Americans need to support their leader. Like it or not.

[Albertan mom]

I know you don't want to hear this. But you need to quit complaining and slamming Bush, and do what you can to help.

He is not responsible for the hurricane. He is not responsible for the creeps that are looting. He is not responsible for the people that didn't evacuate and died. He is doing all he can. He is bringing in troops, military, police. Canadian troops have been called in.

He is one man. But he is not the only man in the government.
You need to support him. Whether you voted for him or not. Whether you like him as a person or not.

America pulled together after 9-11. You need to pull together now. Sitting on the computer all day slamming Bush isn't helping anybody in New Orleans.

When I see him on the news, he is working his butt off. Have compassion for the man. He is doing the best he can. His heart is breaking just as yours is.
I can guarantee he didn't get any sleep the last few nights, and is working 24 hours a day to address the problems. He has a huge job on his shoulders, and needs your support. Not your criticism.

You think you could do better? You think you would have all the answers? Then get out there and do something about it. But slamming your leader...isn't helping anybody. You are just causing division, bitterness and hurt. Use the efforts it takes to be miserable, and help. Give money. Give blood. Have a fundraiser. Volunteer. Do what you can.

Just a point of view from a Canadian....

[ducklite]

Tell you what--you like him so much, you can have him.

Anne

[kikipug]

You think you could do better? You think you would have all the answers? Then get out there and do something about it. But slamming your leader...isn't helping anybody. You are just causing division, bitterness and hurt. Use the efforts it takes to be miserable, and help. Give money. Give blood. Have a fundraiser. Volunteer. Do what you can.

Just a point of view from a Canadian....

Well said... thank you.

[jellymanoffspring]

Thank you !!! That was very well said!!!

edited to add:thanks was for the OP

[CheshireVal]

Yuck. I will never support that man.

[AuntieM03]

Thank you, well said :flower:

[SplashLover93]

Can i just add he is going to WALK new orleans!~!!!!!! i mean how much more do you want him to do? he is having convoys going into the super dome area. and your all bashing him its not right! and for a person to say that and not be american is saying something! Good job!

[ncbyrne]

Tell you what--you like him so much, you can have him.

Anne
I can't believe you wrote that!! He IS the President. We have him, that's it!
When we vote in an election, it is simply one voice in the sea of millions. When our president sits in power, it is our duty, our right and our privilege to live in America and honor our government powers.

[peachgirl]

Tell you what--you like him so much, you can have him.

Anne

Amen!

Thank goodness you didn't "bash" the President Albertan mom, because you'd have the right coming down on your head like a ton of bricks telling you to mind your own business.

[mallcat]

Well said ! I agree. Everything turns to being political anymore. I can't hardly stand it. We need to concentrate on the task at hand. Instead of the blame game, see what you can do to help. Get out of this political funk, people! Donate, make phone calls, research charities, gather cans of food for food banks/drives, etc. QUIT MAKING EVERYTHING A POLITICAL DEBATE !

It's sad that it takes another country to point this out to us. I just want to say thanks to Canadians, Brits, French, German, Venezualan, Australian and any other country of people who are willing to help us in this time of need. This American appreciates it.

I try not to bash anyone. We all have differences of opinion on any given subject. It's ok to be passionate about something, but there are limits when passion becomes hate. Thanks, Albertan Mom !

[christinadei]

I totally agree. It's a shame that a Canadian has to tell Americans to support their leader. We are a free country, we elected our president and if you don't like him, too bad. You are stuck with him, it's so unpatriotic to bash your own president. No, he's not perfect, but he is our president. He deserves respect and support from all Americans. I normally stay completely out of the political debates, but it just irks me to see so many people constantly disrespecting their president. I didn't like Clinton, but no one ever heard me bash him. I may not have voted for him, but once he was our president, I respected and supported him because of his role in our country.

[ducklite]

I can't believe you wrote that!! He IS the President. We have him, that's it!

That's arguable considering the circumstances surrounding his first presidential election.

Anne

[peachgirl]

When our president sits in power, it is our duty, our right and our privilege to live in America and honor our government powers.

Good God, where do you get this stuff from?

Kindly point me to the spot in the constitution that say it's our duty to honor the "government powers".

Hate to break it to you, but he's not the King.

[JMD]

Very well said.

Its really sad that some people hate George Bush so much, they will use every opportunity they can to bash him. Even at the expense of thousands of dead and homeless in the wake of a major natural disaster.

[christinadei]

I can't believe you wrote that!! He IS the President. We have him, that's it!
When we vote in an election, it is simply one voice in the sea of millions. When our president sits in power, it is our duty, our right and our privilege to live in America and honor our government powers.

Very well said.

[alliecats]

Tell you what--you like him so much, you can have him.

Anne


ITA! Well said, Anne.

No improvements would ever be made in a country, in ANY situation, and this includes America, Canada, anywhere with democracy, if we always accept the status quo and no one ever steps up to question, challenge, or yes, even criticize leadership when leadership (at all levels, here) is shown to be LACKING. And believe me, those who are criticizing are all trying to help in all the ways you mentioned, including the donation of money, volunteering, and giving blood. I don't see how you can assume (because that is exactly what you are doing) that those who are pointing out failures and shortcomings aren't already ALSO doing as much as they can to correct the results of these shortcomings.

I think your comments are meant well, perhaps, but are more idealistic than practical or helpful. Just the point of view of an American.

[CheshireVal]

Hey people, you can't make us like the president. You can try, but I thought we went through all of this after the elections?

You want us to get out and start helping instead of whining about him? Well, tell you what, when I can actually leave work maybe I will. As it is, sitting here in front of the computer, all I can do about the situation is whine and complain.

And if I want to whine and complain about Bush because I think he's an idiot, then that's my right as an American.

[SplashLover93]

Well said ! I agree. Everything turns to being political anymore. I can't hardly stand it. We need to concentrate on the task at hand. Instead of the blame game, see what you can do to help. Get out of this political funk, people! Donate, make phone calls, research charities, gather cans of food for food banks/drives, etc. QUIT MAKING EVERYTHING A POLITICAL DEBATE !

It's sad that it takes another country to point this out to us. I just want to say thanks to Canadians, Brits, French, German, Venezualan, Australian and any other country of people who are willing to help us in this time of need. This American appreciates it.

I try not to bash anyone. We all have differences of opinion on any given subject. It's ok to be passionate about something, but there are limits when passion becomes hate. Thanks, Albertan Mom !
AMEN TO THAT! everything that happens is a political debate! *shakes head*

[eclectics]

Can i just add he is going to WALK new orleans!~!!!!!! i mean how much more do you want him to do? he is having convoys going into the super dome area. and your all bashing him its not right! and for a person to say that and not be american is saying something! Good job!

Not to add to any debate but he is not "walking" New Orleans. He is taking a ariel helicopter tour and then landing at the airport in Kenner. No plans for him to do anything else.

[alliecats]

I can't believe you wrote that!! He IS the President. We have him, that's it!
When we vote in an election, it is simply one voice in the sea of millions. When our president sits in power, it is our duty, our right and our privilege to live in America and honor our government powers.


Exactly! Just like the way Clinton was honored when times got tough, right?

[christinadei]

Well said ! I agree. Everything turns to being political anymore. I can't hardly stand it. We need to concentrate on the task at hand. Instead of the blame game, see what you can do to help. Get out of this political funk, people! Donate, make phone calls, research charities, gather cans of food for food banks/drives, etc. QUIT MAKING EVERYTHING A POLITICAL DEBATE !

It's sad that it takes another country to point this out to us. I just want to say thanks to Canadians, Brits, French, German, Venezualan, Australian and any other country of people who are willing to help us in this time of need. This American appreciates it.

I try not to bash anyone. We all have differences of opinion on any given subject. It's ok to be passionate about something, but there are limits when passion becomes hate. Thanks, Albertan Mom !

YOu are so right. I'm so sick of everything becoming a political debate or a bush bashing excuse. He didn't make the hurricanes, he's doing all in his powers to fix it. He's not God,, he can't snap his fingers and make it all go away. Give him credit for what he is doing and stop blaming him for things that are out of his control.

[JMD]

And if I want to whine and complain about Bush because I think he's an idiot, then that's my right as an American.

That is absolutely true. Its just sad you have to use a major national tradegy to push your political agenda.

[christinadei]

Hey people, you can't make us like the president. You can try, but I thought we went through all of this after the elections?

No one is trying to make you LIKE President Bush, but he deserves your respect. Like it or not, our country elected him.

[C.Ann]

If his response had been immediate, I would support his efforts..

Five days later? I can not - and will not - respect him or his lack of leadership in the face of this disaster.. He is at the TOP.. It is HIS job to have a plan in place that does not take 5 days to swing into action..

The speech he just gave on television was enough to make me vomit.. I have never heard such patronizing lip-service in my entire life..

He is a disgrace.. He has FAILED as the leader of this country..

No - I will NOT support him..

[alliecats]

That is absolutely true. Its just sad you have to use a major national tradegy to push your political agenda.


Bush used the 9/11 tragedy in his platform for reelection to the point that it was noticed and commented on by people on BOTH sides. If you're going to point using a tragedy for an agenda out on this side, please make sure you also address it everywhere else it has applied. Besides, there are a lot of disillusioned Republicans upset with him right now (on these very boards), what agenda are they pushing?

[CheshireVal]

That is absolutely true. Its just sad you have to use a major national tradegy to push your political agenda.

I have no political agenda, really. I just don't like the president and don't think he's handled his job very well-- especially during this disaster.

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

Sorry, but ...in order for him to DESERVE our respect - he would have to first EARN it!

[alliecats]

No one is trying to make you LIKE President Bush, but he deserves your respect. Like it or not, our country elected him.


Respect has to be EARNED.

[sodaseller]

The United States uses democratically elected government, a/k/a popular sovereignty a/k/a consent of the governed. Citizens therefore have not just the right but the affirmative duty to demand that their leaders respond. That will not always occur, consistent with republican principles. But our form of government explicitly contradicts an obeisant attitude to our leaders - that ended with the Divine Right of Kings

[AuntieM03]

I think that everyone has a right to their opinion. They have a right to disdain (or hate) the President. I just think there will be days, months and years that everyone will be able to give their opinion on how this was all handled. It would just be nice if we had less Bush bashing and more solidarity in our grief.

[wdw4us2]

He is not responsible for the hurricane. He is not responsible for the creeps that are looting. He is not responsible for the people that didn't evacuate and died. He is doing all he can. He is bringing in troops, military, police. Canadian troops have been called in.

He is one man. But he is not the only man in the government.
You need to support him. Whether you voted for him or not. Whether you like him as a person or not.

America pulled together after 9-11. You need to pull together now. Sitting on the computer all day slamming Bush isn't helping anybody in New Orleans.

Just a point of view from a Canadian....

Thank you for your kind words. :sunny:

We in the US are fortunate to have neighbors like you.

[Aidensmom]

Everyone has the right to their opinion about the President, and you do not have to like him, but I do believe that whoever is elected should be supported. Thanks OP for reminding us of that.

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

I always liked this:

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

"Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149

[snoopy]

Who are you to tell me what my patriotic duty is? My idea of patriotic duty is to speak out when I feel injustice has been done. There are people dying down there and the President is on vacation? You betcha I'm going to speak out. Sorry you don't like it, but in America, last time I checked, our basic principles were founded on people speaking out against injustice.

[kikipug]

My idea of patriotic duty is to speak out when I feel injustice has been done.

My idea of patriotic duty is to help our fellow Americans... what have each of you done to HELP our fellow Americans in this situation?

[Pete's Mom]

That's arguable considering the circumstances surrounding his first presidential election.

Anne You know, I think you are absolutely right, he didn't win which means

BUSH/CHENEY 2008!!

[sodaseller]

My idea of patriotic duty is to help our fellow Americans... what have each of you done to HELP our fellow Americans in this situation?
That's the point - the urtext of a lot of these thraeds is that these people are NOT "our fellow Americans".

[ducklite]

Sorry, but ...in order for him to DESERVE our respect - he would have to first EARN it!

VERY VERY VERY well said!

Anne

[snoopy]

My idea of patriotic duty is to help our fellow Americans... what have each of you done to HELP our fellow Americans in this situation?

Are you for real????

I don't owe you any explanations whatsoever!!! You have NO RIGHT to judge me as an American or a person, you don't even KNOW ME! Because I oppose the actions our President has taken you feel its YOUR RIGHT to insinuate I have not helped out my fellow Americans????

Un-freaking believable.....the DIS never ceases to amaze me with its smugness. :(

[JMD]

Bush used the 9/11 tragedy in his platform for reelection to the point that it was noticed and commented on by people on BOTH sides. If you're going to point using a tragedy for an agenda out on this side, please make sure you also address it everywhere else it has applied. Besides, there are a lot of disillusioned Republicans upset with him right now (on these very boards), what agenda are they pushing?


Who said anything about 9/11? I don't see how that applies to anything.

9/11 was the defining moment of Bush's presidency and this country. His response to it will be remembered throughout history. Why wouldn't he use that on his platform while running for president. Presidents have always used their military record to persuade voters. Is that using someone else's tragedy to push a political agenda?

[SherryNC]

Wow, I REALLY appreciate your words. :goodvibes It has special meaning coming from someone from a different country. :)

[Alicnwondrln]

Can i just add he is going to WALK new orleans!~!!!!!! i mean how much more do you want him to do? he is having convoys going into the super dome area. and your all bashing him its not right! and for a person to say that and not be american is saying something! Good job!
i sure hes not going near the mob of people
cuz they would tear him apart

[ducklite]

My idea of patriotic duty is to help our fellow Americans... what have each of you done to HELP our fellow Americans in this situation?


Hmmm...I guess I haven't done much.

Anne

[Planogirl]

We have the right to criticize our leadership when we feel that it has failed. It's part of being an American.

NO ONE has the right to tell us that we can't speak up. That's tyranny.

ETA: Anne, you've done a lot! I've marveled at everything you've mentioned alone.

[kikipug]

You have NO RIGHT to judge me as an American or a person, you don't even KNOW ME! Because I oppose the actions our President has taken you feel its YOUR RIGHT to insinuate I have not helped out my fellow Americans????


I asked a simple question... there was no judgement implied... nor was there any insuation that you didn't do something to help.

[Lessa of Pern]

Harry Truman:

"The buck stops here."

our government has failed the victims of the hurricane. Bush, as head of the government, should be responsible for the abysmal failure of our federal government's relief efforts. it is our duty, as Americans, to speak out about this failure and the horrific position our fellow citizens have found themselves in as a result.

if our president calls upon us to do something to aid our fellow citizens in this crisis, of course we should do so. but supporting his efforts does not mean turning a blind eye to his failures.

[Albertan mom]

I didnt start this thread to argue about what Bush has/hasn't done. There are lots of other threads to do that. I just started it to remind you to respect, honor and support your president. He is doing the best he can in the situation.

Like it or not, he is your elected government official. He is not on vacation. He is working behind the scenes, doing all he can. He is on the scene, going to New Orleans to walk through it. (which I would not do in his situation-I would be scared for my life) He is only one man. Lay off him, let him do the job you elected him to do.

Yes, Respect has to be earned, but to be able to respect your leader, whatever the circumstances, only comes with maturity. You may not have voted for him, you may not agree with him, but be mature, and support him.

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

[minkydog]

Tell you what--you like him so much, you can have him.

Anne

You know what? This attitude makes my blood boil. I didn't like Clinton too much, but I never would have made a comment like that. Like it or not, Bush is the president we have and we owe him our support during a national emergency. Get over it. I see you have been tooting your own horn here for several days. Time to get off the seat and get out there, methinks. I'm sure the people of Louisiana would just snap you up. :rolleyes1

[julia & nicks mom]

If his response had been immediate, I would support his efforts..

Five days later? I can not - and will not - respect him or his lack of leadership in the face of this disaster.. He is at the TOP.. It is HIS job to have a plan in place that does not take 5 days to swing into action..

The speech he just gave on television was enough to make me vomit.. I have never heard such patronizing lip-service in my entire life..

He is a disgrace.. He has FAILED as the leader of this country..

No - I will NOT support him..


