Americans need to support their leader. Like it or not.

[Albertan mom]

I know you don't want to hear this. But you need to quit complaining and slamming Bush, and do what you can to help.

He is not responsible for the hurricane. He is not responsible for the creeps that are looting. He is not responsible for the people that didn't evacuate and died. He is doing all he can. He is bringing in troops, military, police. Canadian troops have been called in.

He is one man. But he is not the only man in the government.
You need to support him. Whether you voted for him or not. Whether you like him as a person or not.

America pulled together after 9-11. You need to pull together now. Sitting on the computer all day slamming Bush isn't helping anybody in New Orleans.

When I see him on the news, he is working his butt off. Have compassion for the man. He is doing the best he can. His heart is breaking just as yours is.
I can guarantee he didn't get any sleep the last few nights, and is working 24 hours a day to address the problems. He has a huge job on his shoulders, and needs your support. Not your criticism.

You think you could do better? You think you would have all the answers? Then get out there and do something about it. But slamming your leader...isn't helping anybody. You are just causing division, bitterness and hurt. Use the efforts it takes to be miserable, and help. Give money. Give blood. Have a fundraiser. Volunteer. Do what you can.

Just a point of view from a Canadian....

[ducklite]

Tell you what--you like him so much, you can have him.

Anne

[kikipug]

You think you could do better? You think you would have all the answers? Then get out there and do something about it. But slamming your leader...isn't helping anybody. You are just causing division, bitterness and hurt. Use the efforts it takes to be miserable, and help. Give money. Give blood. Have a fundraiser. Volunteer. Do what you can.

Just a point of view from a Canadian....

Well said... thank you.

[jellymanoffspring]

Thank you !!! That was very well said!!!

edited to add:thanks was for the OP

[CheshireVal]

Yuck. I will never support that man.

[AuntieM03]

Thank you, well said :flower:

[SplashLover93]

Can i just add he is going to WALK new orleans!~!!!!!! i mean how much more do you want him to do? he is having convoys going into the super dome area. and your all bashing him its not right! and for a person to say that and not be american is saying something! Good job!

[ncbyrne]

Tell you what--you like him so much, you can have him.

Anne
I can't believe you wrote that!! He IS the President. We have him, that's it!
When we vote in an election, it is simply one voice in the sea of millions. When our president sits in power, it is our duty, our right and our privilege to live in America and honor our government powers.

[peachgirl]

Tell you what--you like him so much, you can have him.

Anne

Amen!

Thank goodness you didn't "bash" the President Albertan mom, because you'd have the right coming down on your head like a ton of bricks telling you to mind your own business.

[mallcat]

Well said ! I agree. Everything turns to being political anymore. I can't hardly stand it. We need to concentrate on the task at hand. Instead of the blame game, see what you can do to help. Get out of this political funk, people! Donate, make phone calls, research charities, gather cans of food for food banks/drives, etc. QUIT MAKING EVERYTHING A POLITICAL DEBATE !

It's sad that it takes another country to point this out to us. I just want to say thanks to Canadians, Brits, French, German, Venezualan, Australian and any other country of people who are willing to help us in this time of need. This American appreciates it.

I try not to bash anyone. We all have differences of opinion on any given subject. It's ok to be passionate about something, but there are limits when passion becomes hate. Thanks, Albertan Mom !

[christinadei]

I totally agree. It's a shame that a Canadian has to tell Americans to support their leader. We are a free country, we elected our president and if you don't like him, too bad. You are stuck with him, it's so unpatriotic to bash your own president. No, he's not perfect, but he is our president. He deserves respect and support from all Americans. I normally stay completely out of the political debates, but it just irks me to see so many people constantly disrespecting their president. I didn't like Clinton, but no one ever heard me bash him. I may not have voted for him, but once he was our president, I respected and supported him because of his role in our country.

[ducklite]

I can't believe you wrote that!! He IS the President. We have him, that's it!

That's arguable considering the circumstances surrounding his first presidential election.

Anne

[peachgirl]

When our president sits in power, it is our duty, our right and our privilege to live in America and honor our government powers.

Good God, where do you get this stuff from?

Kindly point me to the spot in the constitution that say it's our duty to honor the "government powers".

Hate to break it to you, but he's not the King.

[JMD]

Very well said.

Its really sad that some people hate George Bush so much, they will use every opportunity they can to bash him. Even at the expense of thousands of dead and homeless in the wake of a major natural disaster.

[christinadei]

I can't believe you wrote that!! He IS the President. We have him, that's it!
When we vote in an election, it is simply one voice in the sea of millions. When our president sits in power, it is our duty, our right and our privilege to live in America and honor our government powers.

Very well said.

[alliecats]

Tell you what--you like him so much, you can have him.

Anne


ITA! Well said, Anne.

No improvements would ever be made in a country, in ANY situation, and this includes America, Canada, anywhere with democracy, if we always accept the status quo and no one ever steps up to question, challenge, or yes, even criticize leadership when leadership (at all levels, here) is shown to be LACKING. And believe me, those who are criticizing are all trying to help in all the ways you mentioned, including the donation of money, volunteering, and giving blood. I don't see how you can assume (because that is exactly what you are doing) that those who are pointing out failures and shortcomings aren't already ALSO doing as much as they can to correct the results of these shortcomings.

I think your comments are meant well, perhaps, but are more idealistic than practical or helpful. Just the point of view of an American.

[CheshireVal]

Hey people, you can't make us like the president. You can try, but I thought we went through all of this after the elections?

You want us to get out and start helping instead of whining about him? Well, tell you what, when I can actually leave work maybe I will. As it is, sitting here in front of the computer, all I can do about the situation is whine and complain.

And if I want to whine and complain about Bush because I think he's an idiot, then that's my right as an American.

[SplashLover93]

Well said ! I agree. Everything turns to being political anymore. I can't hardly stand it. We need to concentrate on the task at hand. Instead of the blame game, see what you can do to help. Get out of this political funk, people! Donate, make phone calls, research charities, gather cans of food for food banks/drives, etc. QUIT MAKING EVERYTHING A POLITICAL DEBATE !

It's sad that it takes another country to point this out to us. I just want to say thanks to Canadians, Brits, French, German, Venezualan, Australian and any other country of people who are willing to help us in this time of need. This American appreciates it.

I try not to bash anyone. We all have differences of opinion on any given subject. It's ok to be passionate about something, but there are limits when passion becomes hate. Thanks, Albertan Mom !
AMEN TO THAT! everything that happens is a political debate! *shakes head*

[eclectics]

Can i just add he is going to WALK new orleans!~!!!!!! i mean how much more do you want him to do? he is having convoys going into the super dome area. and your all bashing him its not right! and for a person to say that and not be american is saying something! Good job!

Not to add to any debate but he is not "walking" New Orleans. He is taking a ariel helicopter tour and then landing at the airport in Kenner. No plans for him to do anything else.

[alliecats]

I can't believe you wrote that!! He IS the President. We have him, that's it!
When we vote in an election, it is simply one voice in the sea of millions. When our president sits in power, it is our duty, our right and our privilege to live in America and honor our government powers.


Exactly! Just like the way Clinton was honored when times got tough, right?

[christinadei]

Well said ! I agree. Everything turns to being political anymore. I can't hardly stand it. We need to concentrate on the task at hand. Instead of the blame game, see what you can do to help. Get out of this political funk, people! Donate, make phone calls, research charities, gather cans of food for food banks/drives, etc. QUIT MAKING EVERYTHING A POLITICAL DEBATE !

It's sad that it takes another country to point this out to us. I just want to say thanks to Canadians, Brits, French, German, Venezualan, Australian and any other country of people who are willing to help us in this time of need. This American appreciates it.

I try not to bash anyone. We all have differences of opinion on any given subject. It's ok to be passionate about something, but there are limits when passion becomes hate. Thanks, Albertan Mom !

YOu are so right. I'm so sick of everything becoming a political debate or a bush bashing excuse. He didn't make the hurricanes, he's doing all in his powers to fix it. He's not God,, he can't snap his fingers and make it all go away. Give him credit for what he is doing and stop blaming him for things that are out of his control.

[JMD]

And if I want to whine and complain about Bush because I think he's an idiot, then that's my right as an American.

That is absolutely true. Its just sad you have to use a major national tradegy to push your political agenda.

[christinadei]

Hey people, you can't make us like the president. You can try, but I thought we went through all of this after the elections?

No one is trying to make you LIKE President Bush, but he deserves your respect. Like it or not, our country elected him.

[C.Ann]

If his response had been immediate, I would support his efforts..

Five days later? I can not - and will not - respect him or his lack of leadership in the face of this disaster.. He is at the TOP.. It is HIS job to have a plan in place that does not take 5 days to swing into action..

The speech he just gave on television was enough to make me vomit.. I have never heard such patronizing lip-service in my entire life..

He is a disgrace.. He has FAILED as the leader of this country..

No - I will NOT support him..

[alliecats]

That is absolutely true. Its just sad you have to use a major national tradegy to push your political agenda.


Bush used the 9/11 tragedy in his platform for reelection to the point that it was noticed and commented on by people on BOTH sides. If you're going to point using a tragedy for an agenda out on this side, please make sure you also address it everywhere else it has applied. Besides, there are a lot of disillusioned Republicans upset with him right now (on these very boards), what agenda are they pushing?

[CheshireVal]

That is absolutely true. Its just sad you have to use a major national tradegy to push your political agenda.

