit fighting for a while and concentrate on helping. I'd like to at least see positive threads asking people here if they need help.

Also, do you really think you are going to change the other person's mind?

Go ahead and keep wallowing.

[babar]

I'm through with this thread.

You people just don't get it. You have no idea how bad things are here in south Louisiana. All I have asked is both sides to quit fighting for a while and concentrate on helping. I'd like to at least see positive threads asking people here if they need help.

Also, do you really think you are going to change the other person's mind?

Go ahead and keep wallowing.

everyone is helping with what they can. do you suggest i get in my car and drive down there? 'cause otherwise there isn't much else for me to do besides what i've already done. so people are allowed to sit and vent their frustrations on a stupid message board if they want to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

not trying to sound like I don't care, sorry.

[auntpolly]

Fun times on the community board!

[babar]

Chad, I hope you are right.... but somehow I have a feeling one day, and I hope it is not too late, you are going to find out that God is in control of everything. Why He allows these things to happen. I do not know. But I do know that He is God and I pray that you are saved by Him before you die.

That is so obnoxious and condescending to "pray for someone to be saved."

and by the way, I'm Catholic, so I'll be allowed in heaven before anyone!! ;) :rotfl:

[J&L Love Disney]

Gosh, I never suggested that no one should vent. I was just trying to point out that there are more important things right now. I guess I didn't do it right.

How mean and ugly your post was. It has upset me terribly. What happened to the nice people on the boards. I don't know if you read my previous posts, but I live in the south Louisiana area and my family has been devasted.

I guess I don't have anything else to say in this thread. Obviously it's not for me.

[Charade]

We have thumbed our nose at Nature repeatedly, building below sea-level, building on fault lines, building on the side of mountains prone to avalanches, deforesting the oxygen-generating rain forests, filling the atmosphere with pollutants, etc. The natural world is sacred, yet we interact with it so cavalierly, and then act surprised when it is not conforming to our specifications and expectations.


Ummm... who does that?

[babar]

Gosh, I never suggested that no one should vent. I was just trying to point out that there are more important things right now. I guess I didn't do it right.

How mean and ugly your post was. It has upset me terribly. What happened to the nice people on the boards. I don't know if you read my previous posts, but I live in the south Louisiana area and my family has been devasted.

I guess I don't have anything else to say in this thread. Obviously it's not for me.


I said sorry in my other post. But my sentiment remains the same. I don't understand why if people are so upset about what other people are doing...then don't come over here.

And please don't try to say that I don't care about what's happened down there.

[auntpolly]

I said sorry in my other post. But my sentiment remains the same. I don't understand why if people are so upset about what other people are doing...then don't come over here.

And please don't try to say that I don't care about what's happened down there.

Don't forget you were wallowing! :tongue:

(I'm losing it, I know.)

[J&L Love Disney]

I have read over my posts and it seems that I have come off that I don't think you have the right to vent your frustrations on the boards. I certainly didn't mean that. I really didn't want to squash anyone's beliefs or right to express them. I guess I was so upset by the anger, disrespect and complete intolerance of other's beliefs on this thread that I got over emotional and didn't express myself in a positive way. I also didn't expect the meanness that has been shown today in this thread. Usually the DisBoard family is a wonderful place to be.

I am indeed over emotional. My family has been devastated. Several family members have lost their homes, my city has almost doubled in size in a week creating many difficult problems, my special needs son is not understanding what has happened and is reacting badly and I can't find gas for my car. I hope you can understand my frustration and accept my apology.

I do ask though that people remember to be civil to each other, especially during this crisis in our country. Everyone has the right to believe what they want, but they shouldn't disrespect others and be outright mean.

Please keep my family and all of those in Louisiana and Mississippi in your good thoughts or prayers (whichever you chose).


Lisa

[Aidensmom]

The people of Tampa better get right with God. I was told that it's just as vulnerable as NO, if not more so, given there are more people there.

:confused3 When did Tampa sink below sea level? The devastation would not be nearly the same. I lived here during hurricane Charlie, which was expected to make landfall here. We all were quite prepared. We know what to expect. And our local and state governments are on the ball because hurricanes in FL are really not all that unusual.

