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MossMan
09-02-2005, 06:45 PM
I found the following on andrewsullivan.com. I think it sums up perfectly what so many feel right now. Do youself a favor and read it all:

"I've considered myself a socially libertarian, fiscally conservative Republican for a very long time. I got along with the idea that I wasn't going to get a whole lot of help. College wouldn't be free. Job training would cost money and time. And I'm probably a decent example of up-from-not-much.

But after watching what's happening in New Orleans-an American city that I've loved, visited and have always wanted to return to - I can't ever vote for these people again.

Being a Republican means that you expect the government to do just a couple things for you and nothing else. Build a road. Defend us from enemies, foreign and domestic. Stuff that would be a lot less organized if we all had to do it ourselves. Everything else is just gravy.

And as we poured money into Department of Homeland Security, and the Federal Emergency Management Agency, I thought, "Right on," because some of that money's bound to fall on my head.

Well, something else would fall on my head first.

I work for the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department. And that means that if something really catastrophic happens in MY city, and they ask me to stick around, that's the job. We have A and B teams and I'm a disaster recovery specialist on Team A. I've drawn up plans with names like Drawbridge and Smoldering Crater.

Here's what these people would do for me.

They would leave me there to die.

Look at the facts. There's no coordination on the ground right now. The city has no fresh water, no electricity, no services. The floodwater has so much oil and toxins in it that it's flammable.

In psychology they have what is called a fight-or-flight response. When faced with danger, do you subdue it or do you flee? Some of it has to do with risk assessment, but in this case, there is no flight. There is nowhere to run. So flight means die. If my choice was to pull a pistol on a truck driver or Nat, Jarren, Jayson, or any of you dies, that's no choice at all.

I'm not talking about the looters grabbing big-screen televisions and basketball hoops. I'm talking about the ones that are chest-deep in water carrying bottled water and diapers. You can't tell me for three days to be patient, the bus is coming, and they're piling up bodies in the street median.

We have known that this sort of disaster could occur for a century. Hell, the tour bus driver told me about it on the plantation tour. This means that we have been able to envision the stark reality of this occurring for a week-the newspapers all said the storm would hit New Orleans last Thursday.

A week to get buses? A week to get fishing boats? Trucks? This is the United States! I read someone who said, "All the people who weren't bedridden, or had money, or had cars left. The people that are left had none of those things."

There are people tonight who are going to sleep on overpasses for the fourth straight night. There are prisoners who will do the same. There are people dying at a convention center because no one will tell them that no one is coming for them, and the National Guard is protecting the kitchens. There are police officers who are turning in their badges because they've lost everything, have no guidance, and don't want to be shot by a looter.

There are people tonight inside a concrete domed stadium with holes in the roof and no air conditioning who were told the buses are coming today, and they might, or they might not. There is no food. There is no water. There are bodies floating through the neighborhoods.

In the UNITED STATES.

Some people say that you can't hold the President responsible for this. Oh, yes you can. Because when he looked over at John Ashcroft after the jets hit the towers and said, "I want you to make sure this never happens again," it was not meant to be specific to "no more planes hitting large buildings on the East Coast, right, boss." It was meant that no American should have to run for his life through an American city. While Americans may perish in a senseless, unforeseen disaster, we'd save the ones we could.

And the Cabinet appointees were mushwits and he could barely speak a complete sentence and we're sending people overseas for God knows how long to help people who are indifferent at worst and hostile at best, but they were going to protect us. In 2004, that's all a lot of us needed. Well right now, it's obvious that they can't.

Ask yourself this: What if Al-Qaeda blew up the levees instead of the hurricane? Would the response have been any different?

No. It wouldn't. That city flooded in a day. And if it were Las Vegas, I would have been in some operations center watching people try to decide who gets to starve to death and who gets to get on a bus to Los Angeles or Phoenix. And there would be no certainty that I'd be on that bus in time to protect my wife and kids.

But one thing sure would have been different.

They wouldn't have had a whole week to sort it out and know what's coming. They were supposed to KNOW this already. It will have been FOUR YEARS next weekend since someone probably said, "Hey, what if..."

And for that, the whole stack of them should be fired.

I've had it. I'm done. And if the other bunch of *******s can't figure out that what's important is that babies don't starve to death here (and I'm not talking some metaphorical goo-goo thing with school lunches and welfare, but real, actual starving) and we get people out of harm's way, we'll get rid of them too. And so on.

Because this is about leadership, not about *****ing on CNN how no one's in charge, or listening to Peggy Noonan furrow her brow at the Governor's performance, or bragging that we've sent in one National Guardsman for every 200 people, or actually having the audacity to say that "we had no idea the levees would break."

Today, I saw my country favorably compared to Indonesia and Thailand, (always our traditional benchmarks of infrastructural success) while the elderly die of thirst in the street. We sneered at France when this happened during a heat wave.

No more."