I have no political agenda, really. I just don't like the president and don't think he's handled his job very well-- especially during this disaster.

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

Sorry, but ...in order for him to DESERVE our respect - he would have to first EARN it!

[alliecats]

No one is trying to make you LIKE President Bush, but he deserves your respect. Like it or not, our country elected him.


Respect has to be EARNED.

[sodaseller]

The United States uses democratically elected government, a/k/a popular sovereignty a/k/a consent of the governed. Citizens therefore have not just the right but the affirmative duty to demand that their leaders respond. That will not always occur, consistent with republican principles. But our form of government explicitly contradicts an obeisant attitude to our leaders - that ended with the Divine Right of Kings

[AuntieM03]

I think that everyone has a right to their opinion. They have a right to disdain (or hate) the President. I just think there will be days, months and years that everyone will be able to give their opinion on how this was all handled. It would just be nice if we had less Bush bashing and more solidarity in our grief.

[wdw4us2]

He is not responsible for the hurricane. He is not responsible for the creeps that are looting. He is not responsible for the people that didn't evacuate and died. He is doing all he can. He is bringing in troops, military, police. Canadian troops have been called in.

He is one man. But he is not the only man in the government.
You need to support him. Whether you voted for him or not. Whether you like him as a person or not.

America pulled together after 9-11. You need to pull together now. Sitting on the computer all day slamming Bush isn't helping anybody in New Orleans.

Just a point of view from a Canadian....

Thank you for your kind words. :sunny:

We in the US are fortunate to have neighbors like you.

[Aidensmom]

Everyone has the right to their opinion about the President, and you do not have to like him, but I do believe that whoever is elected should be supported. Thanks OP for reminding us of that.

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

I always liked this:

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

"Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149

[snoopy]

Who are you to tell me what my patriotic duty is? My idea of patriotic duty is to speak out when I feel injustice has been done. There are people dying down there and the President is on vacation? You betcha I'm going to speak out. Sorry you don't like it, but in America, last time I checked, our basic principles were founded on people speaking out against injustice.

[kikipug]

My idea of patriotic duty is to speak out when I feel injustice has been done.

My idea of patriotic duty is to help our fellow Americans... what have each of you done to HELP our fellow Americans in this situation?

[Pete's Mom]

That's arguable considering the circumstances surrounding his first presidential election.

Anne You know, I think you are absolutely right, he didn't win which means

BUSH/CHENEY 2008!!

[sodaseller]

My idea of patriotic duty is to help our fellow Americans... what have each of you done to HELP our fellow Americans in this situation?
That's the point - the urtext of a lot of these thraeds is that these people are NOT "our fellow Americans".

[ducklite]

Sorry, but ...in order for him to DESERVE our respect - he would have to first EARN it!

VERY VERY VERY well said!

Anne

[snoopy]

My idea of patriotic duty is to help our fellow Americans... what have each of you done to HELP our fellow Americans in this situation?

Are you for real????

I don't owe you any explanations whatsoever!!! You have NO RIGHT to judge me as an American or a person, you don't even KNOW ME! Because I oppose the actions our President has taken you feel its YOUR RIGHT to insinuate I have not helped out my fellow Americans????

Un-freaking believable.....the DIS never ceases to amaze me with its smugness. :(

[JMD]

Bush used the 9/11 tragedy in his platform for reelection to the point that it was noticed and commented on by people on BOTH sides. If you're going to point using a tragedy for an agenda out on this side, please make sure you also address it everywhere else it has applied. Besides, there are a lot of disillusioned Republicans upset with him right now (on these very boards), what agenda are they pushing?


Who said anything about 9/11? I don't see how that applies to anything.

9/11 was the defining moment of Bush's presidency and this country. His response to it will be remembered throughout history. Why wouldn't he use that on his platform while running for president. Presidents have always used their military record to persuade voters. Is that using someone else's tragedy to push a political agenda?

[SherryNC]

Wow, I REALLY appreciate your words. :goodvibes It has special meaning coming from someone from a different country. :)

[Alicnwondrln]

Can i just add he is going to WALK new orleans!~!!!!!! i mean how much more do you want him to do? he is having convoys going into the super dome area. and your all bashing him its not right! and for a person to say that and not be american is saying something! Good job!
i sure hes not going near the mob of people
cuz they would tear him apart

[ducklite]

My idea of patriotic duty is to help our fellow Americans... what have each of you done to HELP our fellow Americans in this situation?


Hmmm...I guess I haven't done much.

Anne

[Planogirl]

We have the right to criticize our leadership when we feel that it has failed. It's part of being an American.

NO ONE has the right to tell us that we can't speak up. That's tyranny.

ETA: Anne, you've done a lot! I've marveled at everything you've mentioned alone.

[kikipug]

You have NO RIGHT to judge me as an American or a person, you don't even KNOW ME! Because I oppose the actions our President has taken you feel its YOUR RIGHT to insinuate I have not helped out my fellow Americans????


I asked a simple question... there was no judgement implied... nor was there any insuation that you didn't do something to help.

[Lessa of Pern]

Harry Truman:

"The buck stops here."

our government has failed the victims of the hurricane. Bush, as head of the government, should be responsible for the abysmal failure of our federal government's relief efforts. it is our duty, as Americans, to speak out about this failure and the horrific position our fellow citizens have found themselves in as a result.

if our president calls upon us to do something to aid our fellow citizens in this crisis, of course we should do so. but supporting his efforts does not mean turning a blind eye to his failures.

[Albertan mom]

I didnt start this thread to argue about what Bush has/hasn't done. There are lots of other threads to do that. I just started it to remind you to respect, honor and support your president. He is doing the best he can in the situation.

Like it or not, he is your elected government official. He is not on vacation. He is working behind the scenes, doing all he can. He is on the scene, going to New Orleans to walk through it. (which I would not do in his situation-I would be scared for my life) He is only one man. Lay off him, let him do the job you elected him to do.

Yes, Respect has to be earned, but to be able to respect your leader, whatever the circumstances, only comes with maturity. You may not have voted for him, you may not agree with him, but be mature, and support him.

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

[minkydog]

Tell you what--you like him so much, you can have him.

Anne

You know what? This attitude makes my blood boil. I didn't like Clinton too much, but I never would have made a comment like that. Like it or not, Bush is the president we have and we owe him our support during a national emergency. Get over it. I see you have been tooting your own horn here for several days. Time to get off the seat and get out there, methinks. I'm sure the people of Louisiana would just snap you up. :rolleyes1

[julia & nicks mom]

If his response had been immediate, I would support his efforts..

Five days later? I can not - and will not - respect him or his lack of leadership in the face of this disaster.. He is at the TOP.. It is HIS job to have a plan in place that does not take 5 days to swing into action..

The speech he just gave on television was enough to make me vomit.. I have never heard such patronizing lip-service in my entire life..

He is a disgrace.. He has FAILED as the leader of this country..

No - I will NOT support him..


Until the levees broke everyone thought NO had been spared - the need for such massive relief efforts was not clear at first - once it became clear - the president immediately took action and by Wednesday(less than 24 hours after the situation became dire) had a comprehensive plan set in motion - as another poster said he can't snap his fingers and magically solve the problem.

[LvsTnk]

Sorry, I don't have to support this president and his actions at this time.

I don't know who said he is actually walking NO, I heard one news channel say he would "like to". I wouldn't think that would be a wise decision for him right now.

[Sandy22]

Tell you what--you like him so much, you can have him.

Anne

OH NO! Canada does not want George W. Bush. You elected him...you keep him. Canadians have elected liberals for the past 15 years and I don't see the country changing its social direction any time soon.

But I do think AlbertaMom makes a good point...now is not the time for criticism...there will be plenty of time for that later. Fingerpointing is wasting time and energy...the focus should be on helping those who need it.

[Pete's Mom]

i sure hes not going near the mob of people
cuz they would tear him apart FYI - that mob would tear anyone apart right now. :rolleyes:

[minniepumpernickel]

Until the levees broke everyone thought NO had been spared - the need for such massive relief efforts was not clear at first - once it became clear - the president immediately took action and by Wednesday(less than 24 hours after the situation became dire) had a comprehensive plan set in motion - as another poster said he can't snap his fingers and magically solve the problem.

It's still horrible there, and people are still suffering. How do you explain that? :rotfl:

[wvrevy]

Give me a president worth respecting, and he won't have to ask for support, it will be freely given.

The piece of trash currently in office ? If you like him, you're welcome to him.

[palmtreegirl]

I'm sorry but I don't think it's your place to lecture us on how we should feel, especially when it's done in such a condecending tone. I'd feel the exact same way even if this didn't involve Bush and there was a Democratic President being criticized by Republicans.

[Chicago526]

Teddy Roosevelt (you know, that former President?) said this:

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

"Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
May 7, 1918

[minkydog]

Good God, where do you get this stuff from?

Kindly point me to the spot in the constitution that say it's our duty to honor the "government powers".

Hate to break it to you, but he's not the King.

Uh, well since you brought God into it...God says so. :confused3 In the Bible it clearly says we are to honor our leaders, whether we like them or not. God tells us that He has His hand in every situation and I would not be so bold as to try to decipher this one. I'm not trying to start a religious debate here, but when you post scripture in your signature I assume you have read enough of the Bible to know this part.

[dcentity2000]

How about an end to apologising for incompetence?



Rich::

[sodaseller]

I didnt start this thread to argue about what Bush has/hasn't done. There are lots of other threads to do that. I just started it to remind you to respect, honor and support your president. He is doing the best he can in the situation.