And we are right with God here anyway, He did let the Bucs win the superbowl a couple of years ago. :earboy2:

[auntpolly]

:confused3 When did Tampa sink below sea level? The devastation would not be nearly the same. I lived here during hurricane Charlie, which was expected to make landfall here. We all were quite prepared. We know what to expect. And our local and state governments are on the ball because hurricanes in FL are really not all that unusual.

And we are right with God here anyway, He did let the Bucs win the superbowl a couple of years ago. :earboy2:

http://www.weather.com/newscenter/specialreports/hurricanes/vulnerablecities/tampa.html

[Aidensmom]

http://www.weather.com/newscenter/specialreports/hurricanes/vulnerablecities/tampa.html


Well, that writer is apparantly referring to the area of FL around Tampa, Tampa is not on the coast. It is not even in Pinellas County, which the article referred to. And Pinellas County (St. Petersburg, Clearwater, etc) does issue its evacuation orders WAY in advance, not 17 hours, but more like 48 hours, to give the people on the barrier islands plenty of time to leave over the limited roads. We even close our schools here in Hillsborough and Pinellas, and most businesses, when a hurricane is anticipated so that people can leave. Like I said, the local governments here are on the ball, this is pretty routine here. The Westshore and downtown areas of Tampa would be well flooded, however those are for the most part business districts, and not residential, so you would not find as many people "trapped" by the hurricanes. Other areas along the bay are also your "richer" areas, so you would not have people unable to leave because they had no transportation. Not to mention there are significantly less people in the Tampa Bay area without transportation than in NO, because we do not have any good form of public transportation, so even most of the "poor" here have a car.

A category 4 or 5 hurricane will wreak havoc anywhere, but NO had its own unique "problems" of being below sea level, needing levees to keep the water out, and a large percentage of the poplulation without its own transportation. Yes, Tampa would have some problems if a category 5 hit here, but we would not have the same problems that NO is having.

[goofygirl]

I happen to watch EWTN, the Catholic network , last night. I hardly watch it. I only left it on because they were discussing Katrina. People were calling on, and one caller was talking about how some were saying the hurricane was "god's punishment" for the way NO people live. The show's host, Raymond Arroyo, said that was wrong and made no sense because NO happend to be a very Catholic city with a lot of churches and groups, etc.

So much for the "god's punishment" theory. People see drunk people at Mardi Gras on the news and they think that the whole city is like that. Wrong!



J & L Disney, you have my sympathy. I don't know what else to say.

[auntpolly]

Well, that writer is apparantly referring to the area of FL around Tampa, Tampa is not on the coast. It is not even in Pinellas County, which the article referred to. And Pinellas County (St. Petersburg, Clearwater, etc) does issue its evacuation orders WAY in advance, not 17 hours, but more like 48 hours, to give the people on the barrier islands plenty of time to leave over the limited roads. We even close our schools here in Hillsborough and Pinellas, and most businesses, when a hurricane is anticipated so that people can leave. Like I said, the local governments here are on the ball, this is pretty routine here. The Westshore and downtown areas of Tampa would be well flooded, however those are for the most part business districts, and not residential, so you would not find as many people "trapped" by the hurricanes. Other areas along the bay are also your "richer" areas, so you would not have people unable to leave because they had no transportation. Not to mention there are significantly less people in the Tampa Bay area without transportation than in NO, because we do not have any good form of public transportation, so even most of the "poor" here have a car.

A category 4 or 5 hurricane will wreak havoc anywhere, but NO had its own unique "problems" of being below sea level, needing levees to keep the water out, and a large percentage of the poplulation without its own transportation. Yes, Tampa would have some problems if a category 5 hit here, but we would not have the same problems that NO is having.

Uh, OK. The Weather Channel wants someone or other to realize they are living in a very vulnerable area. Glad it's not you :confused3 .

My point is there are other areas that might suffer "God's wrath". Not sure what your's is.