MI mom of 3
09-02-2005, 06:57 PM
Wow!!

pmcpmc
09-02-2005, 07:15 PM
with your view
Thanks for posting that. It's great.

totalia
09-02-2005, 07:58 PM
Wow. Wonderfully said.

I hope something will really change after this. It seems the administration needs a drastic change.

Lisa loves Pooh
09-02-2005, 08:16 PM
and that--is the point!

theSurlyMermaid
09-02-2005, 08:18 PM
Wow, what an article!

Thanks for posting it!

jfulcer
09-02-2005, 08:58 PM
actually having the audacity to say that "we had no idea the levees would break."

Shhhhhh, don't want anyone to know, but the levees were built to withstand category 3 hurricanes and Katrina was a cat 4. Don't let the facts get in the way!!!!

Virgo10
09-02-2005, 09:05 PM
Thank you for posting that.

Tammy1966
09-02-2005, 09:11 PM
I agree with you :earseek:

Cosmic_Charlie
09-02-2005, 09:13 PM
Mother Natures's a B*itc*h aint she

Robinrs
09-02-2005, 09:27 PM
Wow, unreal....

Mai Ku Tiki
09-02-2005, 09:31 PM
Aloha!

And thank you!

Lebjwb
09-02-2005, 09:38 PM
Thanks for posting that Mossman.

It's Bu$h's watch. I'm sick of the apologists making excuses for this bum. They did it on 9/11, they did it on Iraq and they're doing it now.

The Buck stops at the Oval Office. It's loathsome that that coward can't stand up like a man and lead. Instead all we get is a whining simp of a man, his handlers and his boot licking followers, blaming everyone and everything around him.

I run a resort and if the place ever burned to the ground on my watch they'd be coming after me. How far do you think I'd get if I blamed the electricians for faulty wiring, or the guest with a careless cigarette?

I am happy to see some of the Bu$h faithful finally cast aside this swine of a man.

lilbitlate
09-02-2005, 09:44 PM
I posted this on another thread but I believe it is worth copying. I copied this from a blog I found. So be before you go blaming the Republican party, maybe we ought to consider other ignored resources and the possibility of who else should take responsibility. Just a thought... probably easier just to point a finger though. Anyway here you go...

An angry Terry Ebbert, head of New Orleans' emergency operations, watched the slow exodus from the Superdome on Thursday morning and said the Federal Emergency Management Agency response was inadequate. The chaos at the nearby New Orleans Convention Center was considerably worse than the Superdome, with an angry mob growing increasingly violent and few options for refugees to leave the scene.
"This is a national disgrace. FEMA has been here three days, yet there is no command and control," Ebbert said. "We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can't bail out the city of New Orleans."

Ebbert's job is to coordinate New Orleans' response to emergencies. Somebody should show him this picture and tell him to stop blaming everyone but himself:

New Orleans owns those buses. Here's their significance:

I count 205 busses. When I was a kid, I remember that school busses could carry 66 people. If that is still the case, 13,530 people could be carried to safety in ONE trip using only the busses shown in that picture.
One trip.


Houston is 350 miles from New Orleans. At 50 miles per hour, 13,530 people could have reached Houston in seven hours. Turn the buses around. 14 hours later another 13,530 people are in Houston, far away from Katrina's wrath. In a little more than a day's time, you've gotten the poorest people who wanted to leave but couldn't leave on their own out of the city. And you don't have to drive them as far as Houston. It's the closest huge city, but there are lots of smaller towns you could ferry people to more quickly. The shorter the drive, the more trips you can make. Pretty soon 26,000 saved becomes everyone saved. If anyone left behind in the storm survives and then loots, at least they're not endangering thousands of innocent people. Those innocent people aren't there to be endangered. They're somewhere else.

You see, buses have these interesting features on them, Mr. Ebbert, called wheels. They allow buses to move about the streets of a city under the control of a human. Because of their wheels, buses can go to where the people are and offer them a ride. You could tell people to congregate at street corners for easier pickup. Moreover, since the buses are on the road picking up people and moving them out of the city, they're not in the path of the flood when the levee breaks. So you can keep using them to get the few stragglers who managed to survive the storm and the floods. And you can use them to haul in supplies. Troops. Whatever you need.

But since no one mobilized these buses before the storm--ahem, Mr. Ebbert--since no one mobilized them before the storm, the poor in New Orleans had no way of getting out. And now the buses are waterlogged and useless. All 205 of them. They will go on the expense side of the ledger instead of the asset side. That's your fault, Mr. Ebbert. The blame rests with you, sir. You knew the city owned those buses, you knew where to get them, where to fuel them and you probably had a list of the drivers who operate them. Yet there they sit, half submerged.

One emergency manager with half a clue and a couple hundred drivers could have more or less saved New Orleans from turning into Mad Max territory. Terry Ebbert can blame everyone else all he wants, but this crisis is almost entirely his fault.