Like it or not, he is your elected government official. He is not on vacation. He is working behind the scenes, doing all he can. He is on the scene, going to New Orleans to walk through it. (which I would not do in his situation-I would be scared for my life) He is only one man. Lay off him, let him do the job you elected him to do.

Yes, Respect has to be earned, but to be able to respect your leader, whatever the circumstances, only comes with maturity. You may not have voted for him, you may not agree with him, but be mature, and support him.

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Psssst - I hear President Bush uses a OUIJA Board

[MosMom]

Personally, I think it was all the criticism of the American people that kicked all of this new aid into gear. Yesterday was a horrible day and when the press started showing human suffering, Americans were enraged and rightfully so. Then all of a sudden...things start happening. The government is employed by US and it is up to us sometimes to get things done. The way we get things done is to voice our disapproval and demand change.

I think if we wait and say "Gee, you guys really sucked at getting water to those people" in 2 weeks....it will be a little late for those people who have died in the meantime.

[ducklite]

We have the right to criticize our leadership when we feel that it has failed. It's part of being an American.

NO ONE has the right to tell us that we can't speak up. That's tyranny.

ETA: Anne, you've done a lot! I've marveled at everything you've mentioned alone.

Thanks, but I actually feel very ineffective this time around.

I'm going to go off topic here...

The animal rescue people are having a terrible time getting into affected areas and setting up evacuation and triage areas just on the outskirts.

The National Guard is allowing the media in to get people hysterical, but isn't allowing trained, experienced disaster vlunteers in to get stranded animals out. They are equipped to handle pretty much any type of domestic animal or livestock, they have probably the largest network of shelters--public, private, and breed specific EVER set up for a situation like this, as well as the transportation chains and vehicles to move these animals, but they can't get in to get them. WHY!!!??!?!?!? The South Eastern Regional Director of HSUS is frustrated beyond belief, and the director of Noah's Wish is beside herself.

Meanwhile, animals are dying and this will only contribute to disease.

Anne

[julia & nicks mom]

It's still horrible there, and people are still suffering. How do you explain that? :rotfl:


did I say it wasn't horrible there? No - the statement was made that if he hadn't waited 5 days she would have more respect for him - I was pointing out that once the situation became dire - he began efforts to put massive aid in place within 24 hours - her statement was false

it doesn't mean that people aren't suffering - it means they are trying but in our society of instant gratification - it just isn't fast enough

[tar heel]

It's my right as an American to think and say that he should be ashamed of himself for not ending his vacation immediately when it became clear that a major hurricane was going to make landfall in the United States. He should have been out of Crawford and back in Washington making sure his administration was preparing for a natural disaster BEFORE the hurricane even hit. And regardless of whether the NO levee system could have been shored up on his watch, the fact that BILLIONS of dollars were going to Iraq when it wasn't being done is certainly a legitimate issue.

I don't support Bush politically, but he surprised me in a good way in the immediate aftermath of 911. That certainly isn't the case this week.

[CarolA]

OK.

I have the RIGHT to complain about my leadership at ANY time.... I am tired of this "you are not a patriot" if you don't complain. We have screwed up and as someone pointed out.. the buck has to stop somewhere... In the Bush White House they want to subsribe to the "Blame anyone but us rule" I am not happy and to be honest... Bill Frist is pretty low on my list... Hope the republicans are not counting on my vote next time around.

And this is going to infuriate Anne, but I am sorry... if the press had NOT been allowed in would we know what is going on.... So I am glad they were let in before the animal folks. I love dogs and cats but I want the effort now on HUMANS!!!!! I am not going to get worked up over the animals right now... let's get real we are treating folks in NO much worse then most of us treat our pets....

[C.Ann]

Until the levees broke everyone thought NO had been spared - the need for such massive relief efforts was not clear at first - once it became clear - the president immediately took action and by Wednesday(less than 24 hours after the situation became dire) had a comprehensive plan set in motion - as another poster said he can't snap his fingers and magically solve the problem.
-----------------

Sorry to disagree, but this disaster is NOT just about NO.. Biloxi has also gone without food and water for an equal number of days.. You can't use "one" area as an excuse for lack of leadership..

[Sk8Leigh]

IMO, it was first and foremost the responsibility of the governments of New Orleans and Louisiana. Bush declared everything disaster areas and got FEMA ready before the hurricane even hit. It was the state and local governments that did a bad job with the plans on what to do (not to mention not trying to do something to improve the whole levee situation in the first place!), and the feds are doing what they can to help. But it is not their primary responsibility!

And for all of you who hate Bush so much and tell us we can have him, well we do, and I'm happy and thankful for it! I just pray he'll be safe if he walks New Orleans. You couldn't get me anywhere near there! It's total chaos!

[sodaseller]

it doesn't mean that people aren't suffering - it means they are trying but in our society of instant gratification - it just isn't fast enough

I don't think that wanting to have food water and medical care within 5 days amounts to a desire for "instant gratification"

[wvrevy]

did I say it wasn't horrible there? No - the statement was made that if he hadn't waited 5 days she would have more respect for him - I was pointing out that once the situation became dire - he began efforts to put massive aid in place within 24 hours - her statement was false

it doesn't mean that people aren't suffering - it means they are trying but in our society of instant gratification - it just isn't fast enough
I hate to tell you...no, wait, I don't...but people have been predicting this exact scenario for years if a major hurricane hit the New Orleans area. Where were the preperations ahead of the storm ?

[ElleBelle]

[QUOTE=CheshireVal]You want us to get out and start helping instead of whining about him? Well, tell you what, when I can actually leave work maybe I will.

Amen to that! As a nurse, I have found nothing positive that has come under the Bush administration. (I.E. MANDATORY OVERTIME :Pinkbounc)

My personal feeling is that enough is enough. We are losing our men, time, supplies and money overseas in Iraq, when we have people now in our own country that need all of those things. There are people dying in our very own states, yet part of the main focus seems to be on gas prices??????!!!!!???? Give me a break people! If you think Bush is concerned with the well-being of the people in Louisiana and Mississippi more than he is concerned with the well being of his relations with those who supply our crude oil, you have something else coming. Politics are politics.

Since 9/11 all that our president- "our leader"- has promised us is that we as a country are more prepared for disaster than ever. Obviously, this is false.
So the next time your talking about "how much safer you feel since 9/11"- just think back to how well our government responded to all the victims of hurricane katrina, and remember to kiss your behind goodbye if there is ever another terrorist attack on US soil.

All things said, I do believe we have a beautiful country full of beautiful and truly kind-hearted people. Our focus is just in the wrong areas.

[sodaseller]

. But it is not their primary responsibility!


It is in the reality based world. And FEMA was not ready - FEMA's director wan't even aware of the Convention Center

[JoeEpcotRocks]

We have the right to criticize our leadership when we feel that it has failed. It's part of being an American.

NO ONE has the right to tell us that we can't speak up. That's tyranny.

ETA: Anne, you've done a lot! I've marveled at everything you've mentioned alone.

Tyranny - what a laugh.

Of course you have the right to speak up. But, all the Bush bashing on the DIS never ceases to amaze me. Some people are still carping on the 2000 election.

There are so many details we do not know yet - especially communication issues by local, state, and federal agencies.

We could be yelling our "I told you so's" on building a major city below sea level near large bodies of water in a hurricane area too, but what good would that do.

Now is the time for support and unity and prayer. It is so easy to be a critic. I grew up on a Mississippi town, too. When it flooded, we didn't blame the President.

[wvrevy]

IMO, it was first and foremost the responsibility of the governments of New Orleans and Louisiana. Bush declared everything disaster areas and got FEMA ready before the hurricane even hit. It was the state and local governments that did a bad job with the plans on what to do (not to mention not trying to do something to improve the whole levee situation in the first place!), and the feds are doing what they can to help. But it is not their primary responsibility!

And for all of you who hate Bush so much and tell us we can have him, well we do, and I'm happy and thankful for it! I just pray he'll be safe if he walks New Orleans. You couldn't get me anywhere near there! It's total chaos!

The local and state governments are nowhere near equipped to deal with a problem of this magnitude ! Not even close.

Just another Bush fan trying to make excuses. The man is incompetant. Period.

[C.Ann]

did I say it wasn't horrible there? No - the statement was made that if he hadn't waited 5 days she would have more respect for him - I was pointing out that once the situation became dire - he began efforts to put massive aid in place within 24 hours - her statement was false
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If you are referring to my statement, it certainly is NOT false.. Your analysis of the situation is based solely on what happened in ONE area - NO.. It has been reported that there is 560 miles of devastation - FAR from the levees..

Where was the President? He was on vacation.. TODAY he announces that the relief efforts don't seem to be "sufficient".. I hope the dead and dying can hear that.. It will be a great comfort to them, I'm sure..

[ducklite]

And this is going to infuriate Anne, but I am sorry... if the press had NOT been allowed in would we know what is going on.... So I am glad they were let in before the animal folks. I love dogs and cats but I want the effort now on HUMANS!!!!! I am not going to get worked up over the animals right now... let's get real we are treating folks in NO much worse then most of us treat our pets....

I have no problem with the prss being in there, my problem is that they are allowing them in but won't allow trained volunteers from recognized agencies in to areas which are not dangerous in MS and AL and "safe" parts of LA. Unless you want people grabbed with a safety pole, loaded into a crate, fed hay, and moved to a kennel, not sure how animal rescue folks could help people. These people have a proven track record of safely and effectively working disasters, its' not they are renegades.