[kimmbagley]

:earseek: :rolleyes:
Yup..this is all our fault for not kissing God's golden sandals often enough... (http://www.realtruthmag.org/articles/0305-wawucgu.html)

TOV
My God is not a punishing God.

[Not so Dumbo]

I have read over my posts and it seems that I have come off that I don't think you have the right to vent your frustrations on the boards. I certainly didn't mean that. I really didn't want to squash anyone's beliefs or right to express them. I guess I was so upset by the anger, disrespect and complete intolerance of other's beliefs on this thread that I got over emotional and didn't express myself in a positive way. I also didn't expect the meanness that has been shown today in this thread. Usually the DisBoard family is a wonderful place to be.

I am indeed over emotional. My family has been devastated. Several family members have lost their homes, my city has almost doubled in size in a week creating many difficult problems, my special needs son is not understanding what has happened and is reacting badly and I can't find gas for my car. I hope you can understand my frustration and accept my apology.

I do ask though that people remember to be civil to each other, especially during this crisis in our country. Everyone has the right to believe what they want, but they shouldn't disrespect others and be outright mean.

Please keep my family and all of those in Louisiana and Mississippi in your good thoughts or prayers (whichever you chose).


Lisa

Lisa I am sorry for time of hardship right now. You will be in my thoughts and prayers. I can only imagine the difficulties you are going through. I don't mean to argue or even vent, people can mock me or even George Bush, but when someone degrades or mocks my God I have to defend him.

[auntpolly]

Well, that writer is apparantly referring to the area of FL around Tampa, Tampa is not on the coast. It is not even in Pinellas County, which the article referred to. And Pinellas County (St. Petersburg, Clearwater, etc) does issue its evacuation orders WAY in advance, not 17 hours, but more like 48 hours, to give the people on the barrier islands plenty of time to leave over the limited roads. We even close our schools here in Hillsborough and Pinellas, and most businesses, when a hurricane is anticipated so that people can leave. Like I said, the local governments here are on the ball, this is pretty routine here. The Westshore and downtown areas of Tampa would be well flooded, however those are for the most part business districts, and not residential, so you would not find as many people "trapped" by the hurricanes. Other areas along the bay are also your "richer" areas, so you would not have people unable to leave because they had no transportation. Not to mention there are significantly less people in the Tampa Bay area without transportation than in NO, because we do not have any good form of public transportation, so even most of the "poor" here have a car.

A category 4 or 5 hurricane will wreak havoc anywhere, but NO had its own unique "problems" of being below sea level, needing levees to keep the water out, and a large percentage of the poplulation without its own transportation. Yes, Tampa would have some problems if a category 5 hit here, but we would not have the same problems that NO is having.

Wait, did you even read the article? You think the Weather Channel is wrong?

[ghattem]

I can't say what I am thinking as it might get me in trouble. So let me say that it is so sad to see how stupid some people are. I bet God is getting tired of being blamed!

I have to agree with you that saying what I really think would get me into too much trouble on this one. However, what I really want to tell ericamanda01, and this is completely off topic, is that the picture of Mason in your signature is just too cute! That also inspired me to add pictures of my own 'little angels' to my signature. As you can see I'm somewhat biased on this one.

[Aidensmom]

Uh, OK. The Weather Channel wants someone or other to realize they are living in a very vulnerable area. Glad it's not you :confused3 .

My point is there are other areas that might suffer "God's wrath". Not sure what your's is.

My point is that a hurricane is NOT "God's wrath." Said way long ago earlier on this thread. And the fact that the devastation is NO is as bad is at is has to do with many "earthly" things that happen to be unique to NO. The fact that people drink and gamble there, as they do in many other places, has nothing to do with it. The devastation there is so bad because of some things like them being below sea level, something that is UNIQUE to that city. You can't compare what is going on there to another city, because the circumstances are not the same. NO did not suffer this devastation because God wanted them to, there were a number of other factors that have nothing to do with God that contributed to the extreme situation that occurred there.

[auntpolly]

My point is that a hurricane is NOT "God's wrath."