Until the levees broke everyone thought NO had been spared - the need for such massive relief efforts was not clear at first - once it became clear - the president immediately took action and by Wednesday(less than 24 hours after the situation became dire) had a comprehensive plan set in motion - as another poster said he can't snap his fingers and magically solve the problem.

[LvsTnk]

Sorry, I don't have to support this president and his actions at this time.

I don't know who said he is actually walking NO, I heard one news channel say he would "like to". I wouldn't think that would be a wise decision for him right now.

[Sandy22]

Tell you what--you like him so much, you can have him.

Anne

OH NO! Canada does not want George W. Bush. You elected him...you keep him. Canadians have elected liberals for the past 15 years and I don't see the country changing its social direction any time soon.

But I do think AlbertaMom makes a good point...now is not the time for criticism...there will be plenty of time for that later. Fingerpointing is wasting time and energy...the focus should be on helping those who need it.

[Pete's Mom]

i sure hes not going near the mob of people
cuz they would tear him apart FYI - that mob would tear anyone apart right now. :rolleyes:

[minniepumpernickel]

Until the levees broke everyone thought NO had been spared - the need for such massive relief efforts was not clear at first - once it became clear - the president immediately took action and by Wednesday(less than 24 hours after the situation became dire) had a comprehensive plan set in motion - as another poster said he can't snap his fingers and magically solve the problem.

It's still horrible there, and people are still suffering. How do you explain that? :rotfl:

[wvrevy]

Give me a president worth respecting, and he won't have to ask for support, it will be freely given.

The piece of trash currently in office ? If you like him, you're welcome to him.

[palmtreegirl]

I'm sorry but I don't think it's your place to lecture us on how we should feel, especially when it's done in such a condecending tone. I'd feel the exact same way even if this didn't involve Bush and there was a Democratic President being criticized by Republicans.

[Chicago526]

Teddy Roosevelt (you know, that former President?) said this:

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

"Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
May 7, 1918

[minkydog]

Good God, where do you get this stuff from?

Kindly point me to the spot in the constitution that say it's our duty to honor the "government powers".

Hate to break it to you, but he's not the King.

Uh, well since you brought God into it...God says so. :confused3 In the Bible it clearly says we are to honor our leaders, whether we like them or not. God tells us that He has His hand in every situation and I would not be so bold as to try to decipher this one. I'm not trying to start a religious debate here, but when you post scripture in your signature I assume you have read enough of the Bible to know this part.

[dcentity2000]

How about an end to apologising for incompetence?



Rich::

[sodaseller]

I didnt start this thread to argue about what Bush has/hasn't done. There are lots of other threads to do that. I just started it to remind you to respect, honor and support your president. He is doing the best he can in the situation.

Like it or not, he is your elected government official. He is not on vacation. He is working behind the scenes, doing all he can. He is on the scene, going to New Orleans to walk through it. (which I would not do in his situation-I would be scared for my life) He is only one man. Lay off him, let him do the job you elected him to do.

Yes, Respect has to be earned, but to be able to respect your leader, whatever the circumstances, only comes with maturity. You may not have voted for him, you may not agree with him, but be mature, and support him.

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Psssst - I hear President Bush uses a OUIJA Board

[MosMom]

Personally, I think it was all the criticism of the American people that kicked all of this new aid into gear. Yesterday was a horrible day and when the press started showing human suffering, Americans were enraged and rightfully so. Then all of a sudden...things start happening. The government is employed by US and it is up to us sometimes to get things done. The way we get things done is to voice our disapproval and demand change.

I think if we wait and say "Gee, you guys really sucked at getting water to those people" in 2 weeks....it will be a little late for those people who have died in the meantime.

[ducklite]

We have the right to criticize our leadership when we feel that it has failed. It's part of being an American.

NO ONE has the right to tell us that we can't speak up. That's tyranny.

ETA: Anne, you've done a lot! I've marveled at everything you've mentioned alone.

Thanks, but I actually feel very ineffective this time around.

I'm going to go off topic here...

The animal rescue people are having a terrible time getting into affected areas and setting up evacuation and triage areas just on the outskirts.

The National Guard is allowing the media in to get people hysterical, but isn't allowing trained, experienced disaster vlunteers in to get stranded animals out. They are equipped to handle pretty much any type of domestic animal or livestock, they have probably the largest network of shelters--public, private, and breed specific EVER set up for a situation like this, as well as the transportation chains and vehicles to move these animals, but they can't get in to get them. WHY!!!??!?!?!? The South Eastern Regional Director of HSUS is frustrated beyond belief, and the director of Noah's Wish is beside herself.

Meanwhile, animals are dying and this will only contribute to disease.

Anne

[julia & nicks mom]

It's still horrible there, and people are still suffering. How do you explain that? :rotfl:


did I say it wasn't horrible there? No - the statement was made that if he hadn't waited 5 days she would have more respect for him - I was pointing out that once the situation became dire - he began efforts to put massive aid in place within 24 hours - her statement was false

it doesn't mean that people aren't suffering - it means they are trying but in our society of instant gratification - it just isn't fast enough

[tar heel]

It's my right as an American to think and say that he should be ashamed of himself for not ending his vacation immediately when it became clear that a major hurricane was going to make landfall in the United States. He should have been out of Crawford and back in Washington making sure his administration was preparing for a natural disaster BEFORE the hurricane even hit. And regardless of whether the NO levee system could have been shored up on his watch, the fact that BILLIONS of dollars were going to Iraq when it wasn't being done is certainly a legitimate issue.

I don't support Bush politically, but he surprised me in a good way in the immediate aftermath of 911. That certainly isn't the case this week.

[CarolA]

OK.

I have the RIGHT to complain about my leadership at ANY time.... I am tired of this "you are not a patriot" if you don't complain. We have screwed up and as someone pointed out.. the buck has to stop somewhere... In the Bush White House they want to subsribe to the "Blame anyone but us rule" I am not happy and to be honest... Bill Frist is pretty low on my list... Hope the republicans are not counting on my vote next time around.

And this is going to infuriate Anne, but I am sorry... if the press had NOT been allowed in would we know what is going on.... So I am glad they were let in before the animal folks. I love dogs and cats but I want the effort now on HUMANS!!!!! I am not going to get worked up over the animals right now... let's get real we are treating folks in NO much worse then most of us treat our pets....

[C.Ann]

Until the levees broke everyone thought NO had been spared - the need for such massive relief efforts was not clear at first - once it became clear - the president immediately took action and by Wednesday(less than 24 hours after the situation became dire) had a comprehensive plan set in motion - as another poster said he can't snap his fingers and magically solve the problem.
-----------------

Sorry to disagree, but this disaster is NOT just about NO.. Biloxi has also gone without food and water for an equal number of days.. You can't use "one" area as an excuse for lack of leadership..

[Sk8Leigh]

IMO, it was first and foremost the responsibility of the governments of New Orleans and Louisiana. Bush declared everything disaster areas and got FEMA ready before the hurricane even hit. It was the state and local governments that did a bad job with the plans on what to do (not to mention not trying to do something to improve the whole levee situation in the first place!), and the feds are doing what they can to help. But it is not their primary responsibility!

And for all of you who hate Bush so much and tell us we can have him, well we do, and I'm happy and thankful for it! I just pray he'll be safe if he walks New Orleans. You couldn't get me anywhere near there! It's total chaos!

[sodaseller]

it doesn't mean that people aren't suffering - it means they are trying but in our society of instant gratification - it just isn't fast enough

I don't think that wanting to have food water and medical care within 5 days amounts to a desire for "instant gratification"

[wvrevy]

did I say it wasn't horrible there? No - the statement was made that if he hadn't waited 5 days she would have more respect for him - I was pointing out that once the situation became dire - he began efforts to put massive aid in place within 24 hours - her statement was false

it doesn't mean that people aren't suffering - it means they are trying but in our society of instant gratification - it just isn't fast enough
I hate to tell you...no, wait, I don't...but people have been predicting this exact scenario for years if a major hurricane hit the New Orleans area. Where were the preperations ahead of the storm ?

[ElleBelle]

[QUOTE=CheshireVal]You want us to get out and start helping instead of whining about him? Well, tell you what, when I can actually leave work maybe I will.

Amen to that! As a nurse, I have found nothing positive that has come under the Bush administration. (I.E. MANDATORY OVERTIME :Pinkbounc)

My personal feeling is that enough is enough. We are losing our men, time, supplies and money overseas in Iraq, when we have people now in our own country that need all of those things. There are people dying in our very own states, yet part of the main focus seems to be on gas prices??????!!!!!???? Give me a break people! If you think Bush is concerned with the well-being of the people in Louisiana and Mississippi more than he is concerned with the well being of his relations with those who supply our crude oil, you have something else coming. Politics are politics.

Since 9/11 all that our president- "our leader"- has promised us is that we as a country are more prepared for disaster than ever. Obviously, this is false.
So the next time your talking about "how much safer you feel since 9/11"- just think back to how well our government responded to all the victims of hurricane katrina, and remember to kiss your behind goodbye if there is ever another terrorist attack on US soil.

All things said, I do believe we have a beautiful country full of beautiful and truly kind-hearted people. Our focus is just in the wrong areas.

[sodaseller]

. But it is not their primary responsibility!


It is in the reality based world. And FEMA was not ready - FEMA's director wan't even aware of the Convention Center

[JoeEpcotRocks]

We have the right to criticize our leadership when we feel that it has failed. It's part of being an American.

NO ONE has the right to tell us that we can't speak up. That's tyranny.

ETA: Anne, you've done a lot! I've marveled at everything you've mentioned alone.

Tyranny - what a laugh.

Of course you have the right to speak up. But, all the Bush bashing on the DIS never ceases to amaze me. Some people are still carping on the 2000 election.

There are so many details we do not know yet - especially communication issues by local, state, and federal agencies.

We could be yelling our "I told you so's" on building a major city below sea level near large bodies of water in a hurricane area too, but what good would that do.

Now is the time for support and unity and prayer. It is so easy to be a critic. I grew up on a Mississippi town, too. When it flooded, we didn't blame the President.

[wvrevy]

IMO, it was first and foremost the responsibility of the governments of New Orleans and Louisiana. Bush declared everything disaster areas and got FEMA ready before the hurricane even hit. It was the state and local governments that did a bad job with the plans on what to do (not to mention not trying to do something to improve the whole levee situation in the first place!), and the feds are doing what they can to help. But it is not their primary responsibility!

And for all of you who hate Bush so much and tell us we can have him, well we do, and I'm happy and thankful for it! I just pray he'll be safe if he walks New Orleans. You couldn't get me anywhere near there! It's total chaos!

The local and state governments are nowhere near equipped to deal with a problem of this magnitude ! Not even close.

Just another Bush fan trying to make excuses. The man is incompetant. Period.

[C.Ann]

did I say it wasn't horrible there? No - the statement was made that if he hadn't waited 5 days she would have more respect for him - I was pointing out that once the situation became dire - he began efforts to put massive aid in place within 24 hours - her statement was false
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If you are referring to my statement, it certainly is NOT false.. Your analysis of the situation is based solely on what happened in ONE area - NO.. It has been reported that there is 560 miles of devastation - FAR from the levees..

Where was the President? He was on vacation.. TODAY he announces that the relief efforts don't seem to be "sufficient".. I hope the dead and dying can hear that.. It will be a great comfort to them, I'm sure..

[ducklite]

And this is going to infuriate Anne, but I am sorry... if the press had NOT been allowed in would we know what is going on.... So I am glad they were let in before the animal folks. I love dogs and cats but I want the effort now on HUMANS!!!!! I am not going to get worked up over the animals right now... let's get real we are treating folks in NO much worse then most of us treat our pets....

I have no problem with the prss being in there, my problem is that they are allowing them in but won't allow trained volunteers from recognized agencies in to areas which are not dangerous in MS and AL and "safe" parts of LA. Unless you want people grabbed with a safety pole, loaded into a crate, fed hay, and moved to a kennel, not sure how animal rescue folks could help people. These people have a proven track record of safely and effectively working disasters, its' not they are renegades.

Anne

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I'll stop complainign about him when the last child is picked up---or when he starts eating MRE's until rescue efforts are completed.

[JoeEpcotRocks]

[QUOTE=CheshireVal]You want us to get out and start helping instead of whining about him? Well, tell you what, when I can actually leave work maybe I will.

Amen to that! As a nurse, I have found nothing positive that has come under the Bush administration. (I.E. MANDATORY OVERTIME :Pinkbounc)

My personal feeling is that enough is enough. We are losing our men, time, supplies and money overseas in Iraq, when we have people now in our own country that need all of those things. There are people dying in our very own states, yet part of the main focus seems to be on gas prices??????!!!!!???? Give me a break people! If you think Bush is concerned with the well-being of the people in Louisiana and Mississippi more than he is concerned with the well being of his relations with those who supply our crude oil, you have something else coming. Politics are politics.

Since 9/11 all that our president- "our leader"- has promised us is that we as a country are more prepared for disaster than ever. Obviously, this is false.
So the next time your talking about "how much safer you feel since 9/11"- just think back to how well our government responded to all the victims of hurricane katrina, and remember to kiss your behind goodbye if there is ever another terrorist attack on US soil.

All things said, I do believe we have a beautiful country full of beautiful and truly kind-hearted people. Our focus is just in the wrong areas.


Yes, more conspiracy theories with a touch of America first thrown in.:sad2:

[peachgirl]

Uh, well since you brought God into it...God says so. :confused3 In the Bible it clearly says we are to honor our leaders, whether we like them or not. God tells us that He has His hand in every situation and I would not be so bold as to try to decipher this one. I'm not trying to start a religious debate here, but when you post scripture in your signature I assume you have read enough of the Bible to know this part.

Ok then..:rolleyes:

You know, I haven't had one liberal comment on my signature, but I've had 4 right wingers do it...why is that? Does it really bother you that much that a liberal Democrat is also religous?

[dcentity2000]

Yes, more conspiracy theories with a touch of America first thrown in.:sad2:

What conspiracy theories?



Rich::

[MosMom]

Tell me Joe, when your town in Mississippi flooded were you supposed to receive federal funding to improve your levee system that was pulled because it wasn't viewed as important as war?

[Planogirl]

And this is going to infuriate Anne, but I am sorry... if the press had NOT been allowed in would we know what is going on.... So I am glad they were let in before the animal folks. I love dogs and cats but I want the effort now on HUMANS!!!!! I am not going to get worked up over the animals right now... let's get real we are treating folks in NO much worse then most of us treat our pets....
The Humane Societies would not be there if animals weren't in need of rescue so saying that they should be dealing with humans only is pointless. The animals need to be removed both dead or alive or conditions will only worsen in NOLA.

[peachgirl]

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Our solution is to get rid of the problem...So, I guess I'm part of the solution, huh?:)

[lyeag]

It is in the reality based world. And FEMA was not ready - FEMA's director wan't even aware of the Convention Center


Neither did the mayor and his police dept was sending people there.

[sodaseller]

Doses of reality Link (http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/12528233.htm)
Bush administration officials said they're proud of their efforts. Their first efforts emphasized rooftop rescues over providing food and water for already safe victims.


"We are extremely pleased with the response of every element of the federal government (and) all of our federal partners have made to this terrible tragedy," Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff said during a news conference Wednesday in Washington.


The agency has more than 1,700 truckloads of water, meals, tents, generators and other supplies ready to go in, Chertoff said. Federal health officials have started setting up at least 40 medical shelters. The Coast Guard reports rescuing more than 1,200 people.



For example, in the 1990s, in planning for a New Orleans nightmare scenario, the federal government figured it would pre-deploy nearby ships with pumps to remove water from the below-sea-level city and have hospital ships nearby, said James Lee Witt, who was FEMA director under President Clinton.


Federal officials said a hospital ship would leave from Baltimore on Friday.


"These things need to be planned and prepared for; it just doesn't look like it was," said Witt, a former Arkansas disaster chief who won bipartisan praise on Capitol Hill during his tenure.


FEMA said some of its response teams were prepared.

[septbride2002]

I didnt start this thread to argue about what Bush has/hasn't done. There are lots of other threads to do that. I just started it to remind you to respect, honor and support your president. He is doing the best he can in the situation.

Like it or not, he is your elected government official. He is not on vacation. He is working behind the scenes, doing all he can. He is on the scene, going to New Orleans to walk through it. (which I would not do in his situation-I would be scared for my life) He is only one man. Lay off him, let him do the job you elected him to do.