Anne

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I'll stop complainign about him when the last child is picked up---or when he starts eating MRE's until rescue efforts are completed.

[JoeEpcotRocks]

[QUOTE=CheshireVal]You want us to get out and start helping instead of whining about him? Well, tell you what, when I can actually leave work maybe I will.

Amen to that! As a nurse, I have found nothing positive that has come under the Bush administration. (I.E. MANDATORY OVERTIME :Pinkbounc)

My personal feeling is that enough is enough. We are losing our men, time, supplies and money overseas in Iraq, when we have people now in our own country that need all of those things. There are people dying in our very own states, yet part of the main focus seems to be on gas prices??????!!!!!???? Give me a break people! If you think Bush is concerned with the well-being of the people in Louisiana and Mississippi more than he is concerned with the well being of his relations with those who supply our crude oil, you have something else coming. Politics are politics.

Since 9/11 all that our president- "our leader"- has promised us is that we as a country are more prepared for disaster than ever. Obviously, this is false.
So the next time your talking about "how much safer you feel since 9/11"- just think back to how well our government responded to all the victims of hurricane katrina, and remember to kiss your behind goodbye if there is ever another terrorist attack on US soil.

All things said, I do believe we have a beautiful country full of beautiful and truly kind-hearted people. Our focus is just in the wrong areas.


Yes, more conspiracy theories with a touch of America first thrown in.:sad2:

[peachgirl]

Uh, well since you brought God into it...God says so. :confused3 In the Bible it clearly says we are to honor our leaders, whether we like them or not. God tells us that He has His hand in every situation and I would not be so bold as to try to decipher this one. I'm not trying to start a religious debate here, but when you post scripture in your signature I assume you have read enough of the Bible to know this part.

Ok then..:rolleyes:

You know, I haven't had one liberal comment on my signature, but I've had 4 right wingers do it...why is that? Does it really bother you that much that a liberal Democrat is also religous?

[dcentity2000]

Yes, more conspiracy theories with a touch of America first thrown in.:sad2:

What conspiracy theories?



Rich::

[MosMom]

Tell me Joe, when your town in Mississippi flooded were you supposed to receive federal funding to improve your levee system that was pulled because it wasn't viewed as important as war?

[Planogirl]

And this is going to infuriate Anne, but I am sorry... if the press had NOT been allowed in would we know what is going on.... So I am glad they were let in before the animal folks. I love dogs and cats but I want the effort now on HUMANS!!!!! I am not going to get worked up over the animals right now... let's get real we are treating folks in NO much worse then most of us treat our pets....
The Humane Societies would not be there if animals weren't in need of rescue so saying that they should be dealing with humans only is pointless. The animals need to be removed both dead or alive or conditions will only worsen in NOLA.

[peachgirl]

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Our solution is to get rid of the problem...So, I guess I'm part of the solution, huh?:)

[lyeag]

It is in the reality based world. And FEMA was not ready - FEMA's director wan't even aware of the Convention Center


Neither did the mayor and his police dept was sending people there.

[sodaseller]

Doses of reality Link (http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/12528233.htm)
Bush administration officials said they're proud of their efforts. Their first efforts emphasized rooftop rescues over providing food and water for already safe victims.


"We are extremely pleased with the response of every element of the federal government (and) all of our federal partners have made to this terrible tragedy," Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff said during a news conference Wednesday in Washington.


The agency has more than 1,700 truckloads of water, meals, tents, generators and other supplies ready to go in, Chertoff said. Federal health officials have started setting up at least 40 medical shelters. The Coast Guard reports rescuing more than 1,200 people.



For example, in the 1990s, in planning for a New Orleans nightmare scenario, the federal government figured it would pre-deploy nearby ships with pumps to remove water from the below-sea-level city and have hospital ships nearby, said James Lee Witt, who was FEMA director under President Clinton.


Federal officials said a hospital ship would leave from Baltimore on Friday.


"These things need to be planned and prepared for; it just doesn't look like it was," said Witt, a former Arkansas disaster chief who won bipartisan praise on Capitol Hill during his tenure.


FEMA said some of its response teams were prepared.

[septbride2002]

I didnt start this thread to argue about what Bush has/hasn't done. There are lots of other threads to do that. I just started it to remind you to respect, honor and support your president. He is doing the best he can in the situation.

Like it or not, he is your elected government official. He is not on vacation. He is working behind the scenes, doing all he can. He is on the scene, going to New Orleans to walk through it. (which I would not do in his situation-I would be scared for my life) He is only one man. Lay off him, let him do the job you elected him to do.

Yes, Respect has to be earned, but to be able to respect your leader, whatever the circumstances, only comes with maturity. You may not have voted for him, you may not agree with him, but be mature, and support him.

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

I'm sorry but who are you to tell any of us how to handle the situation. I guess I am amazingly gifted because I can do multiple things at once. I can donate money to red cross - while questioning my leaders. I can gather blankets and used clothing to give to a convoy going down to NO tomorrow - while questioning if more could be done by our govenrment. I can pray for those who are down there, while wondering why it took 4 days for food and water.

Respect is earned. And while I do disagree with some statements regarding President Bush, who the hell are you to tell any of us how to be the proper American?

~Amanda

[Independent]

The United States uses democratically elected government, a/k/a popular sovereignty a/k/a consent of the governed. Citizens therefore have not just the right but the affirmative duty to demand that their leaders respond. That will not always occur, consistent with republican principles. But our form of government explicitly contradicts an obeisant attitude to our leaders - that ended with the Divine Right of Kings
Excellent post!

[JoeEpcotRocks]

What conspiracy theories?



Rich::


Oh, you know the usual Bush and "Big Oil" nonsense.

[sodaseller]

Ok then..:rolleyes:

You know, I haven't had one liberal comment on my signature, but I've had 4 right wingers do it...why is that? Does it really bother you that much that a liberal Democrat is also religous?
Remember, Jesus wants you to be obedient to leaders even if people are dying in the process - that was core part of hismessage

[RC Fan]

Since I don't recall when we Canadians were last 'behind' our Prime Minister, I don't feel it is fair to berate the Americans for having doubts about their President. If Americans have valid, legitimate complaints about Bush, then their concerns should be both voiced and heard.

[septbride2002]

I asked a simple question... there was no judgement implied... nor was there any insuation that you didn't do something to help.

B!S! You know it, I know it, and others on this thread know it. No one owes you any explanation for what they have done. Snoopy and her husband are some of the most caring individuals on this board. Her DH's job is directly involved with protecting the President so maybe you should take a step down and show some respect for people who are actually involved!

~Amanda

[Planogirl]

I'm sorry but who are you to tell any of us how to handle the situation. I guess I am amazingly gifted because I can do multiple things at once. I can donate money to red cross - while questioning my leaders. I can gather blankets and used clothing to give to a convoy going down to NO tomorrow - while questioning if more could be done by our govenrment. I can pray for those who are down there, while wondering why it took 4 days for food and water.

Respect is earned. And while I do disagree with some statements regarding President Bush, who the hell are you to tell any of us how to be the proper American?

~Amanda
Great post! :cheer2:

[peachgirl]

Remember, Jesus wants you to be obedient to leaders even if people are dying in the process - that was core part of hismessage

I'm going to get my Bible and see if I can find the passages that refer to that particular idea...

I'll post it when I find it...

Just in case, don't hold your breath waiting.

[wvrevy]

Oh, you know the usual Bush and "Big Oil" nonsense.
You mean the ones Bill O'Reilley was agreeing with and talking about on his show last night ? (you know Bill, don't you ? That ultra leftist liberal on Fox News ? :rolleyes: ).

[sodaseller]

More reality
Drum (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_09/007026.php) CLUELESS....Could the people in charge of managing the catastrophe in New Orleans possibly be more clueless?


George W. Bush, President of the United States, six days after repeated warnings from experts about the scope of damage expected from Hurricane Katrina: "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees."


Michael Chertoff, Secretary of Homeland Security, following widespread eyewitness reports of refugees living like animals at the Convention Center: "I have not heard a report of thousands of people in the Convention Center who don't have food and water."


Mike Brown, Director of FEMA, referring to people who were stuck in New Orleans largely because they were too poor to afford the means to leave: "...those who are stranded, who chose not to evacuate, who chose not to leave the city..."


Patrick Rhode, deputy director of FEMA, commenting on his agency's performance after four days of steadily increasing urban warfare, deeply flawed coordination, and continuing inability to evacuate refugees: "Probably one of the most efficient and effective responses in the country's history."


Dennis Hastert, Speaker of the House of Representatives, providing needed reassurance to the newly homeless: "It makes no sense to spend billions of dollars to rebuild a city that's seven feet under sea level....It looks like a lot of that place could be bulldozed."


This is beyond belief. What's with these people?




CHRONOLOGY....Here's a timeline that outlines the fate of both FEMA and flood control projects in New Orleans under the Bush administration. Read it and weep:


January 2001: Bush appoints Joe Allbaugh, a crony from Texas, as head of FEMA. Allbaugh has no previous experience in disaster management.


April 2001: Budget Director Mitch Daniels announces the Bush administration's goal of privatizing much of FEMA's work. In May, Allbaugh confirms that FEMA will be downsized: "Many are concerned that federal disaster assistance may have evolved into both an oversized entitlement program...." he said. "Expectations of when the federal government should be involved and the degree of involvement may have ballooned beyond what is an appropriate level."