Uh, calm down sweetie. We agree about that. It was my point. I making a stab at irony. I just couldn't figure out why you were arguing geography with me.

But no worry! I guess the Weather Channel is wrong!
:confused3

[Aidensmom]

Uh, calm down sweetie. We agree about that. It was my point. I making a stab at irony. I just couldn't figure out why you were arguing geography with me.

But no worry! I guess the Weather Channel is wrong!
:confused3

Sorry, didn't mean to be so argumentative. I would seriously say that the Weather Channel didn't do a lot of research on this one. Just noted that we have a bay, and made the comparison. We are well aware of what could happen here, and it is not quite the same as NO.

[auntpolly]

Sorry, didn't mean to be so argumentative. I would seriously say that the Weather Channel didn't do a lot of research on this one. Just noted that we have a bay, and made the comparison. We are well aware of what could happen here, and it is not quite the same as NO.

OK, if you say so. They have some intersting points about the shallowness of the water and the possibilities of cyclones, and about what would happen if a strong storm actually hit there and what they see as special problems for Tampa, but I guess if you live there you know.

[babar]

I happen to watch EWTN, the Catholic network , last night. I hardly watch it. I only left it on because they were discussing Katrina. People were calling on, and one caller was talking about how some were saying the hurricane was "god's punishment" for the way NO people live. The show's host, Raymond Arroyo, said that was wrong and made no sense because NO happend to be a very Catholic city with a lot of churches and groups, etc.

So much for the "god's punishment" theory. People see drunk people at Mardi Gras on the news and they think that the whole city is like that. Wrong!



J & L Disney, you have my sympathy. I don't know what else to say.

Really. Well that's surprising to me. I have never in my life of 32 years heard that Catholic church say anything like that. And believe me, I'm not a strong supporter of the Catholic church. They usually offer prayers and what not, not place blame.

I'm really, really, surpised at that.

[muffy0110]

this scripture is never used to help us understand that God is not behind
these things. "When under trial let no one say " I am being tried by God".
For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself tried ANYONE"
This applies to all bad things. Sometimes things happen because they do
Ecc. 9:11

[bicker]

Sometimes things happen because they doThat's really it, in a nutshell. As a Panetheist, I find the attributions of this storm to God's "wrath" to be morally objectionable. Storms happen because that's what they're supposed to do -- that is how the reality of our world is.

There is a religious explanation for this catastrophe: It happened because America isn't Pantheist enough: We didn't respect Nature enough to acknowledge that it is at it is and will do as it does, without regard to where we are or what impact there may be on us. We didn't acknowledge our own insignificance in the Universe enough to acknowledge that the events of Time don't order themselves to our advantage or convenience.

Nice chatting with y'all... stay safe. :wave2:

[angey77]

OK, OK, I'll take all the blame!!!!
When I was little and in Catholic school, we had king cake parties. I think I chewed the head off the king cake baby when I got it. I had no idea it was baby Jesus!
I'm sorry for bringing God's vengance upon myself and my fellow Louisianians!

[Miss Jasmine]

But no worry! I guess the Weather Channel is wrong!
:confused3
Actually, I never consult the Weather Channel while tracking a hurricane, except during a hurricane to watch Jim Cantore. Its info is often wrong and not updated (I was flipping around one evening when Katrina was sitting off our coast, it was after 11:00 PM and it still didn't have the 11:00 NHC update, the NHC release that info to weather sources at least a half hour before, other stations were already showing the updated info). I have plenty of other BETTER weather sites.

[JoeEpcotRocks]

That is so obnoxious and condescending to "pray for someone to be saved."

and by the way, I'm Catholic, so I'll be allowed in heaven before anyone!! ;) :rotfl:

You are a Christian (Catholic), but you call praying for someone to be saved as "obnoxious and condescending" ???
:sad2:

[sodaseller]

:confused3 When did Tampa sink below sea level? The devastation would not be nearly the same. I lived here during hurricane Charlie, which was expected to make landfall here. We all were quite prepared. We know what to expect. And our local and state governments are on the ball because hurricanes in FL are really not all that unusual.