Yes, Respect has to be earned, but to be able to respect your leader, whatever the circumstances, only comes with maturity. You may not have voted for him, you may not agree with him, but be mature, and support him.

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

I'm sorry but who are you to tell any of us how to handle the situation. I guess I am amazingly gifted because I can do multiple things at once. I can donate money to red cross - while questioning my leaders. I can gather blankets and used clothing to give to a convoy going down to NO tomorrow - while questioning if more could be done by our govenrment. I can pray for those who are down there, while wondering why it took 4 days for food and water.

Respect is earned. And while I do disagree with some statements regarding President Bush, who the hell are you to tell any of us how to be the proper American?

~Amanda

[Independent]

The United States uses democratically elected government, a/k/a popular sovereignty a/k/a consent of the governed. Citizens therefore have not just the right but the affirmative duty to demand that their leaders respond. That will not always occur, consistent with republican principles. But our form of government explicitly contradicts an obeisant attitude to our leaders - that ended with the Divine Right of Kings
Excellent post!

[JoeEpcotRocks]

What conspiracy theories?



Rich::


Oh, you know the usual Bush and "Big Oil" nonsense.

[sodaseller]

Ok then..:rolleyes:

You know, I haven't had one liberal comment on my signature, but I've had 4 right wingers do it...why is that? Does it really bother you that much that a liberal Democrat is also religous?
Remember, Jesus wants you to be obedient to leaders even if people are dying in the process - that was core part of hismessage

[RC Fan]

Since I don't recall when we Canadians were last 'behind' our Prime Minister, I don't feel it is fair to berate the Americans for having doubts about their President. If Americans have valid, legitimate complaints about Bush, then their concerns should be both voiced and heard.

[septbride2002]

I asked a simple question... there was no judgement implied... nor was there any insuation that you didn't do something to help.

B!S! You know it, I know it, and others on this thread know it. No one owes you any explanation for what they have done. Snoopy and her husband are some of the most caring individuals on this board. Her DH's job is directly involved with protecting the President so maybe you should take a step down and show some respect for people who are actually involved!

~Amanda

[Planogirl]

I'm sorry but who are you to tell any of us how to handle the situation. I guess I am amazingly gifted because I can do multiple things at once. I can donate money to red cross - while questioning my leaders. I can gather blankets and used clothing to give to a convoy going down to NO tomorrow - while questioning if more could be done by our govenrment. I can pray for those who are down there, while wondering why it took 4 days for food and water.

Respect is earned. And while I do disagree with some statements regarding President Bush, who the hell are you to tell any of us how to be the proper American?

~Amanda
Great post! :cheer2:

[peachgirl]

Remember, Jesus wants you to be obedient to leaders even if people are dying in the process - that was core part of hismessage

I'm going to get my Bible and see if I can find the passages that refer to that particular idea...

I'll post it when I find it...

Just in case, don't hold your breath waiting.

[wvrevy]

Oh, you know the usual Bush and "Big Oil" nonsense.
You mean the ones Bill O'Reilley was agreeing with and talking about on his show last night ? (you know Bill, don't you ? That ultra leftist liberal on Fox News ? :rolleyes: ).

[sodaseller]

More reality
Drum (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_09/007026.php) CLUELESS....Could the people in charge of managing the catastrophe in New Orleans possibly be more clueless?


George W. Bush, President of the United States, six days after repeated warnings from experts about the scope of damage expected from Hurricane Katrina: "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees."


Michael Chertoff, Secretary of Homeland Security, following widespread eyewitness reports of refugees living like animals at the Convention Center: "I have not heard a report of thousands of people in the Convention Center who don't have food and water."


Mike Brown, Director of FEMA, referring to people who were stuck in New Orleans largely because they were too poor to afford the means to leave: "...those who are stranded, who chose not to evacuate, who chose not to leave the city..."


Patrick Rhode, deputy director of FEMA, commenting on his agency's performance after four days of steadily increasing urban warfare, deeply flawed coordination, and continuing inability to evacuate refugees: "Probably one of the most efficient and effective responses in the country's history."


Dennis Hastert, Speaker of the House of Representatives, providing needed reassurance to the newly homeless: "It makes no sense to spend billions of dollars to rebuild a city that's seven feet under sea level....It looks like a lot of that place could be bulldozed."


This is beyond belief. What's with these people?




CHRONOLOGY....Here's a timeline that outlines the fate of both FEMA and flood control projects in New Orleans under the Bush administration. Read it and weep:


January 2001: Bush appoints Joe Allbaugh, a crony from Texas, as head of FEMA. Allbaugh has no previous experience in disaster management.


April 2001: Budget Director Mitch Daniels announces the Bush administration's goal of privatizing much of FEMA's work. In May, Allbaugh confirms that FEMA will be downsized: "Many are concerned that federal disaster assistance may have evolved into both an oversized entitlement program...." he said. "Expectations of when the federal government should be involved and the degree of involvement may have ballooned beyond what is an appropriate level."


2001: FEMA designates a major hurricane hitting New Orleans as one of the three "likeliest, most catastrophic disasters facing this country."


December 2002: After less than two years at FEMA, Allbaugh announces he is leaving to start up a consulting firm that advises companies seeking to do business in Iraq. He is succeeded by his deputy, Michael Brown, who, like Allbaugh, has no previous experience in disaster management.


March 2003: FEMA is downgraded from a cabinet level position and folded into the Department of Homeland Security. Its mission is refocused on fighting acts of terrorism.


2003: Under its new organization chart within DHS, FEMA's preparation and planning functions are reassigned to a new Office of Preparedness and Response. FEMA will henceforth focus only on response and recovery.


Summer 2004: FEMA denies Louisiana's pre-disaster mitigation funding requests. Says Jefferson Parish flood zone manager Tom Rodrigue: "You would think we would get maximum consideration....This is what the grant program called for. We were more than qualified for it."


June 2004: The Army Corps of Engineers budget for levee construction in New Orleans is slashed. Jefferson Parish emergency management chiefs Walter Maestri comments: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay."


June 2005: Funding for the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is cut by a record $71.2 million. One of the hardest-hit areas is the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, which was created after the May 1995 flood to improve drainage in Jefferson, Orleans and St. Tammany parishes.


August 2005: While New Orleans is undergoing a slow motion catastrophe, Bush mugs for the cameras, cuts a cake for John McCain, plays the guitar for Mark Wills, delivers an address about V-J day, and continues with his vacation. When he finally gets around to acknowledging the scope of the unfolding disaster, he delivers only a photo op on Air Force One and a flat, defensive, laundry list speech in the Rose Garden.


So: A crony with no relevant experience was installed as head of FEMA. Mitigation budgets for New Orleans were slashed even though it was known to be one of the top three risks in the country. FEMA was deliberately downsized as part of the Bush administration's conservative agenda to reduce the role of government. After DHS was created, FEMA's preparation and planning functions were taken away.

Actions have consequences. No one could predict that a hurricane the size of Katrina would hit this year, but the slow federal response when it did happen was no accident. It was the result of four years of deliberate Republican policy and budget choices that favor ideology and partisan loyalty at the expense of operational competence. It's the Bush administration in a nutshell.

[JoeEpcotRocks]

You mean the ones Bill O'Reilley was agreeing with and talking about on his show last night ? (you know Bill, don't you ? That ultra leftist liberal on Fox News ? :rolleyes: ).

I rarely watch Bill.

(I hope WV has a good football season.)

[ElleBelle]

Oh, you know the usual Bush and "Big Oil" nonsense.

I'm not quite sure how what I said is nonsense. I was simply stating fact. You AND I both know that politics are politics. Just like I said. People are people. Money is what they're about.

I'm entitled to my own opinion and I don't appreciate the sarcasm. :flower:

[sodaseller]

Give them time!

BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4154791.stm) Dec. 26, 0059 GMT Quake hits.
Dec. 26, 0130 GMT Tsunami hits.
Dec. 28, Relief operation begins.
Jan 1. US Aircraft carrier arrives in Indonesia, sending helicopters, heavy machinery, and water purifcation equipment to Banda Aceh.

A Brief Timeline of the Berlin Airlift


June 24, 1948: Blockade of Berlin begins.
June 25, 1948: Berlin airlift begins.
May 12, 1949: Blockade ends.
September 30, 1949: Airlift ends.

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I'm not quite sure how what I said is nonsense. I was simply stating fact. You AND I both know that politics are politics. Just like I said. People are people. Money is what they're about.

I'm entitled to my own opinion and I don't appreciate the sarcasm. :flower:

If you don't appreciate sarcasm, you should re-read your own post.

And above, first you say you were simply stating facts and then you say your entitled to your own opinion.

Yes you can have your opionins and big oil conspiracy theories. Another Bush basher.

[shortbun]

Tell you what--you like him so much, you can have him.

Anne

Yeah, take him. I'm ignoring him. No critique from me. He's not that important. Bye.

[ducklite]

I'm going to get my Bible and see if I can find the passages that refer to that particular idea...

I'll post it when I find it...

Just in case, don't hold your breath waiting.

Hey, if you find it, let me know--I don't quite recall that one in my four years of Catholic HS religious ed.

Anne

[sodaseller]

I'm going to get my Bible and see if I can find the passages that refer to that particular idea...

I'll post it when I find it...

Just in case, don't hold your breath waiting.
It's right here (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/132/story_13245.html)

[C.Ann]

Another Bush basher.
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Well you can count me in too.. I've never been a "Bush basher" before, but I sure as heck am now..

Since 9/11 he has droned on and on about how well this country is "prepared for massive destruction".. How the government will be here to "protect it's citizens".. I was STUPID enough to believe him.. I will never believe another word that comes out of his mouth..

[FionaLovesShrek]

Sorry, but ...in order for him to DESERVE our respect - he would have to first EARN it!

Hmm..I find this sad. My DD once said those words to me RE: an adult she didn't like. I told her that when it comes to people in authority, they do not have to earn our respect, we give it because of their position of authority to us.

[peachgirl]

It's right here (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/132/story_13245.html)

:rotfl:

I forget that not all of us have the same bible!;)

[elmo2wdw]

I totally agree with the OP.....wonderfuly stated!!!

[gina2000]

Local, state and Federal government have failed these people. And you have to start at the top as far as blame is concerned. That's the reality...he gets the glory when things go right and he gets the blame when things fall apart. And quite frankly, this tragedy is a travesty in US history. Our reaction time has been abysmal and our communication has been non existant. Haven't we learned anything since 9/11? And if we've learned it, why haven't we implemented it?

As far as not complaining, people are currently dying overseas to promote the very freedoms we cherish. One of them is freedom of speech. I can't imagine living in an America where I cannot use my voice and my vote to express myself. We have fought for that right and will continue to fight for that right with our last breath. Don't disparage it....you may understand how important it is should it ever be gone.

[Albertan mom]

Hmm..I find this sad. My DD once said those words to me RE: an adult she didn't like. I told her that when it comes to people in authority, they do not have to earn our respect, we give it because of their position of authority to us.

Well said.

[peachgirl]

I told her that when it comes to people in authority, they do not have to earn our respect, we give it because of their position of authority to us.

Hmmm...I was taught to respect adults and to respect authority but I was never told that I had to respect someone regardless of whether they were good or bad.

I was also a child then and as an adult, I am able to voice my opinion regardless of the position and standing of others.
I don't consider that the President has authority over me. I kinda' thought he worked for me.

[SplashLover93]

Hmm..I find this sad. My DD once said those words to me RE: an adult she didn't like. I told her that when it comes to people in authority, they do not have to earn our respect, we give it because of their position of authority to us.
i say amen!

[gina2000]

Unfortunately, that concept doesn't work because we VOTE people into power in this country. Their authority is only derived from our decision.

[C.Ann]

I told her that when it comes to people in authority, they do not have to earn our respect, we give it because of their position of authority to us.
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Hitler was in a "position of authority"..

Saddam Hussein was in a "position of authority.."

I could go on and on.. You might want to rethink that bit of wisdom.. Not everyone in a position of authority deserves respect..

[snoopy]

Local, state and Federal government have failed these people. And you have to start at the top as far as blame is concerned. That's the reality...he gets the glory when things go right and he gets the blame when things fall apart. And quite frankly, this tragedy is a travesty in US history. Our reaction time has been abysmal and our communication has been non existant. Haven't we learned anything since 9/11? And if we've learned it, why haven't we implemented it?

As far as not complaining, people are currently dying overseas to promote the very freedoms we cherish. One of them is freedom of speech. I can't imagine living in an America where I cannot use my voice and my vote to express myself. We have fought for that right and will continue to fight for that right with our last breath. Don't disparage it....you may understand how important it is should it ever be gone.

Thanks Gina, you are always the voice of reason. So very well said. ::yes::

Amanda, thanks for the kind words my fearless little buddy. I love your spunk (and your ability to multi-task). :teeth:

Sodaseller, thanks for the giggle the comic strip provided. :teeth:

[KaitlinsMom]

I think there is a difference between being polite/cordial to someone and having respect for someone -

[JimB.]

It's right here

Ummm. Isn't that a comic strip??


Back to the original spirit of this post, right now the country has to go with who we have in office.

The great thing is that if the nation is not satisfied, in 2008, we can fire every freakin' one of 'em.

I WILL say that if the Presdient finds the effort unacceptable, then so do I. He needs to take a hard look at who HE has hired to do these jobs.

But I'll also say that IMHO, the governments of NO & LA have failed their citizens so badly that it cannot be put into words.

[alliecats]

Hmm..I find this sad. My DD once said those words to me RE: an adult she didn't like. I told her that when it comes to people in authority, they do not have to earn our respect, we give it because of their position of authority to us.


And do you NEVER question or critize those who have "positions of authority" to you? If your boss makes a ridiculous or unfair call at work, you just lie down for it?

[FionaLovesShrek]

Hmmm...I was taught to respect adults and to respect authority but I was never told that I had to respect someone regardless of whether they were good or bad.

I was also a child then and as an adult, I am able to voice my opinion regardless of the position and standing of others.
I don't consider that the President has authority over me. I kinda' thought he worked for me.

Whether he is good or bad is subjective. Do you have children? If your child told you they hated their teacher and defamed their teacher continuously, would you encourage their behavior, or try to teach them that they don't have to like the person in authority, and even though they didn't choose that teacher, they still needed to observe the teacher's position of authority in their life and respect that position. And most of all, would you remind them that the teacher would not be their teacher forever?

[gina2000]

If I meet the President, I won't spit in his eye. Promise.

But I will not give up my right to criticise him or his decisions.

[ducklite]

If I meet the President, I won't spit in his eye. Promise.

But I will not give up my right to criticise him or his decisions.

::yes:: ::yes::

Anne

[crcormier]

I have to respond because this thread made me spitting mad.

This is not about Bush Bashing. This is not about partisan politics. This is about leadership. And the failings thereof.

Regardless of his or our political affiliation, this is a major tragedy and has not been handled well.

Let's review: Last Thursday, Hurricaine Katrina struck Florida, dumped 18 inches of rain.

Friday, it headed out towards the gulf where it was feared that it would strengthen again and head for the gulf coast.

Saturday, it was apparent this was going to happen, the mayor of Louisanna ordered an evacuation.

Monday, the hurricaine hits, major devesation, millions without power and hundreds of thousands homeless. Hundreds feared dead.

Tuesday, the levee breaks, flooding starts in New Orleans. Thousands feared dead. The President goes to California to talk about Iraq. Told he needs to cut his vacation short but returns to Crawford for one more night. Chief of Policy is also in Crawford and goes out that night to thank the anti-Sheehan protestors.

Wednesday. Chaos breaks in New Orleans, flooding continues. Bodies are lying out in the open. Food and water running out. President goes back to Washington. Vice-president is still on vacation, his aide says that "he will be returning back to Washington, but we're not sure when." Mayor says suppiles are gone.

Thursday. Widespread looting and rapes in New Orleans. Gunfights break out. President says he will visit the area on Friday. Secretary of State goes to a Broadway show. Mayor begs for help. Oil prices skyrocket in gouging across the country. Senate passes emergency aid at 11PM.

Friday. Tens of thousands feared dead. Mayor states there are likely 50,000 still trapped on rooftops. President finally arrives in New Orleans to tour the area. House to convene to approve aid.