2001: FEMA designates a major hurricane hitting New Orleans as one of the three "likeliest, most catastrophic disasters facing this country."


December 2002: After less than two years at FEMA, Allbaugh announces he is leaving to start up a consulting firm that advises companies seeking to do business in Iraq. He is succeeded by his deputy, Michael Brown, who, like Allbaugh, has no previous experience in disaster management.


March 2003: FEMA is downgraded from a cabinet level position and folded into the Department of Homeland Security. Its mission is refocused on fighting acts of terrorism.


2003: Under its new organization chart within DHS, FEMA's preparation and planning functions are reassigned to a new Office of Preparedness and Response. FEMA will henceforth focus only on response and recovery.


Summer 2004: FEMA denies Louisiana's pre-disaster mitigation funding requests. Says Jefferson Parish flood zone manager Tom Rodrigue: "You would think we would get maximum consideration....This is what the grant program called for. We were more than qualified for it."


June 2004: The Army Corps of Engineers budget for levee construction in New Orleans is slashed. Jefferson Parish emergency management chiefs Walter Maestri comments: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay."


June 2005: Funding for the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is cut by a record $71.2 million. One of the hardest-hit areas is the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, which was created after the May 1995 flood to improve drainage in Jefferson, Orleans and St. Tammany parishes.


August 2005: While New Orleans is undergoing a slow motion catastrophe, Bush mugs for the cameras, cuts a cake for John McCain, plays the guitar for Mark Wills, delivers an address about V-J day, and continues with his vacation. When he finally gets around to acknowledging the scope of the unfolding disaster, he delivers only a photo op on Air Force One and a flat, defensive, laundry list speech in the Rose Garden.


So: A crony with no relevant experience was installed as head of FEMA. Mitigation budgets for New Orleans were slashed even though it was known to be one of the top three risks in the country. FEMA was deliberately downsized as part of the Bush administration's conservative agenda to reduce the role of government. After DHS was created, FEMA's preparation and planning functions were taken away.

Actions have consequences. No one could predict that a hurricane the size of Katrina would hit this year, but the slow federal response when it did happen was no accident. It was the result of four years of deliberate Republican policy and budget choices that favor ideology and partisan loyalty at the expense of operational competence. It's the Bush administration in a nutshell.

[JoeEpcotRocks]

You mean the ones Bill O'Reilley was agreeing with and talking about on his show last night ? (you know Bill, don't you ? That ultra leftist liberal on Fox News ? :rolleyes: ).

I rarely watch Bill.

(I hope WV has a good football season.)

[ElleBelle]

Oh, you know the usual Bush and "Big Oil" nonsense.

I'm not quite sure how what I said is nonsense. I was simply stating fact. You AND I both know that politics are politics. Just like I said. People are people. Money is what they're about.

I'm entitled to my own opinion and I don't appreciate the sarcasm. :flower:

[sodaseller]

Give them time!

BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4154791.stm) Dec. 26, 0059 GMT Quake hits.
Dec. 26, 0130 GMT Tsunami hits.
Dec. 28, Relief operation begins.
Jan 1. US Aircraft carrier arrives in Indonesia, sending helicopters, heavy machinery, and water purifcation equipment to Banda Aceh.

A Brief Timeline of the Berlin Airlift


June 24, 1948: Blockade of Berlin begins.
June 25, 1948: Berlin airlift begins.
May 12, 1949: Blockade ends.
September 30, 1949: Airlift ends.

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I'm not quite sure how what I said is nonsense. I was simply stating fact. You AND I both know that politics are politics. Just like I said. People are people. Money is what they're about.

I'm entitled to my own opinion and I don't appreciate the sarcasm. :flower:

If you don't appreciate sarcasm, you should re-read your own post.

And above, first you say you were simply stating facts and then you say your entitled to your own opinion.

Yes you can have your opionins and big oil conspiracy theories. Another Bush basher.

[shortbun]

Tell you what--you like him so much, you can have him.

Anne

Yeah, take him. I'm ignoring him. No critique from me. He's not that important. Bye.

[ducklite]

I'm going to get my Bible and see if I can find the passages that refer to that particular idea...

I'll post it when I find it...

Just in case, don't hold your breath waiting.

Hey, if you find it, let me know--I don't quite recall that one in my four years of Catholic HS religious ed.

Anne

[sodaseller]

I'm going to get my Bible and see if I can find the passages that refer to that particular idea...

I'll post it when I find it...

Just in case, don't hold your breath waiting.
It's right here (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/132/story_13245.html)

[C.Ann]

Another Bush basher.
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Well you can count me in too.. I've never been a "Bush basher" before, but I sure as heck am now..

Since 9/11 he has droned on and on about how well this country is "prepared for massive destruction".. How the government will be here to "protect it's citizens".. I was STUPID enough to believe him.. I will never believe another word that comes out of his mouth..

[FionaLovesShrek]

Sorry, but ...in order for him to DESERVE our respect - he would have to first EARN it!

Hmm..I find this sad. My DD once said those words to me RE: an adult she didn't like. I told her that when it comes to people in authority, they do not have to earn our respect, we give it because of their position of authority to us.

[peachgirl]

It's right here (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/132/story_13245.html)

:rotfl:

I forget that not all of us have the same bible!;)

[elmo2wdw]

I totally agree with the OP.....wonderfuly stated!!!

[gina2000]

Local, state and Federal government have failed these people. And you have to start at the top as far as blame is concerned. That's the reality...he gets the glory when things go right and he gets the blame when things fall apart. And quite frankly, this tragedy is a travesty in US history. Our reaction time has been abysmal and our communication has been non existant. Haven't we learned anything since 9/11? And if we've learned it, why haven't we implemented it?

As far as not complaining, people are currently dying overseas to promote the very freedoms we cherish. One of them is freedom of speech. I can't imagine living in an America where I cannot use my voice and my vote to express myself. We have fought for that right and will continue to fight for that right with our last breath. Don't disparage it....you may understand how important it is should it ever be gone.

[Albertan mom]

Hmm..I find this sad. My DD once said those words to me RE: an adult she didn't like. I told her that when it comes to people in authority, they do not have to earn our respect, we give it because of their position of authority to us.

Well said.

[peachgirl]

I told her that when it comes to people in authority, they do not have to earn our respect, we give it because of their position of authority to us.

Hmmm...I was taught to respect adults and to respect authority but I was never told that I had to respect someone regardless of whether they were good or bad.

I was also a child then and as an adult, I am able to voice my opinion regardless of the position and standing of others.
I don't consider that the President has authority over me. I kinda' thought he worked for me.

[SplashLover93]

Hmm..I find this sad. My DD once said those words to me RE: an adult she didn't like. I told her that when it comes to people in authority, they do not have to earn our respect, we give it because of their position of authority to us.
i say amen!

[gina2000]

Unfortunately, that concept doesn't work because we VOTE people into power in this country. Their authority is only derived from our decision.

[C.Ann]

I told her that when it comes to people in authority, they do not have to earn our respect, we give it because of their position of authority to us.
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Hitler was in a "position of authority"..

Saddam Hussein was in a "position of authority.."

I could go on and on.. You might want to rethink that bit of wisdom.. Not everyone in a position of authority deserves respect..

[snoopy]

Local, state and Federal government have failed these people. And you have to start at the top as far as blame is concerned. That's the reality...he gets the glory when things go right and he gets the blame when things fall apart. And quite frankly, this tragedy is a travesty in US history. Our reaction time has been abysmal and our communication has been non existant. Haven't we learned anything since 9/11? And if we've learned it, why haven't we implemented it?

As far as not complaining, people are currently dying overseas to promote the very freedoms we cherish. One of them is freedom of speech. I can't imagine living in an America where I cannot use my voice and my vote to express myself. We have fought for that right and will continue to fight for that right with our last breath. Don't disparage it....you may understand how important it is should it ever be gone.

Thanks Gina, you are always the voice of reason. So very well said. ::yes::

Amanda, thanks for the kind words my fearless little buddy. I love your spunk (and your ability to multi-task). :teeth:

Sodaseller, thanks for the giggle the comic strip provided. :teeth:

[KaitlinsMom]

I think there is a difference between being polite/cordial to someone and having respect for someone -

[JimB.]

It's right here

Ummm. Isn't that a comic strip??


Back to the original spirit of this post, right now the country has to go with who we have in office.

The great thing is that if the nation is not satisfied, in 2008, we can fire every freakin' one of 'em.

I WILL say that if the Presdient finds the effort unacceptable, then so do I. He needs to take a hard look at who HE has hired to do these jobs.

But I'll also say that IMHO, the governments of NO & LA have failed their citizens so badly that it cannot be put into words.

[alliecats]

Hmm..I find this sad. My DD once said those words to me RE: an adult she didn't like. I told her that when it comes to people in authority, they do not have to earn our respect, we give it because of their position of authority to us.


And do you NEVER question or critize those who have "positions of authority" to you? If your boss makes a ridiculous or unfair call at work, you just lie down for it?

[FionaLovesShrek]

Hmmm...I was taught to respect adults and to respect authority but I was never told that I had to respect someone regardless of whether they were good or bad.

I was also a child then and as an adult, I am able to voice my opinion regardless of the position and standing of others.
I don't consider that the President has authority over me. I kinda' thought he worked for me.