And we are right with God here anyway, He did let the Bucs win the superbowl a couple of years ago. :earboy2:
I agree with you. But i was saddened to see in today's Trib that Pat Bean has been directed not to meet with Mayor Iorio to discuss Hurricane preprations, because the County is "in charge.'

[Viking]

Chad, I hope you are right.... but somehow I have a feeling one day, and I hope it is not too late, you are going to find out that God is in control of everything. Why He allows these things to happen. I do not know. But I do know that He is God and I pray that you are saved by Him before you die.
:rotfl2: :rotfl:

[wvrevy]

You are a Christian (Catholic), but you call praying for someone to be saved as "obnoxious and condescending" ???
:sad2:

Actually, I don't think it's the "praying" that was called "obnoxious and condescending"...it's the never ending self-righteous pronouncements of "I'll pray for you" that are obnoxious and condescending.

And believe me, as one who's been on this side of those pronouncements for most of my adult life, I couldn't agree more. There is no difference in someone telling someone else they'll "pray for them" to become a christian than in my telling them that I hope they eventually grow up and stop believing in fairy tales. None.

[AllyandJack]

Actually, I don't think it's the "praying" that was called "obnoxious and condescending"...it's the never ending self-righteous pronouncements of "I'll pray for you" that are obnoxious and condescending.

And believe me, as one who's been on this side of those pronouncements for most of my adult life, I couldn't agree more. There is no difference in someone telling someone else they'll "pray for them" to become a christian than in my telling them that I hope they eventually grow up and stop believing in fairy tales. None.

Me, too! I'm so sick of it. I have a really religious friend. We've been friends since high school. I've been having some health problems and she keeps telling me she's praying for me.....it will work out the way God wants it to work out...blah, blah. I went to a Catholic school for 9 years and it still makes me want to smack her every time she says it.

My best friend and I have both been through the wringer this year. We've come to the conclusion that God - or whomever may or may not be "in charge" has one goal: he/she wants us to beg for his help. When you have that view of God (whether it's temporary or permanent....my friend and I have yet to figure out if we'll feel this way forever) and someone constantly tells you they're going to God asking for help for you, it's really annoying. I don't want you to pray for me. I don't believe that God will make it work out. I do, however, believe in my doctor. Wish me luck....tell me you're thinking about me...but, leave God and prayer out of it.

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Actually, I don't think it's the "praying" that was called "obnoxious and condescending"...it's the never ending self-righteous pronouncements of "I'll pray for you" that are obnoxious and condescending.

And believe me, as one who's been on this side of those pronouncements for most of my adult life, I couldn't agree more. There is no difference in someone telling someone else they'll "pray for them" to become a christian than in my telling them that I hope they eventually grow up and stop believing in fairy tales. None.

Your anti-Christian venom is well known to me.

Nothing self-righteous about telling someone you are praying for them.

[wvrevy]

Your anti-Christian venom is well known to me.

Nothing self-righteous about telling someone you are praying for them.
I'm not anti-christian...just anti-obnoxious jerks that use religion to make themselves feel superior to other people (speaking of the people that wrote that article, of course).

:rolleyes:

[Pete's Mom]

If someone tells me they are praying for me, I take it as a compliment. I don't care if it is to God, Jehovah, Allah, or the tooth fairy. :confused3 Trust me, there are days I need all the help I can get. ;)

As for the the link the OP posted, for every religious extremist, there are also good Christian people out there as well. A good example are the thousands of churches across the U.S. who have not only given time, money, and donations, but have also opened up their homes to victims of Katrina regardless of their race or religious belief (or lack of). :goodvibes

[TnKrBeLlA012]

I read the article and believe to some degree it's true. I'm Catholic and do not preach to anyone about what they should believe or not. But this world is going in the wrong direction fast. New Orleans is a great example. This world needs to turn itself around for the better. Who really knows why things happen. But I'm sure there is a reason.

[chadfromdallas]

Who really knows why things happen. But I'm sure there is a reason.