I left names out because to me this is not about who it is or what party they belong to. This is a DISGRACEFUL response. Any other President in my lifetime; Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford or Richard Nixon would have cut their vacation short back when they were told that a CATEGORY 5 hurricaine was about to hit the country.

So no, this is not about political sides, this is not about 'Bush Bashing'. I do not follow the President blindly because HE, AND THE TEAM HE PUTS TOGETHER, WORK FOR US. It is NOT the other way around. He is hired to be our LEADER. And he failed at his job miserably this week. So damned right if I'm going to call MY EMPLOYEE on the carpet for failing at his job, while people are suffering and dying. I will donate whatever I can to assist these people that have been hurt by this tragedy. But these people we hired, OUR EMPLOYEES, to be in charge of things like this, can and SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE, because Democrat or Republican, I don't EVER want to see innocent Americans suffer because our government could not get it together!

[CheshireVal]

Whether he is good or bad is subjective. Do you have children? If your child told you they hated their teacher and defamed their teacher continuously, would you encourage their behavior, or try to teach them that they don't have to like the person in authority, and even though they didn't choose that teacher, they still needed to observe the teacher's position of authority in their life and respect that position. And most of all, would you remind them that the teacher would not be their teacher forever?

I'm not sure that's an accurate analogy. There is a difference between children and adults.

[peachgirl]

Whether he is good or bad is subjective. Do you have children? If your child told you they hated their teacher and defamed their teacher continuously, would you encourage their behavior, or try to teach them that they don't have to like the person in authority, and even though they didn't choose that teacher, they still needed to observe the teacher's position of authority in their life and respect that position. And most of all, would you remind them that the teacher would not be their teacher forever?

Comparing President Bush and the respect I should have for him to the respect a child should have for a teacher makes no sense.

I don't have children, but I am a teacher so if I did have a child who hated a teacher I would find out why. If I thought their reasons were valid, I'd take action. If I thought they weren't, I'd insist that the child behave.

The days of telling children that they must respect adults no matter what the circumstances are long gone.

Then again, I'm not a child and I can evaluate on my own whether or not anyone deserves my respect. In this case, Bush does not. If you think he does, great! You can bow down to him everytime he pops up on television for all I care. Just don't tell me who I should or should not respect.

[ducklite]

I have to respond because this thread made me spitting mad.

This is not about Bush Bashing. This is not about partisan politics. This is about leadership. And the failings thereof.

Regardless of his or our political affiliation, this is a major tragedy and has not been handled well.

Let's review: Last Thursday, Hurricaine Katrina struck Florida, dumped 18 inches of rain.

Friday, it headed out towards the gulf where it was feared that it would strengthen again and head for the gulf coast.

Saturday, it was apparent this was going to happen, the mayor of Louisanna ordered an evacuation.

Monday, the hurricaine hits, major devesation, millions without power and hundreds of thousands homeless. Hundreds feared dead.

Tuesday, the levee breaks, flooding starts in New Orleans. Thousands feared dead. The President goes to California to talk about Iraq. Told he needs to cut his vacation short but returns to Crawford for one more night. Chief of Policy is also in Crawford and goes out that night to thank the anti-Sheehan protestors.

Wednesday. Chaos breaks in New Orleans, flooding continues. Bodies are lying out in the open. Food and water running out. President goes back to Washington. Vice-president is still on vacation, his aide says that "he will be returning back to Washington, but we're not sure when." Mayor says suppiles are gone.

Thursday. Widespread looting and rapes in New Orleans. Gunfights break out. President says he will visit the area on Friday. Secretary of State goes to a Broadway show. Mayor begs for help. Oil prices skyrocket in gouging across the country. Senate passes emergency aid at 11PM.

Friday. Tens of thousands feared dead. Mayor states there are likely 50,000 still trapped on rooftops. President finally arrives in New Orleans to tour the area. House to convene to approve aid.

I left names out because to me this is not about who it is or what party they belong to. This is a DISGRACEFUL response. Any other President in my lifetime; Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford or Richard Nixon would have cut their vacation short back when they were told that a CATEGORY 5 hurricaine was about to hit the country.

So no, this is not about political sides, this is not about 'Bush Bashing'. I do not follow the President blindly because HE WORKS FOR US. It is NOT the other way around. He is hired to be our LEADER. And he failed at his job miserably this week. So damned right if I'm going to call MY EMPLOYEE on the carpet for failing at his job, while people are suffering and dying. I will donate whatever I can to assist these people that have been hurt by this tragedy. But the man we hired, OUR EMPLOYEE, to be in charge of things like this, can and SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE, because Democrat or Republican, I don't EVER want to see innocent Americans suffer because our government could not get it together!

That is one of the most intelligent, well spoken, logical posts I have ever read on the DIS. You have put into the words the sentiments that I have been feeling for the past week. I'm grateful to you.

Anne

[C.Ann]

I have to respond because this thread made me spitting mad.

So no, this is not about political sides, this is not about 'Bush Bashing'. I do not follow the President blindly because HE, AND THE TEAM HE PUTS TOGETHER, WORK FOR US. It is NOT the other way around. He is hired to be our LEADER. And he failed at his job miserably this week. So damned right if I'm going to call MY EMPLOYEE on the carpet for failing at his job, while people are suffering and dying. I will donate whatever I can to assist these people that have been hurt by this tragedy. But these people we hired, OUR EMPLOYEES, to be in charge of things like this, can and SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE, because Democrat or Republican, I don't EVER want to see innocent Americans suffer because our government could not get it together!
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Excellent post!!!

[septbride2002]

Hmm..I find this sad. My DD once said those words to me RE: an adult she didn't like. I told her that when it comes to people in authority, they do not have to earn our respect, we give it because of their position of authority to us.


Um, yea. I'm sorry but I'll teach my children that respect is earned. I would also be afraid that telling a child to respect authority would lead to problems down the road should a dangerous person ever get around your child.

I tell my boss when I think something is unethical.
I tell my mother when I think she is being ridiculous.
I tell my brother to get off his butt and get a better job.

I respect all these people - but I don't lie down when I know something is wrong.

Respect is earned. No one has the authority to tell me otherwise.

~Amanda

[Christine]

I have to respond because this thread made me spitting mad.

This is not about Bush Bashing. This is not about partisan politics. This is about leadership. And the failings thereof.

Regardless of his or our political affiliation, this is a major tragedy and has not been handled well.

Let's review: Last Thursday, Hurricaine Katrina struck Florida, dumped 18 inches of rain.

Friday, it headed out towards the gulf where it was feared that it would strengthen again and head for the gulf coast.

Saturday, it was apparent this was going to happen, the mayor of Louisanna ordered an evacuation.

Monday, the hurricaine hits, major devesation, millions without power and hundreds of thousands homeless. Hundreds feared dead.

Tuesday, the levee breaks, flooding starts in New Orleans. Thousands feared dead. The President goes to California to talk about Iraq. Told he needs to cut his vacation short but returns to Crawford for one more night. Chief of Policy is also in Crawford and goes out that night to thank the anti-Sheehan protestors.

Wednesday. Chaos breaks in New Orleans, flooding continues. Bodies are lying out in the open. Food and water running out. President goes back to Washington. Vice-president is still on vacation, his aide says that "he will be returning back to Washington, but we're not sure when." Mayor says suppiles are gone.

Thursday. Widespread looting and rapes in New Orleans. Gunfights break out. President says he will visit the area on Friday. Secretary of State goes to a Broadway show. Mayor begs for help. Oil prices skyrocket in gouging across the country. Senate passes emergency aid at 11PM.

Friday. Tens of thousands feared dead. Mayor states there are likely 50,000 still trapped on rooftops. President finally arrives in New Orleans to tour the area. House to convene to approve aid.

I left names out because to me this is not about who it is or what party they belong to. This is a DISGRACEFUL response. Any other President in my lifetime; Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford or Richard Nixon would have cut their vacation short back when they were told that a CATEGORY 5 hurricaine was about to hit the country.

So no, this is not about political sides, this is not about 'Bush Bashing'. I do not follow the President blindly because HE, AND THE TEAM HE PUTS TOGETHER, WORK FOR US. It is NOT the other way around. He is hired to be our LEADER. And he failed at his job miserably this week. So damned right if I'm going to call MY EMPLOYEE on the carpet for failing at his job, while people are suffering and dying. I will donate whatever I can to assist these people that have been hurt by this tragedy. But these people we hired, OUR EMPLOYEES, to be in charge of things like this, can and SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE, because Democrat or Republican, I don't EVER want to see innocent Americans suffer because our government could not get it together!

Couldn't have said it better myself. This is not about "Bush Bashing" because I am certainly no Democrat. This is about poor leadership in this incident.

[eclectics]

I have to respond because this thread made me spitting mad.

This is not about Bush Bashing. This is not about partisan politics. This is about leadership. And the failings thereof.

Regardless of his or our political affiliation, this is a major tragedy and has not been handled well.

Let's review: Last Thursday, Hurricaine Katrina struck Florida, dumped 18 inches of rain.

Friday, it headed out towards the gulf where it was feared that it would strengthen again and head for the gulf coast.

Saturday, it was apparent this was going to happen, the mayor of Louisanna ordered an evacuation.

Monday, the hurricaine hits, major devesation, millions without power and hundreds of thousands homeless. Hundreds feared dead.

Tuesday, the levee breaks, flooding starts in New Orleans. Thousands feared dead. The President goes to California to talk about Iraq. Told he needs to cut his vacation short but returns to Crawford for one more night. Chief of Policy is also in Crawford and goes out that night to thank the anti-Sheehan protestors.

Wednesday. Chaos breaks in New Orleans, flooding continues. Bodies are lying out in the open. Food and water running out. President goes back to Washington. Vice-president is still on vacation, his aide says that "he will be returning back to Washington, but we're not sure when." Mayor says suppiles are gone.

Thursday. Widespread looting and rapes in New Orleans. Gunfights break out. President says he will visit the area on Friday. Secretary of State goes to a Broadway show. Mayor begs for help. Oil prices skyrocket in gouging across the country. Senate passes emergency aid at 11PM.

Friday. Tens of thousands feared dead. Mayor states there are likely 50,000 still trapped on rooftops. President finally arrives in New Orleans to tour the area. House to convene to approve aid.

I left names out because to me this is not about who it is or what party they belong to. This is a DISGRACEFUL response. Any other President in my lifetime; Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford or Richard Nixon would have cut their vacation short back when they were told that a CATEGORY 5 hurricaine was about to hit the country.

So no, this is not about political sides, this is not about 'Bush Bashing'. I do not follow the President blindly because HE, AND THE TEAM HE PUTS TOGETHER, WORK FOR US. It is NOT the other way around. He is hired to be our LEADER. And he failed at his job miserably this week. So damned right if I'm going to call MY EMPLOYEE on the carpet for failing at his job, while people are suffering and dying. I will donate whatever I can to assist these people that have been hurt by this tragedy. But these people we hired, OUR EMPLOYEES, to be in charge of things like this, can and SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE, because Democrat or Republican, I don't EVER want to see innocent Americans suffer because our government could not get it together!

Excellent Post... Thank you

[Feralpeg]

I have to respond because this thread made me spitting mad.

This is not about Bush Bashing. This is not about partisan politics. This is about leadership. And the failings thereof.

Regardless of his or our political affiliation, this is a major tragedy and has not been handled well.

Let's review: Last Thursday, Hurricaine Katrina struck Florida, dumped 18 inches of rain.

Friday, it headed out towards the gulf where it was feared that it would strengthen again and head for the gulf coast.

Saturday, it was apparent this was going to happen, the mayor of Louisanna ordered an evacuation.

Monday, the hurricaine hits, major devesation, millions without power and hundreds of thousands homeless. Hundreds feared dead.

Tuesday, the levee breaks, flooding starts in New Orleans. Thousands feared dead. The President goes to California to talk about Iraq. Told he needs to cut his vacation short but returns to Crawford for one more night. Chief of Policy is also in Crawford and goes out that night to thank the anti-Sheehan protestors.

Wednesday. Chaos breaks in New Orleans, flooding continues. Bodies are lying out in the open. Food and water running out. President goes back to Washington. Vice-president is still on vacation, his aide says that "he will be returning back to Washington, but we're not sure when." Mayor says suppiles are gone.

Thursday. Widespread looting and rapes in New Orleans. Gunfights break out. President says he will visit the area on Friday. Secretary of State goes to a Broadway show. Mayor begs for help. Oil prices skyrocket in gouging across the country. Senate passes emergency aid at 11PM.

Friday. Tens of thousands feared dead. Mayor states there are likely 50,000 still trapped on rooftops. President finally arrives in New Orleans to tour the area. House to convene to approve aid.

I left names out because to me this is not about who it is or what party they belong to. This is a DISGRACEFUL response. Any other President in my lifetime; Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford or Richard Nixon would have cut their vacation short back when they were told that a CATEGORY 5 hurricaine was about to hit the country.

So no, this is not about political sides, this is not about 'Bush Bashing'. I do not follow the President blindly because HE, AND THE TEAM HE PUTS TOGETHER, WORK FOR US. It is NOT the other way around. He is hired to be our LEADER. And he failed at his job miserably this week. So damned right if I'm going to call MY EMPLOYEE on the carpet for failing at his job, while people are suffering and dying. I will donate whatever I can to assist these people that have been hurt by this tragedy. But these people we hired, OUR EMPLOYEES, to be in charge of things like this, can and SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE, because Democrat or Republican, I don't EVER want to see innocent Americans suffer because our government could not get it together!

Thank you for stating what some many of are thinking!

[Albertan mom]

Hear it is, respect the govenment

Romans 13

1-Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2-Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God is institiuted, and those who do so will bring judgement on themselves.

5-Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishmentbut also because of your conscience.



The govenment tries to do what is right, but the people stil rebel...

2 Chronicles 27:2--He did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, just as his father Uzziah has done, but unlike him, he did not enter the temple of the Lord. The people however, continued their corrupt practices.


This is what you should be doing for Bush. Praying for him and the decisions he has to make--not slamming him.

1 Timothy 2--I urge then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone- for Kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.


No, there is not going to be peace right now, but it will come.

[hrh_disney_queen]

Tell you what--you like him so much, you can have him.

Anne

:rotfl2: .............................:guilty:............. ............... :sad:

[CheshireVal]

Hear it is, respect the govenment

Romans 13

1-Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2-Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God is institiuted, and those who do so will bring judgement on themselves.

5-Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishmentbut also because of your conscience.



The govenment tries to do what is right, but the people stil rebel...

2 Chronicles 27:2--He did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, just as his father Uzziah has done, but unlike him, he did not enter the temple of the Lord. The people however, continued their corrupt practices.


This is what you should be doing for Bush. Praying for him and the decisions he has to make--not slamming him.

1 Timothy 2--I urge then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone- for Kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.


No, there is not going to be peace right now, but it will come.


I think there's a big difference in submitting to authorities and having to actually respect them.

I'm not a big-time rebel in that I go out and break the law. I follow the law and, therefore, submit to authority (including Bush. Ew.)

But that doesn't mean that I have to respect him.

And the final two quotations don't seem to have much to do with anything. :confused3

[Feralpeg]

Hear it is, respect the govenment

Romans 13

1-Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2-Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God is institiuted, and those who do so will bring judgement on themselves.

5-Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishmentbut also because of your conscience.



The govenment tries to do what is right, but the people stil rebel...

2 Chronicles 27:2--He did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, just as his father Uzziah has done, but unlike him, he did not enter the temple of the Lord. The people however, continued their corrupt practices.


This is what you should be doing for Bush. Praying for him and the decisions he has to make--not slamming him.

1 Timothy 2--I urge then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone- for Kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.


No, there is not going to be peace right now, but it will come.

Do you have any scriptures that will comfort those poor people waiting for food and water at the moment? Good grief!

[TeresaNJ]

Americans need to support their leader. Like it or not.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I know you don't want to hear this. But you need to quit complaining and slamming Bush, and do what you can to help.

He is not responsible for the hurricane. He is not responsible for the creeps that are looting. He is not responsible for the people that didn't evacuate and died. He is doing all he can. He is bringing in troops, military, police. Canadian troops have been called in.

He is one man. But he is not the only man in the government.
You need to support him. Whether you voted for him or not. Whether you like him as a person or not.