Whether he is good or bad is subjective. Do you have children? If your child told you they hated their teacher and defamed their teacher continuously, would you encourage their behavior, or try to teach them that they don't have to like the person in authority, and even though they didn't choose that teacher, they still needed to observe the teacher's position of authority in their life and respect that position. And most of all, would you remind them that the teacher would not be their teacher forever?

[gina2000]

If I meet the President, I won't spit in his eye. Promise.

But I will not give up my right to criticise him or his decisions.

[ducklite]

If I meet the President, I won't spit in his eye. Promise.

But I will not give up my right to criticise him or his decisions.

::yes:: ::yes::

Anne

[crcormier]

I have to respond because this thread made me spitting mad.

This is not about Bush Bashing. This is not about partisan politics. This is about leadership. And the failings thereof.

Regardless of his or our political affiliation, this is a major tragedy and has not been handled well.

Let's review: Last Thursday, Hurricaine Katrina struck Florida, dumped 18 inches of rain.

Friday, it headed out towards the gulf where it was feared that it would strengthen again and head for the gulf coast.

Saturday, it was apparent this was going to happen, the mayor of Louisanna ordered an evacuation.

Monday, the hurricaine hits, major devesation, millions without power and hundreds of thousands homeless. Hundreds feared dead.

Tuesday, the levee breaks, flooding starts in New Orleans. Thousands feared dead. The President goes to California to talk about Iraq. Told he needs to cut his vacation short but returns to Crawford for one more night. Chief of Policy is also in Crawford and goes out that night to thank the anti-Sheehan protestors.

Wednesday. Chaos breaks in New Orleans, flooding continues. Bodies are lying out in the open. Food and water running out. President goes back to Washington. Vice-president is still on vacation, his aide says that "he will be returning back to Washington, but we're not sure when." Mayor says suppiles are gone.

Thursday. Widespread looting and rapes in New Orleans. Gunfights break out. President says he will visit the area on Friday. Secretary of State goes to a Broadway show. Mayor begs for help. Oil prices skyrocket in gouging across the country. Senate passes emergency aid at 11PM.

Friday. Tens of thousands feared dead. Mayor states there are likely 50,000 still trapped on rooftops. President finally arrives in New Orleans to tour the area. House to convene to approve aid.

I left names out because to me this is not about who it is or what party they belong to. This is a DISGRACEFUL response. Any other President in my lifetime; Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford or Richard Nixon would have cut their vacation short back when they were told that a CATEGORY 5 hurricaine was about to hit the country.

So no, this is not about political sides, this is not about 'Bush Bashing'. I do not follow the President blindly because HE, AND THE TEAM HE PUTS TOGETHER, WORK FOR US. It is NOT the other way around. He is hired to be our LEADER. And he failed at his job miserably this week. So damned right if I'm going to call MY EMPLOYEE on the carpet for failing at his job, while people are suffering and dying. I will donate whatever I can to assist these people that have been hurt by this tragedy. But these people we hired, OUR EMPLOYEES, to be in charge of things like this, can and SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE, because Democrat or Republican, I don't EVER want to see innocent Americans suffer because our government could not get it together!

[CheshireVal]

Whether he is good or bad is subjective. Do you have children? If your child told you they hated their teacher and defamed their teacher continuously, would you encourage their behavior, or try to teach them that they don't have to like the person in authority, and even though they didn't choose that teacher, they still needed to observe the teacher's position of authority in their life and respect that position. And most of all, would you remind them that the teacher would not be their teacher forever?

I'm not sure that's an accurate analogy. There is a difference between children and adults.

[peachgirl]

Whether he is good or bad is subjective. Do you have children? If your child told you they hated their teacher and defamed their teacher continuously, would you encourage their behavior, or try to teach them that they don't have to like the person in authority, and even though they didn't choose that teacher, they still needed to observe the teacher's position of authority in their life and respect that position. And most of all, would you remind them that the teacher would not be their teacher forever?

Comparing President Bush and the respect I should have for him to the respect a child should have for a teacher makes no sense.

I don't have children, but I am a teacher so if I did have a child who hated a teacher I would find out why. If I thought their reasons were valid, I'd take action. If I thought they weren't, I'd insist that the child behave.

The days of telling children that they must respect adults no matter what the circumstances are long gone.

Then again, I'm not a child and I can evaluate on my own whether or not anyone deserves my respect. In this case, Bush does not. If you think he does, great! You can bow down to him everytime he pops up on television for all I care. Just don't tell me who I should or should not respect.

[ducklite]

I have to respond because this thread made me spitting mad.

This is not about Bush Bashing. This is not about partisan politics. This is about leadership. And the failings thereof.

Regardless of his or our political affiliation, this is a major tragedy and has not been handled well.

Let's review: Last Thursday, Hurricaine Katrina struck Florida, dumped 18 inches of rain.

Friday, it headed out towards the gulf where it was feared that it would strengthen again and head for the gulf coast.

Saturday, it was apparent this was going to happen, the mayor of Louisanna ordered an evacuation.

Monday, the hurricaine hits, major devesation, millions without power and hundreds of thousands homeless. Hundreds feared dead.

Tuesday, the levee breaks, flooding starts in New Orleans. Thousands feared dead. The President goes to California to talk about Iraq. Told he needs to cut his vacation short but returns to Crawford for one more night. Chief of Policy is also in Crawford and goes out that night to thank the anti-Sheehan protestors.

Wednesday. Chaos breaks in New Orleans, flooding continues. Bodies are lying out in the open. Food and water running out. President goes back to Washington. Vice-president is still on vacation, his aide says that "he will be returning back to Washington, but we're not sure when." Mayor says suppiles are gone.

Thursday. Widespread looting and rapes in New Orleans. Gunfights break out. President says he will visit the area on Friday. Secretary of State goes to a Broadway show. Mayor begs for help. Oil prices skyrocket in gouging across the country. Senate passes emergency aid at 11PM.

Friday. Tens of thousands feared dead. Mayor states there are likely 50,000 still trapped on rooftops. President finally arrives in New Orleans to tour the area. House to convene to approve aid.

I left names out because to me this is not about who it is or what party they belong to. This is a DISGRACEFUL response. Any other President in my lifetime; Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford or Richard Nixon would have cut their vacation short back when they were told that a CATEGORY 5 hurricaine was about to hit the country.

So no, this is not about political sides, this is not about 'Bush Bashing'. I do not follow the President blindly because HE WORKS FOR US. It is NOT the other way around. He is hired to be our LEADER. And he failed at his job miserably this week. So damned right if I'm going to call MY EMPLOYEE on the carpet for failing at his job, while people are suffering and dying. I will donate whatever I can to assist these people that have been hurt by this tragedy. But the man we hired, OUR EMPLOYEE, to be in charge of things like this, can and SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE, because Democrat or Republican, I don't EVER want to see innocent Americans suffer because our government could not get it together!

That is one of the most intelligent, well spoken, logical posts I have ever read on the DIS. You have put into the words the sentiments that I have been feeling for the past week. I'm grateful to you.

Anne

[C.Ann]

I have to respond because this thread made me spitting mad.

So no, this is not about political sides, this is not about 'Bush Bashing'. I do not follow the President blindly because HE, AND THE TEAM HE PUTS TOGETHER, WORK FOR US. It is NOT the other way around. He is hired to be our LEADER. And he failed at his job miserably this week. So damned right if I'm going to call MY EMPLOYEE on the carpet for failing at his job, while people are suffering and dying. I will donate whatever I can to assist these people that have been hurt by this tragedy. But these people we hired, OUR EMPLOYEES, to be in charge of things like this, can and SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE, because Democrat or Republican, I don't EVER want to see innocent Americans suffer because our government could not get it together!
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Excellent post!!!

[septbride2002]

Hmm..I find this sad. My DD once said those words to me RE: an adult she didn't like. I told her that when it comes to people in authority, they do not have to earn our respect, we give it because of their position of authority to us.


Um, yea. I'm sorry but I'll teach my children that respect is earned. I would also be afraid that telling a child to respect authority would lead to problems down the road should a dangerous person ever get around your child.

I tell my boss when I think something is unethical.
I tell my mother when I think she is being ridiculous.
I tell my brother to get off his butt and get a better job.

I respect all these people - but I don't lie down when I know something is wrong.

Respect is earned. No one has the authority to tell me otherwise.

~Amanda

[Christine]

I have to respond because this thread made me spitting mad.

This is not about Bush Bashing. This is not about partisan politics. This is about leadership. And the failings thereof.

Regardless of his or our political affiliation, this is a major tragedy and has not been handled well.

Let's review: Last Thursday, Hurricaine Katrina struck Florida, dumped 18 inches of rain.

Friday, it headed out towards the gulf where it was feared that it would strengthen again and head for the gulf coast.

Saturday, it was apparent this was going to happen, the mayor of Louisanna ordered an evacuation.

Monday, the hurricaine hits, major devesation, millions without power and hundreds of thousands homeless. Hundreds feared dead.

Tuesday, the levee breaks, flooding starts in New Orleans. Thousands feared dead. The President goes to California to talk about Iraq. Told he needs to cut his vacation short but returns to Crawford for one more night. Chief of Policy is also in Crawford and goes out that night to thank the anti-Sheehan protestors.

Wednesday. Chaos breaks in New Orleans, flooding continues. Bodies are lying out in the open. Food and water running out. President goes back to Washington. Vice-president is still on vacation, his aide says that "he will be returning back to Washington, but we're not sure when." Mayor says suppiles are gone.