There was a reason...its called hurricane season and a city below sea level. See, a hurricane is a natural occuring weather related event that tends to happen around this time of the year. No high power here punishing the evil people of the world...just old mother nature ;)

[TnKrBeLlA012]

Me, too! I'm so sick of it. I have a really religious friend. We've been friends since high school. I've been having some health problems and she keeps telling me she's praying for me.....it will work out the way God wants it to work out...blah, blah. I went to a Catholic school for 9 years and it still makes me want to smack her every time she says it.

My best friend and I have both been through the wringer this year. We've come to the conclusion that God - or whomever may or may not be "in charge" has one goal: he/she wants us to beg for his help. When you have that view of God (whether it's temporary or permanent....my friend and I have yet to figure out if we'll feel this way forever) and someone constantly tells you they're going to God asking for help for you, it's really annoying. I don't want you to pray for me. I don't believe that God will make it work out. I do, however, believe in my doctor. Wish me luck....tell me you're thinking about me...but, leave God and prayer out of it. I had to give my thought on your post. How truley sad. Even a doctor will tell you ''It's in gods hands." Our doctor told us to get all the prayers we could when my father was dying. I didn't beg God for a miracle or to make sure he answered my prayers the way I wanted them to be answered. We have know idea what the bigger plan in life is but to blame God or to not believe in a divine power makes me feel very sorry for you. You also find someone praying for you annoying? All I can say is WOW! Who are you people?????????????

[TnKrBeLlA012]

There was a reason...its called hurricane season and a city below sea level. See, a hurricane is a natural occuring weather related event that tends to happen around this time of the year. No high power here punishing the evil people of the world...just old mother nature ;) Thats a great human answer. I will still question why things happen.

[chadfromdallas]

Thats a great human answer. I will still question why things happen.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/hurricane.htm

and for all those questions you may be having about why things happen...this site could help you mucho much ;)

http://www.howstuffworks.com/

[staci]

I would never take offense when someone offers me a sincere prayer, regardless of their religion. Prayer is very deep and personal for people, and if they will include thoughts of myself and/or my family, I am honored. :flower:


However, on more than one occassion, I have heard people use the term 'I pray for you', and it comes across more like 'I hope you remove your head from your butt and think what I want you to think'. This is very condescending to me.

[Pete's Mom]

However, on more than one occassion, I have heard people use the term 'I pray for you', and it comes across more like 'I hope you remove your head from your butt and think what I want you to think'. This is very condescending to me. Well, it still beats someone telling you to go to hell. :confused3

[TnKrBeLlA012]

http://science.howstuffworks.com/hurricane.htm

and for all those questions you may be having about why things happen...this site could help you mucho much ;)

http://www.howstuffworks.com/ I'm sure I can google just about anything but thats not what this is about. You believe what you want. I'll still stick to what I believe and question. Do I believe when I die I will see the people I love? You bet. I'm sure you have a site for that believe also. Let me see. www. who you really see when you die.com

[chadfromdallas]

I'm sure I can google just about anything but thats not what this is about. You believe what you want. I'll still stick to what I believe and question. Do I believe when I die I will see the people I love? You bet. I'm sure you have a site for that believe also. Let me see. www. who you really see when you die.com

:confused3

I could care less who I see after I die....as I will be dead :rotfl:

I guess you think god drives that computer in front of you, eh? :earboy2:

[jimmiej]

My God is not a punishing God.

I see statements like this quite often here on the Community Board. I'd be curious to know more about your God, if you're willing. I wonder if you're speaking about the God of the Bible or some other.

[staci]

Well, it still beats someone telling you to go to hell. :confused3


Im not sure. It depends how I look at it; to me they are about the same. I would not like anyone wishing me to go there, but I also find false promises of prayer very offensive. It all depends on the situation and the context. As I said before, a genuine offer of prayer is always welcomed in my book. :flower:

[TnKrBeLlA012]

:confused3

I could care less who I see after I die....as I will be dead :rotfl:

I guess you think god drives that computer in front of you, eh? :earboy2: I truley hope your joking? I know now there are many different people out there. Scary! The internet in its true form. What more can I say. I'm speechless.