America pulled together after 9-11. You need to pull together now. Sitting on the computer all day slamming Bush isn't helping anybody in New Orleans.

When I see him on the news, he is working his butt off. Have compassion for the man. He is doing the best he can. His heart is breaking just as yours is.
I can guarantee he didn't get any sleep the last few nights, and is working 24 hours a day to address the problems. He has a huge job on his shoulders, and needs your support. Not your criticism.

You think you could do better? You think you would have all the answers? Then get out there and do something about it. But slamming your leader...isn't helping anybody. You are just causing division, bitterness and hurt. Use the efforts it takes to be miserable, and help. Give money. Give blood. Have a fundraiser. Volunteer. Do what you can.

Thank you. I couldn't have said it better myself.

[lenshanem]

I have no faith in that man and never will. None of this has surprised me. Giving speeches like - They are resilient and will rebuild great communities is not what they wanted to hear at that moment. They wanted to hear - I'm sending food and water NOW. It is very heart breaking. I will be rejoicing when his term is over.

[alliecats]

Hear it is, respect the govenment

[B]Romans 13

1-Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2-Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God is institiuted, and those who do so will bring judgement on themselves.



Going by this, then Saddam Hussein was put in authority by God!! And we went over there and booted him!
Uh oh, we're in troubbbbbbbbbbbble!

[LukenDC]

AlbertanMom, I believe that a democratic society requires that its citizens hold leaders accountable for their actions. While you may not agree with deomcracy, it is the foundation for the American government. We should not blindly follow our leaders in a show of national unity. Bush has spent the past four years touting his record on disaster preparedness and the creation of the Department of Homeland Security. His administration's slow and unsteady response to the hurricaine has been appalling.

Of course Bush did not create the hurricaine nor did he break the levees or arm the thugs. But his administration should have been prepared for an urban disaster given the focus and spending on disaster preparedness. Hopefully the public outcry is creating an incentive for the administration to get its act together.

[barbeml]

I have to respond because this thread made me spitting mad.

This is not about Bush Bashing. This is not about partisan politics. This is about leadership. And the failings thereof.

Regardless of his or our political affiliation, this is a major tragedy and has not been handled well.

Let's review: Last Thursday, Hurricaine Katrina struck Florida, dumped 18 inches of rain.

Friday, it headed out towards the gulf where it was feared that it would strengthen again and head for the gulf coast.

Saturday, it was apparent this was going to happen, the mayor of Louisanna ordered an evacuation.

Monday, the hurricaine hits, major devesation, millions without power and hundreds of thousands homeless. Hundreds feared dead.

Tuesday, the levee breaks, flooding starts in New Orleans. Thousands feared dead. The President goes to California to talk about Iraq. Told he needs to cut his vacation short but returns to Crawford for one more night. Chief of Policy is also in Crawford and goes out that night to thank the anti-Sheehan protestors.

Wednesday. Chaos breaks in New Orleans, flooding continues. Bodies are lying out in the open. Food and water running out. President goes back to Washington. Vice-president is still on vacation, his aide says that "he will be returning back to Washington, but we're not sure when." Mayor says suppiles are gone.

Thursday. Widespread looting and rapes in New Orleans. Gunfights break out. President says he will visit the area on Friday. Secretary of State goes to a Broadway show. Mayor begs for help. Oil prices skyrocket in gouging across the country. Senate passes emergency aid at 11PM.

Friday. Tens of thousands feared dead. Mayor states there are likely 50,000 still trapped on rooftops. President finally arrives in New Orleans to tour the area. House to convene to approve aid.

I left names out because to me this is not about who it is or what party they belong to. This is a DISGRACEFUL response. Any other President in my lifetime; Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford or Richard Nixon would have cut their vacation short back when they were told that a CATEGORY 5 hurricaine was about to hit the country.

So no, this is not about political sides, this is not about 'Bush Bashing'. I do not follow the President blindly because HE, AND THE TEAM HE PUTS TOGETHER, WORK FOR US. It is NOT the other way around. He is hired to be our LEADER. And he failed at his job miserably this week. So damned right if I'm going to call MY EMPLOYEE on the carpet for failing at his job, while people are suffering and dying. I will donate whatever I can to assist these people that have been hurt by this tragedy. But these people we hired, OUR EMPLOYEES, to be in charge of things like this, can and SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE, because Democrat or Republican, I don't EVER want to see innocent Americans suffer because our government could not get it together!

Brilliant. Thank you.

[CheshireVal]

Going by this, then Saddam Hussein was put in authority by God!! And we went over there and booted him!
Uh oh, we're in troubbbbbbbbbbbble!


Oooooh, excellent point.

[tar heel]

I can't believe the scriptures that have been posted here. I'm speechless when the gay bashers use Leviticus, but these absolutely take the cake.

If God has established all authorities and the citizens are to submit to them, then I guess God's pretty upset that his man Saddam's not in power in Iraq anymore, right?

[tar heel]

Looks like allicats and I were posting at the same time. Great minds think alike!

[CheshireVal]

I think those scriptures were probably taken way out of context, anyway.

[Maleficent13]

I see you have been tooting your own horn here for several days. Time to get off the seat and get out there, methinks. I'm sure the people of Louisiana would just snap you up.

Okay, I read the thread and this is the quote that made me spit! It was said in regards to ducklite, and FWIW, I know she is the reason I made a donation so expediently. I would have donated anyway, but her information and links helped me immensely, and I would imagine a lot of other people too. This was a rude and despicable statement.

In regards to the topic, well, snoopy and crcormier and Amanda have said it all so much more eloquently than me, so I'll let their statements speak for me.

[septbride2002]

Hear it is, respect the govenment

Romans 13

1-Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2-Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God is institiuted, and those who do so will bring judgement on themselves.

5-Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishmentbut also because of your conscience.



The govenment tries to do what is right, but the people stil rebel...

2 Chronicles 27:2--He did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, just as his father Uzziah has done, but unlike him, he did not enter the temple of the Lord. The people however, continued their corrupt practices.


This is what you should be doing for Bush. Praying for him and the decisions he has to make--not slamming him.

1 Timothy 2--I urge then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone- for Kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.


No, there is not going to be peace right now, but it will come.

If we stood by what your saying then the American Revolution never would have happened. :rolleyes:

~Amanda

[Albertan mom]

Someone a few pages back said that God said to respect your leaders
Someone else said "ya right, show me that text"
I did.
Thats it.

Take it or leave it. I just wanted to show it to those people that were wondering. I knew that 85% of you wouldn't want to hear it, or care about what the bible says.

I put it there for the others.

Trust me, I feel for those in need. It breaks my heart. All I wanted to say in the original post is that it is breaking the Presidents heart too. Have compassion for a man with a very tough job. He needs the support of Americans right now.

[FionaLovesShrek]

I never said we needed to follow the President blindly. I said we support the Presidential position. There is one man that fills that position. Part of his job is to take blame. His is the face we look for when we get angry over things that we feel are wrong. There are actually many faces we never see that put things in motion where our government is concerned. And anyone who works in government knows that from one mandate to seeing the fruition of the order takes way too much time because of the channels it goes through for processing. But this thread was started by someone from another country who cannot understand why we Americans are not supportive of our President during a time of disaster. The responses to this thread are so disappointing in light of what the people who have lost everything are going through. I am working in a hospital designated as a disaster relief hospital. This isn't about the President. Can we support the efforts being made to rescue these people? The gangs on the ground in NO are hindering the efforts. One of my co-workers has a good friend who is an EMT. The EMT was sent in with an ambulance yesterday to pull out injured evacuees. The ambulance was taken over by gang members with guns. The EMT asked the gang members if they were going to take the ambulance, if they would at least take the injured to the medical drop off. The EMT was shot in the head and died at the scene. So many people who are in need, and we debate about the President?

[saucymb]

What I find so concerning is that people who have grievences with our government and leaders choose not to express those grievences in a manner that is respectful of not necessarily those leaders, but their fellow citizens who have differing points of view. Of course we should keep on top of the current issues, and voice our opinions. But what I don't understand is how someone who has a different point of view than I have will spout out hateful things regarding the issues or the person, then follow up saying that if I don't agree then I must be ignorant and uninformed. Do they really think that is going to make people change their minds or positions?

My point is, I find it difficult to take someone seriously who is saying radical things regarding our leaders or issues. I will take you much more seriously when you respectfully express your dissent. Not just respect regarding the thought, but respect regarding the people to whom disagree with you. This goes both ways.

It is possible to express dissent and question our leaders with a spirit of helpfulness and hope, though you wouldn't believe it to read most of the posts I've read on here in the past three days. I've never heard of anyone's mind being changed after being bombarded with insults regarding their beliefs.

Thanks, Albertan Mom to bring these issues up.

[Aidensmom]

Can we support the efforts being made to rescue these people? The gangs on the ground in NO are hindering the efforts. One of my co-workers has a good friend who is an EMT. The EMT was sent in with an ambulance yesterday to pull out injured evacuees. The ambulance was taken over by gang members with guns. The EMT asked the gang members if they were going to take the ambulance, if they would at least take the injured to the medical drop off. The EMT was shot in the head and died at the scene. So many people who are in need, and we debate about the President?

That is so sad.

[swilphil]

Tell you what--you like him so much, you can have him.

Anne

:rotfl2: That about sums it up.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Sometimes--it takes a few citizens to speak up for the rights of those who aren't being listened to.

[swilphil]

Whether he is good or bad is subjective. Do you have children? If your child told you they hated their teacher and defamed their teacher continuously, would you encourage their behavior, or try to teach them that they don't have to like the person in authority, and even though they didn't choose that teacher, they still needed to observe the teacher's position of authority in their life and respect that position. And most of all, would you remind them that the teacher would not be their teacher forever?

I'm not a child, and a classroom is not a democracy. I was a teacher, and I made that perfectly clear to my students. As an American, I can criticize the president as much as I want. I'm not going to defy the laws of the country and disrupt the policies that he is enforcing, but I can certainly disagree with him. We don't live in a dictatorship.

[swilphil]

Sometimes--it takes a few citizens to speak up for the rights of those who aren't being listened to.

Exactly, Lisa. The bottom line is helping the people who need it the most.

[Honu]

I have supported and worked for many people that I did not like, but they had earned my respect through their actions. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for Bush. I just don't understand the reasoning processes of this administration.

[snoopy]

Sometimes--it takes a few citizens to speak up for the rights of those who aren't being listened to.

That pretty much sums it up.

[eclectics]

Someone a few pages back said that God said to respect your leaders
Someone else said "ya right, show me that text"
I did.
Thats it.

Take it or leave it. I just wanted to show it to those people that were wondering. I knew that 85% of you wouldn't want to hear it, or care about what the bible says.

I put it there for the others.

Trust me, I feel for those in need. It breaks my heart. All I wanted to say in the original post is that it is breaking the Presidents heart too. Have compassion for a man with a very tough job. He needs the support of Americans right now.

Not flaming you, but your observations and chidings about how we are reacting to our President is interesting coming from someone who does not live here and is not a American citizen (I'm assuming). Just my thoughts. Thank you, btw, for your concern for those in need. I'm sure a lot of Canadians feel for us also and I'm sure those who are getting Canadian prayers and donations appreciate it very much.

[snoopy]

You know what? This attitude makes my blood boil. I didn't like Clinton too much, but I never would have made a comment like that. Like it or not, Bush is the president we have and we owe him our support during a national emergency. Get over it. I see you have been tooting your own horn here for several days. Time to get off the seat and get out there, methinks. I'm sure the people of Louisiana would just snap you up. :rolleyes1

How insulting and trivial of you to single out someone on these boards who appears to have worked tirelessly tracking down DISers and researching charities. :(

[sodaseller]

Hear it is, respect the govenment

Romans 13

1-Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2-Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God is institiuted, and those who do so will bring judgement on themselves.

5-Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishmentbut also because of your conscience.



The govenment tries to do what is right, but the people stil rebel...

2 Chronicles 27:2--He did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, just as his father Uzziah has done, but unlike him, he did not enter the temple of the Lord. The people however, continued their corrupt practices.


This is what you should be doing for Bush. Praying for him and the decisions he has to make--not slamming him.

1 Timothy 2--I urge then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone- for Kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.


No, there is not going to be peace right now, but it will come.

Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all those engaged in selling and buying there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves.

And he said to them, "It is written: 'My house shall be a house of prayer,' but you are making it a den of thieves."

The blind and the lame approached him in the temple area, and he cured them.

When the chief priests and the scribes saw the wondrous things 14 he was doing, and the children crying out in the temple area, "Hosanna to the Son of David," they were indignant and said to him, "Do you hear what they are saying?" Jesus said to them, "Yes; and have you never read the text, 'Out of the mouths of infants and nurslings you have brought forth praise'?"


The high priest questioned Jesus about his disciples and about his doctrine.

Jesus answered him, "I have spoken publicly to the world. I have always taught in a synagogue or in the temple area 10 where all the Jews gather, and in secret I have said nothing.

Why ask me? Ask those who heard me what I said to them. They know what I said."

When he had said this, one of the temple guards standing there struck Jesus and said, "Is this the way you answer the high priest?"


St. John Chrysostom once warned: "Whoever is not angry when there is cause for anger sins

[sodaseller]

Someone a few pages back said that God said to respect your leaders
Someone else said "ya right, show me that text"
I did.
Thats it.

Take it or leave it. I just wanted to show it to those people that were wondering. I knew that 85% of you wouldn't want to hear it, or care about what the bible says.

I put it there for the others.

Trust me, I feel for those in need. It breaks my heart. All I wanted to say in the original post is that it is breaking the Presidents heart too. Have compassion for a man with a very tough job. He needs the support of Americans right now.

News for ya - if you're not Catholic, you're a Protestant. Guess where that word came from? And that's from a Catholic that thinks that most of the 95 theses were well taken! Was Luther sinning when he defied authority to speak about against abuse of ecclesiastical authority?

[eclectics]

Laura Bush is on CNN right now saying, and I quote, "Things are going very, very, well". She is now talking about registering your children in the nearest school. Aren't there people still on rooftops???

[pmcpmc]

Can i just add he is going to WALK new orleans!~!!!!!! i mean how much more do you want him to do? he is having convoys going into the super dome area. and your all bashing him its not right! and for a person to say that and not be american is saying something! Good job!
It has taken him that long to wake up to the problem.
He looks like abumbling fool.
Reagan could have put on abetter tv performance

[alliecats]

I'll be honest, what riled me up the most about your message, Albertan Mom, is the title. No matter what it said, the tone irritated me..."Americans need to do such-and-such. Like it or not."
That is kind of an obnoxious title. Even if I agreed with the such-and-such part, I just find it a very presumptuous and arrogant way to word it, which I am sure you didn't mean because you seem like a very nice person. But when you come on to tell an entire country what they need to do, think, or feel, "like it or not" in your subject heading, you were bound to rub people the wrong way before they even got to your message. Just mho.

[patsal]

Tell you what--you like him so much, you can have him.

Anne


You can say that again. No Democracy was ever founded on blindly following bad leadership.

[sodaseller]

Scriptural Guidance for the moment and the need to stay quiet towards our leaders
Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to him, "Teacher, rebuke your disciples."

He said in reply, "I tell you, if they keep silent, the stones will cry out!"

As he drew near, he saw the city and wept over it,

[TLC371]

I totally agree. It's a shame that a Canadian has to tell Americans to support their leader. We are a free country, we elected our president and if you don't like him, too bad. You are stuck with him, it's so unpatriotic to bash your own president. No, he's not perfect, but he is our president. He deserves respect and support from all Americans. I normally stay completely out of the political debates, but it just irks me to see so many people constantly disrespecting their president. I didn't like Clinton, but no one ever heard me bash him. I may not have voted for him, but once he was our president, I respected and supported him because of his role in our country.

You completely took the words out of my mouth. Ditto what you said all the way. I usually don't get mixed up with the political debates, but I just wanted to say that I agree with what you and the OP said.

[Free4Life11]

Laura Bush is on CNN right now saying, and I quote, "Things are going very, very, well". She is now talking about registering your children in the nearest school. Aren't there people still on rooftops???

Yeah. I think she's just trying to comfort people, but there ARE still people in need.