Thursday. Widespread looting and rapes in New Orleans. Gunfights break out. President says he will visit the area on Friday. Secretary of State goes to a Broadway show. Mayor begs for help. Oil prices skyrocket in gouging across the country. Senate passes emergency aid at 11PM.

Friday. Tens of thousands feared dead. Mayor states there are likely 50,000 still trapped on rooftops. President finally arrives in New Orleans to tour the area. House to convene to approve aid.

I left names out because to me this is not about who it is or what party they belong to. This is a DISGRACEFUL response. Any other President in my lifetime; Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford or Richard Nixon would have cut their vacation short back when they were told that a CATEGORY 5 hurricaine was about to hit the country.

So no, this is not about political sides, this is not about 'Bush Bashing'. I do not follow the President blindly because HE, AND THE TEAM HE PUTS TOGETHER, WORK FOR US. It is NOT the other way around. He is hired to be our LEADER. And he failed at his job miserably this week. So damned right if I'm going to call MY EMPLOYEE on the carpet for failing at his job, while people are suffering and dying. I will donate whatever I can to assist these people that have been hurt by this tragedy. But these people we hired, OUR EMPLOYEES, to be in charge of things like this, can and SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE, because Democrat or Republican, I don't EVER want to see innocent Americans suffer because our government could not get it together!

Couldn't have said it better myself. This is not about "Bush Bashing" because I am certainly no Democrat. This is about poor leadership in this incident.

[eclectics]

I have to respond because this thread made me spitting mad.

This is not about Bush Bashing. This is not about partisan politics. This is about leadership. And the failings thereof.

Regardless of his or our political affiliation, this is a major tragedy and has not been handled well.

Let's review: Last Thursday, Hurricaine Katrina struck Florida, dumped 18 inches of rain.

Friday, it headed out towards the gulf where it was feared that it would strengthen again and head for the gulf coast.

Saturday, it was apparent this was going to happen, the mayor of Louisanna ordered an evacuation.

Monday, the hurricaine hits, major devesation, millions without power and hundreds of thousands homeless. Hundreds feared dead.

Tuesday, the levee breaks, flooding starts in New Orleans. Thousands feared dead. The President goes to California to talk about Iraq. Told he needs to cut his vacation short but returns to Crawford for one more night. Chief of Policy is also in Crawford and goes out that night to thank the anti-Sheehan protestors.

Wednesday. Chaos breaks in New Orleans, flooding continues. Bodies are lying out in the open. Food and water running out. President goes back to Washington. Vice-president is still on vacation, his aide says that "he will be returning back to Washington, but we're not sure when." Mayor says suppiles are gone.

Thursday. Widespread looting and rapes in New Orleans. Gunfights break out. President says he will visit the area on Friday. Secretary of State goes to a Broadway show. Mayor begs for help. Oil prices skyrocket in gouging across the country. Senate passes emergency aid at 11PM.

Friday. Tens of thousands feared dead. Mayor states there are likely 50,000 still trapped on rooftops. President finally arrives in New Orleans to tour the area. House to convene to approve aid.

I left names out because to me this is not about who it is or what party they belong to. This is a DISGRACEFUL response. Any other President in my lifetime; Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford or Richard Nixon would have cut their vacation short back when they were told that a CATEGORY 5 hurricaine was about to hit the country.

So no, this is not about political sides, this is not about 'Bush Bashing'. I do not follow the President blindly because HE, AND THE TEAM HE PUTS TOGETHER, WORK FOR US. It is NOT the other way around. He is hired to be our LEADER. And he failed at his job miserably this week. So damned right if I'm going to call MY EMPLOYEE on the carpet for failing at his job, while people are suffering and dying. I will donate whatever I can to assist these people that have been hurt by this tragedy. But these people we hired, OUR EMPLOYEES, to be in charge of things like this, can and SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE, because Democrat or Republican, I don't EVER want to see innocent Americans suffer because our government could not get it together!

Excellent Post... Thank you

[Feralpeg]

I have to respond because this thread made me spitting mad.

This is not about Bush Bashing. This is not about partisan politics. This is about leadership. And the failings thereof.

Regardless of his or our political affiliation, this is a major tragedy and has not been handled well.

Let's review: Last Thursday, Hurricaine Katrina struck Florida, dumped 18 inches of rain.

Friday, it headed out towards the gulf where it was feared that it would strengthen again and head for the gulf coast.

Saturday, it was apparent this was going to happen, the mayor of Louisanna ordered an evacuation.

Monday, the hurricaine hits, major devesation, millions without power and hundreds of thousands homeless. Hundreds feared dead.

Tuesday, the levee breaks, flooding starts in New Orleans. Thousands feared dead. The President goes to California to talk about Iraq. Told he needs to cut his vacation short but returns to Crawford for one more night. Chief of Policy is also in Crawford and goes out that night to thank the anti-Sheehan protestors.

Wednesday. Chaos breaks in New Orleans, flooding continues. Bodies are lying out in the open. Food and water running out. President goes back to Washington. Vice-president is still on vacation, his aide says that "he will be returning back to Washington, but we're not sure when." Mayor says suppiles are gone.

Thursday. Widespread looting and rapes in New Orleans. Gunfights break out. President says he will visit the area on Friday. Secretary of State goes to a Broadway show. Mayor begs for help. Oil prices skyrocket in gouging across the country. Senate passes emergency aid at 11PM.

Friday. Tens of thousands feared dead. Mayor states there are likely 50,000 still trapped on rooftops. President finally arrives in New Orleans to tour the area. House to convene to approve aid.

I left names out because to me this is not about who it is or what party they belong to. This is a DISGRACEFUL response. Any other President in my lifetime; Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford or Richard Nixon would have cut their vacation short back when they were told that a CATEGORY 5 hurricaine was about to hit the country.

So no, this is not about political sides, this is not about 'Bush Bashing'. I do not follow the President blindly because HE, AND THE TEAM HE PUTS TOGETHER, WORK FOR US. It is NOT the other way around. He is hired to be our LEADER. And he failed at his job miserably this week. So damned right if I'm going to call MY EMPLOYEE on the carpet for failing at his job, while people are suffering and dying. I will donate whatever I can to assist these people that have been hurt by this tragedy. But these people we hired, OUR EMPLOYEES, to be in charge of things like this, can and SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE, because Democrat or Republican, I don't EVER want to see innocent Americans suffer because our government could not get it together!

Thank you for stating what some many of are thinking!

[Albertan mom]

Hear it is, respect the govenment

Romans 13

1-Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2-Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God is institiuted, and those who do so will bring judgement on themselves.

5-Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishmentbut also because of your conscience.



The govenment tries to do what is right, but the people stil rebel...

2 Chronicles 27:2--He did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, just as his father Uzziah has done, but unlike him, he did not enter the temple of the Lord. The people however, continued their corrupt practices.


This is what you should be doing for Bush. Praying for him and the decisions he has to make--not slamming him.

1 Timothy 2--I urge then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone- for Kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.


No, there is not going to be peace right now, but it will come.

[hrh_disney_queen]

Tell you what--you like him so much, you can have him.

Anne

:rotfl2: .............................:guilty:............. ............... :sad:

[CheshireVal]

Hear it is, respect the govenment

Romans 13

1-Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2-Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God is institiuted, and those who do so will bring judgement on themselves.

5-Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishmentbut also because of your conscience.



The govenment tries to do what is right, but the people stil rebel...

2 Chronicles 27:2--He did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, just as his father Uzziah has done, but unlike him, he did not enter the temple of the Lord. The people however, continued their corrupt practices.


This is what you should be doing for Bush. Praying for him and the decisions he has to make--not slamming him.

1 Timothy 2--I urge then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone- for Kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.


No, there is not going to be peace right now, but it will come.


I think there's a big difference in submitting to authorities and having to actually respect them.

I'm not a big-time rebel in that I go out and break the law. I follow the law and, therefore, submit to authority (including Bush. Ew.)

But that doesn't mean that I have to respect him.

And the final two quotations don't seem to have much to do with anything. :confused3

[Feralpeg]

Hear it is, respect the govenment

Romans 13

1-Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2-Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God is institiuted, and those who do so will bring judgement on themselves.

5-Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishmentbut also because of your conscience.



The govenment tries to do what is right, but the people stil rebel...

2 Chronicles 27:2--He did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, just as his father Uzziah has done, but unlike him, he did not enter the temple of the Lord. The people however, continued their corrupt practices.


This is what you should be doing for Bush. Praying for him and the decisions he has to make--not slamming him.

1 Timothy 2--I urge then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone- for Kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.


No, there is not going to be peace right now, but it will come.

Do you have any scriptures that will comfort those poor people waiting for food and water at the moment? Good grief!

[TeresaNJ]

Americans need to support their leader. Like it or not.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I know you don't want to hear this. But you need to quit complaining and slamming Bush, and do what you can to help.

He is not responsible for the hurricane. He is not responsible for the creeps that are looting. He is not responsible for the people that didn't evacuate and died. He is doing all he can. He is bringing in troops, military, police. Canadian troops have been called in.

He is one man. But he is not the only man in the government.
You need to support him. Whether you voted for him or not. Whether you like him as a person or not.

America pulled together after 9-11. You need to pull together now. Sitting on the computer all day slamming Bush isn't helping anybody in New Orleans.