Now that National Guard and probably true federal troops will be put into New Orleans to quell the violence, and since the city is crawling with journalists and videographers, we're liable to get something on our TVs that will look like a cross between Waco circa 1993 and Tiananmen Square circa 1989. But with the added twist of a racial component. Great.

And it all probably could have been avoided with judicious use of a couple hundred school buses--those inside the frame above as well as the probably dozens of others outside it.

UPDATE: Here's a tight satellite view of the bus lot. It looks to me like there are more than 205 buses there. That's a freeway next to the lot, in the upper part of the frame. It leads to the Superdome in one direction and out of the city in the other.

Here's a link to a wider view, cropped so that the Superdome is in the lower left and the bus lot is in the upper right. They're not that far apart--a mile or two maybe. That view is cropped down from a much larger image, which is here. Fwiw.

I will say this--if the city's emergency planners couldn't figure out that the bus lot, the freeway and the dome make a pretty tight emergency staging and evacuation system all by themselves, those planners are beyond incompetent. Ebbert and his staff should be held accountable for this to the nth degree.

Laura
09-02-2005, 09:47 PM
Shhhhhh, don't want anyone to know, but the levees were built to withstand category 3 hurricanes and Katrina was a cat 4. Don't let the facts get in the way!!!!

Yeah, I knew that. And it's all the more reason why Bush should've had a clue that the levees weren't good enough against Katrina. If it had been a category 5 when it hit, it wouldn't have mattered if the levees broke or not.

lilbitlate
09-02-2005, 09:56 PM
Your right,since the levees were built during his administration, he should be responsible for their viability. No other administation in the past could have done something to correct a problem that didn't exist. Good point!

Free4Life11
09-03-2005, 01:06 PM
Good article.

I run a resort and if the place ever burned to the ground on my watch they'd be coming after me. How far do you think I'd get if I blamed the electricians for faulty wiring, or the guest with a careless cigarette?

That's a perfect analogy.

Free4Life11
09-03-2005, 01:06 PM
Double post.

Tanuki
09-03-2005, 01:29 PM
If it wasn't the Federal Government's job, maybe they should give the taxpayers back their 41 billion dollars.

Free4Life11
09-03-2005, 01:45 PM
If it wasn't the Federal Government's job, maybe they should give the taxpayers back their 41 billion dollars.

THANK YOU! What good is a homeland security department if the states STILL have to ask for help when it is SO OBVIOUSLY NEEDED!

What happens when a nuclear bomb goes off in a major city and all the local officials are killed....do the feds still wait until someone asks them to help?

mickeysaver
09-03-2005, 02:33 PM
There is a cure for a lot of this.....it's not a quick cure.....it will take years to fully realize, but there is a cure.

VOTE THE INCOMPETENTS OUT OF OFFICE!

I am a lesbian. I largely focus on the greater good of my country and my state when I vote. Yes, I have personal issues that I would like to see taken care of that are usually ignored because I tend to try to do the right thing for my country and my state. So, with a heavy heart, I apologize for voting for Bush and mostly Republicans most all of my voting life. I feel like I have let down my fellow man on this one. I am part of the problem because I bought into the idea that things would be better controlled under Republican leadership.

At this point in my life, I have become very upset with my government on a national, state, and local level. I was not even this upset after 9/11, but dangit, the focus of our country has got to change. We have to work on issues at home for a while. We need to stop trying to save the world and save ourselves. I can no longer listen to the war rhetoric and feel that we need to be there. I can no longer listen to the reasons why I should not be allowed to be legally joined with the woman that I have been in love with for the last 6 years because it will harm marriage as it currently exists. I can not tolerate the old boy network anymore. For a all the talk of this being a "Christian" based society, I can not for the life of me see where the real Christians are in my government. I guess maybe I have been brought up with a different Bible in my home and my church. I can't understand how we have homeless people everyday in this country. I can not understand how the big oil and energy companies for years have been allowed to buy the rights to more eco-friendly and non oil based energy sources for our home and cars and just squash the ideas....not put them to use....because it would stop them from doing what they know how to do and what makes them big money. Why the heck are we still buying foreign oil? Why are we so bent on outsourcing our jobs to other lands? Why can't I call for customer support and get anyone in America to talk to anymore? Why are there so few things still made in America?

Dear Lord, if we ever sealed the borders and the ports, we would be screwed. There are not enough farmers growing food here to support us anymore. There would not be enough parts to fix even half the industrial machines, computers, or cars in this country. We have got to make some changes in this country and quick. I fear for my country. America may well be getting a wake up call from God. We must change our leadership, our focus, and our lives if we hope to continue living as a free society in this country. I love my country, but it's time to make a whole lot of changes.

I apologize if this post offends anyone, but I am just so stinkin' frustrated right now, I just have to let some of it out. Aren't you lucky to have been here for it?!? lol Maggie

Free4Life11
09-03-2005, 02:52 PM
Maggie I share your frustaration. I too voted for Bush thinking it would be better for this country and I'm just not feeling that at all right now.