[chadfromdallas]

I truley hope your joking? I know now there are many different people out there. Scary! The internet in its true form. What more can I say. I'm speechless.

:confused3

Be scared of the atheist ;)

[TnKrBeLlA012]

:confused3

Be scared of the atheist ;)Never! Just sorry for.

[chadfromdallas]

Never! Just sorry for.

:umbrella:

[poohandwendy]

I just have to say (as a Christian), it is not genuine when you say "I'm praying for you" when you are annoyed by someone, you are trying to make them feel guilty about their position, you are thinking of yourself as superior for any reason, you are arguing with someone... basically when you are saying it in anger, frustration or with any other negative attitude.

I think it is offensive, morally and spiritually wrong to use prayer in a not genuine manner or as a weapon, under any circumstances.

[Viking]

We have know idea what the bigger plan in life is but to blame God or to not believe in a divine power makes me feel very sorry for you. You also find someone praying for you annoying? All I can say is WOW! Who are you people?????????????

That's easy to answer: We are the sane people :teeth:

[Viking]

I'm sure I can google just about anything but thats not what this is about. You believe what you want. I'll still stick to what I believe and question. Do I believe when I die I will see the people I love? You bet. I'm sure you have a site for that believe also. Let me see. www. who you really see when you die.com

I don't want to know what you smoke, but I have to tell you that it surely is illegal ;)

[wvrevy]

Never! Just sorry for.

Yeah...You guys are right...This isn't condescending at all... :rolleyes:

[TnKrBeLlA012]

I don't want to know what you smoke, but I have to tell you that it surely is illegal ;) What do I smoke??? What do you smoke is the real question. Because I believe in God and believe we answer to a higher power, or when I die I hope to see my loved ones that means I must be smoking something? This "Disney" board has shown me how different people really are. I just hope this is a small showing of what is out there.

[Miss Jasmine]

I just have to say (as a Christian), it is not genuine when you say "I'm praying for you" when you are annoyed by someone, you are trying to make them feel guilty about their position, you are thinking of yourself as superior for any reason, you are arguing with someone... basically when you are saying it in anger, frustration or with any other negative attitude.

I think it is offensive, morally and spiritually wrong to use prayer in a not genuine manner or as a weapon, under any circumstances.
::yes:: I totally agree. If you were really sincere about praying for them, you would just do it without rubbing it in their face.

[AllyandJack]

I had to give my thought on your post. How truley sad. Even a doctor will tell you ''It's in gods hands." Our doctor told us to get all the prayers we could when my father was dying. I didn't beg God for a miracle or to make sure he answered my prayers the way I wanted them to be answered. We have know idea what the bigger plan in life is but to blame God or to not believe in a divine power makes me feel very sorry for you. You also find someone praying for you annoying? All I can say is WOW! Who are you people?????????????

Actually, my doctor has never once mentioned God to me. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't. It had nothing to do with God. I don't believe there is "someone" watching over me, helping me, creating a "plan" for me. There is no need to feel sorry for me. I trust my doctor and medical science. Whether it works or doesn't work is not in God's hands as far as I'm concerned.

I should clarify what I find annoying. If some random person who doesn't know me says they're praying for me, that's fine. But, I've known this person since high school. She knows how I feel. The fact that she continuously throws God and her praying for me in my face got old well over a year ago.

I'm sure she would find it equally annoying if I constantly told her she's wasting her time with all her praying and church-going. I respect her decision to pray and attend church, but she can't respect my decision not to believe the same as her. We're still friends, but now I keep my business to myself so I don't have to listen to her go on and on about how God is watching over me. I don't believe it and that's the end of that.

[chadfromdallas]

What do I smoke??? What do you smoke is the real question. Because I believe in God and believe we answer to a higher power, or when I die I hope to see my loved ones that means I must be smoking something? This "Disney" board has shown me how different people really are. I just hope this is a small showing of what is out there.

:rotfl2:

Look at it this way:

Because I believe in aliens and believe we answer to the aliens, or when I die, the aliens will take me up in the ship and show me people that I had thought died, but were just abducted means I must be smoking something?