[palmtreegirl]

Laura Bush is on CNN right now saying, and I quote, "Things are going very, very, well". She is now talking about registering your children in the nearest school. Aren't there people still on rooftops???

She was only speaking in regards to how things were going in Lafayette at the Cajundome.

[Divamomto3]

Hear it is, respect the govenment

Romans 13

1-Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2-Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God is institiuted, and those who do so will bring judgement on themselves.

5-Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishmentbut also because of your conscience.



The govenment tries to do what is right, but the people stil rebel...

2 Chronicles 27:2--He did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, just as his father Uzziah has done, but unlike him, he did not enter the temple of the Lord. The people however, continued their corrupt practices.


This is what you should be doing for Bush. Praying for him and the decisions he has to make--not slamming him.

1 Timothy 2--I urge then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone- for Kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.


No, there is not going to be peace right now, but it will come.

LMAO...are you kidding me????? :rolleyes:
Yeah, you're right, I should be praying for Bush. He needs all the help he can get because he SUCKS as a leader as far as I'm concerned. Since Monday night I've been screaming at my TV, "Where the Hell is the President??" I don't care if it's the Gov. of Louisiana and Mississippi that are supposed to order the Guard troops, etc, etc, yadda, yadda, yadda. The PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is supposed to get on TV and make us FEEL SAFE. He's supposed to say, "Don't worry, we're coming for you!" Caravans of aid and the military should have been piling in DAYS before today. This is a national disgrace!! It makes me sick to watch! It has nothing to do with God and obedience!!!!!!!! Holy Cow, I could never live my life like that. Luckily, I live in America, where you'd be darn sure I'd say right to George Bush's face, "Mr. President, you let us down." Because he did.

Listen to me people, this is not partisan! I'm a Republican, I'm a Moderate, I'm a Catholic. I've voted for a Republican for President in every election in my lifetime, including GW Bush. This is a horrendous situation. I'm sure we'll learn a lot from it, but unfortunately it's too late for many people on the Gulf Coast. I, for one, feel much less "safe" and "cared for" as an American than I did a week ago.

[peachgirl]

Someone a few pages back said that God said to respect your leaders

Yeah, that was me and I'm still waiting for a passage that says I should respect them regardless of what they do.


Not that it matters as our country is not based on Biblical teachings, but I'd like to see that passages just for the heck of it.

[Free4Life11]

All I know is that I am a 20 year old kid who voted for Bush. I have defended him, supported him, and given him the benefit of the doubt more often than he needed. But this is the first time I am disappointed and disgusting with how he has handled. This does not make me a Bush-hater or anti-Bush. I am a CONCERNED American Citizen!

Yes we are taught as kids to respect authority. But I am an adult and sorry, I believe respect is earned. And just as respecct can be earned, it can be lost. Bush has lost a lot of respect with me and it's going to take a lot for him to earn it back.

On Sunday, August 28th he delcared the gulf states a disaster area. If you declare an area a DISASTER AREA, before the hurricane hit, doesn't that signify that the situation is serious? How do you do that and then spend the next day eating cake with John McCain and discussing Medicare while a CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE is hitting the states that have already been delcared disaster areas...??

Why is it that on Monday, August 29th around 8:40 a.m., WLLTV (a news station from New Orleans) had an alert on there website indicating that a LEVEE BROKE? 8:40 am....a few hours after Katrina hit....yet I have been hearing that they did not know about the flooding until the next day! I don't believe it because I saw the concerned of DIS members on that day and we knew the situation was dire. And on top fo that Fox News was reporting around 9 a.m. on Monday that HOMES WERE FLOODED TO THE CEILINGS!! The flooding may not have gotten worse until then, but if one levee has broke...isn't the logical assumption that others may have and could break? If you don't believe me look the up the thread and find threads around #1020.

There is no reason why it should have taken so long to get people the help they needed. I saw so many posts here at The DIS of people worrying and fearing for the people in the path of Katrina, even before she hit! You can say logistics, we didn't know, help is on the way, have patience, and more until excuses until you are blue in the face. The fact is it was days before relief arrived for thousands upon thousands of people and that was wrong. There is no reason in a country as rich and techonologially advanced as we are for that to happen.

I am not saying Bush is to blame for what happened, of course he isn't. What I am saying is that I did NOT see the leadership I expected to see and because of that I have lost an incredible amount of respect for him.

You know I almost wish the President would have been the following the thread at The DIS. Maybe he would have been more clued into the seriousness of the situation...I feel like posters on The DIS had more of a grip as to what was going on that the President of the United States! That' upsets me. It wasn't even until Friday that Bush admitted that the federal response was patethic and unacceptable!

The people I DO respect are the Coast Guard and the National Guard, who were saving people off rooftops as the situation got exponentially worse.

[Rafiki Rafiki Rafiki]

OK, I didn't read the 10 pages here. I'm just responding to the original poster.

We're volunteering and helping out in every way we can. It would be nice to have decent leadership to react to this situation.

My husband is in the military. We're stationed just a couple of hours from the area. We've been told by our commander-in-chief to stay put. They don't need us down there. Meanwhile, our military guys are going about their mission, training new pilots...using tons of gas...going about life as if nothing ever happened. It's not that it's what they want to do. It's what their commander-in-chief has told them to do.

Nah. I don't support this president. He's not my president.

[sgtdisney]

In concept, I agree with that Albertanmom is trying to say. The USA has experienced a huge disaster. Sure, it appears to the observer that many things may have been done incorrectly. I am sure there is plenty of blame to go around. From the President, to the congress and federal agencies all the way down to the state and local government. However, now is not the time for partisan rhetoric and political mud-slinging.

It is one thing to say that mistakes are made, of course there have been mistakes. It is another thing calling the leader of the country an idiot, or any of the other names being used by the people who do not favor Bush. Certainly everyone in the USA is entitled to their opinion but what is the end result? The USA is beginning to look divided, and inept to the world in how it handles itself in an internal crisis.

It is time, just like in the aftermath of 9/11, for the USA to pull together, work as a nation to solve this problem be it with donations, aid, whatever it takes. There will be plenty of time to assign blame. You want to say the government dropped the ball so to speak, sure. But the partisan insults aren't helping anyone, especially those poor suffering people in LA, MS and AL.

[Microcell]

I know you don't want to hear this. But you need to quit complaining and slamming Bush, and do what you can to help.

He is not responsible for the hurricane. He is not responsible for the creeps that are looting. He is not responsible for the people that didn't evacuate and died. He is doing all he can. He is bringing in troops, military, police. Canadian troops have been called in.

He is one man. But he is not the only man in the government.
You need to support him. Whether you voted for him or not. Whether you like him as a person or not.

America pulled together after 9-11. You need to pull together now. Sitting on the computer all day slamming Bush isn't helping anybody in New Orleans.

When I see him on the news, he is working his butt off. Have compassion for the man. He is doing the best he can. His heart is breaking just as yours is.
I can guarantee he didn't get any sleep the last few nights, and is working 24 hours a day to address the problems. He has a huge job on his shoulders, and needs your support. Not your criticism.

You think you could do better? You think you would have all the answers? Then get out there and do something about it. But slamming your leader...isn't helping anybody. You are just causing division, bitterness and hurt. Use the efforts it takes to be miserable, and help. Give money. Give blood. Have a fundraiser. Volunteer. Do what you can.

Just a point of view from a Canadian....


I wish more people like you lived here! He is doing his very best, and I do support him! I cannot believe how people listen to the junk on CNN, thank goodness liberals are far more likely to post on an internet message board, so you can rest assured that the majority of us here in the US are pulling together and we are watching FOX news!

[SplashLover93]

I wish more people like you lived here! He is doing his very best, and I do support him! I cannot believe how people listen to the junk on CNN, thank goodness liberals are far more likely to post on an internet message board, so you can rest assured that the majority of us here in the US are pulling together and we are watching FOX news!
AMEN TO THAT!!!!! FOX ALL THE WAY!!!

[C.Ann]

I wish more people like you lived here! He is doing his very best, and I do support him! I cannot believe how people listen to the junk on CNN, thank goodness liberals are far more likely to post on an internet message board, so you can rest assured that the majority of us here in the US are pulling together and we are watching FOX news!
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Wow! Do you live where there are only two news sources? That's gotta be rough when trying to stay on top of things..

"He" is doing his very best TODAY - to try to save his sorry butt from not responding IMMEDIATELY!!!

[wvrevy]

AMEN TO THAT!!!!! FOX ALL THE WAY!!!
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

So, I guess you want to see Shep Smith fired then for questioning the king...er...president, on his show the last two days ? :rolleyes:

[eclectics]

I wish more people like you lived here! He is doing his very best, and I do support him! I cannot believe how people listen to the junk on CNN, thank goodness liberals are far more likely to post on an internet message board, so you can rest assured that the majority of us here in the US are pulling together and we are watching FOX news!

51% to 49%, give or take, isn't much of a majority and I guess I'll email CNN and tell them to close up shop because no one here in the US is watching them! :rolleyes:

[Caradana]

I know you don't want to hear this. But you need to quit complaining and slamming Bush, and do what you can to help.

He is not responsible for the hurricane. He is not responsible for the creeps that are looting. He is not responsible for the people that didn't evacuate and died. He is doing all he can. He is bringing in troops, military, police. Canadian troops have been called in.

He is one man. But he is not the only man in the government.
You need to support him. Whether you voted for him or not. Whether you like him as a person or not.

America pulled together after 9-11. You need to pull together now. Sitting on the computer all day slamming Bush isn't helping anybody in New Orleans.

When I see him on the news, he is working his butt off. Have compassion for the man. He is doing the best he can. His heart is breaking just as yours is.
I can guarantee he didn't get any sleep the last few nights, and is working 24 hours a day to address the problems. He has a huge job on his shoulders, and needs your support. Not your criticism.

You think you could do better? You think you would have all the answers? Then get out there and do something about it. But slamming your leader...isn't helping anybody. You are just causing division, bitterness and hurt. Use the efforts it takes to be miserable, and help. Give money. Give blood. Have a fundraiser. Volunteer. Do what you can.

Just a point of view from a Canadian....

This, from a woman from the land of Paul Martin. That is comic.
"You are causing division, bitterness and hurt," from a woman from the land of Quebecois seperatists. THAT IS JUST FUNNY.
Has the pot met the kettle? ;)

[peachgirl]

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

So, I guess you want to see Shep Smith fired then for questioning the king...er...president, on his show the last two days ? :rolleyes:

I have to say that Shep has been one of the most vocal critics in regards to the shameful response by this administration!
Go Shep!:sunny:

[MosMom]

It seems the political and angry posts have calmed now that people are getting the help they need. Interesting.

[frozone]

He is doing his very best...

His best isn't good enough. You can't run the White House by committee. We need a leader who can cut through the crap and do what needs to be done.

[Caradana]

It seems the political and angry posts have calmed now that people are getting the help they need. Interesting.

Some might argue that it was the political frenzy and the anger that prompted Bush to finally get his act into gear and show up today. I'm so glad that the National Guard is finally there in force.

[MosMom]

Some might argue that it was the political frenzy and the anger that prompted Bush to finally get his act into gear and show up today. I'm so glad that the National Guard is finally there in force.

Some might agree. ;)

[Free4Life11]

Some might argue that it was the political frenzy and the anger that prompted Bush to finally get his act into gear and show up today. I'm so glad that the National Guard is finally there in force.

I was thinking the same thing. Either way I am just glad things are slowly getting better.

[Florida_Mom]

Some might argue that it was the political frenzy and the anger that prompted Bush to finally get his act into gear and show up today. I'm so glad that the National Guard is finally there in force.


Well said.

And, here's a quote by Teddy Roosevelt:

"To say that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but it's morally treasonable to the American public."

[disney1990]

I totally agree. It's a shame that a Canadian has to tell Americans to support their leader. We are a free country, we elected our president and if you don't like him, too bad. You are stuck with him, it's so unpatriotic to bash your own president. No, he's not perfect, but he is our president. He deserves respect and support from all Americans. I normally stay completely out of the political debates, but it just irks me to see so many people constantly disrespecting their president. I didn't like Clinton, but no one ever heard me bash him. I may not have voted for him, but once he was our president, I respected and supported him because of his role in our country.

Maybe you didn't bash President Clinton -- but other people did for 8 years. There has never been a President that was investigated as much as Clinton was. And in the end, what did they find, he had an affair.

Clinton did it to an intern; Bush is doing it to the country! :sad2: :sad2:

[peachgirl]

Some might argue that it was the political frenzy and the anger that prompted Bush to finally get his act into gear and show up today. I'm so glad that the National Guard is finally there in force.

Absolutely!

Had the press only shown the warm & fuzzy stories and not focused on the horrific problems who knows how long it would have taken.

Things were looking bad for the President and his handlers knew he was going to get the blame and magically things started falling into place. The President shows up with the military, food and supplies right behind him.

I don't care why it happened, and I'm very grateful that these people are finally beginning to get some relief...but let's not pretend that it didn't take some political heat to get it started.

[peachgirl]

Maybe you didn't bash President Clinton

If I had a nickel for every time I've read that line since Bu$h took office, I'd be rich today.

Funny how no one here ever bashed him, yet it's a well know fact that he was personally attacked more than any President in history. I learned everything I know about insulting Presidents from right wingers.

[dcentity2000]

I dread the day that democracy is put on hold for ANY reason. It is the foundation of society and must continue.

I know that many people wish it were not the case, but one of the cornerstones is the ability to oppose. That's why it's called an opposition.

If you are so insecure about your leader that you need a reason to get the opposition to stop, too bad. Democracy will prevail.



Rich::

[LoraJ]

I wish more people like you lived here! He is doing his very best, and I do support him! I cannot believe how people listen to the junk on CNN, thank goodness liberals are far more likely to post on an internet message board, so you can rest assured that the majority of us here in the US are pulling together and we are watching FOX news!

You seriously need to watch the documentary "Outfoxed". I don't think anyone should get their news from one news source. You aren't getting the whole story.

[Mugg Mann]

Hear it is, respect the govenment

Romans 13

1-Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2-Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God is institiuted, and those who do so will bring judgement on themselves.

5-Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishmentbut also because of your conscience.



The govenment tries to do what is right, but the people stil rebel...

2 Chronicles 27:2--He did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, just as his father Uzziah has done, but unlike him, he did not enter the temple of the Lord. The people however, continued their corrupt practices.


This is what you should be doing for Bush. Praying for him and the decisions he has to make--not slamming him.

1 Timothy 2--I urge then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone- for Kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.


No, there is not going to be peace right now, but it will come.

The bible...one of the great works of fiction of all time. You are certainly entitled to wrap your life around it, but it carries no legal weight here. Here in America, we get our laws from a couple of documents called the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

[Mugg Mann]

I wish more people like you lived here! He is doing his very best, and I do support him! I cannot believe how people listen to the junk on CNN, thank goodness liberals are far more likely to post on an internet message board, so you can rest assured that the majority of us here in the US are pulling together and we are watching FOX news!

Hmmm, so why are Fox news' ratings down over 40% this year from last year? Perhaps there's far less of you than you think......

[Free4Life11]

Well, I will admit, I felt that Bush's speech after the trip was much more than I have seen from him. I was impressed and at least it seems he is getting a grip on the situation and trying to be a leader and unite our country. I still think it took too long, but I am glad that things are getting under control at this point that is what matters.

[eclectics]

You seriously need to watch the documentary "Outfoxed". I don't think anyone should get their news from one news source. You aren't getting the whole story.


You're wasting your time LoraJ. I've argued that before. I always try to get the other side (most people would think of that as an educational asset) but the the die hard "Foxers" worship the ground Mr. Murdoch walks on and that's that. Don't even try to get them to see the other side. It's an effort in futility. :confused3

[dcentity2000]

Get your news from Reuters; they're meant to be impartial.



Rich::

[totalia]

Tell you what--you like him so much, you can have him.

Anne

Well put.

I don't want him. Canada has enough problems.

[ChristmasElf]

No matter who is the President, there will always be people out there that don't like who it is.
No one can predict the future NO ONE. Look at Ivan. When Ivan was about to strike, the people in Louisianna all started evacuating and the storm ended up missing them. So this time the people thought the same thing would happen and they chose not to evacuate.
Believe it or not, everyone has flaws Kerry (god knows) Clinton,Nixon,Carter, the list goes on and on.
So to sit on a computer and pick one man and the governments response apart is insane. No one knows what they themselves would do given the responsibility Bush has. You might think you know what you would do, but saying and doing are two different things.