When I see him on the news, he is working his butt off. Have compassion for the man. He is doing the best he can. His heart is breaking just as yours is.
I can guarantee he didn't get any sleep the last few nights, and is working 24 hours a day to address the problems. He has a huge job on his shoulders, and needs your support. Not your criticism.

You think you could do better? You think you would have all the answers? Then get out there and do something about it. But slamming your leader...isn't helping anybody. You are just causing division, bitterness and hurt. Use the efforts it takes to be miserable, and help. Give money. Give blood. Have a fundraiser. Volunteer. Do what you can.

Thank you. I couldn't have said it better myself.

[lenshanem]

I have no faith in that man and never will. None of this has surprised me. Giving speeches like - They are resilient and will rebuild great communities is not what they wanted to hear at that moment. They wanted to hear - I'm sending food and water NOW. It is very heart breaking. I will be rejoicing when his term is over.

[alliecats]

Hear it is, respect the govenment

[B]Romans 13

1-Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2-Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God is institiuted, and those who do so will bring judgement on themselves.



Going by this, then Saddam Hussein was put in authority by God!! And we went over there and booted him!
Uh oh, we're in troubbbbbbbbbbbble!

[LukenDC]

AlbertanMom, I believe that a democratic society requires that its citizens hold leaders accountable for their actions. While you may not agree with deomcracy, it is the foundation for the American government. We should not blindly follow our leaders in a show of national unity. Bush has spent the past four years touting his record on disaster preparedness and the creation of the Department of Homeland Security. His administration's slow and unsteady response to the hurricaine has been appalling.

Of course Bush did not create the hurricaine nor did he break the levees or arm the thugs. But his administration should have been prepared for an urban disaster given the focus and spending on disaster preparedness. Hopefully the public outcry is creating an incentive for the administration to get its act together.

[barbeml]

I have to respond because this thread made me spitting mad.

This is not about Bush Bashing. This is not about partisan politics. This is about leadership. And the failings thereof.

Regardless of his or our political affiliation, this is a major tragedy and has not been handled well.

Let's review: Last Thursday, Hurricaine Katrina struck Florida, dumped 18 inches of rain.

Friday, it headed out towards the gulf where it was feared that it would strengthen again and head for the gulf coast.

Saturday, it was apparent this was going to happen, the mayor of Louisanna ordered an evacuation.

Monday, the hurricaine hits, major devesation, millions without power and hundreds of thousands homeless. Hundreds feared dead.

Tuesday, the levee breaks, flooding starts in New Orleans. Thousands feared dead. The President goes to California to talk about Iraq. Told he needs to cut his vacation short but returns to Crawford for one more night. Chief of Policy is also in Crawford and goes out that night to thank the anti-Sheehan protestors.

Wednesday. Chaos breaks in New Orleans, flooding continues. Bodies are lying out in the open. Food and water running out. President goes back to Washington. Vice-president is still on vacation, his aide says that "he will be returning back to Washington, but we're not sure when." Mayor says suppiles are gone.

Thursday. Widespread looting and rapes in New Orleans. Gunfights break out. President says he will visit the area on Friday. Secretary of State goes to a Broadway show. Mayor begs for help. Oil prices skyrocket in gouging across the country. Senate passes emergency aid at 11PM.

Friday. Tens of thousands feared dead. Mayor states there are likely 50,000 still trapped on rooftops. President finally arrives in New Orleans to tour the area. House to convene to approve aid.

I left names out because to me this is not about who it is or what party they belong to. This is a DISGRACEFUL response. Any other President in my lifetime; Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford or Richard Nixon would have cut their vacation short back when they were told that a CATEGORY 5 hurricaine was about to hit the country.

So no, this is not about political sides, this is not about 'Bush Bashing'. I do not follow the President blindly because HE, AND THE TEAM HE PUTS TOGETHER, WORK FOR US. It is NOT the other way around. He is hired to be our LEADER. And he failed at his job miserably this week. So damned right if I'm going to call MY EMPLOYEE on the carpet for failing at his job, while people are suffering and dying. I will donate whatever I can to assist these people that have been hurt by this tragedy. But these people we hired, OUR EMPLOYEES, to be in charge of things like this, can and SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE, because Democrat or Republican, I don't EVER want to see innocent Americans suffer because our government could not get it together!

Brilliant. Thank you.

[CheshireVal]

Going by this, then Saddam Hussein was put in authority by God!! And we went over there and booted him!
Uh oh, we're in troubbbbbbbbbbbble!


Oooooh, excellent point.

[tar heel]

I can't believe the scriptures that have been posted here. I'm speechless when the gay bashers use Leviticus, but these absolutely take the cake.

If God has established all authorities and the citizens are to submit to them, then I guess God's pretty upset that his man Saddam's not in power in Iraq anymore, right?

[tar heel]

Looks like allicats and I were posting at the same time. Great minds think alike!

[CheshireVal]

I think those scriptures were probably taken way out of context, anyway.

[Maleficent13]

I see you have been tooting your own horn here for several days. Time to get off the seat and get out there, methinks. I'm sure the people of Louisiana would just snap you up.

Okay, I read the thread and this is the quote that made me spit! It was said in regards to ducklite, and FWIW, I know she is the reason I made a donation so expediently. I would have donated anyway, but her information and links helped me immensely, and I would imagine a lot of other people too. This was a rude and despicable statement.

In regards to the topic, well, snoopy and crcormier and Amanda have said it all so much more eloquently than me, so I'll let their statements speak for me.

[septbride2002]

Hear it is, respect the govenment

Romans 13

1-Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2-Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God is institiuted, and those who do so will bring judgement on themselves.

5-Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishmentbut also because of your conscience.



The govenment tries to do what is right, but the people stil rebel...

2 Chronicles 27:2--He did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, just as his father Uzziah has done, but unlike him, he did not enter the temple of the Lord. The people however, continued their corrupt practices.


This is what you should be doing for Bush. Praying for him and the decisions he has to make--not slamming him.

1 Timothy 2--I urge then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone- for Kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.


No, there is not going to be peace right now, but it will come.

If we stood by what your saying then the American Revolution never would have happened. :rolleyes:

~Amanda

[Albertan mom]

Someone a few pages back said that God said to respect your leaders
Someone else said "ya right, show me that text"
I did.
Thats it.

Take it or leave it. I just wanted to show it to those people that were wondering. I knew that 85% of you wouldn't want to hear it, or care about what the bible says.

I put it there for the others.

Trust me, I feel for those in need. It breaks my heart. All I wanted to say in the original post is that it is breaking the Presidents heart too. Have compassion for a man with a very tough job. He needs the support of Americans right now.

[FionaLovesShrek]

I never said we needed to follow the President blindly. I said we support the Presidential position. There is one man that fills that position. Part of his job is to take blame. His is the face we look for when we get angry over things that we feel are wrong. There are actually many faces we never see that put things in motion where our government is concerned. And anyone who works in government knows that from one mandate to seeing the fruition of the order takes way too much time because of the channels it goes through for processing. But this thread was started by someone from another country who cannot understand why we Americans are not supportive of our President during a time of disaster. The responses to this thread are so disappointing in light of what the people who have lost everything are going through. I am working in a hospital designated as a disaster relief hospital. This isn't about the President. Can we support the efforts being made to rescue these people? The gangs on the ground in NO are hindering the efforts. One of my co-workers has a good friend who is an EMT. The EMT was sent in with an ambulance yesterday to pull out injured evacuees. The ambulance was taken over by gang members with guns. The EMT asked the gang members if they were going to take the ambulance, if they would at least take the injured to the medical drop off. The EMT was shot in the head and died at the scene. So many people who are in need, and we debate about the President?

[saucymb]

What I find so concerning is that people who have grievences with our government and leaders choose not to express those grievences in a manner that is respectful of not necessarily those leaders, but their fellow citizens who have differing points of view. Of course we should keep on top of the current issues, and voice our opinions. But what I don't understand is how someone who has a different point of view than I have will spout out hateful things regarding the issues or the person, then follow up saying that if I don't agree then I must be ignorant and uninformed. Do they really think that is going to make people change their minds or positions?

My point is, I find it difficult to take someone seriously who is saying radical things regarding our leaders or issues. I will take you much more seriously when you respectfully express your dissent. Not just respect regarding the thought, but respect regarding the people to whom disagree with you. This goes both ways.

It is possible to express dissent and question our leaders with a spirit of helpfulness and hope, though you wouldn't believe it to read most of the posts I've read on here in the past three days. I've never heard of anyone's mind being changed after being bombarded with insults regarding their beliefs.

Thanks, Albertan Mom to bring these issues up.

[Aidensmom]

Can we support the efforts being made to rescue these people? The gangs on the ground in NO are hindering the efforts. One of my co-workers has a good friend who is an EMT. The EMT was sent in with an ambulance yesterday to pull out injured evacuees. The ambulance was taken over by gang members with guns. The EMT asked the gang members if they were going to take the ambulance, if they would at least take the injured to the medical drop off. The EMT was shot in the head and died at the scene. So many people who are in need, and we debate about the President?

That is so sad.

[swilphil]

Tell you what--you like him so much, you can have him.

Anne

:rotfl2: That about sums it up.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Sometimes--it takes a few citizens to speak up for the rights of those who aren't being listened to.

[swilphil]

Whether he is good or bad is subjective. Do you have children? If your child told you they hated their teacher and defamed their teacher continuously, would you encourage their behavior, or try to teach them that they don't have to like the person in authority, and even though they didn't choose that teacher, they still needed to observe the teacher's position of authority in their life an