Everyone complains about the food and water not getting there fast enough. What should have been done? If military trucks with food and water had been sitting on the outskirts of NO last Sunday morning, they too would have been shredded and flooded out.
Hindsight is and always will be 20/20

[Pete's Mom]

Don't worry ,Albertan mom. ;) You see, we have a lot of hypocrites on the board. Just go post a thread about how Bush is a piece of trash and watch the "you are not from this country, so don't tell us what to think" crowd jump to their feet with applause! :cheer2:

It's all good! :goodvibes

[swilphil]

Everyone complains about the food and water not getting there fast enough. What should have been done? If military trucks with food and water had been sitting on the outskirts of NO last Sunday morning, they too would have been shredded and flooded out.
Hindsight is and always will be 20/20

Newsflash: The president even stated this afternoon that the government didn't respond fast enough.

[Albertan mom]

No matter who is the President, there will always be people out there that don't like who it is.
No one can predict the future NO ONE. Look at Ivan. When Ivan was about to strike, the people in Louisianna all started evacuating and the storm ended up missing them. So this time the people thought the same thing would happen and they chose not to evacuate.
Believe it or not, everyone has flaws Kerry (god knows) Clinton,Nixon,Carter, the list goes on and on.
So to sit on a computer and pick one man and the governments response apart is insane. No one knows what they themselves would do given the responsibility Bush has. You might think you know what you would do, but saying and doing are two different things.

Everyone complains about the food and water not getting there fast enough. What should have been done? If military trucks with food and water had been sitting on the outskirts of NO last Sunday morning, they too would have been shredded and flooded out.
Hindsight is and always will be 20/20


Very Very well said!!!

[Albertan mom]

Don't worry ,Albertan mom. ;) You see, we have a lot of hypocrites on the board. Just go post a thread about how Bush is a piece of trash and watch the "you are not from this country, so don't tell us what to think" crowd jump to their feet with applause! :cheer2:

It's all good! :goodvibes

Thanks!! :goodvibes

[njzieglers]

Thanks!! :goodvibes

And thank you, and all the other well wishers in Canada. Still the longest and friendliest border in the world, eh?

[MandM-Mom]

I don't think people place the blame on Bush himself, just the lack of organization from FEMA, even Bush today said it was unacceptable. If the president says its unacceptable how can you expect others to not think its unacceptable that it took 4 days to get things to the convention center when celebrities and journalists were in and out of there with no problems days before.

I just wanted to add, I am not mad at any particular public person just mad that the onscreen "Officials" lied and tried to play dumb about not knowing what was going on at Convention Center, it was like if they didn't acknowlegde the situation it would just go away. I am also thankful to those journalist who shoved these awful scenes down the politicians throats so that they could understand what was really going on.... Im sorry but there is noway you could make scenes of a dying baby any worse for ratings, the facts are it is happening here in the US and the journalists are going to report it, thats what we pay them to do GET THE NEWS whether its good or bad.

[Sk8Leigh]

Here are buses that are sitting all flooded out in New Orleans. How come the mayor didn't use these buses to help evacuate N.O. this weekend when they were sending all those people into the Superdome??? The mess started waaaay before the federal level. That is NOT a Bush decision. The feds are just cleaning up after what the local and state gov'ts didn't take care of!

[ducklite]

Here are buses that are sitting all flooded out in New Orleans. How come the mayor didn't use these buses to help evacuate N.O. this weekend when they were sending all those people into the Superdome??? The mess started waaaay before the federal level. That is NOT a Bush decision. The feds are just cleaning up after what the local and state gov'ts didn't take care of!

Hmmm...who do you think is going to drive them out of town? But the time it became apparant that many people needed to be evacuated, it was too late to round up drivers.

Hopefully they will put together a comprehensive disaster response plan which will address this and many other issues.

Anne

[totalia]

Since I don't recall when we Canadians were last 'behind' our Prime Minister, I don't feel it is fair to berate the Americans for having doubts about their President. If Americans have valid, legitimate complaints about Bush, then their concerns should be both voiced and heard.
Quite true.

[What the Heck]

Hmmm...who do you think is going to drive them out of town? But the time it became apparant that many people needed to be evacuated, it was too late to round up drivers.

Hopefully they will put together a comprehensive disaster response plan which will address this and many other issues.

AnneBut why is that the responsibility of the President? Exactly when was the Constitution amended to allow this to happen? The federal government cannot go into a situation like that without being asked. The disaster response plan comes under the perview of the state and city governments.

As for US troops becoming involved, they are federal. Again, they must be asked in.

I don't agree completely with the OP, but to take shots at the President because he isn't all powerful, able to see the future, and because he didn't violate the Constitution seems a little much.

[crcormier]

There is plenty of blame to go around, the mayor obviously didn't know what to do in the situation. The governor was a different matter, however. On August 27th she requested $5 million to aid in the evacuation and was denied. On Sunday she requested military assistance the night before the storm hit.

The Vice President and the Secretary of State as of yesterday were still on vacation. I'm not sure if they're back yet even today.

The head of FEMA is a lawyer from Oklahoma who has no emergency management experience whatsoever. The reason he was appointed to this position? Because he was the President's campaign manager in Oklahoma.

The President had to be BEGGED to actually do a walking tour in New Orleans today by the mayor.

Think about this fact. The President last cut short his vacation to fly back to Washington to sign legislation about ONE WOMAN in Florida on life support, yet it took until Wednesday for him to end his vacation?

And the mayor of New Orleans said earlier that despite the arrival of supplies today there is STILL not enough food to go around.

This goes FAR beyond being able to predict the disaster, it has to do with the response after the disaster had struck. I'm glad that some serious aid arrived today, but God help all those poor souls that have died or are dying because of our government's lack of response to this crisis.

I will not, cannot, and should not let this rest. There are two things that need to be focused on right now. Helping all the victims of this tragedy (including those who are STILL trapped on their rooftops FIVE DAYS LATER) and HOLDING OUR GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABLE to make sure that this kind of tragedy NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.

[peachgirl]

But why is that the responsibility of the President? Exactly when was the Constitution amended to allow this to happen? The federal government cannot go into a situation like that without being asked. The disaster response plan comes under the perview of the state and city governments.

The only thing that needed to be requested after the storm and flooding hit was for the federal troops.

The area had already been declared a disaster area which opened the door for Federal involvement...at which point the President is indeed ultimately responsible.

There's plenty of blame to go around and that includes the Federal level. The President and those in FEMA have admitted their response was slow and not satisfactory, why do his supporters have such a hard time believing him?

[peachgirl]

On August 27th she requested $5 million to aid in the evacuation and was denied.

I had no idea this happened. That certainly sheds a little more light on who is actually responsible for the lack of proper evacuation and who is responsible for that.

[What the Heck]

The area had already been declared a disaster area which opened the door for Federal involvement...at which point the President is indeed ultimately responsible.No, it opened the door for federal aid, just one type of involvement. Troop invovelment, and the exact level of that aid would rest more with the state than with the feds.

[What the Heck]

There is plenty of blame to go around, the mayor obviously didn't know what to do in the situation. The governor was a different matter, however. On August 27th she requested $5 million to aid in the evacuation and was denied. On Sunday she requested military assistance the night before the storm hit.

The Vice President and the Secretary of State as of yesterday were still on vacation. I'm not sure if they're back yet even today.

The head of FEMA is a lawyer from Oklahoma who has no emergency management experience whatsoever. The reason he was appointed to this position? Because he was the President's campaign manager in Oklahoma.

The President had to be BEGGED to actually do a walking tour in New Orleans today by the mayor.

Think about this fact. The President last cut short his vacation to fly back to Washington to sign legislation about ONE WOMAN in Florida on life support, yet it took until Wednesday for him to end his vacation?

And the mayor of New Orleans said earlier that despite the arrival of supplies today there is STILL not enough food to go around.

This goes FAR beyond being able to predict the disaster, it has to do with the response after the disaster had struck. I'm glad that some serious aid arrived today, but God help all those poor souls that have died or are dying because of our government's lack of response to this crisis.

I will not, cannot, and should not let this rest. There are two things that need to be focused on right now. Helping all the victims of this tragedy (including those who are STILL trapped on their rooftops FIVE DAYS LATER) and HOLDING OUR GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABLE to make sure that this kind of tragedy NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.If the Governor was so on the ball, then why didn't she declare martial law until 2 days after the mayor requested it?

Also, the President wasn't on vacation this week, he was at a commeration for VJ day.

Also, exactly how soon do you think it should take for a convoy to make it to New Orleans? How long should ships take to get there? Exactly how much authority should the federal government have in local and state governments? People talk about freedoms being eroded by the Patriot Act, some of the things people are saying should have happened by the feds would erode more everyday freedoms than you would believe.

[eclectics]

There is plenty of blame to go around, the mayor obviously didn't know what to do in the situation. The governor was a different matter, however. On August 27th she requested $5 million to aid in the evacuation and was denied. On Sunday she requested military assistance the night before the storm hit.

The Vice President and the Secretary of State as of yesterday were still on vacation. I'm not sure if they're back yet even today.

The head of FEMA is a lawyer from Oklahoma who has no emergency management experience whatsoever. The reason he was appointed to this position? Because he was the President's campaign manager in Oklahoma.

The President had to be BEGGED to actually do a walking tour in New Orleans today by the mayor.

Think about this fact. The President last cut short his vacation to fly back to Washington to sign legislation about ONE WOMAN in Florida on life support, yet it took until Wednesday for him to end his vacation?

And the mayor of New Orleans said earlier that despite the arrival of supplies today there is STILL not enough food to go around.

This goes FAR beyond being able to predict the disaster, it has to do with the response after the disaster had struck. I'm glad that some serious aid arrived today, but God help all those poor souls that have died or are dying because of our government's lack of response to this crisis.

I will not, cannot, and should not let this rest. There are two things that need to be focused on right now. Helping all the victims of this tragedy (including those who are STILL trapped on their rooftops FIVE DAYS LATER) and HOLDING OUR GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABLE to make sure that this kind of tragedy NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.

Secretary Rice was in New York buying shoes and seeing a Broadway play. She was booed in the shoe store and at the theater and made a hasty departure. Not sure if she is on her way back to DC or not.

[peachgirl]

Secretary Rice was in New York buying shoes and seeing a Broadway play. She was booed in the shoe store and at the theater and made a hasty departure. Not sure if she is on her way back to DC or not.

She made a hasty retreat back to Washington. I saw her today on a clip making a short statement giving her best wishes and prayers to the victims...Didn't get a chance to see the new shoes though, darn it!

[crcormier]

Secretary Rice was in New York buying shoes and seeing a Broadway play. She was booed in the shoe store and at the theater and made a hasty departure. Not sure if she is on her way back to DC or not.

Actually on the way home I heard that at the store an irate citizen confronted her and Secretary Rice had security escort them from the store.

[C.Ann]

Secretary Rice was in New York buying shoes and seeing a Broadway play. She was booed in the shoe store and at the theater and made a hasty departure. Not sure if she is on her way back to DC or not.
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A citizen was also removed from the store by her security force for having the audacity to ask when those poor people were going to get food and water.. So much for free speech in this country..

[eclectics]

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A citizen was also removed from the store by her security force for having the audacity to ask when those poor people were going to get food and water.. So much for free speech in this country..

We New Yorkers are so cheeky, aren't we? Shame on us! :teeth:

[swilphil]

There is plenty of blame to go around, the mayor obviously didn't know what to do in the situation. The governor was a different matter, however. On August 27th she requested $5 million to aid in the evacuation and was denied. On Sunday she requested military assistance the night before the storm hit.

The Vice President and the Secretary of State as of yesterday were still on vacation. I'm not sure if they're back yet even today.

The head of FEMA is a lawyer from Oklahoma who has no emergency management experience whatsoever. The reason he was appointed to this position? Because he was the President's campaign manager in Oklahoma.

The President had to be BEGGED to actually do a walking tour in New Orleans today by the mayor.

Think about this fact. The President last cut short his vacation to fly back to Washington to sign legislation about ONE WOMAN in Florida on life support, yet it took until Wednesday for him to end his vacation?

And the mayor of New Orleans said earlier that despite the arrival of supplies today there is STILL not enough food to go around.

This goes FAR beyond being able to predict the disaster, it has to do with the response after the disaster had struck. I'm glad that some serious aid arrived today, but God help all those poor souls that have died or are dying because of our government's lack of response to this crisis.

I will not, cannot, and should not let this rest. There are two things that need to be focused on right now. Helping all the victims of this tragedy (including those who are STILL trapped on their rooftops FIVE DAYS LATER) and HOLDING OUR GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABLE to make sure that this kind of tragedy NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.

Bravo!
:cheer2: :banana:

[totalia]

There is plenty of blame to go around, the mayor obviously didn't know what to do in the situation. The governor was a different matter, however. On August 27th she requested $5 million to aid in the evacuation and was denied. On Sunday she requested military assistance the night before the storm hit.

The Vice President and the Secretary of State as of yesterday were still on vacation. I'm not sure if they're back yet even today.

The head of FEMA is a lawyer from Oklahoma who has no emergency management experience whatsoever. The reason he was appointed to this position? Because he was the President's campaign manager in Oklahoma.

The President had to be BEGGED to actually do a walking tour in New Orleans today by the mayor.

Think about this fact. The President last cut short his vacation to fly back to Washington to sign legislation about ONE WOMAN in Florida on life support, yet it took until Wednesday for him to end his vacation?

And the mayor of New Orleans said earlier that despite the arrival of supplies today there is STILL not enough food to go around.

This goes FAR beyond being able to predict the disaster, it has to do with the response after the disaster had struck. I'm glad that some serious aid arrived today, but God help all those poor souls that have died or are dying because of our government's lack of response to this crisis.

I will not, cannot, and should not let this rest. There are two things that need to be focused on right now. Helping all the victims of this tragedy (including those who are STILL trapped on their rooftops FIVE DAYS LATER) and HOLDING OUR GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABLE to make sure that this kind of tragedy NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.

Very well said. Thanks for getting to the root of the problem.

[crcormier]

If the Governor was so on the ball, then why didn't she declare martial law until 2 days after the mayor requested it?

Fair point, I was not trying to obsolve her of blame, but I keep seeing this all laid at her feet and the feet of the mayor and it's not right.



Also, the President wasn't on vacation this week, he was at a commeration for VJ day.


Actually he was in Crawford through Monday when he went to Arizona to talk about Medicare and then Tuesday to talk about VJ Day. And proceeded to return to Crawford Tuesday night (on vacation.)


Also, exactly how soon do you think it should take for a convoy to make it to New Orleans? How long should ships take to get there? Exactly how much authority should the federal government have in local and state governments? People talk about freedoms being eroded by the Patriot Act, some of the things people are saying should have happened by the feds would erode more everyday freedoms than you would believe.

As I said, Sunday night they knew a category 5 hurricaine was about to hit the gulf coast and requested federal troops.

[What the Heck]

As I said, Sunday night they knew a category 5 hurricaine was about to hit the gulf coast and requested federal troops.Part of the process in requesting federal troops is to declare martial law. If she was requesting these troops the night before, then why did she delay the declaration so long, 2 days after the mayor requested?

[peachgirl]

If the Governor was so on the ball, then why didn't she declare martial law until 2 days after the mayor requested it?

Actually there is no such thing as martial law in Louisiana. They can declare a state emergency, which they did no later than the 29th, possibly earlier, that gives them much the same powers as martial law.

there is no declaration of martial law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law) [6] (http://civilliberty.about.com/b/a/198081.htm), because no such term exists in Louisiana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana) state law[7] (http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_08.html#075262). Rather, a state of emergency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_emergency) has been declared, which does give some powers similar to that of martial law.

[What the Heck]

Actually there is no such thing as martial law in Louisiana. They can declare a state emergency, which they did no later than the 29th, possibly earlier, that gives them much the same powers as martial law.Ok, so why did it take her so long?

[What the Heck]

As I said, Sunday night they knew a category 5 hurricaine was about to hit the gulf coast and requested federal troops.Actually, you said she requested them on August 27th - 2 days before it hit. Exactly what was she going to do with them? Have them wait in New Orleans to be devastated by the storm and need rescuing themselves?

It was also mentioned that the version of LA martial law was pronounced on Monday, the 29th. Actually, it was asked for by the mayor on the 29th. On Sept 1st, he was screaming because it had not been declared by the Governor yet.

And, one more thing for those who think the response has been "too slow", especially if they think it was because of race. I just spoke with someone from Homestead who went through Andrew. According to her it took 5 days for the federal response. Yes, because it wasn't a predominately black area that was hit, people weren't saying it was because of race. It just took that long to get there.

[totalia]

Its not because of race. Its because of leader incompetance.

[bimshire]

Very well said.

Its really sad that some people hate George Bush so much, they will use every opportunity they can to bash him. Even at the expense of thousands of dead and homeless in the wake of a major natural disaster.

He is an awe shucks empty suit. Nothing between the ears except for Karl Rove pointing him to what direction to go.

So yeah, the Canadian can have him.

[MosMom]

Actually, you said she requested them on August 27th - 2 days before it hit. Exactly what was she going to do with them? Have them wait in New Orleans to be devastated by the storm and need rescuing themselves?

Actually, he said...

On August 27th she requested $5 million to aid in the evacuation and was denied. On Sunday she requested military assistance the night before the storm hit.

[Sk8Leigh]

Hmmm...who do you think is going to drive them out of town? But the time it became apparant that many people needed to be evacuated, it was too late to round up drivers.

Maybe the mayor should have snapped his fingers and magically made the drivers appear, like some of you think Bush should have done with the aid from the Feds. :rolleyes:

Here's the photo of the buses that I forgot to include in my earlier post:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015

[Junebugwv]

Albertan mom, thank you for your post. I rarely post, especially in a political arena (vitrolic voices are irritating to this mom of five). I do support and pray for the president. I can not imagine how difficult it would be for the leader of country to respond in a way that would please eveyone. But I did notice that I learned of the levee breaking when I saw news videos of the Coast Guard rescuing people off of roof tops. Either I was very slow to see the videos or the federal response was very quick. I certainly hope no partisan harpies are using the misery of others to further their own political agenda, and that includes "my" side.

[swilphil]

.... I certainly hope no partisan harpies are using the misery of others to further their own political agenda, and that includes "my" side.

I have seen some Democrats blame the president and some Republicans blaming the mayor and governor. What has been most interesting is seeing some very staunch Bush supporters do an about face and criticizing his response. I do think he may have reearned their support yesterday when he admitted the federal government fell short in its initial response.

[Mai Ku Tiki]

THIS IS THE WEALTHIEST AND MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD...We have a GREAT NATION! We ABSOLUTELY have the capability to care for our citizens in times such as these...But to get the job done requires THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES to CHOOSE to devote all of the resources at his command to do so.

I'm sorry if you think this is only Bush Bashing...Frankly, too many Americans are dying terrible deaths even now for me to waste my time on such silly conversations...

For the last time, I will shout loudly and clearly...THIS PRESIDENT HAS MADE A CHOICE to ignore the pain and suffering of these victims. People are DYING within a few miles of those relief trucks. What help has come is TOO LITTLE and TOO LATE! A true leader would have commandeered and mobilized this nation's resources IMMEDIATELY! Other Presidents have done it in the past. Even NIXON mobilized the Third Infantry when needed! Media reports began to come out shortly after landfall that conditions everywhere were worsening.

I would condemn ANY PRESIDENT this negligent regardless of WHICH POLITICAL PARTY was in the WH now! This is NOT about politics...It is about incompetence and criminal (YES, CRIMINAL) negligience. We put people who abuse ONE CHILD in child in jail...how many children have neen neglected and abused here? Those who keep protecting this PRESIDENT and shielding him from ALL ACCOUNTABILITY are misinformed and misled. Stop using the excuses of "Well, how was he supposed to know...(about bad intelligience, about PDBs that say 'OSAMA INTENT ON STRIKING AMERICA', about where Katrina would hit, how bad the damage was, who needed what...) HE IS SUPPOSED TO KNOW BECAUSE HE IS THE PRESIDENT! A CAT 5 was headed for NO and he didn't demand ongoing briefings so he could mobilize resources immmediately if needed????? Are you REALLY SATISFIED with that level of disengagement? Do you REALLY expect so little from your PRESIDENT?

We can all go back and examine or debate the poor planning on the part of the local and state officials in a few weeks...and hold them accountable for that as needed. But the failure of RESPONSE lies with the President!


Stop comparing this to 9-11. As horrid as that was (and my county suffered the highest number of losses) it was several building and blocks. Everything around it (and the city's infrastructure itself) was basically intact so LOCAL officials could maintain control and operation.

The bottom line is if my city or state (or yours) were overwhelmed and could not protect our families REGARDLESS OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES, it is ABSOLUTELY the responsibility of the FEDERAL GOV'T to take all necessary steps to do so.

The shameless photo-op today was an insult to every American, but particularly every victim. The surprise the Pres expressed after his fly-over that the region looked like it had been destroyed by a 'large weapon' was chilling..first in its naivete and second in its offering as new info...I know he was on vacation, but doesn't anyone in the administration watch TV?

LBJ said after Walter Cronkite editorialized on his news show against the Vietnam War "If I've lost Walter, I've lost the average American" (in their support of the war). Well, EVERY newscaster on the ground from CNN to FOX has been begging for days for the FEDS to do SOMETHING IMMEDIATELY and tonite I watched Shep Smith and Geraldo (ON FOX NEWS!!!!!) crying as people..BABIES..were fading in front of them. The roads are passable...the trucks are there...the locations have been known for days...news crews are able to get in and out. And this PRESIDENT (or his handlers) should have made sure help reached those people at least by today while he was hugging and 'feeling the pain' (if for no OTHER reason than he is committing political suicide!)

God help us all if a major attack comes to our shores (again)!

I know I'm too strong in my views for some people. I keep trying to stay out of this fray...but I feel helpless and this exchange of views is helping me in some way to process this horror! I've posted this same message on a few posts....now I'm gonna shut-up!!!

[dcentity2000]

In my eyes Bush has regained some lost ground by admitting that the initial response was "not acceptable".

The question now is: how did this lackluster performance happen in the first place? How do we avoid it in the future?



Rich::

[dennis99ss]

it is our duty, our right and our privilege to live in America and honor our government powers

What???? We have a duty to question our government, and to keep the government in check, not the other way around, and certainly not to honor it.

To the OP, most of what you said was bs. While he did not cause the disaster, he certainly did nothing to address its aftermath, until he started to take political heat. Yes, political criticism is warranted. In this case, Bush got off his #@! and did something only when he started to feel the political heat.

[Mai Ku Tiki]

alright..I can't shut up!

Since his admission that the response was inadequate and last nite(12 hrs?) people STILL didn't have water/food/help...according to Shep & Geraldo on FOX.

WORDS ARE MEANINGLESS WHEN PEOPLE ARE DYING.


Why do we accept SO LITTLE!

That's it!....zzzzzzip!!!!!!

[NHAnn]

Americans need to support their leader. Like it or not.
Excuse me?!?!?!
ahem, this IS America....and "you're not the boss of me" ;)

Seriously, my frustration lies in the fact that I don't think our President is a leader. Someone used the term "empty suit"...I agree. There's just nothing there for me when I hear or see this man speak and his actions do nothing to overcome what I see as hypocritical, empty, insincere babbling. There are some of us, not politically active, who just feel this way, and I imagine there are more of them now, and I know the political ones will use it for their particular spins and debates. Just my opinion. It doesn't mean I'm not helping the hurricane relief effort to the extent I can, and it doesn't mean I spend my day Bush-bashing. I'm just disgusted and saddened by this most recent display of what I view as ineffective national leadership.

[dcentity2000]

Some people don't want to question their elected officials. I'm at a loss as to why; it's not as if doing any different will help the situation.



Rich::

[lenshanem]

It makes me wonder how much longer it would have taken to start getting help down there if it wasn't for the criticism the president was getting. When Fox reporters are criticizing so vocally, you know it is bad!

True, some lower downs might have made some mistakes here and there, but if our president and administration can coordinate a war surely than can coordinate sending some emergency supplies down to those dying people.

Does race factor in? Tough one. I really hope it didn't and I want to say no, but then again if a bunch of rich white families were sitting on top of their roof tops would the amount of rescue helicopters down there have been increased? Course, that isn't a real fair statement cause they would have had the money to get out of town to begin with...

The fact of the matter is you have to be prepared and realize in an emergency it could very well be every man and/or family for themselves. I know I'm gonna be slowing updating our emergency box this month. You can't depend on this government to help you. My husband and I are about as far apart on political views as possible, but we both agree on this! (It is amazing to me how blindly he would follow this president. He thinks he can do no wrong and much like Sean Hannity if you have a differing opinion you get cut off. So much for a free speech America!) We actually had to agree last night not to talk to each other about this.

My one big fear, though is that we have shown the world and potential terrorists that this country is not prepared for an emergency and we are easy targets.

And the oil problem? Oh, my that is another huge topic. Do I trust Bush on that one? NOPE.

God bless those down there helping and many prayers to those who are in despair.

[wvrevy]

I have seen some Democrats blame the president and some Republicans blaming the mayor and governor.
Unfortunately, they're both right. This has been a travesty from the local end all the way to the president's office. The military has a word for this...it begins with "cluster", but I can't post the rest on a family board. :sad2:

[What the Heck]

Some people don't want to question their elected officials. I'm at a loss as to why; it's not as if doing any different will help the situation.



Rich::Rich, it's the reverse here right now. Some people want to question their elected officials even when they have nothing to do with the problem. Here in our government, the individual States have a lot of power that they are supposed to use, and in a situation like a hurricane, the federal government is hampered in what they can do until they are asked in. Yet there are many here who don't care about something like that, why miss a good chance to blame the President when they hate him?

If there had been a Democrat in the White House, he would almost certainly have done everything that President Bush did, almost exactly when he did - and he wouldn't be receiving the blame, not by the mainstream Americans. As much as I hated President Clinton, I didn't wail about how he didn't do enough for the Oklahoma bombings, or how he handled hurricanes that happened on his watch. The federal government is not allowed by our laws to take over state governments responsiblities - they can only assist after they are asked.

[What the Heck]

It makes me wonder how much longer it would have taken to start getting help down there if it wasn't for the criticism the president was getting. When Fox reporters are criticizing so vocally, you know it is bad! Well, lets see, I'm told by someone who survived (and road out) Andrew in Homestead, FL (a town that was virtually wiped out) that it took 5 days for them to get relief. Lets compare: Andrew, wiped out many small towns but left the roads intact. Katrina, wiped out some very major roads leading in and out of town. Andrew, not as much major flooding, Katrina, a major US city is flooded out, some houses flooded to the roof.

It took the relief efforts so long because they had to worry about the debris that had fallen, the downed power lines, the downed trees, things like that. Fox news wasn't there at the time - they weren't in existance. CNN was complaining not that the aid wasn't coming but that the President didn't go to personnally visit (might have cost him the election). Now, of course, it's a racist thing - was it a racist thing in 1992 when there was some white neighborhoods who received the help in the same amount of time?

It takes as long as it takes to get there.

[lenshanem]

The federal government is not allowed by our laws to take over state governments responsibilities - they can only assist after they are asked.

But they were asking! Shoot, even the Governor was on the TV BEGGING the president to help.

[Brianne]

This link was found on another site:

http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf

Look at the URL. Look at the date.

[What the Heck]

But they were asking! Shoot, even the Governor was on the TV BEGGING the president to help.When? Why didn't she put in place the procedures she was supposed to in order for that to happen? She had not done that by the 1st of September - that was what the mayor was screaming about. The President, according to the other Governors, was talking to them daily - was he upset at the LA governor and wasn't taking her calls? Or is it more likely he was talking to her and she was saying that they could handle it. Before the Levee's broke, it was entirely possible that they would have been able to handle it without federal troops. And, why didn't she call out her National Guard? Those are her troops, not the Presidents (unless they are nationalized). Should we also complain to the President and blame him because our local taxes are not right? Because we don't like a particular teacher in our children's school? How much power should we give a man that many people believe is completely incompetant?

[What the Heck]

This link was found on another site:

http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf

Look at the URL. Look at the date.I saw. Perhaps I missed something when I read it, but I didn't see the request for federal troops, which must be specifically requested. I saw a request that was acted upon by the President (he declared them disaster areas on that Sunday), I saw a request for money, but nowhere did I see a request for troops as is claimed now.

[dcentity2000]

A supposedly balanced cut-section of views received by the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4207856.stm



Rich::

[What the Heck]

A supposedly balanced cut-section of views received by the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4207856.stm



Rich::
Rich, those are views. It would be the equivalent of people saying their views on a specific law - they are nice, but it doesn't change the law.

[LoraJ]

I saw. Perhaps I missed something when I read it, but I didn't see the request for federal troops, which must be specifically requested. I saw a request that was acted upon by the President (he declared them disaster areas on that Sunday), I saw a request for money, but nowhere did I see a request for troops as is claimed now.


She requested those the day after.

[dcentity2000]

Rich, those are views. It would be the equivalent of people saying their views on a specific law - they are nice, but it doesn't change the law.

Never said it did :)

May I ask, what is the downside of us criticising President Bush here on the DIS? I understand that is is gross when gratuitous, of course, but not all criticism is necessarily gratuitous.



Rich::

[What the Heck]

Never said it did :)

May I ask, what is the downside of us criticising President Bush here on the DIS? I understand that is is gross when gratuitous, of course, but not all criticism is necessarily gratuitous.



Rich::The criticising of the President right now is starting to lean towards "Bush hates black people". Not here on the DIS but there are some respected leaders from the Black Caucaus who are coming out and saying that it was racist because New Orleans was 65% black, that is why he didn't help.

When he does something wrong, critisize away (I know it's spelled wrong). I personally will either defend him or not as is my right. But to blame him for what has happened - a false charge has to be challenged somewhere.

If there had been no challenge to the claims that have been made that it was all his fault, that the Governor had requested aid on the 28th (she did request money, but not troops and food as has been said), what would you think of our President? And how many might you influence when you talk to others?

Many will still blame the President no matter what. The Governor (who happens to be a Democrat) did no wrong in their eyes, or did little wrong. Others will say the President did nothing wrong. Those on the extremes will not have their opinions changed by anything I might say. However, those who are able to have an open mind, those in the middle. Perhaps they will at least listen.

[Saffron]

I can not believe this thread. Words can't even express my feelings. I don't live with blinders on. I don't follow anyone blindly, "just because". If you feel you want to, be my guest, but don't tell me or anyone else that we have to do what you do, "just because". America is the land of the free and the home of the brave, not the land of the mindless sheep. Like it or not.

[jcemom]

Tell you what--you like him so much, you can have him.

Anne
:rotfl:

[WDWBetsy]

Trust me, I feel for those in need. It breaks my heart. All I wanted to say in the original post is that it is breaking the Presidents heart too. Have compassion for a man with a very tough job. He needs the support of Americans right now.

Yeah - his job is a lot of hard work. Pushing policies out west, licking his fingers eating cake with John McCain and playing guitar with a country singer. Lots of hard work. While CNN showed people crying, begging for water, food, toilets. Crying for their relatives calling from their attics with the water up to their necks.

Sorry - I will not respect a man who doesn't get his priorities right. I guess since Cheney wasn't around, Bush just thought the mess could wait.

And for those who blame those who didn't heed the evacuation orders - a few were fools. But you need to educate yourself on poverty and the effects of it. NO MONEY = no ride out of town.

[lenshanem]

A supposedly balanced cut-section of views received by the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4207856.stm



Rich::


Wow...

[snoopy]

Many will still blame the President no matter what. The Governor (who happens to be a Democrat) did no wrong in their eyes, or did little wrong. Others will say the President did nothing wrong. Those on the extremes will not have their opinions changed by anything I might say. However, those who are able to have an open mind, those in the middle. Perhaps they will at least listen.

My anger at the government knows no boundaries. I'm disgusted that there are all those people who are virtually in a lock down in a place called HELL, and I blame ALL of the government, from the President on down for not getting them out of there. Up until last week, I expected our government to nurture its citizens above all else. Not so anymore. :(